Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:17:03 -0500
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #63: Internet Ibogaine Church!; Eau Claire 95th City on
the Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!

Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!

So far we have confirmed 95 cities:

Albany

Albuquerque

Athens

Asheville

Auckland

Bergen

Berlin

Boone

Boulder

Budapest

Buenos Aires

Burlington

Capetown

Chicago

Chico

Christchurch

Cincinnati

Colorado Springs

Columbia

Darwin

Des Moines

Detroit

Dover

Dublin

Dunedin

East Lansing

Eau Claire

Eugene

Fayetteville

Frankfurt

Ft. Smith

Halifax

Hartford

Hachita

Houston

Jerusalem

Kansas City

Kristiansand

Lethbridge

Lexington

London

Los Angeles

Mexico City

Missoula

Montreal

Moscow

Nashville

Newark

New Paltz

New York

Nimbin

Ogden

Oulu

Oslo

Paris

Peoria

Philadelphia

Phoenix

Portland

Potsdam

Prague

Raleigh

Rapid City

Reno

Richmond

Roanoke

Rome

Rosario

Rostock

San Francisco

Sarasota

Savannah

Spokane

Stavanger

Stevens Point

St. Louis

Stockholm

Tallahassee

Tampa

Thunder Bay

Toronto

Traverse City

Tromsoe

Trondheim

Tucson

Tupelo

Turku

Upper Lake

Vancouver

Vienna

Visalia

Warsaw

Washington, D.C.

Wilkes-Barre

Wilmington

There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current

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*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: WHD@...

DEA scheduling food as drug

December 13, 2004

WASHINGTON, DC - The US Drug Enforcement Agency today announced they have scheduled a designer drug, sold as food, so that drug law enforcement efforts will include what DEA spokesman Bob La Bla described as "this new menace."

Authorities first became aware of the drug, called "jerk" by users, through reports from emergency rooms in urban areas across the US in early September 2004. Users characterize the "high" as an euphoric trance and are often hospitalized when they become unresponsive after consuming the pseudo-hallucinogen. Emergency room physicians say that its affects seem to wear off in a few hours.

La Bla indicated that once the active ingredient had been identified, they would determine how exactly it harms users. "We know it has to be stopped," La Bla said. "The incredible euphoria makes them crave the experience over and over, so it is a clearly dangerous drug." The DEA announcement was accompanied by a limited pre-release of a documentary to be aired on Public Broadcasting System's science news program Nova on Tuesday, December 21 titled, "What jerk is doing to our nation."

A segment of that documentary includes an interview with recovering addict Mike Rotch still suffering the after effects of a "jerk binge." Users are said to universally deny that they are or were intoxicated on the drug and often insist they were only "happy" or "satisfied". Rotch is seen in a heavily sedated state as he insists the jerk didn't cause intoxication and that his wife brought him to the emergency room, "She isn't used to me being so happy, so she thought I must be high as a kite." Rotch's wife Adelia is shown saying the empty jar of jerk in their trashcan was a dead give-away.

The DEA announcement comes two weeks after the FDA announced dibenzopyrans, the scientific name for jerk, were a type of food additive and not a drug. The FDA Weekly Reporter said Monday that jerk's potential for abuse had surfaced only recently. Last week the FDA disclosed that an agency research team had repeatedly dosed themselves as "human guinea pigs" after being exposed to it in laboratories. This same team was responsible for approving the drug as a food additive. Three of those researchers have been admitted to drug treatment programs.

A press release from The Partnership for a Drug Free America hailed the announcement by the DEA as, "Ša good first step toward preventing the spread of what may be the new 'crack.'." Drug czar John Walters, who heads the Office for National Drug Control Policy, added in the same release, "We will spare no expense and will exceed the very limits of constitutional authority to pursue peddlers of this noxious drug."

Though jerk is marketed by drug dealers under brand names like Lonesome Jerk, Carjack Sauce and Metaphor-Free, most users eventually migrate to a brand called Waddah Jerk. Rotch is seen later in the Nova segment saying, "At first I made it in my sink with stuff I had around the house, but I didn't feel the true inner radiant glow until I tried the street stuff. Soon I worked my way up until I tried Waddah Jerk; and that's when my wife started thinking I was a little too happy, if you know what I mean." Rotch continued, "Before the week was out I was trying it on pork, chicken, fish, even vegetables.  I just couldn't help myself."

Authorities point out that the abandoned website of Waddah Jerk's former manufacturer, now subject of a nationwide manhunt, can be found at www.WaddahJerk.com.

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New Listing by Phone--

Eau Claire: Dan Drum, drumm@...

From: tents444@...

Million Marijuana March. Banners, posters, handbills,
flyers. From 2004 MMM. Use for 2005 MMM ideas! Adapt for

your needs! Due to software upgrade problems

only the full-size images and full-size image downloads

currently are working-- go here:

http://www.vienna2004.org/mmm/viewer.php?albid=510&stage=2
or if problems go to the home page URL:
http://www.vienna2004.org/mmm
and then click on "mmm2004"

and then "Banners Posters Handbills"
 

Many of the MMM 2004 banners, posters, flyers, and
handbills were converted from PDF files to the gif and jpg
images found here. The freeware Adobe Acrobat Reader and the
freeware IrfanView were used.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

http://www.irfanview.com  - IrfanView is a free image editor
that is useful for adapting these flyers and banners for
your needs. Download the full-size gif images since they use
far fewer kilobytes compared to the 640x480 and 800x600 jpg
versions of the same image. JPG image files are mainly for
photos and images with lots of color gradation. GIF image
files are much better for flyers and banners. IrfanView can
easily edit, reduce, or enlarge gif and jpg images.

These flyer and banner images were found elsewhere in the
photo gallery, and by following links on the MMM 2004 city
list pages, report pages, image pages, etc.. Flyers and
banners for other MMM years can be found through the first
link below: MMM images:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmmimages.htm
2004 city list:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004.htm
2004 reports:
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2004rep.htm

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Please forward widely! Million Marijuana March. MMM.
The MMM 2005 city links are always clickable at these mirrors below.
MMM world map with many more links. Frequently updated:
http://corporatism.tripod.com/mmm2005map.htm  and
http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm  and
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/mmm2005map.htm  and
http://members.fortunecity.com/multi19/mmm2005map.htm
 
Click the region names in the left chart column to go to their city lists.
Click the "countries" link to go to the list of countries.

Worldwide.

With less than 5% of the world's population
the USA has over 2.2 million of the world's
9 million prisoners!:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/rates.htm  and
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/world.htm

MMM (Million Marijuana March).
City list and world map:
http://corporatism.netfirms.com/mmm2005map.htm
Yahoo Group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction

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*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

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<http://news.google.com/news?q=Gary+Webb&num=50&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr>
Gary Webb, Author of Dark Alliance, Found Dead in Home

author: Brian A. Pace

Gary Webb, whose work exposed CIA facilitated and protected drug-smuggling, was found dead in his home this Friday morning.

His death has been called a suicide, as he apparently died from a gunshot to the head. Given the nature of his most contraversial work, one can forgive this writer for being suspicious as to whether or not Mr. Webb actually took his own life. The CIA, which was deeply embarrassed by Webb's series in the San Jose Mercury News back in 1996 is known for assassinating political opponents. With the Passage of the USA PATRIOT act, the CIA is now able to conduct such dirty business inside our borders.

Regardless of the circumstances of Mr. Webb's death, authentic, muckraking journalism has lost a true champion. Below is the original story link, as well as the full Dark Alliance series online. Gary Webb later expanded this series into a book by the same name.

 http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/10399522.htm

 http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/

A Giant Falls

[Please distribute widely]

GARY WEBB - PULITZER PRIZE WINNER,
AUTHOR OF DARK ALLIANCE CIA-DRUG SERIES
DEAD OF REPORTED SUICIDE

Press Accounts Fail to Mention His Vindication
by CIA Inspector General Reports and Congressional Investigations

by Michael C. Ruppert


© Copyright 2004, From The Wilderness Publications,
www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted,
distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.

December 13, 2004 1400 PDT (FTW) - Gary Webb, 49, the Pulitzer Prize winning
reporter from the San Jose Mercury News made America hold its breath in 1996
when he showed us proof of direct CIA involvement in drug trafficking. For a
few months many of us had hope.



He reportedly died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head two days
ago. His body was discovered at 8:20 AM Saturday as movers reportedly found
a note on the door of his residence asking them not to enter but to call for
paramedics.

Webb's August 1996 series Dark Alliance for the San Jose Mercury News pulled
deep covers away from US covert operations and American denial about
connections between the CIA and drugs. Gary left a bigger historical
footprint than anyone who has ever touched the subject including among
others, Peter Dale Scott, Alfred McCoy, Jonathan Kwitny and me.

His footprint was made possible in large part for two reasons. First, his
reporting was meticulous and produced hard records that could not be
effectively denied. Second, prominent African-American leaders like Jesse
Jackson and representatives Maxine Waters and Juanita Millender-McDonald of
Los Angeles and Compton respectively took up the torch lit by Gary and ran
with it just before the 1996 presidential election which saw Bill Clinton
win his second term just eight weeks after the stories broke. I was there at
that time and it is not an understatement to say that much of this country
was "up in arms".

Waters at one point vowed to make the CIA-drug connections, fully documented
by Webb, her "life's work" if necessary.

In death the major press is beating him almost as ruthlessly as they did in
real life. No part of the major press has acknowledged that Webb's work was
subsequently vindicated by congressional investigations and two CIA
Inspector General's reports released in 1997 and 1998. FTW did report on
Webb's vindication and his legacy has - at least at the level of authentic
journalism - not been lost.

Please see:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/RendGW.html, and
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/volii.html

For more FTW coverage of Gary Webb's life please use the search engine at
www.fromthewilderness.com.

The LA Times obituary, in all of its meanness and inaccuracy is here.

Of the six obituaries I have seen on him, the one from the L.A. Times was
the most brutally Soviet in its attempt to crush out his memory as
thoroughly as his work. Of course the Times would have to do that. It was in
Los Angeles where Webb dug up and documented the direct connection between
the CIA and cocaine smuggling/trafficking as crack cocaine ravaged this city
in the 1980s and the Contra war decimated Central America.

The Times already had known of this for decades. Starting in 1979 I dealt
extensively with the Times trying to report the same connections with regard
to heroin smuggling by the CIA. Cocaine did not become a national epidemic
until around 1980. By 1996 I had 17 bitter years of funneling hard evidence
to the Times and watching as staff writer David Rosenzweig -- among others
including Ron Soble and David Johnston (now of the New York Times) - kept
taking the information, promising to do something, and then spiking the
stories in exchange for promotions.

When Gary autographed his 1998 best-seller Dark Alliance to me he wrote: "To
Mike. You were there before I was."

Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over and Powerdown observed after
reading the Times' obituary, "The LA Times obit is disgusting. 'What's our
attitude toward investigative journalism? Well, of course we try to
discourage it wherever we can, but sometimes it happens anyway. Then we get

especially nasty--we have to, naturally, to protect our reputation.'"

I always knew it was a fight to the death. I don't think he ever fully
understood that. Retired DEA agent Cele Castillo who had reported on direct
CIA drug involvement from Honduras and El Salvador in the 1980s and I both
told him in 1996 what he was up against and what it might cost him.

GRATITUDE

There would be no FTW, or Crossing the Rubicon without Gary Webb. Catherine
Austin Fitts and I would never have met had it not been for Gary Webb. Dick
Gregory would not have made me his white son on the radio had it not been
for Gary Webb. I would never have confronted John Deutch at Locke High had
it not been for Gary Webb.

I myself might have committed suicide in 1996 - broke, divorced and having
given up all hope of making people listen -- had it not been for Gary Webb.
For some years now it has been the farthest thing from my mind.

I rediscovered my purpose and maybe Gary lost his. This is a tragedy of
Shakespearean proportions.

KNOWN DETAILS

I called the Coroner shortly after the first flash came in here from Bay
Area journalist and producer Kellia Ramares. His time of death was listed at
8:20 AM. Since it was Saturday, the homicide detectives would have been off
and had to be paged. I estimate two hours (minimum) for them to get to the
crime scene (unless a uniformed supervisor handled it). Add three hours
minimum for crime scene, photos etc; that means he went to the Coroner's
most likely around 1 PM. It could have been much later depending on response
times on a Saturday before Christmas.

When I called the Sacramento Coroner's Office at 8:20 PM on Saturday I spoke
with an unidentified female who stated that he had just been there since
late that afternoon. I identified myself as a friend, ex-cop and journalist
and she confirmed a single shot to the head. I wasn't sure it was our Gary
Webb so I got his date of birth, hair and eye color. They matched. Gary was
a good looking man with a moustache and I asked if that fit. She hesitated
for quite a while before answering, "I can't tell."

This led me to suspect that the weapon used was a shotgun.

I then confirmed his death with the San Jose Mercury News and the L.A.
Times. We will see if later facts don't mesh with what has been reported
thus far.

I called the Times again at about 9:15 because I wanted to make sure someone
said some good things about Gary. I dropped some names and got to the writer
or the editor on the story who wouldn't ID himself. He said he'd have
someone call me back to get my statement. No one ever called back and then
the Times published their maliciously spiteful obituary just after midnight
Sunday. It was clear to me that they wanted/needed to put a spin on his
death.

Gary Webb deserved better than this and those of us who knew him and
benefited from his work will see that he gets it.

I am going to the funeral and I will be asking questions in Sacramento.
Given the disproportionate number of "suicides" of authors and journalists
who have covered such stories, and the mainstream's horrendously dishonest
coverage of such events, it is right to see if there are grounds to be
cautiously suspicious of these accounts. But it is also right to avoid
hysteria and unsupported conclusions until there are solid reasons to
suspect foul play.

Gary would have wanted us all to do this by the numbers, patiently and
thoroughly. That was his style. That was why he was so good.

When funeral arrangements are announced FTW will publish them and we
encourage all of our subscribers to send flowers, write letters and show
their thanks to this man who changed all of our lives forever.

It wouldn't hurt if you wanted to let the L.A. Times know what you think of
their obituary.

Sleep well, Gary. Wherever men and women of honor gather together from now
on, your name will be spoken with reverence, respect and gratitude.

Mike Ruppert

www.fromthewilderness.com

William Rivers Pitt | The Greene County Lockdown
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121404Z.shtml

Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

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From:     ms_iboga@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)

Hi FP,

Hi, How are you?  In short, I feel great.  Still

haven't touched any opiates, and have no real desire

to do so.  However, I believe that is due only in part

to the noribogaine that may or may not be floating

around my system- I really wanted to quit.  My

body/mind was tired, dare I say DISGUSTED, by the

whole scene, and I believe this realization is making

opiate abstinence quite easy right now.

I had energy/fatigue problems for the first 2-3 weeks,

but my body has since normalized, and I feel pretty

good overall.  Sleep issues are a whole different

story altogether- I STILL have sleep disturbances.  My

doc told me it can take months to normalize (something

about opiates acting on the area of the brain that

regulates sleep.

In terms of personality changes, I feel a lot more,

um, RAW- nothing is filtered out anymore.  Every

beautiful situation, every annoying and ugly one- I

embrace each and every moment with the naivete of a 5

year old.

 I would say I also stick up for myself more now,

without the aid of rose-tinted, opiated glasses.  I

have an aunt who used to send me the most ridiculous,

right-wing, Christian fundamentalist propaganda,

almost on a daily basis.  It annoyed the fuck out of

me.  Well, needless to say, I critically 'dissected'

the last piece of clap-trap, and LO AND BEHOLD: no

more Christian, exclusionist dogma forwarded to my

Inbox.

As with other methods of detox, TIME is the only way

to truly recover...don't worry, Fake Placebo: if your

TIME hasn't come yet, it will soon...

cheers,

Julie

From:     fakeplacebo@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

Dear Julie,

Totally agreed with you. I feel almost same way with you. What a coincidence I

hate all kind of religion dogma but here in Turkey Muslim propaganda comes

to my office by the some fool and ignorant "friends". After Iboga I said to

them fuck off....I become very rude one.

I'm not filtering and depressing my feelings anymore. But there is something

different then you I did not experienced weakness as you did. After 8 days I

started to feel that I can go to work. 11. days started to work. But there

is still little pains on my muscles. Insomnia still affects me very bad way.

I'm watching billions of movie, cable and satellite Tv, DVD etc... every

night I'm awake untill 4:00 AM. I'm using some benzodiazepam pills for

sleeping it works but next day I feel like a fool. This kind of drugs lasts

for hours. Sometimes joint could make me available for sleeping but sometimes.

I have to find a way to sleep because this Insomnia issue drive me crazy.

Last to days I slept totaly 2,5 hours at all.

Please keep on write to me because I need to know that I'm not the only one

to feel like as I'm real.

Thank you for what you shared with me

Bets Regards

FakePlacebo

From:     ms_iboga@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

Dear Fake Placebo,

Yeah, it's almost as if opiates give us 'tolerance'-

the tolerance to put up with situations that would

otherwise drive us out of our mind.  Religious dogma

does that to me.  It just seems so xenophobic,

exclusionist, UGLY, that I can't help but think that

if GOD really exists, IT must be very angry with us

sometimes.  All these selfish wankers nowadays(Bush

included), twisting/distorting the words of Jesus or

other prophets to serve their own aims....it makes me

truly nauseous.

But anyways...did you come off methadone or H?  I

think you said you were using dope, right?  That would

probably explain the shorter duration of residual

withdrawal, as methadone takes much longer to break

down, tear off the receptors, and be excreted.  And

the sleep disturbances- well, FakeP, that might take a

while to stabilize.  I still wake up numerous times

every night- in fact, last night I awoke at 3:30am,

and couldn't get back to sleep until 5:30.  If I were

you, I'd stay away from the benzos- nothing like

artificial sleep to make your body feel like shite.

If you do decide to continue using benzos, take them

earlier...Weed is OK, but it's effects don't seem to

last very long, in terms of sleepiness.  May I ask how

much H you were using?  And for how long?

I also found reading to be a helpful tool...television

is alright (kind of the adult's pacifier), but books-

oh god, I could feel the new synapses being laid down.

 I've been reading some pretty cool metaphysical stuff

(think Carlos Castenada and his ilk), and at the 6 or

8 week mark, I celebrated my birthday with a tab (or

two) of XTC...even though I crashed afterwards, I felt

the effects really gave my healing 'evolution' a sharp

kick in the ass.

Still clean, only burning occassional spliffs.  I feel

great, emancipated, and I want to spread the word

about Iboga to the other unfortunate souls still

trapped in the 'gridlock'...like Randy said, the

bussier you keep yourself, the less time you will have

to worry about any discomfort you might be feeling..

cheers,

Julie :)

From:     HSLotsof@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

Another week or two and your sleep pattern should return to normal.

Howard

From:     slowone@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

5-HTP (a seratonin precursor) and melatonin have been recommended

for sleep post-ibo. Also herbs like chamomile, valerian, and

others.

If you can do something like yoga, it may help with sleep and

irritability. Therapy is always recommended, since emotional issues

are brought out by ibogaine, and these can manifest as a variety of

discomforts. It may sound odd, but sometimes people can get

feelings out (and some relief) by screaming into a pillow - perhaps

to ask the eboga spirit for more help or to call on one's

ancestors. Or just to complain :-)

The main thing is to explore as much emotional discomfort as one

can without getting overwhelmed. As the new territory becomes

familiar, a new richness comes into one's life to replace old

emotional habits. I find it to be very slow but rewarding work.

Sometimes discomfort seems to be designed expressly to avoid having

good feelings that were not reliably obtainable in childhood, other

times it might be anger turned inward.

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

About post-ibogaine and sleep generally, something I've observed is that
sleep deprivation will replicate some of ibogaine's "de-traumatizing"
effects. If you're familiar with the history of addiction treatment you may
know about Synanon, Phoenix House and similar concepts that would frequently
use a program designed to keep recovering addicts up all night to allow
trauma to surface. The sessions were known as "marathons" and they would
usually go on for days or even weeks! These days the benefits of sleep

deprivation (often coupled with some body movement exercises) in therapy are
pretty well recognized, I'd say. When you don't get that nice layer of sleep
to cover over feelings up they come. Some people will even tell you that the
body actually doesn't need any sleep at all, it's just the mind trying to
keep feeling stable and in control.

From a more ethnic viewpoint, during the three "nights of Ngoze" that
comprise one of the Bwiti initiation rituals practiced in the Cameroun you
can expect bugger all sleep for sure. They dance all night and chill out all
day, though not if you're actually an initiate, when you usually can't move
very much for all the iboga consumed.

Yes, like slowone is saying below, that you get pissed off and irritable
after ibogaine because of the lack of sleep is for sure showing you that
there's still a lot of feelings waiting to come out. Of course you can try
and anaesthetize yourself with valerian or St John's Wort or you can make
more use of the space and look at it.

with love

From:     rwd3@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie)

Hi Julie:  i  would avoid benzos to stabilize sleep.  that is what led to my current situation with them and hence the list.  just one schmuck's opinion, i'm no expert but they can be dangerous.  ron

From:     fakeplacebo@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

Dear Julie,

Many years ago (22 years) when I read castaneda's first book I liked book

very much but after "Tales Of Power" I started to think it's just a best

seller thats all. However I read all books of Castaneda; it was joyfull. I

like reading I always read. But little different; Kant, Hume, Lock. I'm

interesing with philosophia. (But also Dostoyevsky, Kafka my other loves)

I was on Morphine before I treated with Iboga. When you mailed to list start

morph. to kick addiction easier; I did same way with you and 15 days ago

stoped met. and started Morph. But my dose was very very high I don't want

to say amount but it was very very high as hard to believe.

I used oppiates (mostly H) until I treated Iboga almost 13 years non-stop.

(I know that I'm fool) wasted years for nothing.

But Julie have you ever experienced Ayahuasca? After Iboga I tried it and

Ayahuasca helped me more than Iboga did. Changed my point of view to meaning

of the things. My Ayahuasca trip was fully enlightenment. I don't know if

it's works on you but helped me so much.

Yes you are right; Bush is a modern crusader (as he said before) xenophobia

is the reason of love of death and love of things. Bush has owner of many

material things and I think he feels like god and he likes...

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

From:     ms_iboga@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Miss Iboga (Julie) Agreed what you are saying

Hi FP,

Have you read "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", by

Jung?  I think you would really like it.  He writes

about a near death experience he had, and I swear to

God, it almost sounded like an Iboga experience.

Here's a link to a portion of the text:

http://www.near-death.com/jung.html

FP, I would now venture to say that 4 WEEKS would be

the minimum time to replace methadone with short

acting opiates.  Like I've said many times, at the 25

day point, my urine was still testing positive for

methadone.  I don't believe there is any way to feel

%100 better when the opiates are still breaking off

the receptors and flushing out of the body.

Don't beat yourself up about 'wasting time'...instead

praise yourself that you didn't extend your addiction

to reach 15, even 20 years- which I understand is more

common than you might expect.  Praise yourself for the

courage to kick the monkey in the ass, FP.

How long have you been clean now?

Julie

From:     fakeplacebo@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] To Julie about Jung and etc...

Dear July,

Jung is one of my Idols. I read every source that I can found in my mother

language. I read "Memories, Dreams, Reflections" for few times and yes most

interesting. "The Idols Self knowledge" concept for me is the very importand

to make unsaid to said. In a language; concepts make the things exist.

Unconscious makes itself known with a concept.

One other important issue about Jung; he prepared ability of understand

"Morphology Of Legend"

We can divide to our age two part; before Jung and after Jung.

I'm clean since 14th. of november. It sounds me like years but actually it's

very short time to recover. I know that I will feel better by the time.

One another thing is Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca gave me some kind of mind state to

stand against opiates trail. If your health condition is enough good I

think you have to experience Ayahuasca.

Your thinking is very Important for me, because two of us passing in same

kind of procedure and there is so many similarity.

Thank You

Best Regards

FakePlacebo

From:     myeboga@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] [OT] To Julie about Jung and etc... & Mysticism

That last sentence speaks volumes.

I think there is a kind of anti-intellectual spiritualism which dismisses the differentiation of the spiritual world into parts based on the correct notion that all is everything and that one should somehow seek to be all at once and not differentiate. Hence why bother with the parts?

I am not trying to hit out at anyone here but I am trying to caution against a kind of witch hunt mentality which excludes the proper understanding of levels of existance outside the normal, i.e., the paranormal or the mystical, which can help greatly on the healing journey.

Who can say that there is not a divine plan, a purpose to our being that leads to soul growth (through many lives) which eventually leads to Cosmic consciousness of what is contained within the Cosmos & beyond?

In a language; concepts make the things exist.

Unconscious makes itself known with a concept.

 Part of my healing journey was to have the humility to give up the notion that my "individual" psychological / spiritual problems should not be viewed individually - that I should see everything as a whole (a kind of Krisnamurti period) - of course they are all connected like the particle and the wave... In that state I lived in torture and ongoing confusion and a sense of shame or guilt or something if I tried to think otherwise. By making things exist i found my freedom to resolve them through eboga and to expand my inner experience of self into areas that before where "possessed."

 Who is to say that there are not many levels of existence, each with its own awareness and set of entities?

Who is to say that souls which have chosen the dark side do not leave this world and inhabit a world of seperation and loveless existence and in turn prey on the positive energy of souls which are living in earthly bodies. In the same way as they sucked the life out of their fellow man during there own mortal existence.

In a language; concepts make the things exist.

Unconscious makes itself known with a concept.

 I came to my ideas of entities as I witnessed them feeding off my own energy during a healing eboga session. It certainly helped my ego to understand a lot and to proceed in my own healing. Useful, I thought at the time, given that (for me) my ego, calmed through understanding (for one thing), plays a role in my sense of wellbeing which then allows my soul to peacefully exist.

I suppose some say the ego is not to be taken seriously. I have yet to find a way to exist without it ......... mmmmhm

Lee

From:     beatriceblue@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

Wonder if I'm doing this correctly, but here goes.  Been a member for awhile, but haven't posted before.

 Anyway, I went through one Ibogaine session some time ago.  Very unsuccessful.  According to others, some here, some elsewhere, I was drastically under dosed.  Going in again in a few days.  REALLY want this to be successful this time.  Habit includes heroin and a past Methadone run, which ended over a month ago now.  Only used it two days then.  Was on heroin only for two months before, and before that Methadone only used once a week for 6-10 months (ended three months ago).  Knew Methadone was real bad, so had changed back to strictly heroin in preparation for Ibogaine, but provider told me to go back to Methadone, which is the cause of the 2 day usage.

 Anyway, after I get back from this successful run, I will share with those of you that are interested both my first experience and then this second.  My question is if I am still feeling mild withdrawals and bad after 5-7 days, can I use Naltrexone (Revia), to push whatever may be left in my body out???  A few years ago I quit cold turkey at home with a doctors help, and after 3 days clean, he gave me Naltrexone, which made the next 3-5 hours the most horrible imaginable, but after it was done... It was done!  I could sleep, I felt wonderful, I felt clean... I FELT!

 That's for any advice...

 Beatrice

From:     ptpeet@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

But Beatrice, you eventually went back to using apparently, so why torture yourself with Naltrexone? Why not just give your body a few more days or even weeks to flush itself out? You may, come to think of it, suffer for a shorter period of time, which I guess now that I think about it is probably what you're after, but it will sure suck, if I imagine correctly and your own description holds water, and I see no reason to think it doesn't.

   I can't actually answer your question, so I apologize for hitting you with another question as a responce, but I'm curious.

Peace and love,

Preston

From:     beatriceblue@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

Thank you, Preston, for any feedback at all.

 When I quit cold turkey, I did it for both my mother and my boyfriend.  Not myself.  Which was a bad move because, every time I've tried to quit on my own afterwards, I knew what to expect and how bad it would be.  Should've just waited until I was ready.  I'm more than ready now.  Doing it for me now.  Have taken lots of steps to give me the best possible chances.  Prepared for this for the last year or more.  But I'm really not good with pain, and I want my chances to be as good as possible, even if it means going through a few hours of excruciating pain with the Naltrexone.  When I had finished my last Ibogaine trip, I had been extremely sick for 4 days prior (my 'provider' detoxed me greatly, to the point of convulsions) and then after not getting enough, I was in pain again for 4 or 5 days afterwards before I gave up.  It was so bad it was almost as if I hadn't done the Ibogaine at all.  No feelings as reported by others.  In those 9 days, I had maybe 4 hours of comfort while I was peaking, then I could actually feel the Ibogaine subside and the sickness coming back.  Then my legs started again shortly thereafter.  If I am again going to be even close to that bad, I don't know if I can make it.  I have many clean, loving people around me that will be there to watch over and protect me, but for weeks???  I am just looking for options.

 Thank you all...

 Beatrice

From:     HSLotsof@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

If you are feeling bad naltrexone will make you feel worse.  I would be very

skeptical about doing naltrexone less then 14 days post ibogaine.

Howard

From:     mafinman@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

Sounds like your providers are not really experienced in what they were attempting to do.  It sounds like you had the beginning of a session(which seems took too long to get under way) and I also experienced withdrawl after initial trip of 4 hours.  That's what boosters and extra days are for.  There is a difference between the aftermath of an ibogaine session where you have fatigue, a few chills, sneezes and insomnia(on a scale of 1-100 of withdrawal pain I'd say 5-10 at most) and an incomplete session, which sounds like what you had.  Also it's possible to mistake the aftereffects of the ibogaine as slight withdrawal.   If you have no energy for weeks, so what. In comparison to screwing up the rest of your life and all the past damage done, what's a week or 2 or 3 of rest compared to your salvation? My instincts shout out a big NO to the naltrexone.  I don't think any drugs that screw with the brain that you just rinsed clean and given a new beginning to can benefit from that crap!  I also for the life of me(unless I misunderstand) can't imagine why someone would tell you to go from heroin to methadone before your session.  Do you know that old remark about getting your knowhow from a crackerjack box?  Just my opinion.

     Hope you find your way.  This can be an the experience of a lifetime if you just do a little more research and don't let your fears dupe you into doing something destructive.               

                                    Martee

From:     beatriceblue@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] Need opinions, at this point expert or otherwise...

Thank you so much, Howard!  From what I've heard, I value your opinion.  I

guess I'll just have to try my best and suffer through it, I suppose.

Martee & Ms. Iboga, also thank you!  I have spoken to my providers that I'll

be working with this weekend, who also say no, so I have given up the

Naltrexone idea completely.  From what all involved say, I should not

experience even a tenth of what I did the first time.  And from the sounds

of it, what I will experience I'll be able to handle.  I was a heroin addict

for goodness sake, so lack of energy at least won't be new.  After all, I

made a career out of my habit, I can't expect overnight miracles.  And I'm

willing to do the necessary work.  Hopefully some of you will be there for

me if, and when, I need you when I return, and I hope I'll be able to do the

same for some of you in the future.

I'll tell all of you all about my first experience (and my second!) when I

return, but I'll leave you with this about my first time around: I was

indeed told to go on Methadone before my treatment, and actually didn't do

it immediately when told to weeks beforehand.  Instead I waited until a few

days beforehand and during travel.  I was told they didn't feel comfortable

with me being on something illegal, even though I kept asking which would be

better on mind and body regardless of legality.  Eventually I was told there

would be no difference.  I received no boosters at all, even though I asked

for some more.  I was given the same initial dosage as everyone else in my

group, no matter what our habits were, our sex, or our weight.  Almost the

entire group felt very mislead about several things about the program.  My

'providers' were very well respected and have been mentioned extensively on

this list.  Enough said.  I'm sure you all know who by now, but for those of

you who may not have guessed, read my experience diary when I return after

the 15th, if you're interested.  I'll definitely post it!

Take care, and no matter your beliefs, please pray for me Sunday... I need

all the help I can get!!!!

Beatrice

BTW, I don't know if this matters or not, but I'm a smoker.  I don't shoot

or sniff, I smoke, and for 8-10 years I always have.

From:     rachelradha@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

I found this description of yours, Lee, quite interesting.  (And maybe you too Julie?) Because the weekend Jeff and I fell in love we had ingested a variety of entheogens, and I had a visual  experience of being part of his purification process.

 

As I held him he started feeling a lot of energy in his spine, like kundalini energy or something.  So I started moving my hands upwards along his back, then shaking them out from where I felt his heart center to release the vibes.  Little black-winged "entities" seemed to fly off.  Like mini-dragons with batwings.  So I tried it again, and there were even more, fluttering away.  It was as if love, and its light, could dislodge them from their perch.

 

I was, at that point, somewhat horrified by the sheer numbers of times he had punctured his skin -- the tatoos of grief written on his body -- and so may have been imaginatively primed to correlate them to his drug use.  But I think someone told me that we create holes or vulnerabilities in our aura through certain behaviors, and it certainly felt as if these "things" had taken advantage of such opportunities in his case.

 

Writing about all this makes me want to go burn some incense and try to clear my own energy field a bit.  We had a nice walk in the park and saw a blue jay, two loons, lots of doves and gulls, and my favorite, another hawk.  Jeff took only one bath today, which seems like a record, and says he's feeling 65-70% of his usual self.

 

Lee Albert <myeboga@...> wrote:

I think that anyone using ibogaine to kick a habit will initially by and large have less of a spiritual experience as the energy is fighting to clear out the addiction energy on a physical & most likely spiritual level. Perhaps addiction in some respects is also a housing of dark entities in ones soul, a kind of parasitic union where dark entities or demons cling to the vulnerability created by the addiction & work to maintain it by sucking out all the good it can?

From:     dave@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

I experienced an exorcism of sorts during my ibogaine experience in 98 (represented as a heroin seductress, begging for a fix - me sending "her" away 2-3X). there are all sorts of vibrational entities that have the ability to attach to us, addiction or not. Usually they are invited in, on one level of consciousness or another. Drugs definitely open up channels for these creatures to enter, the energy of the drug (or plant, more to the point) often matching the energy of the entity(s) (the poppy spirit being dark = dark side "creatures") - Bat Wings, claws and tentacles for sure.

With Iboga being the opposite end of the spectrum, it's a no brainer that it works so well in dislodging (or at least interrupting) the dark stuff.

opiate = numb

iboga = aware

one of the resounding themes of my three most intense experiences was about the balance between these two forces, the light and the dark. Quite magnificently displayed in graphical representation. Kind of like a epic psychedelic Star Wars trilogy of sorts. With lots of liquid reflective melty stuff and dna geometry splattered all over everything. And how the dark stuff recedes in the "Light".

_.dh

From:     dave@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

OK Dave now you got me wanting to go for my spiritual journey now. I know I need to wait and finish what I started first though. Reading your description took me right back to my session. I enjoyed the hallucinations in a big way. I have to be honest. But I didn't get into the insomnia and the like. Did you have problems like that after your first treatment?  Randy

yep. I was only getting between 2-3 hours sleep for like the first 3 weeks or so. By the time I landed back stateside I was getting 3-5 hours of sleep, it took me like 5-6 weeks B4 i got a solid 6 hours/night

I was EXTREMELY exhausted. I segued from 40mgs methadone >> Ibogaine after 12-16 hours (on top of jet lag and general un-wellness), and ralphed half that 1st dose up after 2 hours (as determined by the resident chemist by extracting 740mgs ibo base from my retch), and had to dose again 5-6 days later, the folks providing for me weren't hip to boosters at that point, or it didn't happen or something like that. The first dose was pretty rough, the second one was the ONE. Complete removal from the time-space continuum, and a delight for the visuals (I peaked for 18 hours), but fucking grueling none-the-less. It was in this second dose that I experienced the exorcism, among other things.

The wild thing is tho even at 12mgs/kg total ingested for the 1st dose, I resisted any methadone during the 5-6 day wait, and I had like a 3 week supply w/me. Which is pretty amazing, as shitty as i felt. there's a photo floating around of me dumping those 'liquid cuffs' into the toilet after #2.

small amounts of GHB helped between #1 & #2, but i was very careful w/that stuff.

_.dh

From:     vector620022002@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

I think that like with a lot of what patrick says its a joke that isn't

a joke... I haven't done nearly enough drugs to understand all of it ;)

Except he is legion, or was legion.

http://www.nndb.com/people/552/000025477/

http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/MINDVOX/

Patrick is like Dr. Seuss on acid, darth vader on acid, what happens if

you pushed william burroughs into a pool of acid, a lot of quotes about

him that include the word acid. Patrick's brain is floating in lsd.

Call me sick but I know what he's talking about some of the time. I

know what Dave Hunter is talking about some of the time.

The newer people talking about demonic possession I am wondering if

you're serious? The excorist rundown is that your opinion on drug

addiction or demons? No disrespect to you I'm only wondering if you are

kidding. I will take a guess that the answer is no, you're not kidding

:)

.:vector:.

--- The Garden <GardenRestaurant@...> wrote:

So you've seen the movie the Exorcist : " I am legion... " :-)

Father John J. Nicola could you tell you more about this true story:

he

was

the advisor for the movie.

The true story began in January 1949 and involved a 13-year-old boy

named

Robbie who lived with his parents and grandmother in Mt. Rainier,

Maryland.

Robbie was very close to his aunt who visited the family frequently

from St.

Louis, Missouri. She was a medium and attempted to communicate with

the

spirit world. Not only did she spark Robbie's interest in this

practice, she

also taught him how to use the Ouija board and so on and so on...

...The

house was destroyed to the ground later.

Anyway,  Patrick it's all matter of beliefs. 30 % of the Bishop in

the

catholic church don't believe in possession.

You are not the only one. You have people who believe even that  they

are

God. What ever float your boat.

God Bless

Francis

----- Original Message -----

From: "Patrick K. Kroupa" <digital@...>

To: <ibogaine@...>

Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

It's all-good, I am legion.

Be careful when casting out demons, lest you get rid of that which

is

best in yourself; no, wait, nevermind, Nietzsche already said that,

d'oh!

Good, evil, right, wrong, this 'n that, are all abstractions and

points

of view.  I go dark, I resonate with light, spin, spin, spin,

nonduality, Purple Shit; all are one, one is all, I am that.

Everything all at once.

Life's just like a funhouse; an endless series of mirrors, warped

reflections, and distorted projections.

Heaven, Hell, good, bad, right, wrong, love, hate, it's not out

there,

it's in here.  It's ALL YOU, because you're just that important.

You're a walking universe

"Fighting" what is just a part of you, never worked out for me;

your

milage may vary.  Acceptance, integration, freedom, liberation,

Godhead.

I love my hate,

Patrick

From:     ms_iboga@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

--- The Garden <GardenRestaurant@...> wrote:

So you've seen the movie the Exorcist : " I am

legion... " :-)

"I am legion", comes from the Bible...Jesus finds a

madman(read: possessed by a LEGION of demons) residing

by some cliffs, and casts out these demons into a herd

of swine, who then rush, maddened, to the edge of the

cliff, and plunge themselves over into the 'abyss'.

Julie (unintentional Bible scholar)  :)

From:     rachelradha@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine] Subtle Beings & Affliction

Om Lokah Samistha Sukino Bhavantu (May all Beings in all the Worlds be Happy)

Uh, no, I was not joking, but let me clarify.  I personally didn't think "I" exorcised anything.  Or cast anything out.  They just didn't want to be there anymore.

 

It felt like they were present in the absence of attention.  Or a deficit of protection.  So possibly the renewal of his life force with the alliance of mine changed the pattern of "shields."

 

I was just trying to share a visual experience I had of the departure of these particular parasitical seeming energies.  But lets call them subtle beings instead of dark entitites then, if that works better on the inclusive model of holistic "all good".

 

The question seems to be whether the integrity of your personal patch of earth, the turf staked out as your soul's container, has some boundaries to be respected.  You'd take flagyl if you got a case of the flukes or amoebas, right?  Or diflucan if the yeasties took over and cheesed up your mouth or your cootchie, eh?

 

So, Beatrice, maybe you want to put some aura-cleansing materials in your suiticase, which as far as I know are still legal.  Burning sage or other sweet herbs during the treatment to keep the good spirits happy and vampiric ones at a safe distance?  A sea salt and coconut milk bath to clear your physical field after the treatment?  I guess incense is not clinically indicated, but "it can't hurt" can it?

 

lots of love,

Rachel

(who infinitely prefers seeing rainbows in his hair than black dragonbats flying off his back, and is looking forward to hearing the Voices in the Head one of these days down the line)

From:     GardenRestaurant@...

Subject:        [Ibogaine]  Way out of topic dark entities & addiction

Please discard if not interested

 

"The refusal of modern " enlightenment " to treat " possession as a hypotesis to be spoken of as even posssible, in spite of the massive human tradition based on concrete experience in it's favor, has always seemed to me a curious example of fashion in thing scientific.

 That the demon-theory will have its inning again is to my mind absolutely certain.

 One has to be " scientific" indeed to be blind and ignorant enought to suspect no such possibility "

                       William James considered by many as the father of American Psycology

 

For the one willing to investigate a little bit further, you could start with:

 

Healing States

A Journey Into The World Of Spiritual Healing and Shamanism

by Alberto Villoldo, Ph.D. and Stanley Krippner, Ph.D

http://www.thefourwinds.com/Articles/bkEx_HS.html

 

The life and studies of Dr.Wickland

http://www.harvestfields.ca/ebook/01/063/00.htm

 

Ibogaine could be a door to another dimension. It's interesting to find that the bwiti religion has 12 different branch

one is Ombwiri a society reserved only to women using Iboga and spirits helpers in public healing and spirit removal.The worst one is Bwiti N'Dea  sect of sorcerer using human sacrifices and cannibalism for the obtention of supernatural powers.

 

God bless

francis

From:     dave@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

On Friday, December 3, 2004, at 09:09 AM, m.finman wrote:

Francis,
     I would like to think it is more accepting of a positive power that would be responsible for that kind of a change.  Not to doubt what you have seen and experienced, but I have a hard time totally excepting the possession thing. Is it possible there can be a physical concrete reason for these things.  I saw a documentary years ago on PBS that detected during the time of the Salem witch hunts and trials the grains(I believe they were rye) had been molded and infested with fungus.  Ingesting certain types of these things can affect the brain and behavior.

I believe you are referring to ergot. (see also: http://www.borndigital.com/ergot.htm)

I've seen how very many of my clients have candida(fungus) systemically in their system and beside a host of physical issues it also leads to mind fog and depression.

From what I understand the "brain fog" comes from the waste products of candida, which is also known to cause cancer, and has a symbiotic relationship with parasites (such as the fluke) whose waste products are also toxic to the human body. A good product to help clear candida from the digestional track is Colosan, which oxygenates the digestive track, killing both parasites and candida. It is also effective against [opiate induced] constipation.

But Candida is very difficult to get rid of. an estimated 80% of the population has candida.

   Although truth be told I do have my own black ashen snake leaving my body during my session that my host (very inutitive & somewhat psychic abilities) saw and the demon energy that remained after I left that he sent down the hall to the drug dealers house story!                        Martee

Black snakes seem to be a common entity, I've heard other people speak of them as well.

Good, evil, the entire universe encapsulated within us etc... There are things that exist but cannot be rationalized or analyzed by science or logic. There are vibrations below and above our plane of existence that are teeming with beings who are attracted to our physical & astral bodies. If the human mind could constantly perceive these things we would certainly be overwhelmed and driven to insanity. Kind of like if we were to constantly hear our blood rushing through our veins. I've gone from sceptic to acceptor, with the help no small amount of eye opening psychedelics. Like I cannot prove my ibogaine experience and the visions I had, but have them I did, regardless of who believes what I report.

From:     GardenRestaurant@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

Hi Martee !

I ve seen the documentary on Salem too. But in my case it was possession
infortunately. Think about why should we  discard the idea of entities
possession ?

"An exceptional knowledge of such incantations for the overcoming of demons
was attributed to King Solomon. 'Many spirits and demons did Solomon
vanquish' (Exod. R xxx. 16), although the power deserted him later in life
because, as it is said, 'Until Solomon sinned he ruled over the demons'
(Pesikta 45b).'"

The  Talmud too is full of references to exorcisme.
In the East :
The mother of Buddha : Mahamaya o maya was an exorcist.In the Grec mythology
Maia was the grandmother of Magic.

In the  Veda you will find the Atharva veda  with several charm, hymn for
cures and depossession.

In the teaching of Zarathustra Ahriman is thougth to be the first
personification of the " devil "
In the Taoist I-Ching you will find references to demon too. I grow up in
Africa and I've seen real bad possession and I never found one tribe who
will deny the existence of evil. Same win South America with the " Limpia "
from The Santeria.Voddoo for the Caribe. Cuban Santeros and on and on..
God Bless

Francis

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

Solomon =

Sol - Sun (latin)
Om - God (sanskrit)
On - God (egyptian)

Solomon is an Old Testament magic word compounded from other languages.
Solomon is just a symbol for the real You. The demons are there to grow you,
they are the most direct form of growth. When they try and possess you it's
just because they love you and want you to grow. The fear is just the
reaction of mind. Having created an image of who you are it tries to defend
this image and doesn't want a load of demons coming in and messing it up.
The way out is to throw your arms open wide and say Yes to the demons!
Solomon doesn't really cast out the demons he just allows them to be
integrated into the mind's concept of who you are. Demons are great!

The concept of "Solomon sinning" is just the allowing the real You to
pretend you're just this little thing, sometimes known as "the Fall", it's
just a little game really.

with love

Nick

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] For Nick out of topic dark entities & addiction


-----Original Message-----
From: The Garden [mailto:GardenRestaurant@...]
Sent: 05 December 2004 17:29
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: [Ibogaine] For Nick out of topic dark entities & addiction


Hi Nick !
Thank you for your E-mail
Here is my two cents:
Solomon come from the hebrew world for Peace , appropriate because during
his reign Israel did enjoy relatively hight security. Nathan use
to call him
Jedidiah  meaning  "Love by the Lord"

You wrote
Solomon =

Sol - Sun (latin)
Om - God (sanskrit)
On - God (egyptian)

Solomon is an Old Testament magic word compounded from other languages.
Solomon is just a symbol for the real You. The demons are there to grow
you,
they are the most direct form of growth.

 I disagree :
'Many spirits and demons did Solomon vanquish' (Exod. R xxx. 16), although
the power deserted him later in life because, as it is said,
'Until Solomon
sinned he ruled over the demons' (Pesikta 45b).'

Another citation, this time from the Jewish Historian Josephus ;

 'God also enabled him to learn the art which expels demons,
which is useful
and works cures for men. He composed charms also by which diseases are
alleviated. And he left behind him forms of exorcisms, by which
people drive
away demons so that they never return, and this method of cure is of very
great value unto this day; for I have seen a certain man of my
own country,
whose name was Eleazar, curing people possessed by demons in the
presence of
Vespasian and his sons and captains and the whole of his soldiers. The
manner of the cure was as follows; he put a ring that had under
its seal one
of those sorts of roots mentioned by Solomon to the nostrils of the
demoniac, and then drew the demon out through his nostrils as he smelt it;

and when the man fell down immediately, he adjured the demon to
return into
him no more, still making mention of Solomon, and reciting the incantation
which he had composed' (Antiq. viii, ii5)."

Nick go to :
http://religion.rutgers.edu/iho/exorcism.html

 Sorry for the BOLD letters I copy and paste from another document.
God Bless you
Francis


Hey Francis, man....you cannot cast out demons! For the simple reason that
there's nowhere for them to go. There's no outside. If you take drugs like
ibogaine or ayahuasca for a while you will become familiar with watching the

creation of the universe, the Big Bang, it's amazing. Many users will report
this. It happens because when the artificial fencing of the mind is removed
by the drug, one is joined back into the Great Mind, the mind of God. You
see the Big Bang because you watched it before, you see the universe unfold

because it's your memory. You were there when it happened. You are God and
there's only You in the universe. Of course, back in regular day-to-day ego
consciousness, it seems like you're just this little body with these
feelings and stuff, but now you also know the other side of the story. The
demons are just parts of you trying to help you grow. The universe grows you
like a little plant, watering you with demons on a regular basis, testing
the ego with plights and problems to allow it to grow. For sure they seem
like demons for a while. And for sure the route of "casting out demons" will
be tried and tested. And, you can do all the chanting, charming and healing
you like, but at some point, in some lifetime, you're gonna start to ask
"What is it really like to be possessed by demons totally? What is it like
to let them in?" And at that point you're going to expand. And when you
expand you can carry around a whole pack of demons and use their energy to
do what you will.

I mean, if you're talking about doing ritual magic and stuff to actually
conjure up demons then you're kind of jumping in at the deep end. But if
demons are just coming at you, then you can also look at what they're with,
not just reach for Solomon and his book of spells. He never existed in real
life, anyway. Like most of the Bible, it's just allegory.

with love

Nick

From:     dave@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] [Off Topic] Oil Junkies

George Bush is an arrogant little fuck, ain't he?

Without control of the middle east oil fields, the US economy would crumble. We have the technology to develop sustainable energy on a global scale, but now that the politicians and lobbyists [for the fossil fuel giants] are one and the same... it looks bleak indeed. We could be leaders of a bright and beautiful future of sustainability but instead the reptillian brain dominates. I feel sad for what my daughter will face.

Hemp alone could solve many of our problems, from deforestation (sustainable pulp/fiber products) to biodiesel, and of course for medicinal purposes. :^)

one of my iboga visions was a gigantic syringe extracting tar from the earth, and then being injected back into the multitudes.

I just realized now it wasn't tar (heroin) at all, but oil.

we are seriously thinking of going off-grid, or as much as possible, for I realize I too, am an oil junkie.

Harm Reduction for the planet!

Time to put the solar panels back on the white house [and our own houses]!

another thought... the oil giants should be funding this horrible war, not us tax payers!

meanwhile...

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/--------> it's a beautiful day out here in the pacific.

_.DH

 --- sacrament@... wrote:
Hi all,

Sacrament of Transition appeared in December's issue
of Playboy (in
slovene language). The article is about smaller
(country recognised)
religions - in fact, the article is "overview of the
most unusual
religious communities in Slovenia". Let me try to
translate ;-))
(not everything, just what they say about the
Sacrament of Transition!)

...Absolutely autochtone Slovene religious
community, and in the world
scale complete unicum, is Sacrament of Transition.
It is officially
registered for five years and it's one of the

smallest religious
communities, based in Maribor. They strive for right
for clean air and
water, because our bodies have to deal with
un-poisoning instead of
dealing with religious realisation. Their leader
Marko R. Resinovic says
that followers of religion believe in God, with whom
they communicate
through so called "Sacred Sacrament". They believe
in post-mortal life
which beginns when our consciousness leaves the
shell of earthly body.
Resinovic didn't want to tell how many members this
interesting religious
community has, but he explained that members don't
meet at some regular
seances or rites, but rather "we are connected on a
higher level through
initiation".

Initiation (the rite of accepting new members) means
in fact use of
Ibogaine (which is another name for the sacred
Sacrament), a notorious
herbal stimulans of the nervous system, and

everything can be repeated "
based on wishes of an individual". It depends on how
many times he/she
wants to have a conversation with God. Resinovic
added that "higher
priests use BIOcybernetics for direct contact with
God, and we want to
gradually expand it to all layers"

Hope it makes some sense to you ;-))
The translation, I mean ;-)))

Oh, I almost forgot: Miss December is blonde.
(no offense meant!)

Marko

From:     sacrament@...

Subject:        [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Hi Lee,

this is a bit hard to explain, but I'll try...

Sacrament of Transition is quite an unconventional religious community;
for example, we only have 4 hollidays per year; they are called Spring,
Summer, Automn and Winter, and they are corresponding to seasons (each of
these holidays starts and ends as the corresponding season does).

Then, our Sacred Sacrament is considered an illegal drug in some countries
of this world. There were attempts to make it illegal in Slovenia, too,

but I managed to stop that nonsense. I told them (this was during the
meeting at the Ministry for Health, with 12 people from different
Faculties, Institutes, Office for Drugs, Ministries... and they all wanted
to put Ibogaine on our equivalent of Schedule 1 list) that it's perfectly
OK to ban IBO, but according to The Law they first have to prove it's
dangerous (this means pre-clinical and clinical trials ;-) and I told them
that officially recognised religious community uses it as The Sacred
Sacrament, and if they ban it I will protest all around the world because
of violation of our basic human and religious rights...

The consequence of this is that Ibogaine is not illegal in Slovenia. It
can be used as The Sacred Sacrament, but cannot be used for treating any
medical conditions.

Then, this thing about clean air and water. Sacrament of Transition has a
right(as any other officially recognised religion) to sign a treaty with
the Republic of Slovenia, in which open questions between the two are
cleared out. I wrote many demands about this, but our government shows no
intentions to sign this contract.

So, in a way, Sacrament of Transition is certanly not a kind of religion
our government would like to have in the country. Basically, they can
prohibit IBO any time they want, and if it was only IBO which made our
religion, then Sacrament of Transition could be deleted in this case.

BUT, there's BIOcybernetics. It's really complex, it involves God
(although it's pure science!), and I embedded it into Sacrament of
Transition.

If you read about it it may sound stupid, idiotic, or whatever negative.
But when you start practicing it, you slowly realise that not only it's
not negative, but is highly positive - it's just we're not used to it ;-)

And, BIOcybernetics is a great base for a religion. It can be helpful to
anyone. But to (finally) answer you: "gradually" can be a long time, and
"higher priests" can mean only two people... and yes, at least two higher
priests benefit from the use of BIOcybernetics.

Hope this clearifies a bit. I'll be glad to answer additional questions.

;-)

Marko

       

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

That's perfect, marko.

How can I become a member? Do I need to live in Slovenia to become

A Iboga sacrament minister?

From:     sacrament@...

Subject:        [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Yes, Sara, I know it's perfect! Literrally ;-)))

To become a member is very simple: you consider yourself a member - and
that's it.

To become a priest is a bit more complicated: you have to e-mail me your
name and address together with your expressed wish to become a priest.
Then we'll consider your application and decide; if we decide that you're
suitable for a priest, then I'll send you an official Sacrament of
Transition paper that you are appointed for a priest of such-and-such
level.

You, Sara, can become a priest(ess) anytime you want!

But, the majority of people should prove that they are well versed in
IBOsitting, and related things...

Marko

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Thank you very much, That make's me very happy.
I'm already a minister at the Amsterdam THC-ministry.
This is just what I need.

Sara

       

From:     sacrament@...

Subject:        Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Hi Marko,

I am uncertain if I am a member but, I would certainly like to be.  Please
advise.

Howard

Hi Howard,

your case is a bit more complicated...

Just joking ;-))

If you want to be a member, then you are a member! No problem at all ;-)

And, if you want to be a priest, then (I guess) there's no problem,

either. Just have to ask the High Priest for Americas; I'm sure he agrees
with all his hearth, but, you know, he should be the one who gives titles
over there; it would be very unethnical from me to just give you a title
without him knowing/approving it =)

Speaking of titles for priests, I'd like to - ahm - change them, and I'd
like some input from the list. Please give me your ideas for titles for
priests. "High Priest" and "Lower Priest" or "2nd step Priest" are such
dull titles, I think it would be much better if these titles were much
more colourfull, richer in their meaning and joyfull to see.

I had an idea that the title should content "IBO". Like IBOnaut, for
example (but no way IBOgod!!), but I would include other juicy titles as
well.

Hope I'll get a lot of input!

And one more thing, regarding Sara's already being a priest somewhere
else: to be a member (or a priest, too) of the Sacrament of Transition
doesn't mean that you must not be a member of any other religion; we are
very <...in searching of a proper word...>
tolerant/broadbandhearthed/generous...

Marko

From:     carlambarnes@...

Subject:        Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Hi vector, I'll send you email offlist ;-)

I think if anyone talked to me like that I would think
they're a total jerk and walk away from them. Patrick
is someone who I've known for years, he was my role
model for when I got clean, I've seen him help a lot
of people and he keeps doing it. He's cute, a lot of
men are cute. What's important then most men don't
understand is how to communicate anything, Patrick
communicates better then nearly anyone I've ever heard
of, he's very good at that. Communicating is what
makes attraction keep going. He is a amazing
communicator but during all these years when different
people have come on and off the list and with whatever
all gets said, I wouldn't go to him for relationship
advice. I know his ex wife turned into a
schizophrenic, all of this was said in the open so I
feel ok to say it, but someone who sleeps around all
over the place and won't ever open to anyone else is
usually a person who is very hurt. I've never seen
patrick keep talking with anyone female or stay with
anyone, except mash and I don't want to go there.
Patrick is a really incredible person, because he is
who he is in spite of what his life has been. His
advice might help you "get laid" but he's the last
person I would ask about relationship advice, I have
the feeling that when anything real happens he leaves
and won't deal with it, or can't yet. I think that's
not a big problem and maybe someday in the future he
will. You would probably learn a lot more about

relationships from Howard ;-)

Marko I can't resist, why is Dana in the church of
ibogaine? ;-)

Patrick you're confusing a entire generation of young
men who will get slapped if they do what they think
you're doing and don't understand anything else ;-)

Love to all of you here!

Carla B

From:     sacrament@...

Subject:        [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Is he? I don't know. He hasn't clearify himself about this (not that I
remember).

But if he is, it's his basic human right.

It's against The Constitution (and against basic sense) to deny someone
his wish to be a member of any religion. Even if he/she doesn't want to
ingest the Sacred Sacrament...

I even have a priest who didn't want to do initiation herself (by that I
mean she didn't want to take IBO) for years, and finally did it this
summer. And she was glad she did it!

Maybe, just maybe, Dana will do it, too.

Someday...

Marko

From:     dave@...

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine] McKenna and those who don't see dreams

Collective conscience, yep. It also has to do with the development of the relationship between plant spirit and human spirit. What I sensed from Iboga is that Humans have been ingesting it for centuries and centuries and a vast amount of experience has developed between plant and man over the years... the incremental building of the holodeck if you will. its like the root of knowledge, its database expanding exponentially with each interaction.  Also of course Ayahuasca, Psilocibin, et al - McKenna talked about this stuff, psychedelics playing a vital role in the development of man; socially, mentally,  linguistically and spiritually on a collective-conscience level.

another description is that it opens the portal to higher self via the astral self.

_.dh

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine] dark entities & addiction

Hey Julie,Hey guys,

Ahhhh,well this is day,....18,   gee,... took a while to work that out.
Still mentally exhausted,though better.Actually still exhausted all round,
But a bit better every day.Music is great,I too,am rediscovering music.
My body is slowly coming back to life.

Considering the gift of awareness and now being off the Done'
The lack of energy is nothing in comparison,even though it is a big deal.
Comparing to what I am receiving these residuals are nothing.

Half my soul was out of my body and half inside whilst on the
done,everything was harder whilst on the Done'going against the grain.
Now I feel like the other half of my soul wants to move back in,now that
My body is clean(my temple),I will have my whole soul back. I feel like
I am now twice as capable as before,......and I'm excited,hey beautiful
world are you prepared for Jasen.

Things seem so clear and easy now. So much more is possible,I can still be
and do whatever my heart desires,the things I can now accomplish seem so
simple to attain.Just a matter of thought ,word and action.It's almost
systematic,actually that is exactly what it is.The system is now simple
I am being tuned in.

A lot of emotional blockages being released. Exhausted crying,good stuff.
When I cry,it is a tired deep cry,old bottled up emotions being slowly
released like steam from a pressure cooker.Feels good afterwards.

Getting massages,have had 4 so far,Magic,....the guy is sooooo good,normally
I would prefer a female but in this case the guy was like Jesus himself
massing me and healing me,best ever in my life,and I have been massaged
hundreds if not thousands of times,he is the best.

Still feel light headed,not so much as before however still there.A little
Dissiness still. Feels like I have been taking clonadine or another type of
Medication that lowers your bloodpressure. I feel though that this low blood
pressure is a part of the healing and if we take medication to offset it
,well then we Might be offsetting the value of the low blood pressure.
Just a thought.

I tell you what the Cannabis really helps,especially as a tea,helps with
sleep and lack of sleep is probably the worst part.

I felt as though I did not sleep for the first 7 days,I must of a little here

and there,though no memory of it,after taking mushrooms,|got my first good

sleep,they seemed to  release blocked energy in my brain.

Sleep is still difficult though easier every day.

I am not a tripper,well I did a bit when I was 14 and 15. I tell you though,
Taking natural mushrooms on two accasions helped greatly,I would not ever
have thought so,however Sara is right mushrooms help.I suppose anything in
moderation.

This email is taxing,energy wise,but I'm so bored I have to type,so much
effort to do anything,typing half the pace,Mmmmmm.

Wow,the feeling of being off the Doné' is wonderfully freeing.

I am Free
I am Free
I am Free
And it is wonderful!


                           With love Jasen :)
Sara

From:     sara119@...

Subject:        RE: [Sacrament] Re: [Sacrament] Playboy article

Thanks Marko,
I admire any rank.
With all the respect to our sacrament.

Sara

From:     nick227@...

Subject:        RE: [Ibogaine]  For Nick out of topic dark entities & addiction

-----Original Message-----
From: The Garden [mailto:GardenRestaurant@...]
Sent: 05 December 2004 21:18
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: [Ibogaine] For Nick out of topic dark entities & addiction


Hi Nick !

Thank you for your E-Mail. Obviously we have a different opinion
on demon ,
:-) I enjoy the topic even if I am not an Excorcist
I think in my humble opinion that you have different types of Dai-mon or
lost soul or nature  spirit  etc..


Hey Francis,

I don't argue there are different types of demon, whatever. Just pointing
out that in actuality they are all You! All just facets of Yourself. The
discriminatory function of mind that allows us to say this thing is
different from that itself proceeds from one core assumption - that You are
this body, these feelings, this mind. This is also fine but it is only one
aspect of who you are - it is who you are as an ego, as a relative entity
surrounded by other relative entities.

If you take a big dose of iboga, as during Bwiti initiation, the
stranglehold of ego-consciousness can be broken for a while and the mind's
partitioning is cut through. They called it "breaking open the head." In
this space you are joined to the universal mind. You experience the
un-barrieredness of life, just flowing where it will. And you are aware that
it is all You. From this perspective and from the memory of this experience
you can see that it matters not what something looks like for what it
fundamentally IS is You. Big demons, little demons, ones with pointy teeth
or big scary hebrew names, it just doesn't matter because they are all You.
They are all what you are giving yourself to grow as an ego.

So...to try and cast them out is merely the discriminatory function of mind
operating from an unenlightened, fear-based perspective. And for sure it
will go on. But, once the stranglehold of ego-consciousness is broken for a
while then the sheer folly of trying to cast anything out of anywhere will
be so apparent that the fear will dissipate and what we are afraid of can be
looked at more closely.


For esample :
Robert Louis Stevenson credited " is little people, or brownies" as he
called them for is litterary output. I think they where nice,
begnin little
creature.
Socrate' s daimon had been interpreted as his higher self, unconscious ...
and at this end was a moralist Dai-mon never an evil being
In the case of  Pearl Curran  writting books after books ain a perfect
medieval style we have the collaboration of a begnin entitie.I
love the case
of Rosemary Brown and her relation with the soul of Frantz Liszt .
But you have anothers demons like in the mass possession of loudun
http://www.nd.edu/~dharley/witchcraft/Loudun.html

and I've seen very scary possession in Africa quite similar to the one of

Loudin

You wrote :
And for sure the route of "casting out demons" will
be tried and tested.

It been done as far as we know everyday, everywhere for more than 4 000
years.


Yes, and it will go on until there is the realization of who we actually
are. Then it will stop because there will be no more choice to believe there
is anywhere else but You. I was hanging out with a Balinese guy called Ratu

Bagus recently (www.ratubagus.org.uk), helping on one of his retreats. He's
a Qi Gong master who was brought up with martial arts, Kung Fu and that. He
said that at some point he realized it was pointless to teach Kung Fu
anymore, despite being a great master, as there wasn't actually anybody for
anyone to fight! He had realized who he was and in so doing had realized
that there weren't actually any enemies! Same thing with demons, we go on
trying to cast them out until we realize who we actually are. Then it's
pointless!


You are God and
there's only You in the universe


This is an existential truth remembered by those who have experienced it.
There's also the relative truth of being an ego and wanting nice things
which we all have. Both are equally valid, it's just that some are more
aware of the former than others. It doesn't matter.

with love

Nick

From:     GardenRestaurant@... 

Subject:        Re: [Ibogaine]  For Nick out of topic dark entities & addiction

Hi Nick !

You wrote :
I don't argue there are different types of demon, whatever. Just pointing
out that in actuality they are all You! All just facets of Yourself. The
discriminatory function of mind that allows us to say this thing is
different from that itself proceeds from one core assumption - that You
are
this body, these feelings, this mind. This is also fine but it is only one
aspect of who you are - it is who you are as an ego, as a relative entity
surrounded by other relative entities.

If you take a big dose of iboga, as during Bwiti initiation, the
stranglehold of ego-consciousness can be broken for a while and the mind's
partitioning is cut through. They called it "breaking open the head."

*Who are they ?

 In
this space you are joined to the universal mind. You experience the
un-barrieredness of life, just flowing where it will. And you are aware
that
it is all You.

* How do you know it is all you ? How the observer could be the subject of
his observation ?

 From this perspective and from the memory of this experience
you can see that it matters not what something looks like for what it
fundamentally IS is You. Big demons, little demons, ones with pointy teeth
or big scary hebrew names, it just doesn't matter because they are all
You.
They are all what you are giving yourself to grow as an ego.


* How can I give me something myself that I dont know ?

So...to try and cast them out is merely the discriminatory function of
mind
operating from an unenlightened,

* Who said unenlightened ? How do I know when I am enlightened or not. Who

said so ?

fear-based perspective.

* Who said so ?  You can cast entities out of yourself or from somebody else

out of compassion or love.For the entity or yourself.

And for sure it
will go on. But, once the stranglehold of ego-consciousness is broken for
a
while

* How do you  know the exact moment that our ego-consciousness is broken.
Who tell you is broken and that is not a mere effect of  your hallucination ?

 then the sheer folly of trying to cast anything out of anywhere will
be so apparent that the fear will dissipate and what we are afraid of can
be
looked at more closely.

* I try to believe in what's work and that a deliberate choice . If my

belief is not working I change it.

Example :If you come to see me and have a  reccurent nightmare, phobia or

pain. I will try to find a way to go the roots of it. Generally I use Time
line Therapie or I will go further with in time with a Past Life  Therapie.
Then we find the event and change the modalities of it. You come back and
the nightmare, phobia or pain are gone. That's work, I don't know exactly

why and who but I was looking for a result and I had it. That's enough for

me.
I always ask if it's something or someone his there  in the (client -
friend - patient ) that would like to tell me something.If someone answer me
I will work with the entitie with the same approach: gentle, patient and
compassionate but firm and will help the entitie to go to the Light. The
client - friend - patient will feel and incredible release, sometimes even a

bit of sadness ( they've been together for many years ) and the symptoms

will disappears. Generally what I found are lost soul too frightened to
leave this dimension.
I can't change my belief system on entities or demons .

Why ? this will condemn me to deny thousand of years of knowledge

accumulated by the human family all over the planet.  Second I will have to

give up a precious tool in helping others.Believe me , I am a reluctant
practitioner when it comes to this type of work :-) because I am by nature
not very courageous but I have a strong faith and believe in the power of
compassion in our life.
God Bless

Francis

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