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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:16:14 -0500
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #61: Jerusalem Makes 93 Cities on the Global Marijuana
March May 7, 2005!
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 93 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAthensAshevilleAucklandBergenBerlinBooneBoulderBudapestBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiColorado SpringsColumbiaDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEugeneFayettevilleFrankfurtFt. SmithHartfordHachitaHoustonJerusalemKansas CityKristiansandLethbridgeLexingtonLondonLos AngelesMexico CityMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew PaltzNew YorkNimbinOgdenOuluOsloParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRenoRichmondRoanokeRomeRosarioRostockSan FranciscoSarasotaSavannahSpokaneStavangerStevens PointSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaThunder BayTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloTurkuUpper LakeVancouverViennaVisaliaWarsawWashington, D.C.Wilkes-BarreWilmingtonThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current-------------------------*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****From: aclrm@...Webgreeetings all,
The new web page for the Nimbin Marijuana March is http://www.nimbinaustralia.com/mardigrass2005/mmmarch.html, please use this URL in all future linkings
Till next
Peace
Max Stone
Before we delve into the brief history of Nimbin MMMMarches, I think it best that I Emphasize the fact that unlike in all previous years, the 2005 Marijuana March WILL NOT coincide with the Nimbin Mardigrass on May 1st.
Thus for the first time, in a long time, the good citizens of Nimbin and the rainbow region will be able to show their 'grass root' support for Just Cannabis Law Reform in a no glitz, no glamour required demonstration, because that is exactly "the least" that every other town on earth is supposed to do, and so march is what we going to do, leaving FROM the H.E.M.P Bar at 4.20 PM.... along Cullen Street to the Police Station, where upon we will chant...
Please help us - change the Law.
Please come and share this herb.
Please help us - lobby the Government.
Please help us - End Just Cannabis Prohibition.
At which time, a representative from the N.S.W Police of (high rank) will co sign a treaty to end the war on just cannabis users and announce, with a toke on a huge out door bud, the imminent implementation of "the Fast Track Proposal for the Nimbin Valley"....... or not...----------------Australian State First To Implement Random On-Road Drug Tests For
Motorists
Melbourne, Australia: Law enforcement officers in Victoria,
Australia are prepared to begin administering random roadside saliva
testing later this month to detect for the presence of marijuana and
other illicit substances as part of a 12-month pilot project. The plan
marks the first widespread use of saliva testing technology by police
anywhere in the world.
Motorists administered the test will have a small absorbent pad
placed on their tongue. Initial results from the test will be available
in approximately five minutes, although all positive tests would need to
be confirmed by a laboratory test, according to Australian news reports.
Saliva testing, unlike urinalysis, detects the presence of parent
drugs, not drug metabolites (inert compounds produced from chemical
changes of a drug in the body). In general, parent drugs are detectable
in the saliva for less than 24 hours. However, the test does not
indicate impairment.
Presently, the use of saliva testing to identify the presence of
drugs is rarely used in the United States, which relies primarily on
urinalysis to determine whether an individual has previously used an
illicit substance. However, a positive urine test - even when confirmed -
does not indicate recency of drug use or impairment of performance.
For more information, please contact Paul Armentano, NORML SeniorPolicy Analyst, at (202) 483-5500.------------------------From: NeedelR@...Dana: Jerusalem is ON. The phone # has been updated to (011 972) 545 344 859in israel 646 372 8494 for the states (till jan 15th) and NeedelR@... remains the e-mail
i should be around soon, i'm NY now. Let the people know.-----------------------------
From: DONALD CHRISTEN
To: rel@...
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: hempfest 2005
Hello,
I would love to come up and do that.
Tel. 696-8167
Thanks,
Regarding the recent raid of my home and an article ran by the Morning Sentinel about the bust and what happened. Let me try to get the facts into the story instead of the Misinformation the Sentinel purported to the public the next day. They haven't so much as even called to get the "other side" of the story.
I have started the first Distribution and growing operation for Medical Marijuana Patients in the State of Maine, and announced this at our annual Harvest Festival on Oct. 2nd and 3rd 2004. Any patient who has medical need for marijuana can contact me at mainevocals@... , 696-8167, or Maine Vocals, 65 Shusta Rd., Madison, Maine, 04950. The patient must sign a form that authorizes me to be their provider of medical marijuana. Our forms are available on our web site, www.mainevocals.net . This is a sworn statement signed by a notary or lawyer making this a legal document swearing to the patients need for the marijuana.
The patient should have a statement from their doctor or medical records to support their use of medical marijuana, and should also supply their provider with this info to have on hand for the Authorities/Public Servants should they invite themselves to your home to raid you. Keep them posted at the door to your home and copies inside in a file. This is the only legal defense we have according to the Maine Law which the Authorities, Our Public Servants are ignoring.
After being designated by the patient, I, or any one else who will, can legally provide the patient with up to 2 ˆ Ounces of processed Marijuana at a time, and grow up to 6 marijuana plants at a time for each patient. No more than 3 of the patients plants can be in the Flowering Stage at a time though while growing their 6 plants. Although the law is inadequate and needs to be amended it is all we have for now. Anyone who decides to try to help needy patients should know the laws and go strictly by them at this time as the Authorities will try to stop you and make you look like a criminal in the public's eyes.
These same Public Servants don't care that the Public voted overwhelmingly in 1998 to legalizes medical marijuana or so they thought. They have no compassion towards the needs of the People of the State of Maine, and they don't intend to abide by the law we the people empowered. This problem goes all the way to the top with the legislators and gov. as they have failed to implement a distribution program that provides for the People of the State of Maine. It is quite obvious that the law needed a distribution program and other crucial changes, which the elected representation has failed to do much with up to this point, although they did change the amount a patient can possess from 1 1/4 ounces to 2 ˆ . (Still nowhere near enough though)
It has been over 6 years since the People voted for this law, 6 years of ignoring the public's needs. Until a distribution program is added to the state law, the above method is all we have to utilize in Maine and anyone can do this. If you know of needy people then it's up to you, are you going to stand back and not help them? I hope not.
Now that you are aware of what is going on you can see why the Public Servants came to see me as they are trying to stop the Distribution of Marijuana to patients in need by their appointed Provider. If there was an investigation they would have seen that this was what was happening in my residence, not some Kingpin operation as they hoped to find.
At about 6:30 AM came the knock at the door. I had arrived home from work at about 6:00 AM and gone to bed, so my wife had answered the door. I heard her outside talking with someone so I got up to see what was up. The Public Servants were in the process of explaining to her that they all knew she had cancer and was taking chemotherapy when I arrived at the door, and they promptly handed me the warrant, signed by a justice of the peace, to inspect before they entered. By my entryway door, the medical provider information is posted for 4 people I have agreed to help, plus my wife who has cancer and is now undergoing chemo therapy, and myself with back and muscle injury. All patients therapy is verifiable and need is bonafide gave that paperwork to the lead man in charge, but it didn't matter. I put my dogs in their pen and the search started. It wasn't much of a search as all the marijuana wasn't hidden, everything was out in the open as if there was nothing to hide which was exactly the case. Entrance to the grow room was hard to locate, and it should be to ensure privacy and security, but the room itself was not. The Search lasted about 3 3/4 hours, and they arrested and took me to Jail at that time.
They waited to book me until after the banks had closed in case anyone who wanted to bail me out needed to get cash out of an account they couldn't, then posted a $10,000.00 cash bail no securities, with a holiday the next day to make it harder to make the bail. All this did make things harder for all those who wanted to help, but now could not because of the DA's timing and cash stipulations for the bail. Anyone can see what they did, but that doesn't matter to them, they don't care and who's to stop them. The two days in jail is nothing compared to what my wife was going though at home, say nothing about the other patients who's supply of medicine was taken from them. Many people were involved with helping with my bail and I thank them all for their efforts. My wife was able to bail me the second day even with the holiday with all of the help of friends and concerned citizens at about 5pm.
The Public Servants gave me a court date of Jan. 15, 2005, which is a Saturday. This shows just how much this particular servant investigates things, much like the investigation they say they had to get a warrant for my home. We shall see.
The Authorities and public servants will do anything to stop the medical marijuana laws from being functional in Maine irrigardless of the Law that We The People overwhelmingly voted for.This must be stopped now and the courts must render a order that tells them to stop the harrassment and persecution of medical marijuana users and their care givers.
----------------From: gatewood@...Announcing the Publication of
THE LAST FREE MAN IN AMERICA:
Meets The Synthetic Subversion
THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF
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To join us & help support the hemp/marijuana issue,
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If you missed the Hemptress & Gatewood on
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please visit www.hemprock.com to listen.
Announcing the Publication of
THE LAST FREE MAN IN AMERICA:
Meets The Synthetic SubversionTHE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF GATEWOOD GALBRAITH---------------------From: drifter45011@...dear kynd folks at cures not wars.org,
i have been to many marijuana marches and such events all across the us. the one that stands out the most of all is the million marijuana march in columbus ohio in 2000 at the ohio state university. heres why that one stands out the best of at least 30-40 other marches nationwide. even in a lot of no or low tolerance states, crowd control and uniformed officers tend to turn the other cheek at rally's. especially if there is no violence or even overly excited participants. but in columbus in 2000, i seen at least 6-7 marked cars that had temp. magnets on the side of their cars that said " legalize it". couldnt believe my eyes. then i seen about 12-16 UNIFORMED officers with a small magnet across thier badge that read " legalize marijuana". all officers that i seen or heard about were very open about their support for the cause. i seen a small handfull of the same officers puffing openly. they werent going around trying to by anything from any of the kids. one of the officers whom i briefly spoke to said that the cops that felt comfortable smoking in front of probabley 2 thousand participants and observers, brought very small amount for themselves. i ask why. the officer( was a very decorated sargent) stated that none of the officers wanted to even try to get something of any of the kids. baffled again i ask why. he said " all of the officers knew that if they even approached 1 kid to buy, that the whole energy of many people would change. and that none of the intentions of any of the officers was to make any arrests as long as there was no violence.
my question. do you have any pics at all of the event i talked about. i dont need faces really. just would like to show couple friends who are constantly bitching about the pot laws in ohio. would like pics to show people how liberal ohio is compared to most states..
if no pics any info on event would be nice.
hope someone reads this.
one people, one love--------------From: revtombrown@...To all our relations.
Greetings in the name of the most high, Jah Rastafari, ever faithful, ever sure, Jah Rastafari.
One Love Brethren.
Well Brethren this has been an exciting week. We learned of the UDV Church victory at the Federal 10th Circuit Court of Appeals en banc on a 10 to 3 vote. Now we learn below that the Ashcroft has appealed that government loss to the Supreme Court. Should the Supreme's pick it up, and uphold it, that will hold for the entire nation.
A word of caution here. The UDV Case is primarily about the status of the church to demand a preliminary injunction against the government prior to a final trial on the issues of whether or not the Schedule I drug DMT can be prohibited for church use.
It will be relatively easy for the Supremes to take this up and turn it down on the simple proposition that the government should not be injuncted against without a full trial on the issues of the dangers of the DMT. That will put the church back at trial on the issues before they can obtain relief. This could set back the church for another couple of years without effecting the final church victory at all. So, be cautious about this victory - it is a lawyers victory at this point and can easily be turned asunder.
But inspite of all that, first we have the transcript of the Supreme Court oral arguments on the Raich case. What a find. We won't have to speculate anymore about what the judges said, here it is word for word.
Enjoy Brethren, for Victory is ours as we stand on the Rock of Truth in Jah's light.
One Love revtombrown
PS thanks to Rev. David Jacks of Northern Lights Church for these citations.
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Angel Raich vs. Ashcroft Supreme Court oral argument transcript.
http://lsolum.blogspot.com/archives/2004_11_01_lsolum_archive.html#110176
Dean Becker
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Supreme Court urged to block hallucinogenic tea in churchTea from the Amazon at center of dispute
Wednesday, December 1, 2004 Posted: 5:22 PM EST (2222 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration asked the Supreme Court on Wednesday to stop a New Mexico church from using hallucinogenic tea while the government appeals a decision backing the church.
The government has been in a long-running legal fight with the Brazil-based O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal over hoasca tea, brewed from plants found in the Amazon River Basin.
The church won a preliminary injunction in a lower court, and justices were asked to intervene.
"Compliance with the injunction would force the United States to go into violation of an international treaty designed to prevent drug trafficking worldwide, which could have both short- and long-term foreign relations costs and could impair the policing of transnational drug trafficking involving the most dangerous controlled substances," acting Solicitor General Paul Clement wrote in a court filing.
The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Colorado, has found that the church probably has a religious-freedom right to use the tea.
The church's leader had sued after federal agents raided his office in Santa Fe in 1999 and seized 30 gallons of hoasca tea. The tea contains DMT, a controlled substance.
The Bush administration already has one drug appeal at the Supreme Court. Justices heard arguments earlier this week in that case, which asks whether the federal government can prosecute patients who smoke marijuana on doctors' orders and in states that have medical marijuana laws.
The case is Ashcroft v. O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal, A-469.
__________________________________________________________________________
Federal 10th Circuit Court of Appeals
En Banc Upholds Religious Hoasca Use
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/363/udv.shtml
A New Mexico-based branch of a Brazilian church that uses an Amazonian psychedelic in its ceremonies has for the third time fended off the federal government's attempt to ban the practice in the United States. In a November 10 ruling, the full US 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver affirmed a ruling by a three-judge panel of the same court last year upholding a US district court decision granting a preliminary injunction barring the government from interfering in the religious use of the drug.
The ruling came in a case that originated in 1999, when US Customs agents raided the US headquarters of the Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal (UDV -- Union of the Vegetable) in Santa Fe and seized 30 gallons of hoasca, a tea brewed from two plants found only in the Amazon. The government argued that because the preparation contained naturally occurring traces of the powerful psychedelic DMT ( a Schedule I drug like LSD ). Hoasca is a drug regulated by the Controlled Substances Act.
Customs picked on the wrong people. The US branch of the UDV is headed by Jeffrey Bronfman, heir to the Seagram's whiskey fortune, who promptly sued for relief, claiming violations of the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Every court that has heard the case has now agreed that, like peyote use in the Native American Church, the sacramental use of hoasca by the UDV is protected by the act.
Under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the government must show a compelling interest in interfering with a religious practice. In the case of substances used for religious purposes, the government must also show that the practice is risky to the health of participants and that it would lead to substantial leakage of the drug use into non-protected groups (i.e. just regular people). As US District Court Judge James Parker found in his initial ruling in favor of the UDV, "the Government has not shown that applying the [Controlled Substance Act's] prohibition on DMT to the UDV's use of hoasca furthers a compelling interest. This Court cannot find, based on the evidence presented by the parties, that the government has proven that hoasca poses a serious health risk to members of the UDV who drink the tea in a ceremonial setting. Further, the Government has not shown that permitting members of the UDV to consume hoasca would lead to significant diversion of the substance to non-religious use."
In its decision last week, the 10th Circuit reaffirmed that finding and upheld the issuance of a preliminary injunction barring the federal government from interfering. While this ruling merely affirms the two previous rulings, there is a significant difference: Now, the UDV will actually be able to start doing its hoasca ceremonies again. According to an e-mail from Bronfman to supporters, that could happen as soon as Thanksgiving.
"The District Court's order requires the DEA register our church as a legal importer and distributor of our sacrament, before we begin holding our ceremonies. Up until now they have not done this pending the outcome of their appeal," wrote Bronfman. "Although it is still possible that the Solicitor General and the Justice Department may now ask the United States Supreme Court to rehear their case, that is the last recourse they have left. We are hopeful now that three different courts have all reviewed the evidence and testimony (and all have reached the same conclusion in our favor) that the Supreme Court will allow this preliminary ruling to stand."
Read, forward and print the US 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling at:
http://pacer.ca10.uscourts.gov/pdf/02-2323.pdf*************************BUSHWHACKED!!****************************Jesse Jackson Joins Critics of Ohio Votehttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/113004Y.shtml
Rumsfeld Sued for Alleged War Crimes
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120104X.shtml
Marjorie Cohn | Setting the Conditions for War Crimes
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/113004A.shtml
Nationwide Voting Errors Tallied, More Than 30,000 Complaints Lodged
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120204Y.shtmlACLU Seeking FBI Investigation Files on Political, Religious Groupshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120304Y.shtmlFBI's 9/11 Translation Scandal Heats Up; Whistle-blowers Emergehttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120204V.shtml-------------------National Leadership Forum XV
January 11-13, 2005
Washington Convention Center
Washington, DC
More than 3,000 community coalition members, substance abuse prevention
and treatment specialists, and related professionals from throughout the
country will convene in Washington, D.C. for CADCA's National Leadership
Forum XV on January 11-13, 2005 at the Washington Convention Center.
CADCA's National Leadership Forum is the nation's largest training
conference for community coalition activists and substance abuse
professionals, featuring more than 80 workshops on the latest research
in the substance abuse prevention and treatment fields.
Visit http://cadca.org for details.
Workshops include:
NIDA'S PERSPECTIVE: CONSEQUENCES AND TREATMENT OF MARIJUANA ABUSE: WHERE
ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE GOING?
Presenters: Frank Vocci, Ph.D., Director, Division of Pharmacotherapies
& Medical Consequences of Drug Abuse National Institute on Drug Abuse
National Institutes of Health, Lisa Simon Onken, Ph.D., Chief,
Behavioral and Integrative Treatment Branch, Division of Clinical
Neurobiology, Development Behavioral Treatment, National Institute on
Drug Abuse
Marijuana is the most widely used illicit drug in the United States ,
especially among youth. An under-appreciated fact about marijuana is
that it can be addictive; an estimated 9% of marijuana users become
addicted at some point in their lives. Marijuana abuse has health and
social costs to the individual, their families and society. In this
workshop, we will discuss some of the consequences of marijuana abuse
and highlight new research directions on marijuana treatment using
medications and behavioral strategies.
STRENGTHENING GRASSROOTS INNOVATIVE PREVENTION PROGRAMS: A MULTICULTURAL
CASE STUDY (NREPP )
Presenters: Chelsey Goddard & Wayne Harding, CSAP's NE CAPT, Sandra Del
Sesto, Human Ecology Associates and Initiatives for Human Development
Using an actual case study of a prevention program based in a
multicultural setting, this workshop will assist participants to
identify their program's strengths and gaps of the innovative program,
as well as future directions in order to move up the scale of
effectiveness. Participants will hear from a prevention professional who
has experienced the process of formalizing and honing a program's
design, implementation and evaluation. In addition, technical experts
who have assisted various programs in advancing through the National
Registry of Effective Programs and Practices (NREPP) process will
provide advice on how to move grassroots programs forward and position
them for possible additional funding.
DIFFUSION OF INNOVATION: ARE WE MOVING TO SCIENCE-BASED PROGRAMS?
Presenter: Carlton Hall, Channing Bete Company
This workshop will help participants apply the research on diffusion of
innovations to the dissemination of science-based approaches to
prevention and youth development. This interactive workshop will help
participants identify obstacles to diffusion of innovative science-based
approaches in their own communities and work with others to design
strategies for overcoming obstacles.
April Brubach
Manager, Dissemination & Coalition Relations
CADCA's National Coalition Institute
625 Slaters Lane, Suite 300
Alexandria, VA 22314
703.706.0560 x260abrubach@...---------------From:ptpeet@... Subject:son of cia warlord held in mass murder case
Hi all,
While it's not fair to hold a son guilty simply for the sins of his father, now that Laotian General Vang Pao's son has apparently murdered six other hunters in Wisconsin, itseems to me it's a good time to look at one of the men the US government has allowed to seek refuge in our country. What with the current all-out war on terrorists AND on some drugs and users, it might leave some loyal, still flag-waving folk feeling a bit confused, but if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to always repeat it.
Heck, I'm growing convinced as of late that it doesn't matter, that even if we DO learn from history it won't change anything, that enough dumbells will always buy into the calls for war, hate, death and destruction, no matter what. That said, it doesn't mean I'm planning on hiding my head in the sand, only that I'm none too sure that calling "them" out for their sins is really going to accomplish much of anything. Still...
Peace and love to all,
Preston
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/national/24hunters.html?oref=login&th
son of cia warlord held in mass murder case
(my new title for the NYTimes' "Hunter Tells Police he was Threatened")snip-
Chai Vang is a son of Gen. Vang Pao, probably the best-known Hmong in the United States. General Vang Pao commanded the Hmong "secret army" that the Central Intelligence Agency assembled to fight Communism in Southeast Asia in the 1960's and 70's.
St. Paul has about 25,000 Hmong, and many enjoy hunting. By their own accounts, more than a few have had clashes with whites whose paths they have crossed in the North Woods.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/gunsdrugscia.html
snip-
For more on General Vang Pao, please see:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/gunsdrugscia.html
Guns, Drugs and the CIA
JOHN EVERINGHAM
I know as a fact soon after the army was formed the military officers soon got control of the opium trade. It helped not only them make a lot of money and become good loyal officers to the CIA but it helped the villagers. The villagers needed their opium carried out and carried over the land in a war situation that was much more dangerous and more difficult, and the officers were obviously paying a good price 'cos the villagers were very eager to sell to the military people.
HARRY ADERHOLT, U.S. General
That's hogwash. No way and as far as the agency ever, ever advocating that is do you think I would be in an organization where I've devoted my life to my country--involved in a operation like that without blowing the whistle?--absolutely not.
NARRATOR
For veterans like General Aderholt and General Secord the war in Laos is now commemorated at nostalgic reunions. Last fall they gathered at a Florida air base to talk over old times and current business.
While Vang Pao does not attend such functions, he is well remembered by his old comrades.
Frontline:
Was the agency responsible for people's salaries, were they paying Vang Pao?
Harry Aderholt:
Of course, they were a hundred percent responsible, because Vang Pao was responding to agency requirements, even though they may have come from the highest levels of the U.S. government, yes, of course.
Frontline:
He was in the chain of command.
Harry Aderholt:
Yes.
Frontline:
Did you work with Vang Pao?
Richard Secord:
Sure, all the time.
Frontline:
What was your relationship?
Richard Secord:
I was his supplier of air, therefore he stayed in close contact with me.
Frontline:
Were you in charge of supplying Air America planes?
Richard Secord:
For the tactical air operations, yes.
NARRATOR
The movement of Air America planes say witnesses were influenced by Vang Pao's business requirements.
Ron Rickenbach:
Vang Pao wanted control of the aircraft-- sure, he would do the work that needed to be done but it would give that much more freedom and that much more flexibility to use these aircraft to go out and pick up the opium that needed to be picked up at this site or that site and to bring it back to Long Chien, and there was quite a hassle and Vang Pao won. Not only did he get control of the aircraft, but there was also a question of the operational control of the airplanes that were leaving Long Chien to go south, even into Thailand, and there was an embarrassing situation where the Americans knew that this could be exposed and it would be a very compromising situation. The way they got around that was to concede, to create for Vang Pao his own local airline, and Xieng Kouang airlines came into reality as a direct result of this compromise that was worked out, and they brought in a C-47 from the states and they painted it up nice and put Xieng Kouang airlines on it and they gave it to Vang Pao, and that aircraft was largely used for the transshipment of opium from Long Chien to sites further south.
Frontline:
Air Opium?
Ron Rickenbach:
Air opium.
Harry Aderholt:
Those airlines didn't really belong to General Vang Pao.
Frontline:
They belonged to the agency.
Harry Aderholt:
They belonged to the agency. They were maintained by the United States government in the form of Air America or Continental, so they didn't really own anything. It wasn't something he could take away with him, it was something that we controlled every iota of that operation, lock, stock and barrel.
Frontline:
You know what the nickname for that airline was?
Richard Secord:
No.
Frontline:
Opium Air.
Richard Secord:
I've never heard that before.
NARRATOR
Back in the old days the men who flew for Air America and drank in the Purple Porpoise Bar in Vientiane were less discreet.
Most of them are long gone and far away from Laos now but one legendary CIA officer still lives across the Mekong River close to his old mountain battleground.
RON RICKENBACH
The man that was in charge of that local operation was a man by the name of Tony Poe, and he was notorious. He had been involved with the agency from the OSS days he was a World War II combat veteran and he had been with the agency from its inception and he was the prototype operations officer. They made a movie about him when they made Apocalypses Now. He was the caricature of Marlon Brando.
NARRATOR
Until now, Tony Poe has never talked publicly about the Laos operation. He saw it from beginning to end. one of Vang Pao's early case officers, Poe claims he was transferred from Long Chien because unlike his successors, he refused to tolerate the Meo leader's corruption.
TONY POE, Former CIA Officer
You don't let him run loose without a chain on him. You gotta control him just like any kind of an animal or a baby. You have to control him. Hey! He's the only guy that had a pair of shoes when I first met him--what are you talking about, why does he need Mercedes Benz, apartments and hotels and homes where he never had them in his life before. Why are you going to give it to him?
Frontline:
Plus he was making money on the side with his business?
Tony Poe:
Oh, he was making millions, 'cos he had his own source of, uh, avenue for his own, uh, heroin.
snip-
Peace and love,Preston Peet****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW $1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:HSLotsof@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Chronology of Selected Abstracts - Ibogaine/Opioids
The Ibogaine Dossier has been given permission by Addiction Research
Institute, Inc., a leading ibogaine development corporation to provide A Chronology of
Selected Abstracts, Ibogaine: Rapid Method for the Interruption of the
Narcotic Addiction Syndrome. The Chronology is an excellent collection of abstracts
relating to the use of ibogaine in the treatment of narcotic dependence as
well as, addressing safety issues. The document was originally presented at the
20th conference of the American Association for the Treatment of OpioidDependence (AATOD) held in Orlando in October 2004. It is also available as a
downloadable PDF document file. PDF files require an Adobe Reader. I you don't have
one, a free version may be obtained from Adobe. Just check
http://www.ibogaine.org/whatsnew.html for the Chronology.
Howardibogaine@...
Subject:[Ibogaine] Please heip in creating a pamphlet/website which includes aftercare modalities..Hello from Itacare, Brasil Dear List,
What i have experienced is people's preoccupation with, and willingness to create a post treatment aftercare, before and immediately after the ibogaine session is in direct accord to their staying clean.
My mentor, who introduced me to assist and provide ibogaine treatments, always has said that, in his opinion treatment with ibogaine is half of the equation and the other half involves how comprehensive an aftercare is created. I have found this to be true as well. Therefore, I would like if someone, or several people would help me access as many of the post treatment modalities as possible. I may receive disagreement, but from my end, ibogaine is now available everywhere for a reasonable price through a wide sliding scale. It's the other half of the equation we need to catch up on so we can have the most holistic protocol available to share. I'd like to create a pamphlet/website which specifically includes, from supplements, exercise, 12 step, transpersonal approaches, rational recovery, and yes, even medicines, living in places available in Costa Rica, dance (transpersonal or otherwise ), to share with those interested in receiving ibogaine treatment.Please help me access whatever is already available on the internet and write all other opinions on the list, or privately, if you prefer.
Thank you very much in advance,
Franscesco
www.ibogaineproject.comFrom:rachelradha@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] smoking cigs/Pot and addiction
I used to believe cannabis was non-addictive. But I
have met far too many people in the recovery rooms who
experienced physical symptoms from discontinuing The
Pot -- anxiety, weakness, aching, nausea, vomiting,
restlessness, sleeplessness, depression etc. -- and
plenty of people who call themselves Marijuana
Addicts. Not outsiders labeling "others" as deviant.
But potheads who saw their lives and dreams go up in
smoke. Herb was their best friend, and then it turned
on them. Instead of a pleasant buzz, they got
paranoid. Instead of "high", they just got "low."
I know it ain't crack, but "bongaholics" have their
own struggles. Please don't diminish them by
ideologically refusing to acknowledge that
high-powered strains of the Wisdom Weed can hook some
kinds of brains. It does hurt some people.From:slowone@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] smoking cigs/Pot and addiction
I spontaneously stopped cannabis use for two years after a low-dose
ibogaine session (maybe 5 mg/kg) on top of reduced food for twoweeks and fasting for 24 hours.
During the first year I encountered and struggled with my inner
trauma, overwhelmed by it. Then ayahuasca showed me that I can
build a new life in the present without first dealing with the
trauma ("when you have solved it, you will let it go - why not let
it go now, let God handle it"). A year later I tentatively tried
marijuana again and once again felt like an ok person deep down
inside (in spite of bad reaction to the burnt material). Now I see
how it can allow me to tolerate things that maybe should be
addressed, as well as things that maybe can't. Life goes by while
you are stoned. What are you missing? I would suggest that anyone
who has gotten stoned most days in a week for the last year try totake two weeks off, and watch your feelings without judging
negatively if you fail. As with anything else that is good but
difficult, find your edge and learn what is there.God bless us all.From:CrookedEye420@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] smoking cigs/Pot and addiction I quit for a year and a half on probation and I was edgy for the first week or so, but I always feel better after smoking. Wasn't too bad without but I tried it and I like being stoned beFrom:rachelradha@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Poppy tea vs. Methadone ?
Dear Kirsty,
I'm curious about your reasoning for the switch. Tea
seems to me much easier to detox from than methadone,
which is very long-lasting in the system.
After two and a half weeks of basically not feeling
better, Jeff really is wishing he had decided to go
Julie's route and switched from methadone to another
opiate *before* the Eboga detox.
We stopped by his clinic today so he could "pee in a
bottle" and check about aftercare. They have some
acupuncture, which he hopes to take advantage of
before going back to work. They thought he wanted to
go back on methadone, but when his awesome,
sympathetic counselor heard he *didn't*, and I related
my spiritual experiences from just being in the room
during the treatment, she really wanted to check out
the Dossier.
He's looking at another booster for his withdrawals,
but because the 6 mg./kg Ibogaine HCL he took last
week didn't affect him hardly at all we are wondering
if the fact that he had restarted Zoloft might have
blocked it or something like that.
Happy American Thanksgiving everyone. We have a lot
to be grateful for around here.
Much love,Rachel (and Jeff)From:captkirk@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Poppy tea vs. Methadone ?
Hi Rachel,
Thank you very much for your point of view, it is much appreciated. Several
reasons for switching:- cost, although not huge still big enough to matter:-
and a few months ago I had a bit of a meltdown and have been using more
seed, so I have decided to put it in the hands of the clinic and when I want
to decrease, it's not entirely up to me to stick with it!!! Besides, I have
detoxed off both methadone and seed, there's not much difference, and I
think that is mainly because of pesticides etc in the seed, would be an
interesting test to be drinking only organic seed, but availability and cost
would probably make this difficult!!
I have no problems with benzos so any discomfort after Ibo can be eased with
them.
I'm really looking forward to making the change from teenager to adult! I
missed that transition when I began my drug taking!
Thanks again Rachel, and all the best with you and Jeff.
Regards
KirstyFrom:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine],to sara from ron
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 25 november 2004 4:59
Aan: ibogaine@...
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine],to sara from ron
sara:
how i envy those you help. unfortunately, according to all i've read and
have been told by those smarter than i, ibo won't work on my benzo thing.
if you hear otherwise, please tell me and i wll be on the next plane. your
english is fine for an angel. love, ron
Ron,
The info. Is about Ibogaine HCL, I do the treatment for Benzo and methadone
with Iboga which a
Is different kind of treatment then you can read on the Net.There is no MG/KG dosage. But an observation treatment,
Day by day I follow you physically and mentally. Until I think
You are good, that takes at the most times,2 weeks.SaraFrom:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Poppy tea vs. Methadone ?
Please please do this... All Ibo takers should be of meth for 72 hours prior to Ibo. Switch to short acting opiates. Morphine, hydro or oxy , all work well. Dilaudid works well. You do not want any Meth on board when Noribo is around. Remember, the 1/2 life of meth is 24 hours. So 1/2 of todays dose is still there tomorro and 1/4 of 1st days dose is there on day 3.
Will Meth and nor compete for Mu and kappa sites? who knows.From:myeboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
I have to say though I am not so sure about MDMA's effectiveness. I returned to eboga shortly after and have had very profound healing of specific abuse issues etc.via eboga. I probably do not have enough experience to pass serious judgement on MDMA but I do think all past trauma requires a deep reconnection which MDMA by its very nature (imo) excludes i.e. you dont feel the disgust of abuse on MDMA as it is very much a heart opening experience. Whereas on eboga I have felt deep disgust at what has happened to me and deep anger. Also deep pain. All very healing and liberating. With MDMA I guess it can have therapeutic benefit as it allows one to look without fear but that is not enough for a full cure imo.
Anyway, write me off list. Over the next 24 hours though I am pretty busy working with a friend.
Nice to connect with you and I enjoyed your description of death. Its nice to be able to look beyond the physical death to the continuation of the soul.
Lee
Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@...> wrote:
Dear Lee,
I totally agree with you! I believe MDMA(the purer,
the better) can impart to the user the ability to not
only vocalize, but also to deal with trauma. Isn't
MAPS pushing to legalize MDMA for PTSD psychotherapy?
All I know, is that I have been somewhat afraid of
death my whole life, due to my mom dying when I was
young. This weekend, while on MDMA, I had the most
profound vision- I was immersed in a shallow pool of
mountain water, looking up at a ring of tall pine
trees, haloed by the Northern Lights. I can't explain
how, but I knew I was dead, lying there in the water.I felt at peace with the notion of my death for the
first time in my life. And a thought occurred to me:
Death is like a cool mountain stream that gently
passes over you..Needless to say, it blew my mind.
I have a feeling that what I ingested was NOT just
MDMA, but might have been boosted with a synthetic
psychedelic like MDA, or any of the 2-C family. My
boyfriend thinks it was MDME rather than MDMA, but I
have no clue. It was like experiencing the best of
the psychedelic experience-without the gut-rot,
paranoia, and occassional 'creepiness'- with the calm
serenity of XTC. Brilliant!
I had many other visions, but I don't want to bore
everyone here. I would love to hear some of your
experiences.. Wanna chat offlist?JulieFrom:captkirk@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Poppy tea vs. Methadone ? Dear Kirsty
Hi Julie,
See my other message for our seed recipe!!
We bought the seed originally from the supermarket, but then we got cheeky
and pretended to be a cleaning and catering outfit and bought straight from
the bakers supplier. Supermarket costs $7 per kilo whereas we were getting
it for $4 a kilo from the supplier and buying $25 kilo at a time. Now it is
$6 a kilo.
Wow, they charge for methadone??? It's free here!!
And yes, the withdrawal was as bad, and lasted 3 weeks also from the seed.
I'm looking at getting a homeopathic remedy for insecticide/pesticide
poisoning as this seems to be a big part of the suffering during detox.
As for benzos, well call me weird but I've always loved the hangovers for a
couple of days after!! It seems to take me to a state I used to be when I
was straight.....wierd I know. And weirder still I've never become addicted
to them. They've just been a once in a while treat or a tool to use whendetoxing. I guess ciggs and opiates are enough to contend with!
KirstyFrom:UUSEAN@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] I'm alive
Hi Fake and list,
I have learned a couple of things from hanging on this list, and with meeting some ibo people f2f. One is that the ibogaine community are among the kindest and accepting people I have met in a very long time. One of the best things about doing ibogaine is the people in the ibogaine community.. Meeting Howard and his wonderful wife, Patrick, the human being form planet earth in New Orleans, the New York folk, John Freed, and the wider ibo world has changed my life.
Getting on this list changed my life as well. I was at my lowest when I found this list, and sometimes I think I would have been locked up somewhere if I had not.
Successes like are common, like Fake and Randy, and the many I have met and emailed with and chatted on the phone with for whom ibo unsprung from years of hellish dope addiction. These folk have a real choice in their lives which was not there before.. Ibogaine really does work and work well for many people. In New Orleans I heard promising stats about how well.
For me, ibogaine has been a mixed bag. I am not free addiction, although ibogaine has certainly reduced the some of the compulsiveness around my use. I really think that I am one though, who cannot turn to ibogaine for complete relief from craving. Craving and thoughts return real fast for me. As has been said over and over this ain't no miracle pill, and nothing works equally well for everyone. That's just life.
So I continue in my addiction although still greatly freed and open-minded toward change. I have definitely reduced my harm, so ibogaine in the context of harm reduction makes great sense too. I have, though tended to withdraw somewhat form the aftercare community here in the NYC area as I still am using, and working it though more harm reduction and love and caring than with complete abstinence which still is not in my reach.
For instance, I am 4 days clean now, but will most likely use this weekend. I am reaching out though and not just giving up and isolating like I did in the past. I do not feel hopeless.
I hope those celebrating Thanksgiving had a good one, and it still warms my heart to see the real successes on this list. As Patrick told me, though, I have a record too of how far I have come, it's just that I have a long way to go yet.
Fake you rock, list y0u rock, and Patrick you are one cool mofo for keeping this list going.
Peace,SeanFrom: rachelradha@... Subject: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine dosage etc Date: November 20, 2004 2:53:32 PM EST To: ibogaine@... Reply-To: ibogaine@...
Hi List,
I'm hoping Jeff will post his own feelings about the
process soon as he's felt up and down about expecting
to feel "better" than he does right now. We got him
some wheatgrass juice this afternoon and are trying
for a massage tomorrow.
Anyone who is thinking about or pursuing treatment --
please try to listen to and HEAR Howard and everyone
who is saying the initial "detox" is only part of your
solution. Now comes recovery: feeling everything
that's been anaesthetized over the years, lots of
fatigue, depression, and other after-effects that are
perhaps to be expected after a run like he had and
given his age. BUT which he de-emphasized in his
enthusiasm for finding a miraculous way to get
un-handcuffed.
Several recent treatees have reported being up and
around within 2 weeks; that has not been his
experience although he is not "pushing" himself
particularly hard given the levels of exhaustion.
In terms of the experimental process, which must vary
according to how one responds to the medicine, I'll
report Jeff's dosing over the last two weeks, which
was "stepped" over time based on an estimated body
weight of 100 kilos. (He weighed 227 or 229 lbs. in
street clothes).
FYI, He had been on 50 mg methadone for the previous 3
years, and on 80 mg methadone for about five or six
years before that. Previous to stabilizing on MMT he
had a heroin & cocaine habit that ranged in intensityover a fifteen or so year period. I think he smoked
heroin for the first time when he was 18 and finally
detoxed at age 45. Last methadone, Thursday, November
4th, at 1:00 p.m.
Dose 1, 3 mg, c. 8 p.m., Friday, 11/5
Dose 2, 2 mg, c. 12 midnight., Saturday, 11/6
Dose 3, 2 mg, c. 9:00 a.m., Saturday
Dose 4, 2 mg, c. 4:44 p.m., Saturday
Dose 5, 2 mg, c. 7:15 p.m., Saturday
At this stage he had had 11 mg and was starting to get
a bit anxious about the process. The provider-angels
weren't sure he had pushed out all the methadone at
that point, but decided to go ahead with "the flood."
Doses 6, 7, 8, & 9 for a total of 13.3 mg were given
over an hour between 10:50 p.m. and 11:44 p.m.
Saturday
*I think he must have taken an anti-nausea med around10 p.m., and kept the doses down until 1:34 a.m. when
he vomited some and then "took off," including
intoning this whole Gyoto monk-like thing after the
vibes of his puking. I think these were broken up as
something like 2, 3.3, 4 & 4 mg each.
We meant to give him his follow-up dose earlier in the
day on Monday but everyone was sleeping and he wasn't
hurting, so eventually he got
Dose 10, 2 mg, at 4:10 p.m, Monday, 11/8
*with a valium (he was not psyched about reentering
the fuzzy-sand-hard feeling of being with the Eboga)
after he experienced residual withdrawals.
Dose 11, 2.9 mg, at 7:10 p.m., Monday, 11/8
Dose 12/Booster 1, 3 mg, at 1:13 p.m., Wednesday,
11/10
TOTAL > 32.2 mg in a little less than five day period.
About four or five days later, he still felt
physically uncomfortable, so we obtained two more
booster doses which were supposed to be 3 mg. each.
He put off taking these for a few more days as he was
averse to renentering an intense entheogenic "place
Dose 13/Booster 2, 3 mg (?), at 5:45 a.m., Fri, 11/19
Dose 14/Booster 3, 3 mg (?), at 6:50 a.m., Fri, 11/19
He's a bit unclear about this (or questioning it)
because by the time he finally did take the boosters
-- yesterday, Friday, two weeks after the whole course
of treatment began -- he had nothing near the reaction
or sensations he did with the initial dosing. I mean
he was sitting up, talking to me, cuddling me, having
conversations, etc. -- not quiet or internal at all.
So he's wondering why it did not affect him as much at
all.
His stomach was empty as it was morning. I believe he
took Zoloft for three days prior to the last boosters- 25 mg. Tues, 50 mg. Wed, and 50 mg Thurs. morning
around 10 a.m., so 19 hours prior to his boost.
He's pretty down again, like a "setback" from feeling
the withdrawals he did Thursday night -- runny nose,
watery eyes, yawning -- and after feeling somewhat
better Wednesday with the sunny warm day. Cold gray
November rain ain't helping the mood.Lots of love, RachelFrom:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] abstain from methadone for 72 hours Hi Rachel,
Full moon, no wonder I have been up again at 4 and 5:00 am the last few days. I thought I was past that faze of the ibogaine thing. Glad to hear that you guys are still hanging in there.
Wasn't it mentioned before that the antidepressant needed to be stopped 10 days before dosing. Maybe that's why he's not feeling it. As far as the intervals, I am no expert, but I remember Marc telling me when he did one of his boosters 10 days after his return from mexico, and I asked him did he have any visions, he told me he looked out of his window and saw the old city of Jerusaleum! The sneezes lasted me a good two months. I had to mentally reassociate the sneeze to iboga, and not to withdrawl. Again, for me pharmaceuticals and certain substances made me feel worse. I think everyone is different, at this point there is no manual, and I had to take notice and personal responsibility for how my days progressed.
I had two, not too nice weeks afterwards, followed by 2 additional kick ass fatigue like I couldn't believe weeks. But when I noticed even slight progress on a daily basis, I was ok. Some days the progress would regress and then pick up again.
Two weeks prior to my session I went back on heroin and discontinued all methedone. The night before my session, I felt like I literally felt the methedone drop from my brain. I don't know anyother way to describe it. I was given advice that this course of action may be best. At the time I laughed and replied that physically, emotionally, legally, professionally,spiritually and most of all financially I thought I would be better off staying on the methedone. Then I somehow decided to do this and it was no picnic. You see the convenience of having a bottle by your bedside in the am to drink and stay well vs running on that mission.In hindsight I believe it was the best advice I could have been given. No matter what I felt went well or not in my session or recovery period, I have to say I am a million times better for.I think at this point and time it helps to notice what personal cause and effect is being experienced and pass on the info for others so they can consider and apply it to their situation, or not. All we have is each other in this regard.
Glad you were able to get a few cool grooves from this holiday.MarteeFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Drugstore Cowboy
Kirsty,
I just watched Drugstore Cowboy a couple of days ago,
and was again struck by the line you mentioned...you
know, the Beats made some pretty crazy, yet uncannily
accurate predictions...wasn't it Ginsberg who proposed
the cure for opiate addiction would come in the form
of a powerful, hallucinogenic type drug....?
Wonder if Burroughs ever heard about Ibogaine....??JulieFrom:Jeffgd1@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] (OT) Re: [Ibogaine] deep breath In a message dated 11/26/04 11:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptpeet@... writes:
BTW, how is Jeff doing? I have been and still am sending him strong
thoughts and vibes, knowing how hard his current situation can be and
feeling for him all the way. He is to be commended and honored for taking
this step and deserves all the kudos he can take for having done this. That
goes for you as well Rachel, in that anyone who stands by their loved one
through thick and thin, despite what we're told we're to feel about druggies
and addicts by the mainstream prohibitionist types, is honorable and
beautiful and has my respect.
Preston and all the list
Jeff here it is the morning after thanksgiving and my meal for the holiday was just under 6 grams of Ibogaine. this was the third time i have done it the first being the stepping up to the major flood dose and totaled around 33 mg/kg i had avery wild sometimes nonsensical ride it was great though it is not a good feeling i was never in any kind of withdrawals none to me this is simply mind boggling the power of this plant is ancient and is truly a gift of the oldest peoples and gods on the planet to me it felt like it was the first plant the father plant.After the first session I did not seem to bounce back very much I was in a lot of discomfort and felt a constant level of exhaustion and withdrawals. So we decided to do another mg 6 mg booster dose and it had virtually no effect I felt a mild body buzz but never heard the BUZZ that seems a common experience and never felt out of it or much else.
I was getting out everyday though even sitting in a restaurant was too much for me and finally at about 2 weeks 2 days i woke up feeling way better. it was a small step but finally gave me something to grab onto. then yesterday i was feeling almost good the love i felt for Rachel was overwhelming (and still is here) she has been a saint. being a person who has never done any powders of any kind she really has no frame of referee for it ans is still able to empathize and find it in her heart to care for me even when I was really negative a week or so after the first session.
So no I am 3 weeks and a day free of methadone but I still think there is some left in me somewhere I feel it's presences an invading force in my calfs and I guess I will just have to deal I know the Ibo scrubbed me almost clean.
i am curious get the results of the piss test i left at my FORMER clinic who would have started me right back with 20 mgs of methadone the day we were there i simply know that this is it if i were to seek relief with methadone it would be a life sentence at 45 years old i know that to go through this again not a realistic possibility
so i am here getting better and thanksgiving this year is one i will always remember as me gratefulest day yet. we all have so much to be thankful for being opiate free for the first time in over ten years is a miraclepraise eboga one our greatest giftsLove allJeffFrom:rachelradha@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] I'm alive
Lee,
Thanks for the clarification. This is Day 22 of the
Eboga eating process, so maybe that explains thediffering intensity.
Martee,
Could be the Zoloft getting in the way. I think the
word was one or two days off of it before the Iboga
was enough to clear.
For now he's gonna stick to fish oil, 5-HTP, and GABA
if we can find it.
Dancing tonight I am sure will help! He's started
taking the stairs instead of the elevator, and we'll
check in with you when we get back next week.
Sean,
People love you, you have much love to spread. I like
the "just for today" idea. I can do something today
for 12 hours (or one hour) that if I had to imaginedoing for the rest of my life, I couldn't handle it.
But for today I can. Just for today.
Everyone,
Thanks for all the love and support. We're hitting
the road for at least a few days - String Cheese, my
mom, and our guru.
I'm no saint -- used that "brain cells" line on him a
few times in the last weeks myself! -- but yes I've
made some sacrifices for Jeff's recovery that are
daunting - completely missed all my deadlines this
fall - no chapters finished, no articles sent out, and
no jobs or fellowships applied for. Any of you
academics out there know what a horridly inconvenient
time this was to put all that work on the back burner.
But December is a new month. And I feel profoundly
touched by the spirit of it all, which is energizing
in and of itself.
Thank Goddess for the sunshine today.
Blessings on all our hearts, minds, bodies, and souls,
love, RachelFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah Date: November 26, 2004 4:37:28 PM EST
Hannah,
you are sooooooo lucky...I'd love to get my hands on
some nice, clean powdered X...here, it's all tabs.
Can we say cut, cut, cut, cut,..ad infinitum.
Whenever I party on Church St.(the local boyztown), I
notice I come across powder once and a while. God,
gay guys know how to party !!
I find what you say about antidepressants+E very
interesting. I was wondering if the SSRI I was
taking(quit 3 days ago) attributed to this experience
by prolonging the serotonin. But, alas, I'm no doc,
just a pathetic drug enthusiast who thinks she has the
answers to everything- and then realizes how wrong she
is!!
I agree with you about "The Crash"- it's the only
reason I wouldn't call XTC 'the perfect drug'. I
think it's related to the methamphetamine part of the
high, not the lovey, serotonin part. But alas, please
refer to the last sentence of the previous
paragraph...love Julie :)From:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ?
Tolerance to MDMA occurs very rapidly. The need to take more to achieve the same effect.
Taking X daily produces a mild speed effect without any of the pleasant tactile stuff the occasional X user may feel.
Chronic use of X may cause permanent depression by burning out the post synaptic seretonin receptor and/or the serotonin transporter.
I have seen several people who took X every day and they are fried for life. Years after they stopped, they appear to have no emotions. They look like early Parkinson patients.
like most drugs and like the golden rule of life... Moderation. A little can be a pleasant learning experience. A lot can take you to hell and in this case, leave you there.
PET scans of chronic X users (more then 300 dosages) show permanent brain damage similar to methamphetamine users.From:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_Mystical Experience with MDMA + ? Hannah I actually found a leaflet once at a rave that referred to people taking Prozac recreationally as a kind of weak MDMA (I'll refer to it as X from now on). Weird. I've always found that ADs suppress the effects of X and I've been on a few. Its a bummer.
I love going to raves but since I've been into H (the past 5yrs) (and I'm 23) I hardly go out at all. Sean said something about isolation, well I live as a complete hermit at the moment and the more I don't see people, the more I don't want to see them. Luckily I live with my boyf and we're putting my partner in crime up at the moment so I have to see them!
Tomorrow will be Day 1 on Subutex and off H and crack so wish me luck! I want to get going out again but I do find the come-downs hard without gear. I'm trying to get hold of some Valium just so I have something to just help me chill out. I don't like raves without X though cuz I don't like the music without! On X I love Techno. I'm lucky cuz some of my friends are travellers and know lots of squatters down London and they always know where the best free parties are :-) I live in a little town where the clubs are all crap 'towny' straight places with cheesy music.
The X powder is lovely cuz it isn't speedy, just warm loveliness but it isn't always great for partying cuz you just wanna sit down. Then we mix it with speed (!). When I first discovered X when I was 17 I thought it was the greatest thing in the world-I just couldn't stop smiling. But the pills just don't do the same anymore-I don't know if the pills are crap now or if you just get a tolerance real quick. Then again, even when I'm fucked I'll still claim I'm straight and need more-I'm just never satisfied.
I just wish I'd never tried H and I'd be in a VERY different position now.
Last night I did this mornings hit thinking I'd just score as soon as I woke up today. Instead I slept all day so woke up really sick. I call my dealer and nothing for a couple of hours so total panic. Luckily a friend came over and sorted me out. But my veins are non-existent so then it takes hours to get myself. I thought I'd got it first time but hit my artery so my right hand swelled up and I was in agony. Luckily a couple of friends were around to help but they tried for 2hrs and couldn't get me-I felt like a pin cushion, in my hands, arms, neck, fingers, feet :-( I had to muscle-bang it in the end. And since I've been doing rock and gear the past week I hadn't showered or anything so was embarrassingly grubby. My veins just wouldn't give up any blood! None of the women in my family can give blood cuz they can't get blood out of us so I really chose the wrong profession! Anyway so I'm sat there just thinking what have I done to myself? Nowadays scoring is the easy bit-then I sit for hours covered in blood crying, I've got an abscess on my hand and I'm covered in lumps. I remember sitting in this guys bedsit when I was 18 and totally against H. My boyf at the time was doing it and the bedsit was so dirty-dog shit and old pins everywhere. It stank so bad you had to hold your breath and breathe through your mouth. I remember sitting there and thinking what am I doing here? Now I am that guy. I can't believe what I've done to myself and what I consider normal now.
Anyway, it was like waking up in a nightmare. I've got to sort myself out. I just can't believe I keep doing this to myself. Why do we keep doing this? I've hit rockbottom I really have. And the last couple of yrs I had improved, I'd cut down and started socialising but the past couple of months I've been out of control. I've been going in my fingers and when I had to go to A&E for my abscess the Doc told me I could easily lose my hands if I kept doing this. I can't believe I know that and keep doing it! Its like that definition of insanity, I am insane.
But I'm gonna try (again) to be clean. After I've just had one more hit....
Love to everyone, you're my inspiration.
Hannah
PS: Sorry Julie I've gone well off-topic! Hopefully I'll have far more partying tales in a few weeks and none of this shit. :-)From:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Way, way off topic_ Hannah Hannah,
The shape you're in right now has many many similiarities of where I was 4 months ago. The insanity of intellectually knowing you could be one shot from losing a limb or having a heart attack or checking out and still diving right in without so much as a glance back. The morning after when I would do guilt and shame and regret over the damage I had physically done to my arms and hands as well as having to get up after 2 hours sleep to work a 10 hour day. Also the guilt over all the money spent the night before and the complete waste of time and of a human life! I would then go to work, have more cash and repeat the whole drama. DRIVEN.....by something not of this world. There were also some wedding pix I just got from my brothers wedding last June. I was pretty much at my worse then. First of all I am not even recognizable as the same person in the pix. There was one picture of me sitting at a table in his backyard where I was in a nod. It brought me back to remember that I stayed up all night shooting speedballs one after the other(as usual) and got only 2 hours (maybe) sleep before going to the airport at 6:00am with my mother. I rationalized I would sleep on the plane. The meet the other side of the family b-b-q was that same day at dinnertime. I plan on blowing up that picture and putting it maybe on the wall inside my closet. The rest of the pix at the wedding and reception (which were absolutely unique and soulful) reminded me of how every second, minute, hour of that visit was socially,emotionally and physically gruelling for me. Having to wear long sleeves in 95 degree weather. Having to go to my room for a nap when everyone else was at the pool. Just in general feeling out of place and uncomfortable as a member of the human race.As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, Someone was living this life for the last 20+ years but it doesn't even remotely feel like it was me!!!
All I can say to you is Eboga, Eboga, Eboga. My heart goes out to you. I pray the universe intervenes for you as it did for me. You are 23, I can only imagine the possibilities.
I don't know what subtex is, however I know H is the easiest to come off of or low doses of methedone. Do what you feel you need to maintain some sanity today as I totally understand. It's what usually drives people to the programs to begin with. What's keeping you from doing a session?
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