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I corrected the MMM photo gallery links in the forwarded email below.
Here are the corrected MMM photo and poster gallery links. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm and
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm/viewer.php?albid=510&stage=2
Or go to this other MMM photo and poster gallery. Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm
Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Here are the corrected MMM photo and poster gallery links. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm and
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm/viewer.php?albid=510&stage=2
Or go to this other MMM photo and poster gallery. Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm
Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:30:16 -0500
Subject: [mayday] ``GMM 2005 #14: NORML Formal; Crystal Thread; Bermuda Makes 143
Cities on Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 143 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAmsterdamAntwerpAshevilleAthabascaAthensAtlantaAucklandBskersfieldBaselBermudaBernBiel/BienneBergenBerlinBirminghamBooneBoulderBristolBudapestBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownCheltenhamChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiClevelandColorado SpringsColumbiaColumbusDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEau ClaireEugeneFayettevilleFlintFrankfurtFt. SmithGenevaGrass ValleyHachitaHalifaxHartfordHiloHoustonHullJerusalemKansas CityKristiansandLausanneLethbridgeLexingtonLondonLos AngelesLuganoLyonMadridMexico CityMinneapolisMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew OrleansNew PaltzNew YorkNicosia/ LefkosiaNimbinOgdenOrlandoOsakaOsloOuluPaiaParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPortlandPotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRenoRichmondRineyvilleRoanokeRomeRosarioRostockSacramentoSalemSan AntonioSan FranciscoSan MarcosSanta BarbaraSanta CruzSapporoSarasotaSavannahSionSpokaneStavangerStevens PointSt. GallenSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaTel AvivThunder BayToledoTokyoTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloTurkuTwin OaksUpper LakeVancouverViennaVisaliaWaikikiWarsawWashington, D.C.Wilkes-BarreWilmingtonWinonaWinterthurZürichThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current-------------------------
Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers for 2004 and 2005 MMM. Adapt for your needs! Click:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2004flyers
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm2005flyers
Or go to this other big MMM photo gallery. Click:
http://gallery.encod.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"
and then "Banners Posters Handbills"Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
handbills were converted from PDF files to the gif and jpg
images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.htmlhttp://www.irfanview.com - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they usefar fewer kilobytes compared to the 640x480 and 800x600 jpg
versions of the same image. JPG image files are mainly for
photos and images with lots of color gradation. GIF image
files are much better for flyers and banners. IrfanView can
easily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.
These flyer and banner images were found elsewhere in the
photo gallery, and by following links on the MMM 2004 city
list pages, report pages, image pages, etc.. Flyers and
banners for other MMM years can be found through the first
link below: MMM images:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmmimages.htm
2004 city list:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004.htm
2004 reports:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004rep.htm*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****From: ijahqueenselassie@...Greetings, would like to request some flyers and information handouts for May 7th, we will be having a concert in the park here in Bermuda.
thanks carol
IRIE
PO box MA293
sandys Bermuda MABX441 234 6524---------From: wizwuz2002@...Hello and good evening Dana,
Thanks so much for emailing us.It is always great to
hear from you and the organization that started this
very special and much needed global event.
As you know,this will proudly be Athabasca's 2nd year
doin' the march and although last year's day was kept
rather small(and safe),we were quite pleased with the
public support and local media attention that we got.
This year will be even bigger and more fun!!
Although we haven't lined up any
entertainment(bands,food stands,hempproducts,etc...)due to a tight budget,we are trying to
gather the latest literature info for pamphlets as we
had last year.We are encouraging people to bring
signs/banners, and dress up,...I'm hoping to have a
few prizes to give away,etc...
I just checked out the latest GMM poster,and it is
awesome to see "Athabasca" on there!!!
I have got to get a few of those,absolutely!!
We signed up a little too late last year to be added
on to any of posters.
However,I have been supporting Cannabis
Culture(magazine and online)for a number of years now.
So,I am in contact with the other activists in B.C.
and Alberta.
David ML in Vancouver has my info and will be sending
out the CC posters for us.
And like I mentioned,I would love a couple of the one
from Cures not Wars.
A donation from C.A.L.M. (Citizens of Athabasca for
the Legalization of Marijuana)will be in the mail next
week. is there an address where I can send it?
Here is mine:
Paul Maggs
Apt.#305
4910 - 52nd Street
Athabasca,Alberta,Canada.
T9S 1K9
phone # 780-675-5551
Thanks again Dana...
Take care and please let me know if you have any
questions/concerns.~Paul~-----2005 NORML Conference: Register now ... rooms going fast!
Dear NORML Supporter,
Hurry up! Do not delay in booking your room and pre-registering for the
2005 NORML conference in San Francisco, March 31 - April 2, 2005. NORML's
staff informs me that we've already sold 150% of the organization's
allotted discounted room block at the Cathedral Hill Hotel.
If you don't want to miss out staying at the conference hotel, call
1-800-622-0855 (use the code: 'NORML'). We've still got great nightly deals
on hotel rooms in downtown San Francisco at $99/standard and $109/deluxe!
To learn more about NORML's 2005 conference, checkout:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6437
What can you expect at NORML 2005?
The wider world knows Rick Steves as one of America's most successful
travel authors and a popular TV show host. This year's NORML conference
keynote speaker aptly serves as NORML's world ambassador, passionately
advocating for a sane cannabis policy encompassing legal and responsible
adult use. Rick is a generous, funny, famous and deeply moving speaker. I'm
so very glad that he's accepted the director's invitation to speak at NORML
2005.
Expect speakers such as: NORML's new executive director Allen St. Pierre,
Drug Policy Alliance's Drs. Ethan Nadelmann and Marsha Rosenbaum, medical
marijuana activists Angel Reich and Diane Monson (the 'dynamic duo' whose
pending US Supreme Court decision in their landmark case has the marijuana
law reform movement waiting on pins and needles); also featured at NORML
2005 are numerous and informative panels for cannabis consumers
highlighting physicians, lawyers, medical and health researchers,
representatives from medical marijuana dispensaries, cultivation experts,
young and seasoned activists, High Times Magazine editors and members of
NORML's staff and national board of directors.
Over two dozen drug policy reform organizations are represented, including:
Drug Policy Alliance, Canada NORML, Efficacy, Americans for Safe Access,
Vancouver Island Compassionate Club, Marijuana Policy Project, MAPinc,
DrugSense, ReConsiDer, Common Sense for Drug Policy, Students for a
Sensible Drug Policy, CHEAR, DRCNet and many others.
Since 1972, NORML's annual conferences have become THE central place for
the marijuana law reform movement to meet, build community and strategize
on the ways and means to successfully bring an end to marijuana prohibition.
Pre-register online for the conference by visiting:
https://secure.norml.org/conference/
Also, you can call 202-483-5500 and register over the phone.
I look forward to seeing many old friends and making new acquaintances at
NORML 2005 in San Francisco<one of America's most cannabis friendly cities.
Regards,
R. Keith Stroup, Esq. Of Counsel (and NORML founder)
p.s. The entire NORML staff just booked flights from the Washington,
DC-area to San Francisco for under $200/person. Very affordable flights
still remain into San Francisco and Oakland from all over the US and Canada.
If you're driving to the NORML conference from CA, WA, OR, NV or from
wherever, and staying at the Cathedral Hill Hotel, parking is free. Bonus!
**********************************************************************
NORML Conference Agenda as of 2 March from
http://www.norml.com/index.cfm?Group_ID=6440
Wednesday, March 30
6:00 - 8:00pm Early Conference Registration and Happy Hour
Thursday, March 31 First Day
9:00-9:90am Welcome - Steve Dillon, Esq., Chair, NORML board of directors
9:20-9:40am Cannabis Convocation - Allen St. Pierre, Executive Director, NORML
9:40-11:00am 2004 Pro-Cannabis Initiatives: The Review
Alaska (TBA)
Oregon/Lee Berger, Esq.
Montana (TBA)
Massachusetts/Steve Epstein, Esq.
Columbia, MO - Med Mj. Initiative/Sterling Neeb - Decrim. Initiative/Dan
Viets, Esq.
Detroit and Ann Arbor, MI/Timothy Beck
Oakland - Judy Appel, Esq.
Moderator: Dominic Holden, WA NORML/ Sensible Seattle
11:15-1:00pm Drug Policy Reform: Taking it directly to the people
Jack Cole, LEAP
Roger Goodman, Esq., Voluntary Lawyer Comm.
Nick Eyle, ReConsider
Mikki Norris, Cannabis Consumer Campaign
Keith Saunders, Ph.D, MassCANN/NORML
Moderator: Clifford Thornton, Efficacy/ NORML national board of directors
2:00-2:30pm Teens and Drugs: Reports from the Field
Marsha Rosenbaum, Ph.D, Deputy Director, Drug Policy Alliance
2:30-4:00pm Cannabis Prohibition Victims: Recent, Current and Prospective
Diane Munson, Raich/Munson v. Ashcroft)
Valerie Leveroni Corral, WAMM, national NORML board of directors
Angel Raich, Raich/Munson v. Ashcroft
Brian Epis
Todd McCormick
Marissa Garcia
Moderator: Steph Sherer, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Access
4:00-6:00pm Breakout Sessions
Student Activism: Stoking the Reefer Revolution
Christopher Mulligan, CHEAR/national NORML board of directors
Scarlett Swerdlow, SSDP
Abby Bair, SSDP
Josh Manning, Univ. of FL NORML
Matt Jones, Univ. of FL NORML
Moderator: Kris Krane, Associate Director, NORML
Police Tactics: Don't Become a Statistic
Anthony Feldstein, Esq.
Omar Figaroa, Esq.
Peter Vilkelis, Esq.
Vaporizers & FDA Research: The Future of 'Smoking' Cannabis
Rick Doblin, Ph.D, MAPS
Moderator: Dale Gieringer, Ph.D, Director CA NORML
6:30-9:00pm NORML/High Times Annual Art Auction and Activist Awards
Friday, April 1 Second Day
9:00-9:45am Challenges and Opportunities in Drug Policy Reform - Ethan
Nadelmann, Ph.D Executive Director, Drug Policy Alliance
9:45-11:00am In the Cross Hair: Medi-pot Docs
Tod Mikuriya, M.D.
Frank Lucido, M.D.
David Bearman, M.D.
Mollie Fry, M.D.
Claudia Jensen, M.D.
David Hadorn, M.D.
Phil Denny, M.D.
Moderator: Fred Gardner, California Medical Marijuana Research Group
11:15-1:00pm Marijuana and Good Health: Who Knew?
Robert Malamede, Ph.D, University of CO
Donald Abrams, MD, University of CA, SF
Mitch Earlywine, Ph.D, USC
Greg Carter, M.D.,University of Washington
Moderator: Dale Gieringer, Ph.D, Director CA NORML national board of directors
1:00-2:30pm Luncheon and Keynote Speaker:
Rick Steves, Best selling travel author, TV show host and NORML Advisory
Board member
2:30-3:15pm Cannabis Arrest Report and Use Analysis
Jon Gettman, Ph.D. Former NORML Director; Fellow, George Mason Univ.
3:15-4:00pm High Times' History of The 'Bud' Shot: A Pictorial and Cultural
Anthology
Steve Bloom, Senior Editor
Richard Cusick, Senior Editor
David Bienstock, Senior Editor
4:00-6:00pm Breakout Sessions
Cannabis Cultivation: The How, Why and for What
Kyle Kushman, High Times
Moderator: Chris Conrad, ChrisConrad.com
Medical Marijuana: State of the Law From the Pros
William McPike, Esq.
Lee Berger, Esq.
David Michaels, Esq.
Moderator: William Panzer, Esq.
Hemp: A Fruitful or Frightful Future?
Eric Steenstra, Votehemp.com
Jack Herer, The Emperor of Hemp
Moderator: David Bronner, Dr. Bronner's Soaps, HIA
8:00-10:00pm Cannabis-oriented Entertainment
Saturday, April 2 Third Day
9:00-10:00am Registration Desk Open and NORML Product Sales
10:00-11:15am Drugged Driving Tests: The Science and Policies What You Need
to Know-Right Now!
Dale Gieringer, Ph.D, CA NORML
Ed Orlett, Drug Policy Alliance of Ohio
Caren Woodson, Drug Policy Alliance
Moderator: Paul Armentano, Senior Policy Analyst, NORML
11:15-12:00pm Drug Policy: Then and Now
Arnold Trebach. Ph.D Founder of the Drug Policy Foundation, Trebach Institute
12:15-2:00pm Oh Canada! Separating Myth From Reality
Richard Cowan, marijuananews.com
Moderator: Phillipe Lucas, VICS, Canada NORML
3:00-4:15pm Lessons Learned: Cannabis Prohibition and Censorship
Michael Gray, Common Sense for Drug Policy
Michael Aldrich, Ph.D
Marsha Rosenbaum, Ph.D, Deputy Director, Drug Policy Alliance
Debby Goldsberry
Mikki Norris, Cannabis Consumer Campaign
Moderator: Keith Saunders, Ph.D, MassCANN/NORML
4:15-6:00pm The Future is Now: Growing Grassroots Online
Allen St. Pierre, Executive Director, NORML
Dave Borden, Executive Director, DRCNet
Steven Heath, MAPinc
Matt Elrod, MAPinc
Moderator: Richard Cowan, former NORML Director, marijuananews.com
8:00-??? $75/person private benefit for NORML and the NORML Foundation--------------------------------
Please forward widely! Million Marijuana March. MMM.The MMM 2005 city links are always clickable at these mirrors below.
MMM world map with many more links. Frequently updated:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005map.htm andhttp://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005map.htm and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.Worldwide.
With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's9 million prisoners!:http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm
MMM (Million Marijuana March).
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031005I.shtml****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW EURO 1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] new Erowid Ibo experience
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----------------------------------------dana@... Subject:[Ibogaine] crystal meth query
From: roos@...
To make a long story short: I have two friends (a man and a woman, who have been a couple for about 8 months) in the Bay Area (Stanford / Palo Alto to be exact) who have gotten into a fucked-up sideways situation centered around crystal meth. The man in about 35 years old, pretty thoroughly addicted, and making really dumb decisions because of it.... the woman is about 21, loves him desperately, does meth with him, is able to avoid it when not around him but returns when around him.
They have no money, but have friends who would help them if they stopped wrapping their lips around the ol' crystal pistol. Which is mostly his issue, in that if he quit I believe she would too.
Questions:
1) I have not, as of yet, been able to find much literature or even chatter relating to ibogaine use for crystal meth. I have a hunch it would be fabulous, since so much of crystal meth addiction revolves around a restricted reality tunnel and lack of physical empathy for others (unless high.) Can you provide me with any links dealing with ibogaine and crystal meth specifically?
2) Being in the tweek world, my friends tend to change their minds quickly. If I can convince them to try Ibogaine, the deal has to be closed ASAP. What is the closest, cheapest, soonest place they could get ibogaine treatment? Is the free clinic in Vancouver still open? If so, what would be the risks in crossing the Canadian border (they could get a ride, but the man has some legal issues (posession conviction) and is possibly in trouble with his parole officer.) Might there be some sort of underground clinic in San Fran, or anywhere on the West Coast, and if so how might I go about finding it and proving that I'm not some sort of narc? I have friends in various San Fran circles who can vouch for my integrity (at least when it comes to not narc-ing on people!)
3) Would you recommend the ibogaine treatment for the woman, who is probably a less-than-fully-addicted person? I'm saying is an ibogaine trip generally produce enough insights for someone who is not necessarily a "hopeless addict" but still has definite life issues that need to be dealt with (combine with some excessive substance use problems, and levels of denial that make verbal broaching of these subjects difficult.)
I am researching these issues myself but am wondering if your group can provide assistance.
Longer story, if you're interested:
In various ways I helped get them into the situation, rode along for a couple of oft-fun yet thoroughly twisted months, then bugged out in order to gain perspective. I retreated to my folks' pad in Minnesota, where I am working on my own life, generally working on my own neuroses, addictions, and compulsions, but constantly nagged by guilt about my friends.
You see... for a few short weeks it really felt like we were building something. We did many noble, beautiful, and virtuous things, and suffered genuine injustices, at the hands of everyone from cops to trust-a-farians to art fags to three hundred pound Tongans with tire irons... my greatest regret, besides helping to cause the mess, is that Hunter S Thomson died before he could read about it.
Some of the energy was real, but the meth was too disorientating, the underworld too interesting, and the law too, uhh.... My center did not hold, and I had to abandon them and they currently seem helpless to deal with the meth situation: the man seems to be truly dependant on meth, and the woman enters that world whenever she is with him (but seems to have no problems avoiding meth when she is away) Currently her choices seem to be (i) give up on this guy, or, (ii) stay with him in his meth world, getting addicted with him. She genuinely loves guy, and is sympathetic to his problems because he genuinely was victimized, fucked over, and scapegoated along the way.He doesn't have the energy to fix his life, she doesn't have the energy to make him be responsible for fixing his life, she can't stand the thought of leaving him, her mother can't stop calling me, the stress and guilt from all this (and my part in enabling it) is a huge drag on my life, and I can't think of any way of getting him off meth other than pointing a gun at his head and locking him in a meth-free closet for six months -- which is probably what some cop will do if he doesn't 'get his act together' soon. He's been railroaded into high-cost, low-result rehab before (previous coke problems, not sure if he was genuinely addicted or not at that time) and absolutely refuses to do so again (as a borderline genius and psychonaut, he doesn't exactly like the institutional mindset.)From:wachtel@... Subject:RE: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
I have a friend who was a meth/amph ivdu and was treated by me with
Ibogaine. Even though he was in denial that it did any good for him the
results speak for themselves - he was able to graduate from medical school
(after one year break in the middle when he started to inject in SF)and to
receive his MD and quit his heavy use. He is now an HIV activist.
The meth/amph is almost an epidemic among gay man in the west. It is now
common in rural areas in the US. It is a hard addiction to get rid off and Irecommend more then one treatment. During our treatments of people who were
using the upper family (coke, crack etc) it was noticed that they recovered
quicker then people who were addicted to the downers family, had less nausea
and where less likely to give Ibogaine credit for their recovery. These are
just observations from a few treatments and it is not a scientific study.
I would ask the guy on the meth to be screened thoroughly, especially thehart, because uppers fuck up the heart.
Good luckBoaz wachtelFrom:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Hi all,
I'm cross posting this because I have a question that someone on either list might be able to answer.
Michelle P wrote on the ibogaine list >It's risky to make--the chemicals are volatile--and it screws with the users sense of reality quite thoroughly with prolonged use. Fairly certain it's injectable.<
Are there more than one way to make crystal meth? Because I have heard this before, and yet...
I remember when living in Atlanta, when first scoring a heroin connection (see: http://www.drugwar.com/pcalmstorm.shtm for more on my Atlanta scoring and a pretty drawing too, my first heroin scored and used in the US actually) that the roommate of the girl who was getting us our dope was cooking up methamphetamines in the bathroom sink, using some kind of cold inhaler, the name of which I can never remember- something like benedryl but that is not the actual name, just something similar to that, I think.
But the point I'm trying to make is that it didn't sound complicated nor "volitile" in any way other than when the roommate would miss her shots and fuck up her hands trying to shoot that nasty stuff into the tinniest veins she had apparently. But no "volitile" chemicals were being mixed, though I do not know the exact method she was using to extract the speed from the OTC medication.
Peace and love,Preston PeetFrom:freedomroot@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
imnsho, speed kills. it fucks up the babies of pregnant women, and
fries peeps brains, and messes you up but good. but bad. scary bad.
in minneapolis a few years back or five or six, some idiot blew up
everybody's studio spaces above Lake and Lyndale with his damn
bathtub. kids get burned and poiosoned all the time too. Its not
good. Its not glamorizable. feeling like i got a wiggle stick today.
randy, wtf does that mean you crazy man? love from fresh meadows,
rachy
ps jeff hauled his detoxed rehabilitated body outta bed **early** this
morning and returned to work, four months after his last swig at theclinic. i'm really proud of him.From:kiers10@... Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query Hi folks,
New to the list. I'm wondering if you have noticed certain subtle but long-term effects of meth use: most particularly the lack of empathy, and the inability to sort of "get with" one's own emotions as well. If you have witnessed this in yourself or others, is it possible to get these abilities back? Will Ibogain help with that?
cheers,KFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
in berlin, too.
i saw peoples lifes destroyed by it and one guy literally dropped dead after doing a big line.
personally i have some good memories, though, like 3 days non-stop sex. hey, it works for heteros, too!
that was 6-7 years ago. AND i will never do it again.
btw i think its very pure, especially compared to "normal" speed which is usually diluted since people like to do big lines. i can only speak for the german scene.
peace & love
ekkiFrom:jasenhappy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query Hey Angel,
Crystal meth here in Australia is also known as "ice", it can be smoked, snorted or injected. If injected for to long it can "fry the brain"(apparently).
To me crystal meth is just high qaulity speed. It looks like rock salt. It is fantastic for sex,as is normal speed. Most people I have known enjoy meth
or speed mainly for the hightened sexual pleasure. It takes about 2 to 3 days of to get the ahrrrrg feeling out of your system, to me the come down is notworth the high.love,Jasen.From:jasenhappy@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Hey K,
The long term use of any type of speed I have observed (brother) is paranoia,
seeing things that other people cannot see. My brother thought that people were
trying to kill him,..including seeing police cars and fire engines trying to run him
of the road in broad daylight(wasn't happening).
My brother is normally a very sain man, a realist you could say. He would drive
past my place and call me,..he would say, "look in the tree outside your window
there is a cable car in the tree with Mormans in it, they are watching you".He thought
the mormans also were trying to kill him.
He started carrying mirrors with him as he thought that people where beaming him
with lasers and hurting his heart,..he would sit there with the mirrors looking behind him
all the time, trying to deflect the "electric beams".
He would ring me in the middle of the night absolutley terrified saying,"there is about
fifty ninja's on my roof, they want to kill me,I would go there and of course there was not
ever anything there, he could not be told, he truly believed it.
This was after about 2 years of speed /ice use, the last year he used heavely and this is
when the hallucinations got really bad.
He has not used speed for almost a year now and is almost back to normal. His thyroid
gland is still not quite right as are a few other things, he is healing though, getting better.
He still thinks that people like the mormans want to kill him, he just does not see them
as much now.
I believe Ibogaine can help as it seems to deal with some of the underlying issues of why
the drug use is necessary. Eg; My oldest brother started using speed heavily after my other
brother was murdered whilst working,..my older brother did not want to be here any more
neither did I, we found it hard to handle. When I took Iboga I saw my brother, the one that
was killed and he was fine,...more than fine,...he spoke to me with his eyes and liqued light
it was beautiful, my heart was refilled with the love that I lost when I lost him. In this way
at least,..I think Iboga' can help. It will heal most of the hurt,..give you understanding, it
made life lighter for me.
I hope this helps.
love,Jasen.From:kiers10@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Hey Jasen and lovely ibogainers,
Thanks for the insights. They were very helpful! It makes me wonder, again, what it is that pushes us into these places , at once so pleasurable and so self-destructive. My ex-junkie ex-speedfreak recently ex-boyfriend talked constantly about a hole in his soul or in his heart that the junk or other substance, or a crush on some new girl was supposed to fill. He was really attracted to my bright light, but then refused to love me and let me love him fully--as if he either couldn't or was too afraid to let himself. He talked about how love is all just pain and disappointment, a trick, a trap. Now he is trying to get off Zoloft and is drinking 3 bottles of red wine a day just to keep himself jolly and hold the brainzaps at bay. He is so spiritually gifted, but I feel that he hasn't yet decided to choose the light, and that his substance abuse is as much about numbing pain as it is a seductive dance with the devil. Perhaps literally.
I have another friend, a very sensitive soul, who started on a speed binge at age 18 and has just (sort of) ended now that he is 28. He has been homeless, and often pants-less and is now toothless, but he still maintains his love of the drug. He talked of the mystical insights that one can have when one has built up enough tolerance to be able to take large amounts at a time. But he has utterly destroyed his body--and his ability to be on this planet comfortably. His journey seems more about loss than about love.
Perhaps it the job of Ibogaine to tell the body the truth of spirit? That this body and this planet are not profane, are not keeping us from the spiritual insights and release from pain that we crave, but instead are vehicles for developing stronger spirits that enable us to go farther once we leave this body and this planet behind? Can Ibogaine gives us the strength to mend broken hearts, broken not by drugs, but simply by life (sexual abuse, neglect, etc), do you think?
love,KFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Jasen,
What you have described sounds like what happened to
my ex...It was frightening to see him shaving off his
eyebrows in order to get the 'bugs out'...
Crystal methamphetamine: WORST DRUG EVER....JulieFrom:skrupa20022002@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query Hey kids ,I live here in oklahoma, meth lab capital ,we call it ghetto cocaine , an ol pal of mine had a lab ,the phosphorous blew up in his face & he is covered with permanent white spots all over him from the burns, so many police hve been harmed by labs all over the place here, its the sudafed type of part of inhalers that is the part they use, think the phosphorous can even come form match heads , apparently not that difficult. I had that anhedonia back in my early cocaine recovery days in the 80's ,but it passed in about 6 months, any long term stimulant abuse does that, sucks your brain chemistry dry ,but it does repair eventually.When I lived in hawaii they call ice batu & its a huge problem there too,violence abounds,enuf-love shellFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Hey shelley,
Are they still stealing farmer's fertilizer/materials
down there? I heard about it on the news awhile back.
A few dudes had gotten busted trying to lift some of
the materials they needed for their labs.
There have been cases of labs blowing up here too.
Usually the labs are located in trailers, so if you
can imagine a charge of dynamite exploding inside a
tin can, you probably have a pretty good idea of what
it would look like.
I repeat: Crystal Meth...WORST DRUG EVER...JulieFrom:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
It was frightening to see him shaving off his
eyebrows in order to get the 'bugs out'...<
I've never ever been able to quite believe that the cocaine bugs I suffered with during the last year of my using IV cocaine on a regular basis were really not real (as you'll see in the following excerpt and editor's note following my message here). Knowing how many parasites we human beings have really and truely living on our bodies, my theory was always, well, I know how hard I freak out when shooting most if not all of a $20 bag of cocaine- so imagine how hard it must hit those teeny tiny parasites who lives on my blood and cellular detritus. When tweaking out, my nerves were super sensitized, so could it be that I really was feeling and even catching the barest of glimpses of real, honest to goodness bugs, bugs that other couldn't or WOULDN'T see due to putting my, or your ex's, bug trip down to our drug abuse hallucinations instead of actual results of using the drugs and feeling the results in the parasites living on ours and everyone's bodies.
Just a theory of course. I could of course really have just been imaginging those bugs, but darn it, I still just don't know.
;-))The following excerpt is from a story I published in Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, taken from my own book Something in the Way, the still as yet unpublished book that is going to be a best seller and make me millions...of something, probably hate mail from prohibitionist maniacs.From:bille@... Subject:re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
I'm pretty surprised to see an addiction list that usually doesn't have that
bad of info about opiates spreading such misinformation about
methamphetamine.
Like most opiate and cocaine users, most meth users don't hallucinate or
become instant raving psychotic criminals. Meth isn't physically addictive,unlike alcohol, tobacco, opiates, barbituates, xanax and related chemicals.
It is very strongly psychologically habit forming, but a person can stop
taking it with no side effects beyond exhaustion (if they haven't been
sleeping) and anhedonia (common to all stmulants).
People hallucinate when they have been taking so much meth that they don't
sleep for days on end- the hallucinations probably come from sleep
deprivation, (which has been proven to cause delerium and hallucinations)
there is no good evidence that the hallucinations come from the chemical.
Meth is the demonic drug du jour of the media right now- which should make
any reasonable person suspicious of the media claims.
Can it be a huge problem for some people? Abso-fucking-lutely! Does it
destroy your teeth with regular use? Yes, it does. Am I glad I don't use it
anymore? Yes, I am. Was it hard to get off? No, not really, once I stopped
using, other than a psychological wistfullness for the feeling, there was no
other craving.
Anyway, most of what has been said here is distorted, when it isn't completenonsense.From:mpalmer7@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
It's funny, of the first 28 days since WD, I slept on a total of 8
nights. I didn't come close to hallucinating, but I was experiencing a
lot of anxiety.
Of course, I was never up for more than 3 days.michelleFrom:jfreed1@... Subject:re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
just for the record...methamphetamine can indeed induce hallucinations and
other psychotic symptoms (paranoia, delusions, etc) due to its actions as
a powerful dopamine agonist. (remember, anti-psychotic drugs basically
work by doing the opposite of what meth does.)
while it is probably true that the majority of meth users don't experience
such effects, it isn't just the lack of sleep that causes the psychotic
symptoms (though that almost certainly aggravates them); meth itself can
cause them in sufficient doses, and/or when used chronically. meth
withdrawal can also result in psychotic symptoms, due to the
down-regulation of dopamine receptors following chronic exposure to meth.
meth is also considerably more toxic than many other drugs of abuse, and
is one of the most damaging recreational drugs to the brain. there is some
evidence now that meth-induced brain damage can repair itself somewhat
following prolonged abstinence; but even after being off meth for a long
time, ex-chronic meth users show more neurocognitive impairment than users
of most other drugs.
and while i'd agree that the media is overly hyping meth-related problems
at the moment, it is true that meth users (as well as cocaine users to a
somewhat lesser degree) tend to exhibit more "dangerous" behaviours than
opiate users, and more frequently get into trouble with the law.
presumably this is because of the strong behavioural disinhibiting effect
of meth, which can often lead to increased aggression and violence, as
well as increased risky sexual behaviours. cocaine has a similar effect,
but it doesn't last as long.anyhow, i'm glad to hear you got off it ok =)From:jasenhappy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Hello Bill,
As I am sure you are aware addiction is not just about physically withdrawing, actually this is the easiest part for me. Meth/speed users can and do most definitely get ultra paranoid and have hallucinations. Your case is obviously different. I have known quite a few including family.What can also be addicting is
the sex,..as I am sure you are aware,..as also with good coke.I have also known people that don't hallucinate.
My brother was a very sane person,..and is getting his sanity back slowly,..it has been a year,..he used large amounts. I also knew a guy,..my ex girlfriends brother who used large amounts of speed and crystal and he would also flip out. My brother would run into my place holding his heart saying, "help me, they are beaming me with there electric beams", with a look of shock and pain on his face,I would run out with him and say where?where? and he would
say over there, there was not ever anyone there. I would walk with him to where these people were supposed to be and as we would get there he would have a puzzled look on his face then say there really good at hiding, that they wanted me to think he was mad. I knew he wasn't mad, however I could see he was most definitely hallucinating.
Good to here that you got away from it,..considering this is what you wanted.
with love,Jasen.From:kn0m0n3@... Subject:Re: Re[2]: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
I love paranoid stories :) It's just a way.
Just another way of seeing, that's all, each way has
pro's and con's. I guess some 'defense mechs' cannot
be consiouslly realized, that's ok.
Shaving Everything, (everything) before Ibogaine
journey sounds like a resonable idea to me. What!!?
that's crazy. I've read the big book cover to cover
many times and I didn't see nuddin 'bout dat.
Yeah, well, you know, it Grow back New.
I do have to agree, cold medicine concentrait is
VERY overrated. And tweakers get old quick, they are
like crackHeadz, but at least crackHeadz know they are
crackHeadz. Tweakers think they are more on par with
Herb LOL. It's like a gay hillbilly thing.NA's mostly tweakers I think. The boy/girl peeps
mostly just move on.
I'm ok hanging with tweakers for a little while, I
give them a few benzo's to calm them down a bit if I'm
there for more then an hour.
Met this tweaker chick back in day (tweakers were
easy money to a desperate heroin junkie), she like
used to peel batteries and shoot 'em if she couldn't
score the more traditional recipie. Looking back on
it now, I'm glad I got some form of payment for
listening to her go on and on about absolutely nothing
of interest. Like I seem to be doing at this very
moment.
<cut to Matrix scene where he wakes up and sees theendless human batteries in both directions>From:bille@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
The primary point I want to make is that demonizing a chemical probably
helps no-one. (It might help the internal psychological dynamic of a family
trying to cope with addiction, to demonize the chemical rather than blaming
the individual, but that's another topic.)
There have been tens of millions of meth users in the past fifty years, and
most do not experience 'demonic' effects from the drug. So, if you start out
by insisting that the drug is this monstrous thing, most users are going to
know you are full of shit.
It's not likely to help Dana's aquaintance stop using.
A secondary point is that I'm surprized that this list is so casual aboutdemonizing any chemical.just for the record...methamphetamine can indeed induce hallucinations and
other psychotic symptoms (paranoia, delusions, etc) due to its actions as
a powerful dopamine agonist. (remember, anti-psychotic drugs basically
work by doing the opposite of what meth does.)
while it is probably true that the majority of meth users don't experience
such effects, it isn't just the lack of sleep that causes the psychoticsymptoms (though that almost certainly aggravates them);How do you know this? How certain are you that this is real information, and
not just more drug propaganda?
What you are saying may be true- but... When I studied the question, which
was some years ago, this was just a theory, supported only by extreme dosage
studies on rat and monkey brains. The clinical evidence, that is, evidence
collected from physicians who were overseeing cases so extreme they ended up
in the hospital, placed primary evidence on sleep deprivation. When patients
got recuperative sleep, symptoms stopped, and the reports were that high
doses didn't cause delerium unless the sleep deprivation was also occuring.
My sources for this info were from links gathered from alt.drugs posting,
and are some number of years old. Maybe there have been more authoritative
studies confirming the dopamine theory you mention, but if so I don't know
of them.
I do know that I never experienced such hallucinations, and never saw others
display anything more than fairly mild delerium, usually after drinking
heavily with much sleep deprivation.
These other stories of paranoid hallucinations are terrible stories, but (1)there may be much information left out about other drugs and alcohol, and
perhaps native schizophrenia, and (2) I don't see how these stories areuseful as far as dealing with most peoples use of the chemical is concerned.From:vector620022002@... Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
If anything the more abstinence-everything members of this list get
upset that the list doesn't demonize drugs enough ;)
You got replies from who read what you wrote on that day and decided to
reply. Try it again next week or on Friday and you will probably get 10
other people to reply who say something different :)
I'm not in recovery and I've never been a addict, but I notice that
most people go through phases and have different opinions from month to
month depending on how they're personally feeling..:vector:.From:jfreed1@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query The primary point I want to make is that demonizing a chemical probably
helps no-one. (It might help the internal psychological dynamic of a
family
trying to cope with addiction, to demonize the chemical rather than
blamingthe individual, but that's another topic.)
oh, i certainly agree with that; and i didn't mean to sound as if i was
demonising meth. however, some drugs present the user with more risks than
others, and meth is one of the riskier drugs out there. while demonising adrug doesn't help anyone, neither does down-playing its dangers.There have been tens of millions of meth users in the past fifty years,
and
most do not experience 'demonic' effects from the drug. So, if you start
out
by insisting that the drug is this monstrous thing, most users are going
toknow you are full of shit.
again, i didn't mean to make meth out as a "monstrous thing", but it can
definately be a dangerous thing. as i said in my original post, the
majority of meth users won't experience psychosis; but it is a real risk
of meth use that can be profoundly problematic for people who do
experience it.
and while the percentage of meth users who experience psychosis is a
minority, it is well documented that chronic meth use can cause
debilitating neurocognitive deficits (such as memory loss and attentional
problems) in many chronic users.
i'm all for people making their own choices as to what they put in their
bodies, but i also believe people should be able to make informed choices;
they should be aware of what could conceivably happen if they choose to
use a given drug. as i said in my presentation at the conference recently,
it's very unfortunate that the government uses scare tacticts to try to
persuade people from taking drugs, because when a drug does really havesome scary effects, like meth, people tend not to believe it.How do you know this? How certain are you that this is real information,
and
not just more drug propaganda?
What you are saying may be true- but... When I studied the question, which
was some years ago, this was just a theory, supported only by extreme
dosage
studies on rat and monkey brains. The clinical evidence, that is, evidence
collected from physicians who were overseeing cases so extreme they ended
up
in the hospital, placed primary evidence on sleep deprivation. When
patients
got recuperative sleep, symptoms stopped, and the reports were that high
doses didn't cause delerium unless the sleep deprivation was also
occuring.
My sources for this info were from links gathered from alt.drugs posting,
and are some number of years old. Maybe there have been more authoritative
studies confirming the dopamine theory you mention, but if so I don't knowof them.
a quick search on pubmed for "methamphetamine psychosis" turned up 185
references. for example, here's two neuroimaging studies:
Iyo M, Sekine Y, Mori N. (2004). Neuromechanism of developing
methamphetamine psychosis: a neuroimaging study. Ann N Y Acad Sci, 288-95.
The long-term use of methamphetamine (MAP) induces a psychotic state,
called MAP psychosis. To understand the neuromechanisms of the persistent
psychosis, we used SPECT, MR spectroscopy (MRS), and PET on the MAP users.The SPECT study showed a high incidence of multiple patchy deficits in
cerebral blood flow among the users. The MRS study MAP users showed a
significantly reduced ratio of creatine plus phosphocreatine (Cr +
PCr)/choline-containing compounds (Cho) in the brain compared with the
healthy control subjects. In addition, the reduction in the ratio of Cr +
PCr/Cho was significantly correlated with the duration of MAP use and with
the severity of residual psychiatric symptoms. PET revealed no significant
differences between the ex-users of MAP and the healthy controls in the
density of striatal dopamine D2 receptors. On the other hand, the density
of dopamine transporter in the nucleus accumbens and caudate/putamen in
the MAP users was significantly less compared with the controls. This
reduction was significantly correlated with the length of use and severity
of psychotic symptoms. These findings suggest that long-term use of MAP
causes abnormal cerebral blood flow patterns, reduction of brain dopamine
transporter density, and metabolite alteration, which may be closely
related to a susceptibility to MAP psychosis.
Sekine Y, Minabe Y, Ouchi Y, Takei N, Iyo M, Nakamura K, Suzuki K, Tsukada
H, Okada H, Yoshikawa E, Futatsubashi M, Mori N. (2003). Association of
dopamine transporter loss in the orbitofrontal and dorsolateral prefrontal
cortices with methamphetamine-related psychiatric symptoms. Am J
Psychiatry, 160, 1699-701.
The authors examined dopamine transporter density in the orbitofrontal
cortex, dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and amygdala in methamphetamine
users and assessed the relationship of these measures to the subjects'
clinical characteristics. METHOD: Positron emission tomography with
[(11)C]WIN 35,428 was used to examine the regions of interest in 11
methamphetamine users and nine healthy comparison subjects. Psychiatric
symptoms were evaluated with the Brief Psychiatric Rating Scale. RESULTS:
Dopamine transporter density in the three regions studied was
significantly lower in the methamphetamine users than in the comparison
subjects. The lower dopamine transporter density in the orbitofrontal and
dorsolateral prefrontal cortex was significantly correlated with the
duration of methamphetamine use and the severity of psychiatric symptoms.
CONCLUSIONS: Chronic methamphetamine use may cause dopamine transporter
reduction in the orbitofrontal cortex, dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and
amygdala in the brain. Psychiatric symptoms in methamphetamine users may
be attributable to the decrease in dopamine transporter density in theorbitofrontal cortex and the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex.I do know that I never experienced such hallucinations, and never saw
others
display anything more than fairly mild delerium, usually after drinkingheavily with much sleep deprivation.
I'm happy to hear that you didn't suffer from some of meth's more severeeffects, but many meth users are not so lucky.These other stories of paranoid hallucinations are terrible stories, but
(1)
there may be much information left out about other drugs and alcohol, and
perhaps native schizophrenia, and (2) I don't see how these stories are
useful as far as dealing with most peoples use of the chemical isconcerned.
Researchers have been studying meth's effects for decades now, and while
it is possible that they have missed some confounding variables that could
contribute to things like psychosis, it's pretty unlikely. Schizophrenia
is pretty easy to spot, and besides that, methamphetamine psychosis
differs from schizophrenic psychosis in a number of fundamental ways. It's
also unlikely that other drugs are responsible; stimulant-related
psychosis is pretty distinct from the psychosis that can result from
psychedelics or dissociative anaesthetics.
Frankly, I don't understand how you could perceive such information as
useless. People should be aware of the risks they are taking when they
choose to ingest a given substance. Heroin users should be aware that
there is a very real risk of death by respiratory depression if they take
too much, even though the majority of heroin users don't die. Likewise,methapmhetamine users should be aware of the possibility of experiencing
hallucinations and delusions, and probably more importantly, that they
could end up causing themselves signficant brain damage, even if there's a
substantial number of meth users who don't suffer these effects.
To use an analogy.. most people who ride in automobiles don't end up dying
in car crashes, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to go riding around
without a seat belt.From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
Bill Eichman wrote >A secondary point is that I'm surprized that this list is so casual about
demonizing any chemical.<
Another big LOL!
Bill, you're new here, right? This list is chock full of folk who insist that some drugs are just evil, and should never be used by anyone ever and that ibogaine is needed to get those people to stop what they're doing right now because without it their lives are worth little to nothing at all- and with others who are exactly the opposite. What ties us all in together is our interest in ibogaine for whatever reason, or so I myself think about this list and its subscribers and participants.
Just as with any group of people, the differences of opinion here range widely and erratically all across the board, with some of us, like me, insisting that drugs aren't the real problem, that prohibition is, and others insisting that there isn't anything good about any drugs at all (except of course ibogaine and sometimes marijuana and even that's debatable), and others who fall anywhere in between these extremes.
Bill also asked and noted >How do you know this? How certain are you that this is real information, and
not just more drug propaganda?
What you are saying may be true- but... When I studied the question, which
was some years ago, this was just a theory, supported only by extreme dosage
studies on rat and monkey brains. The clinical evidence, that is, evidence
collected from physicians who were overseeing cases so extreme they ended up
in the hospital, placed primary evidence on sleep deprivation.<
You are totally and completely correct to point this out- I mean, take into consideration the number of US figher pilots who use methamphetamines on a daily basis and yet, no troubles whatsoever, and they're even using the stuff to do their jobs BETTER- imagine that, meth makes it easier to do one's job. Huh. Of course, after long hours of flying about in a big fast warmachine with little sleep, sometimes accidents do happen, as was the case in Afghanistan a couple years back when some US pilots bombed the shit out of some Canadian troops on the ground while under the influence of both methamphetamines AND lack of sleep. Apparently anyway.
It behooves us all to remember that despite many of our own horrific experiences while abusing hard drugs, and the many stories we have most of us heard and seen lived out by ourselves and by others, not everyone puts themselves through such hell and many if not most people use their drugs both hard and soft, legal and not-so-legal, rationally and with total control, always. Weird how that works, but it's the reality of things as near as I can tell from my well researched position here.
These other stories of paranoid hallucinations are terrible stories, but (1)
there may be much information left out about other drugs and alcohol, and
perhaps native schizophrenia,<
Personally? I don't drink and haven't in some 20 years or so and wasn't when this story I posted about the cocaine-influenced hallucinating took place- having been drunk in these last 20 years about, oh, twice, maybe three times total. Yes, there were other drugs involved (heroin in this particular case) but as you yourself noted about lack of sleeping's effects on folk, an extreme lack of sleep often played a part in my overall experiences, as I was running the streets and staying awake up to five days in a row, over and over and over again, running and shooting and running and shooting until I couldn't possibly stay awake and score and scam any more money no matter how much cocaine I shot and would finally collapse. But I'm certainly NOT schizophrenic, except under the influence of LOTS of cocaine- and even then I wouldn't call myself schizophrenic, only manic and somewhat insane- and this is JUST ME I'm talking about.
and (2) I don't see how these stories are
useful as far as dealing with most peoples use of the chemical is concerned.<
I didn't post it for it's "usefulness" Bill, and I'm not sure why you feel "these stories" should have to be useful at all. I posted it as an entertaining misadventure tale I thought other people experienced with many other illegal drugs might enjoy reading and learning about ONE PERSON'S EXPERIENCES- mine.
Peace and love,
Prestonms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
I would also agree that sleep deprivation probably
plays a big part in the whole psychosis trip. God
knows, after 3 or 4 days partying(MDMA, ketamine,
weed, dex- I was 19, OK!), I had a pseudo-iboga
experience, except I didn't have to close my eyes- the
visions were 'projected' onto a wall, and I could
interact with them and change them at will.
BUT, my ex had a schizo break after using it at a
rave, only once. He hadn't been up for days. Maybe
his neurochemistry/ego was too fragile for a strong
stimulant, or maybe he used some dirty shit, who
knows?
Not only did he shave off his hair/eyebrows, he also
stopped traffic at a busy intersection during
rush-hour, hopped in one of the cars, and told the
driver to drive quickly, cuz the tv cameras/secret
film crew were trying to get each of his moments on
camera, and he didn't like that. He ended up in a
psych hospital, and hasn't been the same ever since.
Of course, this is just an anecdote, and I guess that
doesn't mean too much. If someone can use crystal
regularly, with no side effects, more power to them.
I just haven't seen it happen very often.JulieFrom:ekkijdfg@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
to add another crystal anecdote:
friend of mine thought that he was attacked by vampires. he came to my flat and painted black crosses with a magic marker on my door and windows. he brought lots of garlic with him, nevertheless we ordered pizza with garlic. when we ate he sensed some danger so we arranged the pizza slices into a cross which seemed to help. for him this was not funny. ha also had the idea that these vampires were invisible and entered his flat through the electric sockets at the wall and then went right into his brain. he thought he needed to do more crystal to be strong enough to fight them. he later went into treatment and felt ashamed of his vampire trip and focussed more on conspiration theories. his motto is: paranoia is always warranted!
even if this was funny to watch, it was hell for him.-ekkiFrom:bille@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] crystal meth query
I used meth casually for 15 years, and heavily for 5, and never saw anything
that remotely looked like methamphetamine psychosis. I would venture to say
that the vast majority of meth users don't experience meth as causing
psychosis.
Now, to add a caveat, I didn't shoot and rarely smoked it. But, I had access
to as much of it as I wanted, and I could take it untill exhaustion forced
me to stop. Those I knew who did shoot it didn't display anything I would
call MAP.
The point I am trying to make is that most users, for example Dana's fellow,
don't experience it as some awful thing that is driving them crazy. If you
talk to a user like that, they are going to dismiss you as a drug propaganda
fool.
If you want to get an average user to stop you have to appeal to other
motivations. Steady use will cause health problems, such as losing teeth
(you can appeal to people's vanity) and, from what I've seen, rheumatoid
arthritis. Try talking straight to the user about the real, average health
risks, and ask them to stay away from their source.
Since there is no withdrawal, getting off is easy, once the person has
decided that they are done with it. And, as far as I can see, casualoccasional use has very little negative side effects.To join the Mindvox ibogaine list just send an email to ibogaine-subscribe@... if you please.Nothing more to it. You don't have to write anything in the subject or text area.-------------------------------------------------------------From: tents444@...http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmmall.htm This page just created! Please forward and distribute widely.348 MMM cities worldwide since 1999!
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Photo gallery. Cannabis events worldwide:
http://gallery.marihemp.com/mmm
MMM (Million Marijuana March). First Saturday in May.
Hundreds of different cities worldwide since 1999.
2005 city list and world map:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction
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