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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:29:21 -0500
Subject: [mayday] ``GMM 2005 #16: Cordoba, Ljubljana, Zagreb Make 152 Cities on
Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 152 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAmsterdamAntwerpAshevilleAthabascaAthensAtlantaAucklandBskersfieldBaselBermudaBernBiel/BienneBergenBerlinBirminghamBooneBoulderBristolBudapestBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownCheltenhamChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiClevelandColorado SpringsColumbiaColumbusCordobaDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEau ClaireEugeneFayettevilleFlintFotalezaFrankfurtFt. SmithGenevaGrass ValleyHachitaHalifaxHartfordHiloHoustonHullJerusalemKansas CityKristiansandLausanneLeipzigLethbridgeLexingtonLjubljanaLondonLos AngelesLuganoLyonMadridMexico CityMinneapolisMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew OrleansNew PaltzNew YorkNicosia/ LefkosiaNimbinOgdenOrlandoOsakaOsloOuluPaiaParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPortlandPorto AlegrePotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRecifeRenoRichmondRineyvilleRio de JaneiroRoanokeRomeRosarioRostockSacramentoSalemSan AntonioSan FranciscoSan MarcosSanta BarbaraSanta CruzSapporoSarasotaSavannahSionSpokaneStavangerStevens PointSt. GallenSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaTampereTel AvivThunder BayToledoTokyoTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloTurkuTwin OaksUpper LakeVancouverViennaVisaliaWaikikiWarsawWashington, D.C.Wilkes-BarreWilmingtonWinonaWinterthurZagrebZürichThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current-------------------------
Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers for 2004 and 2005 MMM. Adapt for your needs! Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2004flyers
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2005flyers
Or go to this other big MMM photo gallery. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"
and then "Banners Posters Handbills"Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
handbills were converted from PDF files to the gif and jpg
images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.htmlhttp://www.irfanview.com - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they usefar fewer kilobytes compared to the 640x480 and 800x600 jpg
versions of the same image. JPG image files are mainly for
photos and images with lots of color gradation. GIF image
files are much better for flyers and banners. IrfanView can
easily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.
These flyer and banner images were found elsewhere in the
photo gallery, and by following links on the MMM 2004 city
list pages, report pages, image pages, etc.. Flyers and
banners for other MMM years can be found through the first
link below: MMM images:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmmimages.htm
2004 city list:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004.htm
2004 reports:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004rep.htm*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****From: matej.jankovic@...Hello!I'm very glad that you are contacting us! Indeed we'll have our 4th March on7th May in the centre of Ljubljana. The information you have is all correct.
In case you would like to contact me personally, I am (Matej J., organizer ofMMM) allways available on the mobile phone (+386 31 618 112).http://www.slo-mmm.org/ the official home page.http://www.sou-lj.si/ is page of the Student Organization ofUniversity of Ljubljana.matej.jankovic@... is the contact person for the MMM (Matej Jankovic)http://www.sou-lj.si/novica/?leto=2005&id=36 phone: + 386 1 43 80 200- operator)The postal adress:
SOU Ljubljana
Prohibicija slepi (name of the project, meaning Prohibition blinds)
Kersnikova 4
1000 LjubljanaSlovenia
I will be getting into contact with the Croatians within a few days. I'll sendthe contact information as soon as I get it.
Best regards,
Matej------From: schmoontherun@...Hi eco man, thanks very much for the message. It was a
real drag when the sites went down - due to the fact
the 'greens' took over the festival and stole all the
money and would not pay the server bills because they
did not want an independent cannabis movement. I was
personally left thousands in debt and have only just
managed to recover enough to get back online.
Unfortunately dana seems to be in love with the greens
- a big mistake on his part. This year they attempted
to abandon the global event and only failed because
the local council would not give them a date later in
the summer.
I am currently trying to put all the photos back up as
an archive and have re started 'schmoo'. Contributions
of all types of material (not just weed related)
welcome!
When I get the pictures together properly - over the
next few weeks - I will also upload at least some if
not all (have to get permissions in some cases) onto
your site which I will be linking on the archive and
on 'schmoo' in all the appropriate places.
You might also be interested in the 'Medical Cannabis
Users Guide' on schmoo.
Best wishes and thanks, chris www.schmoo.co.uk--- eco man <tents444@...> wrote:Hello Chris,I saw your email in Dana's latest MMM compilation.It had links to some pages with London MMMhistory and current news. Such as:http://www.schmoo.co.uk andhttp://www.schmoo.co.uk/cannabis/ andhttp://www.schmoo.co.uk/cannabis/cfestival05.htmI remember when the sites went down and a lot ofgreat color MMM London photos disappeared.If you still have any color London MMM photo,posters, flyers, banners, etc. please upload them tothe MMM photo gallery I am facilitating:http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmmAnybody can upload images to this folder:http://gallery.marihemp.com/uploadmmmregards,eco man------From: farmacon@...Hi,
I write from Córdoba, an Argentinean city. We are organizing the first edition
of the MMM here, and maybe you may include us in the world cities list.
Local contact data are:Christian Gebauer - farmacon@... - +54 (3541) 4232358
Hasta la vistaChristian-----------From: fjhc@...
Saturday May 7th, 2005
Million Marijuana March - Washington DCRally 12:00 Noon Lafeyette Park (North side of the White House). March 1:00pm from Lafeytte Park up 16th Street NW to Meridian Hill Park. Concert 2:00pm-6-:00pm at Meridian Hill Park
Sponored by the Fourth of July Hemp Coalition, organizers of the 35th ANNIVERSARY SMOKE-IN
ContactJohn P. Pylka - Event Coordinator Fourth Of July Hemp Coalition
POB 5513 Washington DC 20016
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New Listing by Phone--Toronto: org name: the Green Directory email: GMM2005@... Nieve or Frank: 416-915-1881website: http://www.cannabisclub.ca---------------------------
From: zharris428@...Win-the-War.com announces statewide petition drive to place regulating cannabis on the ballotWith three presidents now having evidence against them of cannabis use plus one president who advocated decriminalization, it seems appropriate to announce our campaign to collect the necessary 317,000 signatures to place the issue of regulating cannabis on the Michigan ballot.With the recent release of tapes suggesting President Bush didn't want to admit to marijuana use so as not to encourage kids, it seemed his worse fears came true when two second graders were subsequently caught with marijuana at school. Perhaps one child was showing his friend what the President was talking about.With Bush's hypocritical stance that the law shouldn't apply to him, but should be applied full force to the 700,000 American citizens who broke no other law other than cannabis possession, it's essential that politicians face the fact their war on marijuana has made it incredibly easy for kids to get. We should all agree that the younger a child tries marijuana the more likely he is to get into trouble.The referendum we propose relies on the right of Michigan to regulate intrastate commerce and to label and certify cannabis products grown in Michigan for distribution within Michigan. The language of this petition has involved several attorneys affiliated with NORML (the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws), and was written by Neal Bush who authored last years' successful Detroit and Ann Arbor medical marijuana initiatives.A three-phase approach to this campaign has been developed. We're in the fund raising phase which will continue thru the duration of the campaign. From April 2nd 2005 until September 28, 2005 we'll be collecting the requisite signatures. And if successful, from October 2005 to November 2006 we'll be bringing the campaign to the people for their support.We're building this campaign from a base of a few hundred volunteers and anticipate reaching a few thousand over the next several months. We've developed a concise message that focuses on: the near destruction of hard drugs, reduction in crime, protection of kids, savings of billions and promotion of liberty.Our literature also focuses on the top concerns of voters: encouraging marijuana use, the message it sends our kids and public safety issues such as traffic accidents. These issues are defined in detail on our website for voters who would like more information. The lessons of Prohibition and the 25 year experience with the Netherlands permitting cannabis use, as well as the best science, can cut thru the hysteria of the drug-free crowd if presented honestly and truthfully.In 1969, only 3 percent of America supported regulation; after 35 years and billions spent, polls regularly show a growing trend now approaching 45 percent approval. Michigan has a long history of supporting liberty as well as a conservative bent against government waste and interference. We are confident that Michigan will ultimately support regulating cannabis as the rational approach to winning the war on drugs. Supporters of cannabis reform can sign up at our website www.win-the-war.com or leave a message at (586) 997-7108.
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Colorado Daily
March 17, 2005
http://www.coloradodaily.com/
Green Scene
A proposed student referendum might make CU more pot-friendly
'It's green Prozac'
By STEPHANIE OLSEN Colorado Daily Staff Writer
Stoners rejoice. Having the munchies may not carry such harsh consequences
at CU-Boulder if some students have their say.
"The students are fed up with a system that penalizes them for making the
safer choice," said Vanessa Cisneros, a sophomore at CU. "The potentially
harmful consequences of using alcohol far exceed those of marijuana."
Cisneros supports a referendum that would change the marijuana policy on
the CU campus.
A Boulder-based non-profit organization called "Safer Alternative For
Enjoyable Recreation (SAFER)," a group dedicated to raising awareness
about the harmful consequences of alcohol as related to marijuana, is
helping the students at CU go through the process of passing the
referendum.
Additionally, Cisneros wants to start a student chapter of SAFER at CU.
"The students are looking to try to do something on campus because they
wanted to change penalties because they didn't think it was fair given the
harm of alcohol," said Mason Tvert, the executive director of SAFER. "We
are here to advise them and help them get a referendum passed that we felt
would make the biggest impact."
The student referendum calls for the University to acknowledge marijuana
as a comparatively safer alternative to alcohol and requests that CU treat
the drug as such when giving out punishments to students, according to a
press release sent to the Colorado Daily by SAFER on Wednesday.
"Given that alcohol kills people and creates a number of student problems
on campus, including sexual assault, fighting, property damage, all these
different issues," said Tvert, "it doesn't really make for good public
policy for a university to essentially be telling students they're going
to get in less trouble for something that causes more hurt."
Tvert said that the referendum has nothing to do with the criminal
penalties associated with marijuana or the law.
"We're talking about what the university is worried about," said Tvert.
"Should the university worry more about their policies following
side-by-side with the law, which it doesn't have to, or are they more
worried about producing the most safe and healthy student body possible?"
Jeff Christen-Mitchell, the president of the National Organization for the
Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), a non-profit public interest advocacy
group, supports a move to eliminate penalties for student use of marijuana
on CU's campus.
"Colorado is a very progressive state and it would be appropriate for some
sort of intelligent progress," said Christen-Mitchell. "Alcohol is a
dangerous drug, while marijuana is not."
Christen-Mitchell said he views marijuana use as medicinal, especially
with the high stress of education and life in general, and also as a much
safer alternative to alcohol for students.
"I don't advocate or encourage use or abuse of anything by anyone, just
for students it might be nicer if they had an alternative," he said.
Jessica Bralish, the director of public relations for the University of
Colorado Student Union (UCSU), said if the referendum passes it will not
prompt any action. Rather, it will be a statement to the administration
demonstrating what the students want to see happen with marijuana policy.
"I don't know the official UCSU stance on it," said Bralish, "but from my
perspective it seems like we'd be conflicting with the state's policy."
She said the referendum will send a message counter to the university's
policy, but it is a blurry line because the university is a state
institution.
"Let's see what the students think and then we can act accordingly," said
Bralish.
Currently, CU students and SAFER are working to get the 1,000 signatures
needed to get the referendum on the ballot. If successful, the referendum
will be voted on during the coming spring election.
According to Bralish, 10 percent of the entire CU student population mustvote in favor of the referendum to pass and be presented to the
administration.
"There has never been a case of fatal marijuana overdose in history," said
Cisneros. "How many more students need to drink themselves to death before
our colleges turn to safer, more sensible alcohol and marijuana policies?"
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For more information, contact:
SAFER
P.O. Box 1852
Boulder, CO 80306-1852
(720) 275-8230http://www.saferchoice.org/---------------------------------------------------
Please forward widely! Million Marijuana March. MMM.The MMM 2005 city links are always clickable at these mirrors below.
MMM world map with many more links. Frequently updated:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005map.htm andhttp://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005map.htm andhttp://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.Worldwide.
With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's9 million prisoners!:http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm
MMM (Million Marijuana March).City list and world map:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htmYahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction*************************BUSHWHACKED!!****************************From: jvsilverman@...Dana:
Even the Bush Administration and the PDFA are now
unable to ignore the consequences of our chosen
Substance Abuse Policies, the very opposite of harm
reduction!
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=inhalants+&btnG=Search+News
By basing our substance abuse education around lying
about pot and measuring success by what percentage of
kids think any use of it is "Very Dangerous" we have
continued to make them fail to attain proper
perspective about the importance of choices that
actually are "Very Dangerous" by comparison, includingbut not limited to Inhalants, Hard Drugs (including
alcohol), Tobacco, Junk Food, Prescription Drugs,
Unsafe Sex, Dangerous Driving and Extreme Sports.
"Just Say No!" hasn't worked well with sex either:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050319/SEX19/TPHealth/
Admidst War, ongoing "epidemics" of dangerous drug
use, AIDS and Obesity, out-of-control prescription of
pyschiatric meds to children, etc. our message has
been a consistent "Repeat After Me: Marijuana is Very
Dangerous!" Our chickens are now coming home to
roost.
By marginalizing or even criminalizing those that
which to preach Secondary Prevention to young people
who have tried marijuana more than once--the very
message that often comes out quite clearly at Million
Marijuana March/Global March for Cannabis Liberation
Events, they are acting as the equivalent of those who
want to arrest those who preach Monogamy, Condoms or
even Masturbation to currently sexually active teens.
Joycelen Elders got fired for supporting medical
marijuana, and the excuse they used was that she told
kids "no, masturbation doesn't cause AIDS."
By repressing the speech of those who wish to simply
state "It is great to grow up 'drug-free' but
marijuana is safer and less harmful than many, many
actually quite dangerous things you and your friends
decide whether or not to every day." our Nation has
followed a consistent policy of "Harm Maximization".
It worked quite well, congratulations! Can we please
have our right to Free Speech back now?
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http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031505WC.shtmlScientists Prove Less Trees, Less Rain
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031405EB.shtmlACLU Report: US Drug Laws Harm Women
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031805WA.shtmlAIDS Advocates Score Major Victory in US Senate
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031805HC.shtmlStudy: More Young Teens Use Inhalants
http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/031805HA.shtml
Venezuelans Train to Repel US Invasionhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031805M.shtml
Norman Solomon | Why Iraq Withdrawal Makes Sensehttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031805Z.shtml
Greg Palast | Secret US Plans for Iraq's Oilhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031705A.shtmlFrom: Scoonman2@...Click here: tomflocco.com - Photographer tied to WH child sex-ring arrested after Thompson suicide http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=107&mode=&order=0&thold=0I am meeting with some others regarding the hartford mmm this year . I hope we get something going ...!!-------------------------From: revtombrown@...Greetings in the name of the most high, Jah Rastafari, ever faithful, ever sure, Jah Rastafari.
One Love Brethren.
Greetings my Brother Bill McPike.
First of all, I see from your book that you were part of the petition drive in 1971 there in California. I was also. I was selling door to door, incesnse, pipes, cigarette papers, comic books and herbs, there in San Francisco from my drug discharge from US Navy in September 1969 thru 1975 when I went to Alaska. I was purchaseing from a large distributor that had the mansion on the south side of the Market Street tunnel just past Castro. Before he moved there, he was in a house in between Valencia and Mission between 20th and 26th somewhere, and I attended a meeting of the principles that put the petiton together. I registered voters and got signatures on the petition and there are some interesting stories about that too.
Second, that was a rehetorical question, "So why is Eddy still in jail. . ." and you answered it beautifully. Bear with me and I will interspace answers to my overstanding throughout your answer. I am so grateful that you are helping Eddy and that you wrote your book and that Sister Somayah, Richard Davis, and Rev. David Jack have introduced us.
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Hi & Thanks.
Eddy is in jail for an alleged sale to an undercover DEA agt. a pound for $2,500. which allegedly happened in January. They waited till 2/18 to arrest him. Did this violate his religious freedom to worship with MJ?
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There are several answers that apply to this. First of all let me ask a couple of questions.
Does the Catholic Church own the Christian Brothers Winery, do they sell liquor to non-members of that church for recreational pruposes, do they use the profits from those sales to "Establish" their religion as in purchase land, employ people, and defend themselves from government intrusion? Does the Catholic Church conduct Bingo games (gambling in any state of the union) which are otherwise illegal in that jurisdiction, and use the proceeds to "Establish" their religion? Does the Catholic Church example set a standard to which the government must perform in prosecuting Eddy?
Obviously, yes they do.
Secondly, even if all the charges are true (and they are not - Eddy is not that stupid even on his worst day), since when is a person held without bail for the offense of selling a pound of marijuana?Do you have any idea how easy it is to falsify a recording with the computor programs available now? All they have to do is have Eddy on tape with enough words to rearrange digatally to come up with anything they want to be said. In addition, once they have a sample, they can produce a digital match for words they don't have on tape and introduce them into tape format. This is so elementary that I saw this done back in 1992 on a Mac, right here in Fayetteville.
So the government's alleged evidence is up against the proven facts of Eddys actual ministry since when, 1996 I believe? No tape can be accepted on face value, and no lying snitch can be substituted for a full trial on the actual evidence.
Third, the fact that they waited to bust him from January till February is proof positive on its face that they had no compelling interest to enforce the law in the first place. Since they had no compelling interest to enforce the law, such enforcement is prohibited under RFRA - forget about getting to least restrictive means of regulation.
When you get to the UDV Church case you will see that the government must prove the facts of compelling interest prior to enforcement, not after. RFRA may be entered as a defense, but the government is on the hook for irreperable harm from the moment of enforcement of a law that cannot be proven to be supported by a "Compelling Interest" regulated in the "Least Restrictive Means" possible.
Remember now, Eddy invoked RFRA when he posted that sign and declared himself as Eddy's Medicinal Garden's and Multi-Denominational Ministry of Cannabis and Rastafari. As I recall, Eddy did not know about the Bauer decision from 1996 when he did that - it was the inspiration of Jah that proviked it.
So, since the fact of a compelling interest is comparable to the fact of a cop stopping someone for driving erratically because they might be drunk or otherwise impaired - or they might be avoiding a kitten in the road - and since the cops waited and did not stop the drunk driver (Eddy in our case here), they have proven that they did not have a compelling interest because if they did have one, they could not have waited to bust Eddy the drunk dirver. A compelling interest cannot be ignored by definition, it must be stopped immediately.
Another example, a man with a pen stealing millions from a bank is not a compelling interest, a man with a gun trying to steal $10 is a compelling interest - because the loss of millions is not a threat to public health and safety - ala In Re Young (see below) - and the gun being waved over any amount of money or over no money whatsoever, is a compelling interest. Are we getting there yet?
Fourth, yes being in jail without bail violates the well established religious exercise of Eddy Lepp - as he has demonstrated for years very publically. Eddy provides marijuana to sick people, including himself and other members of his ministry as Jesus did. He uses it at the altar of the inscense to purify himself so that he can talk to Jah, as an annointing oil ingredient to annoint one to talk to Jah, and as Jesus did when he spit on the ground and wiped the mud into the blind mans eyes to heal them.
Recall that Jesus called Lazareth out of the tomb with a word - was he restrained from simply speaking "Heal" to the blind man or was he teaching us that we - who are not as developed spiritually as Jesus was - should use the plants which are fellow creatures on Mother Earth that Jah created to absorb water from the dirt in order to make our "meat".
So too, Eddy uses the plants that heal as Jesus used the mud.
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The AUSA claims its on a tape.
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OK, so it's called Discovery and the attorney files a discovery motion and the government has to cough up a copy of the tapes - so have you filed the motion and gotten the tapes? Are you objecting to the judge that the goverment is concealing evidence? Why is it taking months for you to see the evidence that they claim enables them to hold Eddy in Jail without bail? (any bail that is not achiebvable is not a bail)
Now, at the risk of pissing off my friends Eddy, Linda and the congregation, I am not trying to give you a hard time about getting Eddy out of jail. I know from personal experience that Eddy is a King with a Court. As such, he is subject to the Courtly persuasions that have traditionally been used to distract the King from Kingly duties. Eddy has been distracted since August, he has been under spiritual attack, he has not been paying attention to his work (which is defending the church from this despicable DEA/CIA that smuggles drugs to fund the assasination of Archbishop Romero in El Salvador and the rape and murder of the Maryknoll Nuns there also). Being in Jail is having the beneficial effect of causeing Eddy to pay attention to his work by removing him from his Court at the Castle there in Upper Lake.
So, you guys get a pass on the bail ussue, but you still got to answer the questions, OK? By the way, did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you and God Bless you too? They slip by me from time to time.
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So the August raid is now superceded by this alleged sale.
He has a sandwich or superceding grand jury indictment adding the January matter into the Aug matter.
So what may have been a church grow is now charged as a simple sale after the chuch raid. Two separate alleged matters are now combined.
Does an alleged later sale complicate a church grow? I think so. Anyway its all one matter now. There was no way to stop it.
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OK, as addressed above, this does not complicate matters at all. Eddy is a church, even if the charges of sales of one pound were true, that is no more then the Catholic Church does every day with impunity - because the Catholic Priest is distributing wine on Sunday to minors without their parents permission, without showing an ID card for membership in the church, without a liscense to distribute liquor, in dry countys where possesion of liquor itself is a violation of law, and where wine is a proven toxic substance that causes threats to public health and safety that are not denied - and that is the standard that the DEA has to perform to with Eddy.
So, why stop it, this only makes Eddy's case more significant in the long run. How does the government prove the fact that Eddy selling a pound of pot to an undercover agent for that agents recreation or that agents further resale for profit, how does that differ from the Catholic Church selliing brandy to non-members for recreational purposes. So what that the brandy is legally sold, the point is that the Church engages in commerce in order to "Establish" the church. The DEA has to distinguish Eddy's efforts to "Establish" from the Catholic Churchs efforst and then they still have to prove the compelling intererst to prohibit Eddy from doing whatever it takes to "Establish" his religion? Why is that so difficult to overstand?
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My question is, I want to hear the tape. If no tape then the alleged sale was to the co-defendant with the DEA guy in the car waiting? I have NO idea. People don't get indicted on no evidence.
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"People don't get indicted on no evidence."? Bullshit counselor, people get indicted on no evidence every day of the week and even the federal prosecutors admit that they can indict a ham sandwich if they want. Who the fuck are you to say that people don't get indicted on no evidence? Did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you and God bless you too? They slip by me from time to time.
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When arrested in Feb. Eddy was found to have 6,000 plants. Also added into all of the August counts. A real mess now.
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Bullshit again counselor. How many cases of wine does the local priest have in the rectory? How many cases of brandy down at the Christian Brothers distillary? Bull shit counselor, the extra plants only say that Eddy is sincere in his religious exercise of healing the sick and doing what needs to be done to get that done at every risk to Eddy. Those plants are completely non-toxic and harmless. You want to tell me that you never saw the DEA Administrative Law Judge's decision on marijuana rescheduling? You want to tell me that you don't know that it would take over 1500 pounds of marijuana to equal the toxicity of a bottle of aspirin - according to the man who the drug law empowers to make that decision on toxicity? Bull shit Counselor!!! Byt the way, did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you and God Bless you too? They slip by me from time to time.
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Since I never heard any tape yet, I have no idea what happened.
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Since you have had since the bust in January to get the tape, I suggest that you stop using your own failure to get Discovery as an excuse to say, "I have no idea what happened." A real attorney would have had the copy of the tape the day after the bust or whould be suing the DEA agent in custody for witholding evidence and obstructing justice. That's a real attorney that is. If you are not a real attorney, say so.
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Eddy is claiming that he never met the guy & that if he sold the pound it was sold to his friend & co-defendant. No DEA agent would be any church member either? What do you think?
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Bullshit again Counselor. The undercover agent in Our Church Inc. came in and solicited himself as "Treasurer" of the non profit corporation - which we were happy to make him as that way there was no question that the snitch knew where all the money was at all times. So, undercover DEA agents do become members of organizations they are investigating and they even become Corporate Board members of the Church. What the fuck are you talking about?
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SO, either the tape of a sale exists or it doesn't. I have no idea, but I doubt that the Grand Jury would indict for sales if there were no sales. What do you think?
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I think you ought to stop hiding behind your own failure to get Discovery of the tape. You are embarassing yourself and everyone else that is reading this e-mail.
And you doubt that a Grand Jury would indict on no evidence or on falisified evidence? Bull Shit Counselor - who the fuck are you representing here, the government or Eddy? Where the fuck are you getting this absolute crap that Grand Jury's don't indict in error or from their own criminal complicity in supporting the Drug War so the CIA and DEA can continue to make billions? God Damnit man, no wonder Eddy is in such trouble. You sure are not any Perry Mason are you?
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Maybe the claim will be that he sold to his co-defendant & the DEA guy waited in the car? So
what does that show? If this is the case, then money out & MJ in? Is that illegal under religous freedom? Is that worship?
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Asked and Answered Counselor - above. The First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religioun, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. . ."
Establishing religion and Exercising religion are very large umbrella's Counselor. If you would spend the time to actually read the Religious Use Law Reviews at http://www.firstchurchmagi.org that I sent to your e-mail account over a month ago (the first issue No 1) you would already know that.
But forget me and the "magi" website, how about the UDV Church? They just won at the Supreme Court on December 10, 2004. They have their liscense to import and distribute hoasca tea. Importing and distributing the hoasca tea involves money exchanging hands, purchase of land and buildings, hireing employees, and a whole lot of other things that Eddy does at the Gardens. Are you going to get the UDV Church documents from the District Court website in Sante Fe, New Mexico and see for yourself what happened on December 10, 2004 or not? How much longer are you going to wait in ignorance and be ineffective assistance to Eddy? By the way did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you, God, Damn I am praying for you Brother, and God bless you too. They slip by me from time to time.
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If those facts & if not an illegal sale, then Eddy should prevail. What is your opinion?
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Asked and Answered above. A real attorney defends his client. A real attorney goes to the law library and reads the published precedents of the courts. A real attorney files Discovery motions and then sues government agents that fail to comply because they thereby cause irreperable harm to the client.
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Eddy may get out on bond, & I think we can do this, but he never put up any prior bond since August. What do you think?
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I think you got my sympathy for having a difficult client embroiled in a relatively new area of the law - and that is the only sympathy you get from me. By the way, did I tell you that I Love You yet, and that I am praying for you, and God Bless You too. Sorry, those slip by me from time to time.
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I think we can get him out on bond, but now he's working with other attorneys who are doing fund raising with $10k as a stated goal. I was in SF today & heard it there once again from a guy involved in his legal fee fund raising. [Last time we had a legal fundraiser at Eddy's on Sept 28th or 29th, money was raised, but ... for my 7 hour one-way drive.]
So who is my loyal client? What do you think? I still worked to get Eddy a trip out of the US to the Amsterdam Cannabis Cup, which as you may recall, he attended. This is unprecedented in US history.
Pro bono can bankrupt an atty. You may not believe this but it costs me to drive 4 hours to SF & get a hotel to just see Eddy in court. Is this some privilege for me?
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Yo, Bro, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act provides for reasonable attorney's fees and costs. If you had filed under that act in August, and done the reasearch that applies, you would already be getting paid now. RFRA does not require an in pauperous client to pay. This is already settled case law. Quit whining about how you are not defending Eddy as his case requires and then taking short term losses as a result.
As for the fund raising, so what? RFRA does not say that you cannot fund raise to defend yourself. What are you talking about? Oh, Shit, I know, you are talking about the fact that you haven't gone to the law library to confirm what I wrote to you about since August last year. You are talking about the fact that you haven't gone to the UDV Church case I first told you about after the August bust. You are talking about how you are riding on Eddy and you don't want to do the work. That is a tough ride alright! Did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you and God Bless you too? Sorry, those slip by me from time to time.
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What do you think about his representation to date? Didn't do enough? I wasn't there in January to advise him about MMJ, or sales if that did happen. He was prohibited to possess it and [allegedly] sell it. He had one prior encounter finding plants on the premises, but we got that overlooked by 2 US judges. Did we mess up somewhere?
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My Brother, this is Asked and Answered above. Yes, you have messed up. You haven't filed a RFRA defense. You haven't contacted the district court clerk in Sante Fe, New Mexico and gotten an ID and a password so you could download every motion and order filed in that case at the District Court level. You haven't gone to the 10th Circuit clerk and gotten a PACER account so that you can track the Appelate actions. You haven't ordered copies of the Appelate motions from the photocopy shop down the hall from the 10th Circuit clerks office. You haven't contacted the Supreme Court in DC and tracked what transpired there since August 2004. You haven't contacted Jeffrey Bronfman or his attorneys in Sante Fe to get the heads up on the religious use defense from them. Should I go on? Yeah, I almost forgot, I am praying for you and I do love you and please Jah bless this man now and forever.
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I find that when you pull off miracles, clients start walking on air & believe the atty can keep doing the miracles. Do you think this is justified? I don't, but I wish I could feel that good just
one time.
As Attys we can only do so many miracles & then get dumped. So we got the US public defender sandwitched into this to get Eddy free experts, etc. Any legal fundraiser isn't for us. What do you think about that? [After we got the US public defender into the mess w/a once in a lifetime situation of being in between or before the superceding indictment] if he now gets private counsel he most probably loses the free experts. What do you think about that
Eddy strategy? I see this as a shot in the foot or mouth.
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God damnit man, you haven't even read the Bauer decision from 1996. Bauer calls for expert testimony for indigent clients. Eddy is indigent. What the fuck are you doing, trying to sabatage his defense in addition to being ineffective with it? If Eddy can raise money for his defense, that dosen't mean he is not indigent. The Court may properly ask for an accounting of any funds prior to endorsing payment for expert witness's, but that planned $10,000 will be gone long before that and you know it. Your work so far is covered by RFRA - unless the judge rules that since you didn't plea it you can't reap from it which is your own damn fault, Bro. Did I tell you that I love you, and that I am praying for you, and God Bless You too? They slip by me from time to time.
Also, I spent 53 months in the federal prison law library helping other inmates with their cases. I know how ungrateful the wounded man often is after you heal then, and how strenuously they object while you are sewing up their wounds. I really sympathize with you on this. But all that is no excuse. Did I tell you. . .
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Also Eddy wants to represent himself, but as the winds tell me, he will be represented by Jr. partners of Tony Serra's office. This is what the fund raiser is reported to be all about. If true
what do you think?
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Well, I was thinking that since Tony Serra won the Bauer decision back in 1996, (I know he is a trial attorney not an appelate attorney, but he developed a trial record that provided support for the 9th Circuit decision in that case didn't he?), that having a proven RFRA attorney on the case would bode well for Eddy. Then I heard from Linda Senti last nite that Omar Figgeraro vivited with Eddy yesterday and told him that RFRA had been ruled unconstitutional (in City of Boerne v. Flores) and that he didn't have a case. Now I am a little concerned that maybe Omar is as full of shit as you and Roberts are, and that ain't a good sign.
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Eddy wants out big time.
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Mother Fucker, have you ever been in jail? Do you know what it is like to sit in some stinking hole without access to a phone, without even a shower for how many days? Mother Fucker, I'd like to see how "big time" you would want out of that hole. Mother Fucker!!! Did I tell you that I love you, and that I am praying for you, and God Bless you too? They slip by me from time to time.
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On the 22nd we will most probably remove ourselves from this case due to his desires. If we
are wrong about the fundraiser & we get $10k we will most likely stay in, but nobody has told us he is raising any $ for us. All rumors is the $ are for Jr. Serra attys.
Bottom line? A sale count adds new dimentions to a church worship defense.
I love Eddy, but we can only do so much. What do you think?
Thanks, Bill
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I think that if you love Eddy you will get your ass into the law library and down load the RFRA precedent on the books now. You will contact the UDV Attorneys and the court clerks at the district court, the 10th Circuit, and the Supreme Court and make youselves a pain in the ass untill this is resolved - and your relations with your other Union Brothers be damned!!! That is all those judges and prosecutors and other free standing attorneys that you hang with.
If you love Eddy you will put up with his Kingly bullshit like I do, and like Linda Senti does, and like Captain Duke does.
If you love Eddy you will stick to him like glue and see it thru and wee will too!, that is If You Love Eddy. And it you don't, that is understandable. He is not an easy man to love. He told me that himself. And Linda Senti has confrirmed that, under oath, or at least I think she was swearing. Did I tell you that I love you and that I am praying for you and God Bless you too? This is how we pray:
"Thank you Jah, Thank you Father Sun, Thank you Mother Earth. Thank you for this day, for all the lessons of this week, for all the lessons of the week to come. Thank you for this good Herb and for the people who grew it and brought it to us. Thank you for their strength. Please put your hand in Blessing on all our Brothers and Sisters in all the prisons and jails around the World, all the homes and hospitals, all the highways and byways, suffering for the cause of Truth and Justice. Help them to find the Light in their lives and to bring that Light to those around them. Help this Herb to help us to find that Light in our lives and to bring that Light to those around us. And for all the intentions of All Our Relations, we pray, Jah. and for the Attorneys too, Jah, especially for the Attorneys"
One Love revtombrown_______________________________________________________________________In Re Young, 148 Bankruptcy Reporter 886 (D. Minnesota 1992)see page 896, "I must 'presume that a legislature says in a statute what it means to say and means in a statute what it says. citing Germain 112 S.Ct. at 1149.In Re Young, 152 Bankruptcy Reporter 939 (D. Minnesota 1993) (Note that this case was decided before RFRA was signed into law in November 1993)see page 955, "Even if Smith did not apply in this case, the Court is satisfied that the Bankruptcy code is designed to advance a compelling governmental interest."In Re Young, 82 F.3d 1407 (8th Cir. 1996)see page 1416, "Although RFRA was enacted after the district court's decision, the RFRA provides that it 'applies to all Federal and State law and the implementation of that law, whether statutory or otherwise and whether adopted before or after November 16, 1993.'"see page 1417, "For the reasons discussed below, we hold that the recovery of contributions substantially burdens the debtor's free exercise of their religion and is not in furtherance of a compelling interest and therefore violates RFRA."see page 1420 "However. . . interpreted the compelling governmental interest test. . . to include in the free exercise context 'only those interests pertaining to survival of the republic or the physical safety of its citizens'".In Re Young, 141 F.3d 854 (8th Cir. 1998)see page 858, "RFRA codified the compelling interest test of Sherbert and Yoder, and provided that the government could 'substantially burden a persons exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.'"see page 859, "Where the Supreme Court strikes down one portion of a statute, we must presume that other portions of the same statute remain in effect 'unless it is evident that the Legislature would not have enacted those provisions which are within its power independently of that which is not.'"see page 861,"RFRA however, has effectively amended the Bankruptcy Code. . ."****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW EURO 1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:jeffgd1@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Smithsonian Global Sound Hello all
i just has this passed on to me and thought you all may find it interesting i did a search for Gabon and came up with some great Fang Bwiti stuff.
Smithsonian Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritageannounces 'Smithsonian Global Sound '(http://www.smithsonianglobalsound.org).I also wanted to send this link to some more interesting music that rachel foundhttp://www.baka.co.uk/
anyone know anything about this group ? They sound great and they will be here in NYc soon...Ibonaunt field trip ?I am back at work finally! 2 weeks now.. My body got soft here in the apt recoupping from my ibo experience work is hard but strengthening...Still a bit shaky some days about where I am exactly...recovery...i am not sure..opiate free yes...but i now drink beer-one or two almost every day-which is a new phenom for this man...harm reduction absolutely but?? .... a benzo every now and then as well..I am still seeking something it seems.
Hope ypu all check out the smithsonian site it is truly a treasure trove of great stuff and this Baka is pretty groovy thansk Rachy! Love ya!
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Freaking JeffFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Second omnibus reply to P. Cohen & the List
-----Original Message-----From: Peter Cohen [mailto:cohen.cedro@...]
Sent: 22 February 2005 22:02
To: ibogaine@...
Cc: ibogaine@...; Preston Peet
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Second omnibus reply to P. Cohen & the List
Preston, your summarizing of my views is quite
right.Dana is not able or willing to read my
stuff,nor understand it, let alone summarizing it.
About the physical side of intense and frequent
drug use, of course there is a biological
component.
But I do not see its relevance.
Thomas Szasz once wrote that the physical aspects
of an erection do not explain falling in love
with a particular woman, or men visiting
prostitutes. There is a lot of biology involved
in sexuality, but what types of sex are
criminalised , what types of bonding society
accepts or not, are totally different matters.
Of course people develop tolerance, or a longing
to repeat the most wanted effects of drugs(
untill they no longer count) but what does this
have to do with societies activity of prohibiting
some drug use behaviours?
I never speak about addiction, or possession, or
bewitching, I consider them all terms from a
primitive pre scientific past, that unfortunately
still lingers on in the perception of many, the
ibo clan included.
pc
Dear Peter,
I find myself a little dismayed that you appear to not have moved so much
your position on ibogaine. Your ARGUMENTS are all well REASONED, your
THINKING clear and it all looks good. But to me it seems that you still
cannot FEEL the reality of the misery of many addicts' lives. You fit them
into your vision of how the world SHOULD BE, but offer little practical
commentary on how your brave and beautiful vision could actually be
manifested, what is the first step that actually needs to be taken, and how
to do it.
It's all happening in your mind, man. And this would all be absolutely fine
with me except that you are now using this mental vision of paradise to
actively dis a substance that offers a REAL and PRACTICAL solution to many
people's miseries. Someone is going to take you by the hand and lead you
through the streets of sorrow and you are going to say that the misery is
only happening because of the prejudicial attitudes of the government and
public, but this is not going to help one fucking person, unless you can
practically manifest a way of changing their attitudes. Can you?
If you would accept that your vision is idealistic, perhaps you could then
take a more lenient stance on ibogaine, something which offers a practical
course of action. It does little to disturb the prejudical attitudes of the
public, granted; it does little to socially re-label the "addict" a natural
human, I agree; but it does practically offer hope to many who have given
up. Is it possible you could at least take a footstep down from your castle
and consider doing this?NickFrom:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Second omnibus reply to P. Cohen & the List
Well, Nick I had last week one of Peter Cohen's friend
For a treatment, I don't think that you got the whole picture...
And please Nick if you feel for a change in policies, read & sign
http://action.encod.org/ic3/faces/public/ic3/home/petition?portal:componentISaraFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Second omnibus reply to P. Cohen & the List
-----Original Message-----
From: Sara Glatt [mailto:sara119@...]
Sent: 18 March 2005 20:40
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Second omnibus reply to P. Cohen & the List
Well, Nick I had last week one of Peter Cohen's friend
For a treatment, I don't think that you got the whole picture...
Hi Sara,
Well, OK, that may well be the case, but I still wanna take him to task a
little. I mean read what he wrote back to me, which I replied to as
well......
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Cohen [mailto:cohen.cedro@...]
Sent: 18 March 2005 19:33
To: nick227@...
Cc: informe
Subject: dissing a Substance!!
Dear Nick227, your points are correct. I offer no easy solution , nor
do I have that ambition.
The thing I do is comment on the self made bogus theory the ibo
people offer about ibogaine, and show that their jargon is exactly
the mirror image jargon of the drug warriors who have taken up the
fight against 'chemical dependency' or ;'aDDICTION', modern
ghost-evils.
I do not see how the ibo clan could bring the ending of the drug war
irrationality one step closer, absorbed as they are in their whining
about their miseries, and in the idolation of their illicit saviour.
I engaged in this discussion because I consider those victimised
in/of the drug war my friends-in principle-, and so I say my truth to
them.
Hi Peter,
As I understood it, you ARE offering a solution - that of a radical revision
of the mindset which creates the social categories "addict" and
"non-addict." Is this the case? If so, then it seems to me that you
obviously do recognize some form of "problem" with the existing conceptual
model that society has for comprehending drug use. You are taking a stand -
you speak publically, you write, you take action. I don't buy it that you
are purely a theorist, to be truly that you have to not communicate your
theories, certainly not in any meaningful fashion.
Thus, I submit, you are in essence no different from the ibogaine proponent
in that you are attempting to alter what you percieve to be some form of
"wrong" in our society.
However, your position would seem to be that it's My Way or the Highway,
that you are right and ibogaine is wrong, a position you justify on several
relatively valid grounds, within your own concept. And apparently use this
to batter the ibogaine proponents viz, "absorbed as they are in their
whining about their miseries, and in the idolation of their illicit
saviour."
What I am saying is that, given that you are ACTIVE in trying alter society,
it has to be valid to consider the practical realities behind the various
strategies proposed - how they might be implemented, what would be useful
first steps, etc. And in this, I'd say that ibogaine is currently some way
ahead of your own initiatives. I could be wrong. For sure, ibogaine does not
fit in within your concept, but do you really have to indulge in suchin-fighting with those who seek a similar goal?
Of course in the back ground plays also that I think choosing for
intense use of any drug is the right of humans, and that the ibo clan
people should fight for that right. At least part of their time. As I
said earlier, I see how difficult that is.But it is not impossible.
The ibo church however makes of the ibo people an irrelevant lot for
drug policy reform, something I'd like to see turned around.
I am not impressed by sorrow in the subjective sense. I think its
bad, very bad, so go do something about it.
In the UK e.g. I know people who fight for the right to use heroin,
and to bring heroin from the local pharmacy closer, and their right
to use it as they wish. Do not think these people have easy lives or
suffer no constraints, but hey, that is the cost of choosing that
life style now, in this culture.I see them speak out at conferences ,
make smart contributions to the debates, and outwit the nitwits.
Fight for your rights! and further do whatever you should/want do,
even use ibo as gods own flesh. This would probably inspire/encouragemore 'lost souls' than venerating a substance you think I diss.
pc
Well, for sure there are a few people fighting for the right to use heroin
legally. And I support that myself. Yes, it's a good idea, but, as I pointed
out previously, when you're using daily a drug which backs up the body's own
repression system (as heroin does) then it's kind of hard to make a
meaningful political impact. To put energy out like this, to be effective,
you need to be in your power. Heroin can give you clarity if you're
overwhelmed with feelings, but it's really hard to get your hands on your
power with this drug. It doesn't lend itself to inspiring civil upheaval and
political activism. In fact, more subversive governments have in the past
well recognized that giving annoying activists high access to heroin is
definitely one way of shutting them up, as seen with the traveller scene in
80's UK.
So, I'd say, on this count too you're pretty off base. Again just my opinion
and I could be wrong. But I'd say ibogaine offers a lot more potential for a
REAL and ACTUAL shift in the whole drugwar concept than the ideas you
propose.
In addition, you don't have to categorize all substances the same way, you
can also look at awareness. Heroin represses awareness, it blockades
feeling. Ibogaine raises awareness, it attempts to bring to light that which
one is previously unaware of. You can say that, on the face of it, ibogaine
is just another drug and that it thus offers no real solution to the issue
of how drug use is perceived socially, but understand that it is not so easy
to predict just what happens when a substance of ibogaine's
awareness-raising potential comes into the wider market. You can't really
know what level of change this could catalyse. If you did then it would
already have happened.NickFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Thoughts for pc
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Anker [mailto:stevenanker@...]
Sent: 26 February 2005 18:18
To: ibogaine@...
Cc: cohen.cedro@...Subject: [Ibogaine] Thoughts for pc
Peter,
First off thanks for spending your time on the list and sharing
your ideas.
I agree with much of what you say in regards to drug use,
prohibition, and
society's demonization of drug users being harmful. Any man who can make
Dana scream, I respect.
The funny thing is you guys have a little bit in common. I have a feeling
neither of you are wrong much. You both see things in black and
white. Peter
has the advantage of having helped create some of the most amazingly
beneficial drug policy in existence, being smarter and not crazy. With
Peter, there is that old saying 'too smart for your own pants.'
Dana wrote
his book about the cure for addictionŠ and runs 'cures-not-wars.'
Cure this,
cure that.
Peter, you felt free to advise Preston on V's difficulty with the law for
serving liquor to a minor? You know the laws of the NY state alcohol and
beverage commission? Wow.
Perhaps you need to paint your argument in such broad strokes in order to
raise the discussion and get people to think outside of the constructed
norms.
Just for a minute, I would love for you to consider some of your
positions.
Never wrong? Tapering off and going cold turkey is the best wayto stop? It
works for some but not all. Saying it's the best way is no
different than a
twelve stepper or an ibo person saying their way is the best way. Finding
reliable data on the efficacy of different treatment modalities
is close to
impossible. What's wrong with a drug user having options in
helping to quit?
Ibo helps some. Cold turkey works for some. Stanton Peele and you are
probably right in that highest efficacy in stopping use is for those who
just plain stop, outgrow it. What about those who can't stop no
matter how
much they want to? Rarely does someone try ibo as a the first option. Why
can't you at least acknowledge that some people have been helped by ibo?
Drug use is often times a reaction to underlying pain, for some ibo helps
deal with that underlying pain and correct the brain chemistry in
such a way
that the need for use is diminished. Why not use it in conjunction withcognitive treatments and behavior change?
For years I've struggled with the disease concept of addiction. I
generally
don't like it, but what if some of it is true? What if there is some
something to what neurologists say with their fancy scans?
Science has never been close to addiction work, yet there is some good
science with ibo. As much as we share with them as a species, rats don't
lie. The tests with rats had amazing results. The analogue 18-mc works
excellent in rats and does not appear to have the psychedelic properties.
There might be truth that there is a placebo effect with ibo and
specifically with people having visionary experiences showing
them the way.
That is not what gives ibo it's anti-addictive properties. I think people
overstate the psychedelic part of ibo. People think they are
related because
they happen at the same time. But hey, if it helpsŠ The trip is
all over the
place. It is a harsh time. People have been looking for god in a
plant for a
long time. Just give me that old time religionŠ no new time affliction.
Preston suggested that you become hooked, which I think is a
stupid idea in
many ways. First off Preston, it's not cool to get someone hooked
on dope.
More importantly, if someone like Nick or Peter hasn't become an
addict yet,
then forget it. It would be forced and not representative of most
addicts.
Most people who take dope hate it and never want to take it again, others
for the first time feel normal. Some like it, some don't.
Well, I figure saying this stuff is just a way for Preston and others to
keep us out. "You haven't been a heroin addict so I don't have to listen to
what you have to say." Routine shit the mind does when it doesn't want to
hear something - find an excuse to dismiss it and fence it off somewhere out
of the way. But, guys, we just wanna stop a little suffering, that my intent
anyway. If it's tough medicine then it's tough medicine, but I do care.NickFrom:dana@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Ritalin Kills
I am reproducing this because some kids are taken away from their parents if parents won't let schools give them ritalin--
http://www.ritalindeath.com/
Death From Ritalin
The Truth Behind ADHD
www.RitalinDeath.com
You can visit our ADHD message Board at:
http://www.ritalindeath.com/board/?topic=topic1
I am here to warn parents of the risks involved in giving children
psychotropic medications used to treat ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
Disorder). These behaviors are listed in the DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for
ADHD.
Our fourteen-Year-old Son Matthew died on March 21, 2000. The cause was
determined to be from the long-term (age 7-14) using of Methylphenidate a
medication commonly known as Ritalin.
The Certificate of Death under due to, (or because of) reads Death caused
from Long Term Use of Methylphenidate, (Ritalin). According to Dr. Ljuba
Dragovic, The chief pathologist in Oakland County Michigan, upon autopsy,
Matthew's heart showed clear signs of small vessel damage, the type caused
by stimulant drugs like amphetamines.
The medical examiners told me that a full-grown man's heart weighs about 350
grams and that Matthew's heart weight was about 402 grams.
Matthew did not have a preexisting heart disease or defect that we knew of.
We, his parents never ignored his medical needs. The medical examiner said
this type of heart damage is not easy to detect with the standard test
necessary for prescription refills.
While visiting the doctor with the school's diagnosis and the recommendation
for Ritalin, he seemed very frustrated and asked us to let the school know,
"I am not a pharmacy." This leads me to believe that we were not the first
parents sent to this doctor, with the schools diagnosis and recommendation
for Ritalin.
No one ever informed us of other crucial tests (echo-cardiogram) that we
could have had done that would have discovered the enlargement of the heart
muscle, caused from scare tissue which these types of drugs cause. The
standard test performed consists of blood work, listening to the heart,
questions about school behaviors, sleeping and eating habits.
It all started for Matthew in the first grade the school social worker in
Berkley, Michigan kept calling us in for meetings. One particular morning
before an IEP meeting, the school social worker Monica, my wife and I, were
waiting on the others to arrive.
Monica made us feel very threatened when she said that if we wouldn't
consider getting Matt on Ritalin for their evaluation of Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder, that Social Services (Child Protective Services)
could charge us for neglecting his educational and emotional needs. My wife
and I were scared of the possibility of losing our children, if we did not
comply.
I believe that some school teachers like having children medicated because,
it makes frustrated students that are having a difficult time learning and
understanding, easier to manage, regardless of the physical and
psychological risks this practice poses to children.
Not all families can afford hundreds of dollars for a drug free, private
evaluation, so they will not be cornered into medicating their child. I am
hoping that Republicans and Democrats will work together and fight this
horrific war against the forced drugging of our children.
Medical diagnosis should remain outside the realm of education and stay
there. Pressure to seek specific medical treatment is not the job of the
school system.
We did not want Matthew on any medications, even though the school social
worker or the doctor never informed us about the dangers of Ritalin and
other stimulant medications used for ADD and ADHD. We just didn't feel good
about putting our son on drugs and we made it very clear to school
officials.
"Informed Consent", which states in part "A person's agreement to allow
something to happen [such as surgery] that is based on a full disclosure of
the facts needed to make the decision intelligently; i.e. knowledge of risks
involved, alternatives etc" and "the probable risks against the probable
benefits."
The violation of parent's rights is when they are not told of the
unscientific nature of so-called disorders such as ADHD or the risks of the
treatments involving (drugs) and they certainly are not told of alternatives
to their child's behavior such as undiagnosed allergies or food
sensitivities, which could manifest with the symptoms of what psychiatry
calls ADHD.
If we weren't pressured by the school system, Matt would still be alive
today. I cannot go back and change things for us at this point. However, I
hope to God my story and information will reach the hearts and minds, of
many families, so they can make an educated decision with more than a little
selective information, if any, paid for by psychology and drug companies.
I have created a website in hopes that parents will learn the health risks
involved in using psychotropic medications on growing children.
I hope you will be spared all the suffering and heartbreak this whole ADHD
issue has caused our family and many others.
Please do not be intimidated by family, school staff, doctors, or anyone
into medicating your child for ADHD or ADD. These mental illnesses are
scientifically unfounded with no scientific validity what so ever. The
dopamine theory is nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of
psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry.
I truly believe this must have been my son's purpose, to save the health and
lives of many others.
How old will people live after taking these types of drugs as a child? Every
time I hear about a child or young adult that has died from heart failure, I
always wonder if they were ever on a psychotropic medication used for ADHD
or depression.
If I would have known about all the children that have died from these
psychiatric medications, I would have never given Matt the first pill.
Did you know that children that are diagnosed as having ADHD or ADD and take
medication, the school labels them as learning disabled, and the schools
receives additional state and federal funding per-child, per-semester.
I wonder if that is one of the reasons why school administrators are so
adamant about medication, and the other would be to control their behavior,in their drug free school zone.
One of the hardest things for me to deal with is the fact that, Matthew
never wanted his medication.
How many more children will have to die before someone puts a stop to the
biggest health care fraud ever? How many times will school psychology and
drug companies get away with this?
In 1998 at the National Institutes of Health Consensus Conference on ADHD
the NIH issued the following statement regarding ADHD:
"We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there is no data to
indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction."
Children, do not need to be made into little robots with medication. I feel
that good parenting, structure, diets, and teaching methods can make all the
difference in the world. Different children develop in different ways; you
cannot put children all into one box.
Did you know that the ADHD diagnosis checklist of behaviors is almost the
same as the list of behaviors for gifted children (visit The National
Foundation for Gifted and Creative Children at http://www.nfgcc.org
The DEA has classified Ritalin as a schedule two drug, comparable to
Cocaine. Ritalin is also one of the top ten abused prescription drugs on the
streets today.
From the research that I have done when these types of drugs are used all
the veins and arteries constrict and get very small which makes it hard for
the heart to pump blood throughout the body. The extra force it takes to
circulate blood causes damage to the heart.
There are many other drugs that are given to children for ADHD with
different names; Adderall, Concreta, Metadate, Ritalin, the list goes on and
on, most if not all are stimulant drugs, amphetamines-speed"
We are coming to a point in our history where children have been taking
these drugs for some time. Now the truth is starting to come out.
Between the years of 1990-2000 over 569 children were hospitalized, 38 of
them were life threatening hospitalizations, and 186 died from these drugs.
Our children are being used as guinea pigs. Death is a very sad why for
parents to learn the long-term side effects.
Now that history has revealed the dangers and deaths of so many children
caused from psychostimulant drugs used for ADD, attention deficit disorder
and ADHD, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder Eli Lilly and Company has
developed a drug known as Strattera.
Eli Lilly and Company is cramming the idea of adult ADD into the minds of
normal American people with their television advertisements.
In a round about way Eli Lilly and Company is asking people to ask their
doctor about getting a prescription for Strattera.
Is it because they care about you or is because they want your money?
Eli Lilly and Company is a drug maker; it's your money they are after.
Now we have a drug maker not only targeting children but adults as well.
ADD and ADHD are bogus disorders without a scientific leg to stand on.
If ADD and ADHD was a real medical issue you could go to the doctor and get
a blood test to determine its validity.
Even though there has been no long term research done on Strattera the FDA
has approved it, therefore when people start dying from Strattera I feel the
FDA should be held accountable.
In my state MI, the first and only, the law states that if the drug has been
approved by the FDA and you die from the drug, the drug company is not held
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