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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:24:33 -0500
From: Dana Beal
Subject: GLOBAL MARIJUANA MARCH (GMM) 2005 #1: UK to Ban Shrooms?; Grass
Valley Mades 100 Cities on the Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 100 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAshevilleAthensAtlantaAucklandBskersfieldBergenBerlinBooneBoulderBudapestBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiColorado SpringsColumbiaDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEau ClaireEugeneFayettevilleFrankfurtFt. SmithGrass ValleyHachitaHalifaxHartfordHoustonJerusalemKansas CityKristiansandLethbridgeLexingtonLondonLos AngelesMexico CityMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew PaltzNew YorkNimbinOgdenOuluOsloParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRenoRichmondRoanokeRomeRosarioRostockSan FranciscoSarasotaSavannahSpokaneStavangerStevens PointSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaTel AvivThunder BayTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloTurkuTwin OaksUpper LakeVancouverViennaVisaliaWarsawWashington, D.C.Wilkes-BarreWilmingtonThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current-------------------------
Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers. From 2004 MMM. Use for 2005 MMM ideas! Adapt foryour needs! Due to software upgrade problemsonly the full-size images and full-size image downloadscurrently are working-- go here:http://www.vienna2004.org/mmm/viewer.php?albid=510&stage=2
or if problems go to the home page URL:
http://www.vienna2004.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"and then "Banners Posters Handbills"
Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
handbills were converted from PDF files to the gif and jpg
images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
http://www.irfanview.com - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they usefar fewer kilobytes compared to the 640x480 and 800x600 jpg
versions of the same image. JPG image files are mainly for
photos and images with lots of color gradation. GIF image
files are much better for flyers and banners. IrfanView can
easily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.
These flyer and banner images were found elsewhere in the
photo gallery, and by following links on the MMM 2004 city
list pages, report pages, image pages, etc.. Flyers and
banners for other MMM years can be found through the first
link below: MMM images:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmmimages.htm
2004 city list:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004.htm
2004 reports:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004rep.htm*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****indymedia.org.uk::Forwarded Articlesave our MAGIC MUSHROOMS!!!Yet again the government are trying to crack down on our rights to choose. This week labour has proposed ammedments to the law to make all sale and use of magic mushrooms illegal.
Yet again the government are trying to crack down on our rights to choose. This week labour has proposed ammedments to the law to make all sale and use of magic mushrooms illegal. Up untill now any preparation and consumption of mushrooms has been considered illegal, but using and selling them as long as they are fresh has not been stopped. The proposed amendments will make any possession of them, irrespective of whether they are dried or not, a class a offence. This means mushrooms will be on par with crack, heroin and cocaine, and punishable by life imprisonment if judged to be selling them.
I personally believe all drugs should be legal, as prohibition creates more problems than solutions, however thats another argument for another day.
However the case of keeping mushrooms legal is particularly important. The reasons are numerous. First and foremost, they are a matter of personal choice, and no government should decide what one can and cannot fill their own body with.Furthermore, Britain has several varieties of native magic mushroom, and it would be absurd to ban a naturally occurring plant. It would be like outlawing brambles, or sycamores!!
This poses the further question, are landowners who have magic mushrooms growing on their land breaking the law? Watch out farmers of Britain!!
Banning mushrooms would also be banning age old tradition. Throughout the history of our country, magic mushrooms have been used to enlighten and open eyes. Its part of our culture, and has been for millennia.
Moreover, its a victimless crime! No one has ever died from eating magic mushrooms. Nor are they part of drug trafficking or gang crime. More often than not, mushrooms are either grown or picked by individuals and passed on to friends and associates, but not traffic-d.
These are only some of the reasons for keeping mushrooms legal and there are many more. Just remember, a crack down of civil liberties and right affects EVERYONE.- WE DONT WANT STATE CONTROLLED FUN!!http://publish.uk.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/302975.html
Attached comment from goodjeff:As you know Magic Mushroom are bein gsold everywhere even by Asian stallholders and now the government wants to stop it...Blair seems more interested in this than the Tsunami....Happy New Year, GoodJeff(Kate's stepdad) in Oxford---------From:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Fw: The Weekly Spin: the 2004 Falsies Awards *The U.S. indicted executives from Ogilvy and Mather forparticipating in an "extensive scheme to defraud the U.S. Government
by falsely and fraudulently inflating the labor costs that Ogilvy
incurred" for its work on a media campaign for the Office of National
Drug Control Policy. According to O'Dwyer's PR Daily, O&M's anti-drug
media campaign work was part of a five-year $684 million dollar
project. The government said it was overcharged by O&M from May 1999
to April 2000.-----------
From: NORMLFNDTN@...December 27, 2004
Dear Friend,
As we approach the end of another year, I am writing to thank the tens of
thousands of supporters who have donated either money or time to NORML
over the last year. NORML is the marijuana smokers' lobby in America, and
but for your support, we would not have the ability to make our voices
heard in the public policy debate over marijuana policy. The organization
is truly in your debt.
I also want to thank those of you who have been NORML supporters over the
many years that I have had the pleasure of serving as the executive
director of this fine organization. Earlier this year I notified the
board of directors that I intended to step aside as the executive
director at the end of this year, and recommended that the board find
someone younger, with more energy and a fresh perspective to run the
organization. My last day will be December 31, after which I am happy to
report Allen F. St. Pierre will be taking the reigns of the organization.
Allen has been with NORML for 14 years, serving as the number two person
for much of that time. He is a dedicated, hard working, bright and
committed individual who has earned the right to take his turn at the
helm. I have depended on Allen for much of the work we have accomplished
during my second term at NORML, and I am confident his energy and new
ideas will provide a needed boost to the organization.
I would like to take this opportunity to urge each of you to make a
generous end of the year donation to NORML, to provide Allen with the
resources he will need to move forward in 2005. Our future lies with
younger leaders, and Allen is the perfect person to assume that mantle at
this time.
When asked about our major accomplishments over these many years, I am
most proud of the significant shift in public opinion that has occurred.
When we began this long journey in 1970, fewer than 25% of the public
supported the decriminalization or legalization of marijuana. Today,
according to a CNN/Time Magazine poll, 74% of the public now say a
marijuana smoker should not be treated like a criminal: no arrest, no
jail, and no criminal record! Three out of four Americans now agree withour basic position that there is nothing wrong with the responsible use
of marijuana, and it should be of no interest or concern to the
government.
Allen St. Pierre's challenge, with the help of all of us who want to
advance marijuana law reform, will be to find a way to transform this
public support into public policy. And with your continued support, I am
confident Allen will successfully lead us to that goal within a few years.
Please be generous as we approach this milestone in NORML's long and
proud history. NORML does not have some billionaire to fund our work. We
still do it the old fashioned way; we earn our support in small donations
from individual concerned citizens. As a result, we truly represent the
interests of marijuana smokers.
If you smoke marijuana, or if you have friends or family members who
smoke, please help us change these unfair laws that resulted in the
arrest of more than 750,000 Americans last year. It is time we stopped
arresting marijuana smokers, and with your help, we will do that.
Please make a generous donation by visiting:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6371
Once again, thanks for your support for all these years, and please now
give your full support to Allen St. Pierre, my friend and colleague who
will be running the organization as of January 1, 2005. Please make a
generous end of the year contribution to NORML today. If a tax-deduction
is needed, please make your donation to the NORML Foundation and we will
use your funding for educational purposes.
Again, you can make a donation by snail mail at the address below, by
calling toll-free 888-67-NORML or by visiting:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6371
At the end of the day, we are all responsible for making this a better
world, one small step at a time. Support NORML and let's legalize theresponsible use of marijuana, once and for all.
Regards,
R. Keith Stroup
NORML FounderFrom: jvsnyc@...Dear Dana and Cures Not Wars Revelers:
My boiler broke last night, no heat overnight or this morning. It was
fixed during the day, $0.25 part they threw in for free, $140 service
call, amy gave him a $20 tip. So, regretfully, I won't be making it in
for the party with y'all.
I would like to say have a great time, don't drink too much and don't do
anything stupid, because tonight and tomorrow are the beginning of an
era.
Congratulations Dana, on out-persisting R. Keith Stroup in the Marijuana
Reform Movement (please pronounce his name correctly in the future). Of
course, to Us it is the Harm Reduction Model with an emphasis on
Green-based harm reduction, secondary prevention, separation of markets,
Ibogaine...to me, it has always been about context, that is what is
often missing, and almost always present in "Our" message. In the ten
years I have worked with Cures Not Wars, the two things that stand out
are Context and Participation. It isn't about saying "I support
marijuana, here's the check." It is about putting in some time and warm
body presence SHOWING support, and in a context that will reach beyond
those that already support us while including, rather than excluding
those that we are actually supporting, despite their deprecated,
second-class status as citizens.
So, thanks for the invite to the party, I will likely call at some
point. Thanks for the opportunity to BE part of the movement. To crash
some overly-well-attended conferences and throw others that had plenty
of impact despite too few attendees. To stand out in the soaking rain
in the Capitol when the President turned chicken again and deserted
D.C.; to stand outside the FDA until major people working for Donna
Shalalala came out and said their anti-pot campaign was a bad joke,
politically motivated, and "they hope we win". To see for myself in
person what a total asshole Gabriel Nahas is, and in fact, to remember
that when encountering resistance within our own movement. To have
Senator Chris Dodd tell me in person he "couldn't see how anyone could
be against medical marijuana use by anyone so sick that is being helped
by it." To see the huge parades and events we had in New York and D.C.in the better years, and to remember them when it is time to work on the
event (i.e. NOW!!)... To represent our event in Europe, 3 times, and get
to make a commercial that was shown in coffeeshops before the 2001 MMM,
a now annual event that has taken on a life of its own on numerous
continents, in diverse countries and countless cities, born out of the
frustration and disgust with Giuliani's determination that freedom of
speech doesn't apply to Scumbags, and that standing up for your right to
smoke pot means you are a scumbag.
If I kept going until midnight I would keep thinking of high points of
our ten years together at Cures Not Wars...actually seeing the book come
out finally, some of our TV coverage of the Marches in better
years...the JAMA article and LA Times article and CSI...even that crazy
TV show we did with my friend and that nutty anti-drug lady doing us
more good than harm with her narrow-minded attitudes and wacky Roman
dance...personally, I have met and spoken with more amazing people from
working together with Cures Not Wars and on the MMM, from all over North
America and the world, united with a clear, logical, consistent program
for progress and a happier, healthier populace that speaks for itself
when people make themselves heard, read and seen. People who believe in
what they are saying, and believe they can make a difference.
Hugs and kisses to at very very very least, those who have been there
the most the longest and often made it count, even when times were quite
hard--Latecia, R.J., Maya, Alice and I will have to determine who else
when I call. Doug too, in his own special way, without whom I would not
own this computer or house or be typing this now. Of course, I'd
probably be at the party in that case, but...no I wouldn't, because it
was Doug Greene who brought me into Cures Not Wars ten years ago, after
attending the event in 1994 and still having no idea yet that I was
needed to successfully put on the next ten, necessary but NOT suficient.
Here's to a Happy, Healthy New Year and some very significant progress
in 2005, as well as ten wonderful years being identified with Cures Not
Wars as part of my public profile and personal conceptual worldview.
Here's to Cannabis, Culture, Context, Creativity, Cadence and Cogency!
Cheers,
Jesse.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Greene [mailto:douggreene@...]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:58 PM
To: jvsnyc@...
Subject: FW: 'End of an era' letter from NORML's R. Keith Stroup
Might be good to reconnect with Allen and see if we can work together
with him and NORML more productively than we were with Keef.
Happy holidays, dude!DoUg-------From: growleon@...Correct, Leon unfortunately won't participate any further. People from Leon will participate at the Mexico city march. Though, the new mailing address for Leon is: Mireya Ortega Ortega: De las Tunas 206, Las Huertas 37430. Leon, Guanajuato. Mexico.
> From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
> To: growleon@...
> Subject: Leon
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:08:37 -0500
>
> Is this message meant to imply that Leon is not participating in 2005?
>
> Dana/cnw-----------From: revtombrown@...Greetings Stephanie Vogel,
Give thanks and praises for your reply and suggestions. Please consider this to be a letter of inquiry for the Religious Use of Marijuana Grant. Please excuse any failure on my part to comply with your needs, as that would be due to ingorance on my part and not intention.
Since 1999 I have been in contact with the individuals named below. We are interested in filing for injunctive relief in the D.C. Circuit Court in Washington, D.C. We seek an injunction to prohibit the DEA from intefering with our religious exercise in growing, possesing, useing, and transporting marijuana.
You will find that these are the foremost and most senior religious practioners in use of marijuana in the United States.
Here is the basic outline of the legal issues.
A. The first religious use of marijuana case was in 1967 - that of Dr. Tim Leary. Dr. Leary argued that his membership in the Brahama Krishna sect of the Hindoo religion qualified him to argue a Sherbert defense to the charge of possesing marijuana.
In that case, the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals stated, "Leary's reliance on Sherbert is inapposite on the facts and the law. . ." The Fifth then went on in detail to deny the then existing Sherbert tests for a threat to public health and safety sufficient to justify a Compelling Interest on the part of government to prohibit Leary's possesion of marijuana, or a Least Restrictive Means of Regulation in having delt with the original threat to public health and safety.
B. Subsequent to the "Leary" decision at the Fifth Circuit, the Supreme Court overturned the Leary conviction on other grounds. The Fifth Circuit decision on the denial of the Sherbert tests for religious exercise in possesion of marijuana remained the decision of the court.
C. Since then, all other religious exercise in drug use claims were delt with by citing "Leary", or a case that cited "Leary", for the porposition that the government need not be put to any factual tests regarding public health and safety vis a vie the drug laws.
Until Congress enacted RFRA (42 U.S.C. sec. 2000 bb) and this defense was advanced in Bauer in 1996 in the 9th Circuit, there had never been a drug case subjected to the Sherbert and Yoder tests.
Under RFRA the marijuana possesion charge was dismissed in Bauer.
D. Since Bauer, we have Gurrero in the 9th Circuit in 2002 and now the UDV Church Case in the 10th Circuit in 2004 capped by the Supreme Court setting aside the emergency stay on the 10th Circuit order to the DEA to issue the church a liscense to import and distribute hoasca tea which contains DMT - a drug like LSD.
E. All the names on the list I send below, as well as some others, have standing to file a civil rights lawsuit under RFRA (42 U.S.C. sec. 2000 bb, cc et al) as the UDV Church did. It has been my contention that a number of us who have standing, should gather together as a group - but not in a class action lawsuit as that costs too much to notify the "class" - and file for injunctive relief from persecution in religious use of marijuana in the DC Circuit as that is the home circuit for all federal bureaus.
F. As to the issues of Compelling Interest and Least Restrictive Means of Regulation of marijuana, that has been decided by the federal judge empowered by the federal drug statute to make such determinations of toxicity and threat to public health and safety. DEA Administrative Law Judge Young made that determination in 1988. As the DEA judge is the government's own expert on the issue, they cannot impeach their own expert and his decision is the rule on that fact issues.
G. Since Young ruled that a toxic dose of marijuana is 1500 lbs. consumed in 15 minutes, and he ruled that dose is no more toxic then a bottle of aspirin or 10 raw potatoes, no regulation of religious exercise in marijuana use can exceed the regulations of those items already set forth.
Yes, I know it is a little more complicated then that, but this is just a proposal to you. The idea is that the senior religious practitioners in the United States (from the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church in the 1960's thru Religion and Jesus in 1969 and Our Church Inc. in 1994) would set the standard to which all others could then apply their own situations. Once we prevail - as the UDV Church prevailed recently - then all others have a bench mark that applies in all the circuits - as it is injunctive relief obtained in several circuits for all churchs that are part of the group.
I believe that your issue of "novel" really dosen't apply, because wherever the courts have applied the Sherbert and Yoder analysis to use of drugs in religious exedrcise, the government prohibition has been set aside. Now that the Supreme Court ruled in City of Indianapolis v. Edmonds that the drug laws in and of themselves do not constitute proof of CI and LRM of regulation, and the UDV Church has now been issued a liscense by DEA to import and distrubute, the relative merits of the case should prevail wherever religious use of a drug is claimed. The government can no longer simply obtain dismissal of the claim ala Leary and therefore where there is no provable threat to public health and safety, there can be no prohibition.
All the list members are in fact demonstrably sincere in federal court.
Hope this interests you all there in Washington. Let me know if you are interested in proceeding.
One Love revtombrown
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The names listed below are of those interested in negotiating the filing of an application for injunctive relief in the D.C. Circuit of the Federal Court to prohibit inteference in church possesion, use, and transportation of marijuana.
Rev. Jeff Brown
Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church
656 E. Highway 50
Clermont, Florida 34711
(352) 242-0317
jab@...
Rev. Carl Olsen
Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church
P.O.Box 4091
Des Moines, Iowa 50333
(515) 288-5798
carl@...
Rev. Dennis Shields
Religion of Jesus
P.O. Box 828
Captain Cook, Hawaii 96704
(808) 328-9794
Rev. Roger Christy
Religion of Jesus / THC Ministry
P.O.Box 202
Hilo, Hawaii 96721
(808) 961-0488
pakaloha@...
Rev. Daniel Jeffries
Religion of Jesus
P.O.Box 1004
Pahoa, Hawaii 96778
(808) 956-7514
clearcloud9@...
clearcloud9@...
Rev. David Jack
Founder of Northern Lights Church of God
P.O.Box 392
Altaville, California 95221
(209) 736-0297
jacks@...
Rev. Andy Kinnon
Northern Lights Church of God
24651 Doria
Mission Viejo, California 92691
(949) 457-0999
pastorandy@...
Rev. Chris Demars
Northern Lights Church of God
21452 Crestview Drive
Sonora, California 95370
(209) 553-1564
debjane@...
Sister Somoyah
Founder of Nigritian Kief Society
824 West 40th Place
Los Angeles, California
(323) 232 - 0935
sistersomayah@...
Joan Bello
Author of Physical, Spiritual, Psychological Benefits of Marijuana
P.O.Box 623
Oneonta, New York 13820
(607) 263-5894
Dennis Peron
Author / Organizer of California Proposition 215
3745 17th Street
San Francisco, California 94114
(415) 864-1961
Dana BealCures not Wars9 Bleeker Street
New York, New York 10012
(212) 677-4899
dana@...
Steve McWilliams
Founder of Shelter from the Storm
4763 Wilson Ave
San Diego, California 92116
(619) 528-1850
shelterfromthestorm@...
Richard Davis
Founder of Hemp Museum
825 North LaJolla Ave
Los Angeles, California 90046
(323) 658-8829
Rev. Eddy Lepp
Founder of Eddy's Medicinal Gardens
P.O.Box 382
Upper Lake, California 95485
(707) 275-8879
eddy@...
Rev. Ras Makahna aka Benny Gurrero
Subject of the Gurrero Decision (2002)
8398 Mango Way
Buena park, California 90620
(714) 484-1343
religiousfreedomnow@...
Rev. John Stahl
Founder of the Church of the Living Tree
P.O.Box 64
Leggett, California 95855
(707) 925-6494
tree@...
Rev. Robert Schmidt aka Captain Duke
Founder of Genesis 1:29
463 Ely Road
Petaluma, California 94954
(707) 849-6372
TWorden36@...
Twvirtualbussvc@...
Rev. Ron Kacieniski
P.O.Box 1501
Lucerne, California 95458
(707) 274-9115
Rev. Lee Philips
Hilo Hawaii
(808) 985-7066
Hilorevalee@...
Rev. Nancy Harris
Founder of Sacred Truth Mission
P.O.Box 7463
Hilo, Hawaii 96720
(808) 934-7087
ozarkrastasistren@...
Rev. Hal Bradley
Our Church Ministries
P.O.Box 198
Granite Falls, Washington 98252
(360) 691-7480
pbradleydd@...
Rev. Meghan Jones
PMB 199
4700 Vestal Parkway East
Vestal, New York 13850
(607) 648-3849
RevMeghan@...
Danuel D. Quaintance
Church of Cognizance
Hcr 1 Box 4352
Pima, Arizona 85543
(928) 485 2952
iam4liberty@...
Rev. Howard Baker
Inner Circle Native American Church of Arkansas
P.O.Box 230
Fayetteville, Arkansas 72702
revhowardbaker@...
Rev.'s Laura and Bill Manypenny
Our Church Inc.
14493 N. Wedington Blacktop
Washington County 33
Fayetteville, Arkansas
(479) 846-3284
Rev. Clinton Wiles
Our Church Inc.
827 North West 32nd
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73118
(405) 557-1340
revreal@...
Lane Larrieu
Our Church Inc.
9408 Cerelle Dr.
Little Rock, Arkansas 72205
(501) 224-2769
Rev. Tom Brown
Founder of Our Church Inc. / First Church of the Magi
P.O.Box 2827
Fayetteville, Arkansas 72702
(479) 251-1780
revtombrown@...From: revtombrown@...Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:53 PM
Dear Tom:
Thank you for your interest in the grants program administered by the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP). Having reviewed your letter of inquiry, it is unlikely that we would fund your proposal at this time, as we are not yet convinced that your litigation strategy is viable. Additionally, due to financial limitations and priorities of the MPP grants program, we need to be exceptionally conservative about funding litigation to support the right to use marijuana religiously.
We greatly appreciate your commitment to marijuana policy reform and your interest in the grants program administered by MPP. For more information, please see our grant guidelines at http://www.mpp.org/grants on the Web. Thanks again.
Sincerely,
Stephanie Vogel
Grants and Hiring Manager
Marijuana Policy Project
P.O. Box 77492, Capitol Hill
Washington, D.C. 20013
Tel: 202-462-5747 x126
Fax: 202-232-0442
svogel@...-------From: njeffsun@...I have a new email address
I will not recive any mail from old site so
new address is www.sunshinefarms@...
I hope all had a good time last year
I think this year is gooding to be better.
Good times
Jeffery Lee Nunes Jr.-------From: jlatta@...I am interested in joining in the May day weekend March by organizing a march in my home town of Grass Valley, CA. Please send me info and such. My name is John Latta and you can E-mail me at festivaljohn@...
Thank You John---------
From: emeraldempirehempfest@...We're looking for a miracle.
After last year's unfortunate experience of having to cancel the Emerald Empire HempFest 2004 (get the whole story at our website www.oregonhempfest.com), we want to make sure the Eugene HempFest 2005 is as big of a success as the Emerald Empire HempFest 2003 was.
We've had pledges of $1000 ($500 from the THC Foundation, $500 anonymously). This leaves us $1000 short. We need to be at the Eugene Parks Office at 8:00am Monday, January 3, with $2000 and a completed park use application to secure the Alton Baker Park for the Eugene HempFest 2005, July 16 & 17.
We need help to assure that this year's event will happen!
If you've received a duplicate of this message, we apologize. We're just trying to reach everyone we can from all of the lists we have.Dan Koozer
Upcoming events:
Eugene HempFest 2005
July 16-17, Eugene, Oregon
Our new website is under construction, please check it out from time to time: www.oregonhempfest.com
Emerald Empire HempFest
PO Box 10957
Eugene, Oregon 97440-2957
(541) 434-2377
Watch EUGENE CANNABIS TV on Cable Channel 22/29 EVERY WEEK Wed 8:30 pm, Thurs 8:30am, Monday 11:30pm and Tues 11:30amhttp://eugenecannabistv.home.comcast.net
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Please forward widely! Million Marijuana March. MMM.
The MMM 2005 city links are always clickable at these mirrors below.
MMM world map with many more links. Frequently updated:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005map.htm and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.Worldwide.
With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's9 million prisoners!:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm
MMM (Million Marijuana March).
City list and world map:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction*************************BUSHWHACKED!!****************************From: heff01@...Gee, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell was a co-chair for Bush/Cheney's Ohio campaign, and NOW public hearings are being held, after the official recount has already been certified and the state's 20 electors have already voted, although most of the votes suppressed were not counted initially or in the recount! How conveeenient! Hundreds of thousand of Ohio voters may have been disenfranchised.http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/ohio1230.php
"A black man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."---JC Watts Sr. (his son, JC Jr., is a former NFL player and formerly the only Black Republican in Congress.) Boy, Sanders must be paying Blackwell and Clarence Thomas good money in their work toward cranking the clock back and the temperature up for the hen house.Conyers to Object to Ohio Electors, Requests Senate Allies
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/123104W.shtmlOhio's Official Non-Recount Ends, New Mexico Fraud Investigatedhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010105B.shtml'Mangroves Can Act as Shield Against Tsunami'http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122904V.shtmlTsunami Disaster May Affect Two Civil Warshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/123004Z.shtmlFrom: Panmail@...Greetings,
It goes without saying, these are strange days.
As American soldiers prove their courage and 100,000 fallen civillians
trouble their minds, coverage of incoming U.S. troop coffins is prohibited by
strategic design.
While well-paid private contractors truck oil through Iraq, poorly paid U.S. troops
scrounge for scrap to armor their vans, to accompany oil men in a no-bid contract,
as the White House prepares for the Inaugural Ball, with millions of dollars from
donors crowding the Hall.
In Ohio, USA, still the battleground state, with New Year's approach,
they're still counting the votes.
The Next Step:
The New York Times' front page Dec. 24 headline reports, "Voting Problems in Ohio
Spur Call for Overhaul," quoting Bob Fitrakis, editor of FreePress.org, "Somebody came up
with a very sophisticated plan for machine distribution which, either by accident or design,
greatly enhanced the president."
FreePress.org reports in a Dec. 15 story entitled, "American Democracy Hangs by
a Thread in Ohio," covering Ohio hearings on voter fraud:
"Riveting testimony followed from Clinton Curtis, a Tallahassee-based computer programmer who told the hearing he had been hired by US Rep Tom Feeney, then Speaker of the Florida House, to write a program that would conceal the theft of an election. Curtis said Feeney was then a lobbyist for a major computer company as well as Speaker. Curtis said Feeney wanted a program that could use voting machines to "flip an election" without being detected.
Under questioning Curtis said a program could be written that would protect the security of voting machines, but that it had not been deployed in Ohio. He said it would be a simple matter, involving perhaps 100 lines of code and some simple switches, to turn an entire election.
"One person in a simple tab machine can affect thousands of votes," Curtis testified.
"There is absolutely no assurance of anything on those machines."
And at an evening hearing in Toledo, stunning new sworn testimony revealed that Diebold technicians have tainted official voting machines before a recount could be done, irrevocably compromising the process.
Among other things eye witnesses confirmed that a Diebold programming team entered the Lucas County (Toledo) Board of Elections to "reprogram" the opti-scan voting machines on the day the recount began.
On January 6, Congress is scheduled to vote on whether or not to approve the tally of electors, including Ohio's tainted 20 votes.
This year at least 14 members of the House of Representatives will demand an immediate "investigation of the efficacy of the voting machines and new technologies used in 2004 election.."
Their action requires the consent of a single Senator, which did not come in 2001. As the battle to save democracy rages in Ohio and elsewhere, January, 2005, could be very different."-FreePress.
The story of most major media failing to report on election fraud in the U.S. is a major problem.
Most corporate media giants are not going to report on their own failings.
But the election fraud story is more sinister than u might think.
Former NSA official under Reagan, Washington, DC investigative journalist and contributor
to OnlineJournal.com, Wayne Madsen, has been reporting on the July 2003 death ofRay C. Lemme from Florida's DOT Inspector General's Office, who was investigating
corruption and touch-screen voting manipulation.
(For more info, Google Search: Wayne Madsen).
In December, thousands sent messages to House Reps through active site:
www.thepen.us/contest.html, helping to urge House Reps to contest the election.
Recently, UnitedForPeace.org, an organization fighting for social justice,
forwarded info on the next step.
In short, Congress on Jan.6, will have the opportunity to challenge 2004 election results
if just one Senator joins with the House Reps to investigate.
Below are email addresses to some of the most progressive Senators u can
contact with a brief message.
My message to them read:
Dear Senator,
Thanks for your work. I realize you are overwhelmed and fighting against the odds,
but I implore you with deepest sincerity to join minority House members on Jan. 6
and contest the 2004 Florida, New Mexico and particularly Ohio election results.
Though most major media fails to inform the public on election fraud in the U.S.,
the fight for the right to vote is the civil rights movement of our time.
This issue must be addressed. Otherwise, no American will have a choice.
The principle of American freedom is in your hands.
Sincerely, Chris Pan Launois
Feel free to copy my message to send to Senators below, but try to include your
own personal comment as well. Time is of the essence.
Write to:
Senator Russ Feingold, (202) 224-5323,
russ_feingold@...
Senator Tom Harkin, (202) 224-3254,
tom_harkin@...
Senator Jim Jeffords, (202) 224-5141,
Vermont@...
Senator Patrick Leahy, (202) 224-4242,
senator_leahy@...
That's it for now.
Don't let them fool ya.'
Good luck,
Chris Panwww.thepan.comFrom:HSLotsof@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Dr. Hurwitz's Legal Defense Fund
Conflict Over Pain Management Heats Up as Mainstream Medical Groups Wake Up
12/24/04
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/368/conflict.shtml The long-simmering
battle between federal drug law enforcers and pain management doctors,
patients,
and academics over the proper use of opioid pain medications such as
Oxycontin
is turning white hot. Between the Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA)
sudden reversal on a years-long collaborative effort with academic pain
specialists over what constitutes acceptable opioid prescribing (
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/365/faq.shtml) and the recent successful
Justice Department
prosecution of nationally known pain treatment pioneer Dr. William Hurwitz,
mainstream medical organizations and personalities that had up until now been
quietly complacent have begun to go on the offensive.
With tens of millions of Americans suffering from chronic pain and federal
drug enforcers hell-bent on cracking down on what they term an "epidemic" of
prescription drug diversion and abuse, pain patients and doctors have been
caught
in the middle. The crisis in pain treatment has been building for years, as
zealous state and federal prosecutors go after pain treatment doctors they
accuse of being no better than drug dealers. Doctors, unsurprisingly, are
proving
increasingly reluctant to prescribe opioid pain relievers or even to treat
pain patients with opioids for fear of spending the rest of their lives in
prison, a fate that has already befallen some doctors and one that Dr.
Hurwitz faces
when he is sentenced in March.
Pain doctors, patients and advocates fought back on several fronts this
month. This week, three major medical associations representing pain
specialists
harshly and publicly criticized the DEA's sudden reversal on the prescribing
guidelines for opioids. Those guidelines, which took the form of a "Pain
FAQ,"
were the result of a multi-year collaboration between the DEA and academic
pain
specialists. They were posted on the DEA web site in August, but jerked down
again weeks later without notice to the academics and replaced shortly
thereafter with revised guidelines that stiffened the DEA's attitude toward
what it
termed improper prescribing. The letter, signed by the presidents of theAmerican Pain Society (APS), the American Academy of Pain Medicine (AAPM),
and the
American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) called the new DEA policy
guidelines "an unfortunate step backward" that will only lead to "an
adversarial
relationship between doctors and the DEA."
The DEA responded with a statement from spokesman Bill Grant, who said the
agency "wishes to reassure the public that the withdrawal of the August
statement does not represent any change in DEA's investigative emphasis or
approach.
Physicians acting in good faith and in accordance with established medical
norms should remain confident that they may continue to dispense appropriate
pain
medications."
Drug czar John Walters also attempted to address the growing controversy. At
a Tuesday press conference, Walters told reporters that "synthetic opioids
are
of enormous medical benefit for people," but undercut himself with pain
advocates by going on to say that among the doctors prosecuted as Dr.
Feelgoods
"there were not even any close calls."
The pain associations weren't buying it. Citing what they called "the
over-aggressive prosecutions" of pain doctors, pharmacists, and other health
professionals, the association presidents said that while the DEA says it
does not
want to stop doctors from adequately treating chronic pain with opioids, the
new
guidelines "will undoubtedly have the exact opposite effect on any
practitioner reading them."
The association presidents, APS president Dennis Turk, AAPM president Samuel
Hassenbusch, and ASAM president Lawrence Brown, zeroed in on the DEA's
assertion that merely prescribing high doses of opioid pain relievers can
lead to a
doctor being investigated. Such statements will have a chilling effect on the
practice of pain medicine, they wrote. "Reading that the government can
investigate merely on suspicion that the law is being violated will send
chills down
the spine of practitioners who are treating patients with [narcotic
painkillers] and will certainly contribute to the undertreatment or
non-treatment of
moderate to severe chronic pain."
"The bottom line on this letter is that if the DEA thought changes were
needed, it should have engaged in a little more discussion about it and get
everyone on board," said Chuck Weber, spokesman for the American Pain
Society. "There
was a real change in tone between what was agreed upon and posted in August
and the revised guidelines issued last month," he told DRCNet. "The main
concern was the lack of dialogue."
"This letter is absolutely a positive move," said Dr. Frank Fisher, a
California pain specialist who was prosecuted and ultimately exonerated over
his
opioid prescribing practices and who served as a defense consultant in the
Hurwitz
trial. "Those academics spent years working with the DEA to come up with
reasonable guidelines, but then the DEA jerked them down and didn't do the
courtesy of notifying them," he told DRCNet. "The DEA has an absolute
obligation to
work with the academic community in promulgating guidelines, but what they
have
done is abrogate that responsibility and their duty to regulate controlled
substances in a matter that makes them available to patients who need them."
The American Academy of Physicians and Surgeons, which for years has been
waging a lonely struggle within the profession to protect opioid-prescribing
doctors, also welcomed the intervention by the pain association heads. "Even
though we weren't fans of the FAQ," said academy spokesperson Kathryn Serkes,
"at
least with them you got something on paper. You want government agencies to
commit to something on paper so you know where the bar is, but when the bar
keeps
moving at the whim of prosecutors and investigators, you've got a real
problem," she told DRCNet. "Doctors and patients are literally at the mercy
of
prosecutors and the DEA. We've been angry about this for years -- it's about
time
some of the other physicians' groups got angry, too. They've been manipulated
and made fools of. At this point, anger is an appropriate response."
Another broadside against Justice Department tactics came in a December 10letter from six past presidents of the American Pain Society harshly
criticizing
the testimony of yet another past APS president, Dr. Michael Ashburn, as an
expert prosecution witness in the recently concluded Hurwitz trial.
Prosecutors
in that case used Ashburn to suggest to jurors that Hurwitz' practice was
outside the scope of accepted medical procedure and that prescribing large
amounts of opioids was, too.
But the APS past presidents disagreed in blunt terms. "We are stunned by his
testimony," the letter said. "As leaders in this field, we feel compelled to
correct the errors in his testimony, lest it be used in the future in a
manner
that worsens the national tragedy of untreated pain." Ashburn's testimony was
filled with "serious misrepresentations" and "factually wrong or serious
misstatements of consensus in the field," they wrote. In one example, the
past
presidents pointed out that Ashburn testified that the use of "high dose"
opioid
therapy, which Hurwitz practiced, was an indication of drug abuse in people
not
suffering from chronic pain from cancer.
"It is factually untrue that this is a consensus opinion of pain experts,"
the past APS presidents wrote. "We strongly hold the view that patients with
non-cancer pain may benefit from opioid therapy and that the dose necessary
to
control pain may be high. Use of 'high dose' opioid therapy for chronic pain
is
clearly in the scope of medicine." Ashburn's characterizations of what
constituted "high dose" opioid therapy was so low as to be simply "absurd,"
the
doctors added.
Similarly, Ashburn testified that prescribing opioids to patients with
addiction problems is medically unacceptable. "This is not the view of
experienced
clinicians in the field," the past presidents complained. "It is unacceptable
to promulgate the view that the disease of addiction automatically denies
patients with severe pain the possibility of relief through careful opioid
therapy," they wrote.
"We will try to correct the public record after the trial concludes and
sincerely hope that the government and the court will consider this
information
now," concluded the letter from Russell Portenoy, MD, chairman of the
Department
of Pain Medicine and Palliate Care at Beth Israel Medical Center; James N.
Campbell, MD, director of the Blaustein Pain Treatment Center at the Johns
Hopkins University Medical Center; Kathleen Foley, MD, of Pain & Palliative
Care
Services at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center; Charles Cleeland, PhD,
director of the Pain Research Group at the University of Texas MD Anderson
Cancer
Center; Christine Miaskowski, RN PhD, chair of the Department of Nursing at
the
University of California San Francisco; and Richard Payne, MD, director of
the
Duke University Care at the End of Life program. According to Fisher,
however, though the letter was seen by the judge, it was not shown to the
jury.
Ashburn, who currently works for a pharmaceutical company that is developing
products that would compete against opioid pain relievers, declined a DRCNet
offer to comment either in general or on the specifics of the accusations
against him.
"This letter publicly criticizing Ashburn has enormous significance," said
Dr. Fisher. "What Ashburn did in his testimony is similar to what so-called
experts have been doing to doctors all over the country, but this time it
came out
in the closely watched trial of a prominent and well-respected physician.
This time they didn't get away with it."
"They are finally waking up," exclaimed Siobhan Reynolds, executive director
of the pain patients and doctors advocacy group the Pain Relief Network (
http://www.painreliefnetwork.org). "What happened to Dr. Hurwitz symbolizes
the
vulnerability of doctors who treat pain with opioids. The medical profession
knows this and can't deny it. Dr. Hurwitz is a political prisoner, it's as
simple
as that," she told DRCNet. "He refused to plead guilty and now they are
making
an example of him. But his example is serving to awaken political
consciousness among physicians. That makes me slightly optimistic," she toldDRCNet.
Even the American Medical Association is finally bestirring itself. The
largest doctors' organization in the country voted at its Interim Meeting in
Atlanta this month to "support interpreting federal law in a way that would
let
doctors continue to write pain medication prescriptions for patients in need,
while letting the government provide oversight and regulation to minimize
risks to
patients' health and safety," according to this week's AMA newsletter. The
groups will "voice concerns to DEA over pain medication prescribing policy,"
the
newsletter added.
The AMA did not mention the prosecutions of pain management physicians, but
it did express concern about the mysterious vanishing Pain FAQ and its new,
hard-line replacement. "The AMA will work with the DEA to address physician
concerns that an interim policy statement published by the agency in November
could
interfere with the way doctors prescribe opioid analgesic medications to some
patients," the report said. "Doctors worry that the statement could make it
illegal to write multiple pain medication prescriptions for a patient on the
day of a visit and evaluation. Physicians also worry that they no longer
could
legally write directions for dispensing additional medication on future,
specified dates."
AAPS' Serkes pronounced herself "optimistic but cautious" about the AMA
pronouncement. "I hope it's not just for show," she said. "A couple of years
ago
the AMA came out with similar pronouncements, they said they were going to
make
this an issue, but then did nothing. Something has to happen now. We are at
the point where -- and it is painful to say this -- we are recommending to
doctors that they not prescribe opioids in treating pain. Not that doctors
are
waiting to hear from us. I quietly hear from doctors on a regular basis that
they
will not treat pain patients for fear of the consequences. That doesn't make
the news, it doesn't have a high profile, but there is another doctor who
will
not be treating pain patients."
The battle over heavy-handed DEA and Justice Department regulation of the
practice of pain medicine is far from over, but now, at least, it appears the
battle has been joined by the medical mainstream.
(Meanwhile, Dr. Hurwitz sits in federal detention awaiting sentencing and an
appeal. That appeal will cost $60,000 that Hurwitz doesn't have and needs to
raise by mid-January, said Reynolds. Reynolds and the Pain Relief Network
have
established a Hurwitz Defense Fund. People interested in contributing can
send
checks made out to Pain Relief Network -- write "Hurwitz Defense Fund" in the
memo -- and send to PRN at P.O. Box 231054, New York, NY, 10023.
Contributions are tax-deductible. Let them know you heard about it fromDRCNet.)****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW $1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:nick227@...
Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell - att Jasen
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@...]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:34
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell - att Jasen
Hi Jasen,
Forgive me for saying this (100% respect intended) but I am sorry, I dont think it is that simple.
Lee,
The truth is very simple when it hits. It is insanely simple. I was in the Humaniversity in Holland, very spaced out on the AUM Marathon after several days not sleeping and I saw it for a few milliseconds. Like the mind is created entirely by light, the world is created entirely of light, and there is no possibility that anything isn't actually light. All there is is the IDEA that something isn't, the IDEA that it isn't total in itself, that it needs something, that it's a bit fucked up. All this vast cosmos of light can create to make anyone even be bothered to look at it is the IDEA that it needs something to make it into something. That's all there is in this vast lightness, the IDEA that there is something which ISN'T light itself, an idea created itself out of light. Light amusing itself with the idea that it isn't light. And out of this, shit, you can create such complexity! It's hysterical. The ego this, and the soul this, and my parents this, and my traumas that, and all this stuff we all do, but all it takes is a few milliseconds of seeing just how insanely fucking simple it really is and it takes it all away. And maybe it comes back but then somewhere you know it's bullshit.
Nick
In my experience we live from life to life and traumas from earliers life's can be stored in the soul. I think a lot of the work with ibogaine/eboga is actually healing of the soul. This means that the soul can be in different states and if for example, a soul is deeply afflicted, the loss of the ego does not in itself remove the affliction.
Your experience of the ego dropping away and entering into a blissful union is imo in the words of the myth of the Holy Grail, a first taste of the Holy Grail cup. The first taste comes free. The next comes at a price. With eboga I have found it can selectively suppress the awareness of trauma etc to focus that person onto a specific experience (for a learning to be gained) and in your case I would say it gave you a blissful experience by such a mechanism to show you what can be.
I cannot and will not comment on the state of your soul but i suspect that there is a reason why you became drawn to dope etc in the first place and I think it is fair to say that those reasons will rise up and challenge you in the months that come. Those initial reasons will also have spawned secondary issues. There are different ways you can deal with those issues. Another post...
Hence if a given soul is suffering at different levels, it cannot imo then walk into the union of bliss etc post death as it is incapable of experiencing the whole as it is not itself whole. It has to be healed and made whole.
In my opinion this is all about growing the soul and learning the lessons for the soul to mature and find its place among the transcended who exist and are conscient beings on another level imo.
You say we all go to "Heaven." Is it that easy? Not really. There are rewards for those who chose the light and work to overcome the dark that plagues them and who learn their lessons. If one poisons ones own soul from life to life rather than do the work and move towards the light of the common good, then there is no heaven that that soul is capable of experiencing. It actomatically creates its own hell of seperation. And I do believe there comes a point where there is no turning back.
There is such a thing as free will and through free will we chose our own heaven or hell. Free will would be pointless if there were no consequences.
Losing the ego is not the end of the story imo.
Love & Light,
Lee
Preston Peet <ptpeet@...> wrote:
right on, well put Jasen, this was beautiful and I needed to be reminded of
a few points you made herein, so thanks heartfeltedly.
;-))
Peace and love,
Preston
"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jasen Chamoun"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] belief systems
> Hey Kirsty
>
> There is no hell,as you probably already know.
> Every one goes to Heaven.Eventually.
> I understand that this is hard to swallow
> I understand what you are saying and I assume you are refering
> to politics and not Lee.
>
> Politics and most pharm' companies make me angry too.
> I understand your frustration Kirsty. Capt.
>
> If and when He comes he comes for everyone,sinners and (if there is such a
> thing)Non sinners.
> He takes no one to hell,He makes no judgment.He see's who we truly
> are,..all of us.
> The decision to go with him is within us.The choice is ours,free will.
>
> No I am not religious,but I believe in the way,the
> Buddha,Krishna,Baha'u'lla'h Muhammad,Jesus
> and many other masters that have walked the earth.
> Masters that Knew who they truly were.Who knew they were one with all,who
> could see who we all were.
>
> In my opinion we are all beings from another realm,pretending to be
> human.Humans...Being.
> We are here to experience what we know to be conceptually true.
>
> I have seen people jump from planes,however I would like to feel it> myself,knowing is not enough.
>
> Why would a father throw his child into ever lasting fire,could any father
> do such a thing.
> What is their to gain.
>
> My experience with the Iboga was that the ego falls away into a black
> abyss,and you return to the loving
> bright wondrous light,turn and face the light,have no fear,
> I was smeltered with love and light,like I was cleansed so I could return
> to the whole,like purifying gold.
>
> There was no judgment,simply what do you wish to experience now my
> beautiful child.
> You can do anything you choose,remember who you are.
> I experienced being pure love,when my mouth opened love and light just
> poured out,it was pure bliss.
> I was connected to the whole,I could experience whatever I chose,I had a
> roulet wheel of people to experience.
>
> Guess who I chose?I do not have the words to describe the love,the feeling
> of even more than love,like there
> was something even bigger.(what can be bigger and more powerful than
> love)It was like breathing steam onto a mirror
> Hhoooooooh except it was love,light and more I do not yet understand
> comming from my mouth,I am getting goose bumps.
> It was bigger and more wondorous than anything I could have ever imagined.
>
> They say when you take Iboga/Ibogaine you experience what it is like when
> you leave this plain.YES.
>
> I always felt that we never die,we just go home,now I know it with every
> fibre of my being,
> as I was shown.
> Love Jasen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirsty Sutherland"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] belief systems
>
>
>> Well, when your radical Christian beliefs state that you can ruff up the
>> planet as much as you want cos Jesus is a comin' and he's gonna make
>> things
>> a-ok again for all the non-sinners and take all them sinners to hell....
>> so
>> they don't really care what they do....they'll be looked after come
>> Judgement day.
>> Oh joyyyyyy.
>> Kirsty
>>
>>>
>> The planet is dying and billions are starving. I would really like to
>> know
>> where in the bible George Bush found his inspiration to follow his deeply
>> held Christian views and pursue this path he is now on?
>> Obviously there is something lacking from my Christian training. Do you
>> think if I pray hard enough to Jesus he will inspire me to start a war
>> too?
>>>> Lee
>>From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] att Faith and son
Faith,
I've extended no friendly hand in your direction really, and for that I apologize. But I cfeel I must speak up here in response to Ron's well meaning post.
If methadone helps keep your son from troubles with police, keeps him from buying street drugs and/or overdosing on street substances in which he has no idea what poisons and other craps has been cut, if it helps keep him employeed, living with less stress, in touch with professional care and counseling, then by all means help him get onto methadone. Keeping clean because methadone is "evil" then winding up back on street dope because he wasn't ready to be clean and he was convinced not to go the methadone route because it's reputed evilness, that would be not so good. This is just my opinion, and I am not overly fond of methadone, but in my own personal experience, I did very well while on methadone and was able to really turn my life around in major ways. I eventually grew tired of being on it, but I will never, under the form of prohibition we have today anyway, tell other people to not consider methadone. It is a useful tool in our society today for SOME people and should be as available as ibogaine and other tools too. Everyone reacts differently. I'm sure you probably know all this and won't be convinced just by Ron's single post on the issue, but I did feel I should say something.
Peace and love,PrestonFrom:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you? Dr Shinderman in Chicago is the only meth Doc that prescribes those kinds of dosages. He has a patient on 2400 mgs of meth and he states she functions well. It is so easy to get the dose you want there that there is little to no illicit meth in Chicago. Tell him you wan to go up and its done. Drop a dirty and you are not punished but your dose is increased.
On one hand, those patients seem to stop smoking crack, etc.,. so there the positive.
On the other hand-They are never ever getting off. I have seen Ibo get someone on 280 mgs meth clean but it was shaky and hard. He was smart enough to go to 90 day residential treatment after IBO because the Post acute withdrawal/mostly anxiety even post IBO was huge,,,,but he made it and has 6 months clean.
Will IBO work for 600 of Meth- Highly doubtful I fearFrom:HSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: 600mls of methadone.where are you?
HJi Schmoolyboy,
600mg is just a number and Shinderman is one of the best methadone doctors
around. He is a research/hands on doctor. He actially treats patients rather
than being a figurehead doctor as exist in many clinics.
Concerning treating patients on 600+mg of methadone. I think Sara has the
technology down. If you have a high methadone dose patient, stay with them and
treat and treat and retreat with ibogaine and whatever else it takes until the
job is done. Being locked into a single dose paradigm is not practicing
medicine as I am sure you understand.
Warmest wishes for the holidays and the new year.
Regards as always,HowardFrom:jimhadey3@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] To DH From JIM - God and Bush Hi DH,
From what I heard they were planning this Iraq War back in 1975, of course I don't believe everything I here. Of course I would not be surprised at anything I hear either.
Now, I know your an agnostic, if I am not mistaken, but I could be wrong. But think about it, if there is a GOD who do you think he would go to to get advice from? You say >>>Even Bush Sr knew better than to invade iraq.<<< At least Bush Sr had an ounce of brains, he was in charge of the C.I.A. for awhile. Yes, he had enough sense not to occupy Iraq or else his advisors did, thank God (no offense).
All throughout the Bible God has spoken to great men and some not so great. Once as a burning bush, then a voice from the mountain and to Noah. Yea, I'll spare you the details. Now, just because God talks to ya don't mean your loseing your mind. Look at Oral Roberts, he saw Jeses and he was either 8 or 10 feet tall, you know he would not lie.
Depleted Uranium is perfectly safe as long as you don't breath it in or come in contact with it. As you know even a billionth of a gram can kill you with cancer in a few years. And it is a painful death. But in 4 1/2 million years (or billion, I forget) years it will be all gone and safe for kids to play there.
You say GIs must buy their own armour. Look what they get already. Those soldiers that are stationed in Germany qualify for food stamps. There are many voulenteers that rehabilitate the soldiers when they get part of their body blowen away. See, they had it on TV - Honest. They said that those injured like a blowen off leg have voulenteers come in and give of their time and services, it was on 60 minutes. See how smart Bush is, he is saving the taxpayers millions by having the voulenteers come in and help. Think now, D.H. you can't have tax cuts for the rich and have it trickel down to us if we don't cut corners. They do this by using the voulenteers and when the soldier is in the hospital he really has no need for money so they charge them for the meals, what's wrong with that?
Yes, Rumsfeld made mistakes but who doesn't, except for "W". "W" can't be everywhere at once. In fact he was so busy on a classified mission he did not report for duty for months. What could be be doing? Of course a top secret classified mission which explanes why he was never charged with anything. It also explains why the paper work can not be found;).
"W" never uses the word torture because he doesn't allow it. "W", is honest and says that they sometimes make them feel uncomfortable, which is a lot different than torture. Torture is physical abuse or psychological abuse like beatings, rape, humiliation and electrical shock. Of course Bush would not stand for anything like this.
Now, in all honesty, Bush SR. had some brains. And you probably think "W" is one of the dumbest people in the Bush family. WRONG. They had his brother on TV, not the govenor of FL, and he was suppose to be under oath and they were asking him questions, I forget what it was all about but it was on TV about 2-3 weeks ago. They asked him questions like did a naked women ever come to your door while you were in such and such a country. He said he couldn't remember. Now you got to be a busy, hard working man not to remember something like that. I remember everytime a naked women that I didn't know came to my door and had sex with me. He should of just said yes, wish them guys would do that again, even if I have to pay. Really, he was dumber than George "W". Oh, I wonder if he will run for president. With those black boxes, with no paper trail and three private companies counting our votes it is possible. So in four more years you might have to hear them yell four more years. Yep, it is now possible. Of course all the ingredients for a world war is in place, we may not have 4 more years.
And since it has been a long time since I talked to you I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, no I am not being smartass. We don't have to agree on everything, but I do remember when we did not agree that we treated each other with respect and dignity. So please accept the Seasons Greetings in the mannor in which it was inteded. Me, I have been getting better, using less in the last week than anytime in the last 6 months and hope to get better and better as time goes by. Then I hope to stay clean. You seem to be doing GREAT, if I get to be as clean as you I'll be happy.
Best to ya,
- JIMFrom:JasenHappy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Brad Hey Brad,
I also believe that when you are ready, there is a way
with Iboga/Ibogaine.It would simply be a matter of
gradual steps, I believe.
It seems to take away most of the underlying causes
of our addictions in the first place.It gives me a
stronger choice.
I have a friend that I used to go to school with,..
a school fling type of thing.
I lost contact with her for many years,then one day
saw her at the clinic.
I was shocked to see her there. I remembered her innocence,
I could still see her, the weight of addiction looked to heavy
for her to carry. She was so fragile.
She had two children,fighting to get off the done
again and again,....you know how it goes.
When I am stronger,I look forward to seeing her and
saying, "Deborah,..I found a way ,there is a door,..it's unbelievable
I can show when your ready.
Love Jasen.From:myeboga@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell - att Jasen Hi Nick,
I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
I hit send on my TV
internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
this one "brief."
In the same way there is probably a unifying field
theory that
explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
there is also
a source from which all comes and through the power of
creation,
which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
created.
If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
what has derived
from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
spiritual and work to
integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
enourages ignorance of one
or the other.
I have a question for you:
Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
through the eboga
spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
they be ignored or is
a certain amount of gratiude in order?
A Happy New Year to youLeeFrom:JasenHappy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Donna. Hey Donna,
I think buprenorphine is most definitely easier
to come off than Methadone,..as you know.
Donna,..in my humble opinion,we need to get rid
of the underlying cause,..so it becomes easier
not to relapse.
For me, Iboga/Ibogaine took a lot of the underlying
reasons away.
It is like it gives me a clearer choice,..I can cut through
all the bullsh*t. It seemed to heal from the inside out,..
not completely,..but enough.
Day 41,..I am in love with everything.
My body is still a big baby,..my nervous system is to alive.
I am feeling a lot stronger,..though I tire easily.
No nicotine,.though I wouldn't mind a ciggie now and again,
I am smoking cannabis,..it helps big time with the tiny withdrawals.
No heroin...not interested,no craving. Of course no Methadone.
The sugar (over the top) addiction,..gone.No craving for sugar
until I see a deadly desert at a coffee shop, I will think Mmmm
but the no choice is easy.
I think going on to the buep is a great idea if you are
using and choose not to.
Love Jasen.
From:kosmocraterhater@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Donna and Bupe Q
Hi List
Has anyone come off using subutex (buprenorphine??) Im really want to stop
using and really can not afford ibogaine i have done the sub before stayed
clean for a year and started using again. I wondered what dose to start withlast time i started at 16mg i thought this was to high.I would appreciate any advice.
love donna
What and how much are you using?. And are you sure you started with 16mg?. Its totally possible, though induction usually begins a bit lower, as the bupe 'displaces' the dope, done', whatever is in there. Dope is a bit easier to switch from. You were on it for a year, so you know how it works kinda.
If you have some left over suboxone and your asking how to detox yourself or switch, i would do like this:
Do 'last' bag(s) of dope. wait 12 hours or until truly feeling withdrawl. wait until the goosebumps come . If you take bupe to soon, even though you think your sick(like few hours after last fix when nose starts runnin), you will feel kinda bad as the bupe will 'kickout' the heroin from the receptor site. I have found that waiting till i was sick enough and the bupe actually brought a little relief instead of sickness. (12 or so hours for me). I am now on Suboxone(though I did do ibogaine) and prescribed 6mg a day. This took about a week to totally work, meaning that i still felt a little off now and then. I just had a half bundle or 3to4 80's a day habit, nothing huge, so It wasn't horrible. individual variations applicable :-)
Now, if we suppose a bundle(100-200mgs of dimorphine) a day for a few months is the 'size of habit', and the dope is decent, I would, after the 12 hours has passed, take ONE 2mg suboxone(or subutex preferrably at induction then switch to subutex). If you feel ok to take another in a few hours, ok.
A total of 6mg the first day is good and on day two, 8 mg is ok.
you can go to 12 if need be but 8 I have found is around where the ceiling effect kicks in.(bupe seems to have a ceiling on the amount of effect it produces. Its only a partial MU agonist, which partly explains this. So it means that above a certain dose, bupe dosen't do anything more(in simple terms).
I don't know, tell me donna, how did 16mg a day make you feel before. Why did you think it was too much?. Make you tired? Does bupe give you a feeling?(like say methadone) I find it doesn't, largely. Any euphoric feeling is a 'flicker' and then is only noticed at all only f you "look for it". It doesn't do much for me except what its supposed to. Cuts out the obsessivess over heroin and crew. Cuts out the urge to go do it. And I know if I did, I wouldn't really get a rush or a nod cuz the bupe beats the heroin out of the recptor site. So I don't do it. Haven't yet in a month and a half I've been on it. Did Ibogaine in sept. Used again in october(19th) and got on suboxone again in nov. I was on 16 mg last year but I didn't take it, just sold it and did herpin instead. Am on 6mg a day and feel OK. Still obsess a bit about dope and gang, and Methadone DID do a better job then bupe, but I can't afford methadone, that why I don't get back on. Was on it for nearly a decade at 120mg a day(clinic) and got off and withdrawls were NOT that bad.(not like a tornado of pain like a heroin kick, fast and fierce, but like a monsoon, slow and neverending,) Tolerable with bupe after 5 days off the methadone and have kicked DONE with and without bupe) surprisng to most folks but its true.
Now the 6 years of xanax/klonopin @12mg a day, that was bad, and that was same time as methadone.
###Sublingual absorbtion rates for suboxone are around 50-70% of buprenorphine is absorbed. almost none or 0.03% of the nalaxone makes it in. Even if 1 or 2% made it through, it still wouldn't have an effect.
Anyway, the sublingual route by-pass the metabolic mayhem of first pass liver metabolism. In most opiates and in bupe, this "kills" 50% or more of the dose. With buprenorphine, some metabolism is ok, cuz the metabolite norbuprenorphine is kinda active, but most of the effect is from bupe.Now, ANY OTHER ROUTE besides sublingual (with suboxone and due to nalaxone, parenterally is NOT an option and will be like narcan), is no good. Even holding the tablets between cheecks isn't effective, as buccal absorption rates(meaning cheek) are only 20-30% and the vessels from the cheek cause first pass metabolic destruction of bupe. Orally this is true as well and the amount the even passes the gut wall is only around 15-20%. and half that is killed right off the bat from the liver(same with the cheeks absorbtion). So, I said all this cuz key to sucess with suboxone is the proper dosage and proper dosage won't be achived without proper administration/absorbtion. Like when the tabs sit under your tounge and your mouth fills up with spit, don't swish around and cause the tabs on the sublingual floor to become dispersed into the mass of saliva, which usually only 'touches' the cheeks. Just keep the spit out of the way and let the tabs disolve with as little disruption as possible. Now that doesn't mean SWallow the spit, as A DECENT AMOUNT of bupe has collected in there anyway despite best efforts and its better for it to asorb through the cheeks or to put the whole mass under your tounge in 15 minutes/after the tabs dissolve, than to send it to your stomach where its gonna pass unabsrobed or if it is absorbed, killed off by the liver. So, in other words, keep tabs under tounge and don't swallow for 10 to 15 minutes. You should feel a difference.
There it is. Sorry it goes on and on. Please respond with any questions. No I'm not a doctor, as you can tell but am willing to say that my opinion is worthwhile.From:digital@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Ibogaine - Rite of Passage
Ibogaine - Rite of Passage is a documentary about that wunnerful substance which has brought all of us here, now, together, gathered in a large group, only scattered all over planet Earth, and other dimenshunZ.
It's a film by a very talented do0d named Ben De Loenen. It has been shown publicly in various places over the course of the last three months, and the final version is now completed. It will be available on DVD within 30-45 days.
You can view the Trailer here:
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Information regarding the film -- broadcast dates/stations/nations, and how to obtain the DVD -- will be posted here, as it becomes available.
HappY hOLIDAZe,PatrickFrom:nick227@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell - att Jasen
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Albert [mailto:myeboga@...]
Sent: 26 December 2004 16:37
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] belief systems: Heaven & Hell - att Jasen
Hi Nick,
I wrote a considered reply but it got gobbled up when
I hit send on my TV
internet connection back in Ireland. So I will keep
this one "brief."
Hi Lee,
Aha! See even the telly is trying to help you out!
In the same way there is probably a unifying field
theory that
explains all phenomena in this dimension, I believe
there is also
a source from which all comes and through the power of
creation,
which you and jasen have alluded, much has been
created.
there is no unifying field theory. the universe IS a unified field. it
doesn't need a theory in order to be. The occasional desire that rises in
humans to create unifying field theories is merely the field having fun with
itself. There is nothing outside of the field to even call it a field.
If we only look to the source we miss the nature of
what has derived
from the source, its meaning for us and its wonders.
we are the source, man. Everything that can be related is relative. Whether
you're experiencing a lot of source, or not, you've no real way to know
this, because an undifferentiated field can't be known with the mind,
there's nothing to relate it to. For sure, you can TRY and look at the
source or something.
With Osho we call it "no mind." If you've got a lot of it mostly you're
happy despite what happens and people are attracted to you.
I personally fully embrace the physical as well as the
spiritual and work to
integrate both. I dont subscribe to a view that
enourages ignorance of one
or the other.
My personal experience is that spiritual endeavours are just there for the
mind that's having trouble dealing with just how simple life actually is.
They don't do anything because there's no possibility you could ever be
anything other than 100% who you are. Of course, we all of us, certainly me,
regularly experience an intense desire to challenge this.
I have a question for you:
Who or what for you are the spiritual helpers who work
through the eboga
spirit and bring so much healing to so many? Should
they be ignored or is
a certain amount of gratiude in order?
A Happy New Year to youLee
Personally, I feel gratitude, for sure, even though my own iboga initiation
in the Cameroun was a pretty crazy and haphazard affair. And the only
"spiritual helper" I've encountered on either iboga or ayahuasca is myself.
I've had some unbelievably brutal and unbelievably blissful experiences but
they've all seemed to be just me talking to me. That was my experience.
with love
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