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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:31:08 -0500
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #59: Big Ibo Splash in New Orleans; Budapest, Visalis
Make 92 Cities on the Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 92 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAthensAshevilleAucklandBergenBerlinBooneBoulderBudapestBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiColorado SpringsColumbiaDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEugeneFayettevilleFrankfurtFt. SmithHartfordHachitaHoustonKansas CityKristiansandLethbridgeLexingtonLondonLos AngelesMexico CityMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew PaltzNew YorkNimbinOgdenOuluOsloParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRenoRichmondRoanokeRomeRosarioRostockSan FranciscoSarasotaSavannahSpokaneStavangerStevens PointSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaThunder BayTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloTurkuUpper LakeVancouverViennaVisaliaWarsawWashington, D.C.Wilkes-BarreWilmingtonThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current-------------------------*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****From: garywmeyerhoff@...Hi Dana
sorry I haven't got back to you about MMM stuff in
Australia. Between my AIDS related pnieumonia and a
short stay in maximum security in the local prison.. i
have been a bit offline.. I will get onto this for you
over the weekend.
Meanwhile... would you be able to forward this press
statement to your networks..
Regards
Gary M
Press statement
12th November 2004
Maximising harm in Australia's remote indigenous
communities
Northern Territory residents are determined to
continue their struggle against the increasing rate of
imprisonment of non-violent drug offenders in
Australia's outback.
That's the message from the Darwin based Network
Against Prohibition who will smoke a giant joint at
their 20th community smoke-in for human rights in
Darwin's Raintree Park on Saturday.
NAP spokesperson Gary Meyerhoff said "The fact that we
are holding our 20th smoke-in is testament to the
level of support for positive drug law reform in the
community. The Martin Labor Government is accelerating
attacks on all illicit drug users and we must continue
to struggle against them."
The NT Police recently established a 'Remote Area Drug
Desk' which is 'targeting the supply of cannabis to
aboriginal communities' and further increasing the NT
imprisonment rate.
Mr Meyerhoff said "The Remote Area Drug Desk claim to
be stemming the flow of cannabis into remote
communities when nearly all the people they are
actually busting are small-time growers in the Darwin
rural area. These people only grow cannabis to supply
themselves and close friends."
The Murdoch-owned Northern Territory News is playing a
major role in the police propaganda campaign,
regularly reporting that cannabis seized in the Darwin
rural area is 'believed to have been grown
specifically for remote communities'. The NT police
have no evidence to support these claims.
Mr Meyerhoff said "Why the police are targeting remote
communities anyway we don't knowŠ what we do know is
that they are contributing to the ridiculously
expensive price of pot in those communities ($100 for
a $25 deal) and to the ever increasing rate of
imprisonment of indigenous people. More than 80% of NT
prisoners are indigenous."
The flow of cannabis into Australia's outback
continues unabated and demand is inevitably continuing
to grow.
Meyerhoff said "Drug squad head Les Martin must be a
little bit stoned if he seriously thinks he is having
a positive impact on the Territory community."
Senior-Sergeant Martin has told the media "We have had
some very successful recent results which will
severely affect the flow of drugs to remote
communitiesŠ those operations have often involved
members from several different sections and the
teamwork, support and cooperation has been
outstanding."
Mr Meyerhoff said "If the aim of the police is todisempower indigenous people and keep their
communities in poverty, they are achieving their aim.
If their aim is really to 'stem the flow of cannabis
into remote communities', then the new drug desk is a
disaster, not the success the NT police claim it to
be."
It seems Superintendent Kris Evans has also been
smoking some of the seized wacky backy. Yesterday, she
told local media "By minimising the supply, a
reduction in demand follows and the result is harm
reduction can be more adequately addressed."
Coupled with the ongoing seizure of cars owned by
indigenous people, the so called 'grog runners', this
anti-cannabis campaign is having devastating effects.
The NT Government and their police are maximising harm
in indigenous communities.
The 20th Community Smoke-in
The Network Against Prohibition, formed in March 2002,
has held regular smoke-ins since the Labor Government
moved to implement the draconian 'drug house' laws. At
the first smoke-in held on the 20th of April 2002,
police attacked the rally, arresting five people for
cannabis, loitering and other charges.*
The police attacked another NAP smoke-in on October
12, 2002, sparking a mini riot and the arrest of a
number of NAP members. Four members of NAP face a
trial in the NT Supreme Court next May as a
consequence of those arrests.
These police attacks on NAP smoke-ins are only one
aspect of the ongoing intimidation and harassment that
supporters of drug law reform have faced from the NT
establishment. This year, Darwin City Council refused
to issue permits for the smoke-ins despite doing so
for nearly two years. The Council also recently
prosecuted Gary Meyerhoff for bill-pasting, resulting
in a conviction and $710 costs. This was the first
time the Darwin City Council had prosecuted anyone for
this 'offence'.
On Monday the 1st of November, within hours of
releasing a press statement reporting that the NT
Government's drug laws were a 'laughable failure',
three members of NAP were arrested by NT Police in the
middle of the night and incarcerated 'by mistake' in
the maximum security section at Berrimah prison.
They were subsequently released on Wednesday the 3rd
after an overwhelming display of support and protests
from the Darwin community.
For more information call the Network's Gary Meyerhoff
on 0415 16 2525 (from os +61 415 16 2525), police
media spokesperson Peter Cain on (08) 8922 3535 (from
os +61 8 8922 3535 or see http://www.napnt.org.
*All of the charges arising from the 1st community
smoke-in were later dropped and the NT Ombudsman found
that the arrest of NAP spokesperson Gary Meyerhoff was
'unlawful'.
renee boje <rboje@...> wrote:
From: "renee boje"
To: freerenee@...
Subject: RB: Woman facing death penalty for pot: How to help...
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:26:14 +0000
This is a call for action to help save a young Australian woman's life who
is currently facing the death penalty in Bali for allegedly being caught
with marijuana in a Balinese airport:
A 27 year old Australian woman named Schapelle Leigh Corby, is facing the
death penalty in Bali for being caught with 4 kilos of marijuana in her
luggage at an airport in Bali. Ms Corby claims the marijuana was not hers
and many of her supporters believe the marijuana may have been planted in
her bag because marijuana tends to be smuggled out of Bali, rather than into
Bali & because the prices for cannabis in Bali are much lower than the
prices for cannabis in Australia. Balinese authorities are asking for the
death sentence for Ms Corby, who's trial could begin in just a couple of
months. Balinese authorities wish to sentence Ms Corby to death by a firing
squad.
*Please Take a moment to help save this poor woman's life. Here is what you
can do:
Write to the Australian Prime Minister and email the Australian Foreign
Minister of Affairs and ask them to take action to place pressure on the
Balinese Government to release Schapelle Leigh Corby and to encourage
Australians & the rest of the world to publicly boycott traveling to Baliuntil they set this woman free.
I urge you to also contact the Indonesian Consulate in Australia and let
them know you plan to boycott traveling to Bali unless they set Schapelle
Leigh Corby free. (I have not had luck finding a direct contact to the
Indonesian Consulate within Indonesia. If anyone out there happens to know,
please email it to me at: rboje@... and I will circulate this as
well.)
Write to:
The Australian Prime Minister:
John Howard
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Australia
Email:
The Australian foreign affairs Minister:
Alexander Downer
A.Downer.MP@...
Write to:
Consulate General - Republic of Indonesia
72 Queens Road
Melbourne
3004
Victoria, Australia
Email the Indonesian Consulate in Australia:
KJRI@...
Below are some links to news articles and websites concerning Ms Corby's
case:
http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/news-indonesia06.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=986731&Main=986348
http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11092993%255E5422,00.html
Thank you for taking the time to take action to help set Ms Corby free and
save her life.
In unity & love,
Renee Boje
http://www.reneeboje.com
rboje@...
--------------------From: sarosip@...Hello,
I was informed that you have no information on the 2004 marijuana march in Budapest. I am one of the organizers, so if you have any questions, please ask me.
Best wishes,
Peter Sarosi
Drug Policy Project Coordinator
HUNGARIAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
H-1114 Budapest, Eszék utca 8/B. fszt. 2.
tel/ fax: (36) 1 279-22-36, (36) 1 279-0755Mail: sarosip@... www.tasz.hu
----------------------------From: farid@...Dear Friends,
Well, we have several things actually in run with ENCOD, and especially because of the new EU strategy on drugs that will be voted by European Commission on december 17th (please follow up and give support to ENCOD, visit our website www.encod.org).
Then, we're still trying to raise support all around Europe and abroad to ensure that the next Global cannabis March will be organised in major cities, all capitals and even small villages, everywhere where people are fed up by those antiscientific and moralist laws that make prohibition a worldwide "war on drug", a worldwide US "war on drugs" under UN flag.
So please, contact Dana Beal <dana@...> to inform him and get listed as one city that will rally peoples on May 7th.
Let's make the Global Cannabis March in more that 300 cities. What ? 400 cities, you said ? OK, let's bet together if your sure to join the list of rallies, that make one place less to find, and please now help to find a twin city next to yours...
Best Regards,
FARId - ENCOD
00 33 6 148 156 79
www.encod.org
www.vienna2003.org------------------From: homegrown715@...To whom it may concern (webmaster, Dana, etc),
This is Michael Crockett in Stevens Point, WI. For the festivities this year, I feel that Pfiffner Park is an ideal location. 85 acres with bandshell, on-site restrooms, etc. getting the word out has been, at best, slightly difficult. Procuring parade permits are currently under consideration by the portage county court system. ANYTHING you can do to help me get the word out would be greatly appreciated (i.e.: send me posters, post my home # and email address to your website/any other related sites you feel beneficial to the cause.) My home address is: 5955 Birch Dr. #13 Plover, Wi 54467. my home telephone # is 715-345-2313. Again, please assist me in spreading the word, for my resources are limited. The local printing shops refuse to offer me service because they feel that it is "too controversial" for them and spreading by word-of-mouth on the local college campus has been deemed "soliciting" and I was escorted twice off of the premises. The high school, P.J. Jacobs, called the police and claimed I was promoting drug usage among minors and told me that if I returned they would charge me criminally ( or so they claim). I thank you for you consideration into my requests and look forward to a good turnout this year in stevens point. Hopefully, the word may spread through events such as these until we are no longer persecuted for our beliefs.-peace,
Michael J. Crockett--------------------------From:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Judge Questions Long Sentence in Drug Case
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/17/national/17sentencing.html?oref=login&th
Judge Questions Long Sentence in Drug Case
By NICK MADIGAN
Published: November 17, 2004
ALT LAKE CITY, Nov. 16 - In a case that has spurred intense soul-searching in legal circles, a 25-year-old convicted drug dealer, who was arrested two years ago for selling small bags of marijuana to a police informant, was sentenced on Tuesday to 55 years in prison.
The judge who sentenced him, Paul G. Cassell of the United States District Court here, said that he pronounced the sentence "reluctantly" but that his hands were tied by a mandatory-minimum law that required the imposition of 55 years on Weldon H. Angelos because he had a gun during at least two of the drug transactions.
"I have no choice," Judge Cassell said to Mr. Angelos, who seemed frozen in place as the extent of the sentence became apparent.
The judge then urged Mr. Angelos's lawyer, Jerome H. Mooney, not only to appeal his decision but to ask President Bush for clemency once all appeals were exhausted. He also urged Congress to set aside the law that made the sentence mandatory.
Judge Cassell said that sentencing Mr. Angelos to prison until he is 70 years old was "unjust, cruel and even irrational," but that the law that forced him to do so had not proved to be unconstitutional and thus had to stand. The sentence was all the more ironic, he said, because only two hours earlier he had been legally able to impose a sentence of 22 years on a man convicted of aggravated second-degree murder for beating an elderly woman to death with a log. That crime, he argued, was far more serious.
Mr. Angelos's wife, Zandrah, who sat in court with the couple's two boys, aged 5 and 7, began crying. "He might as well have killed someone," she said bitterly, wiping her eyes, referring to her husband. "He should have done worse than he did if he was going to get 55 years."
snip-
Peace and love,
Preston--------From: tents444@...
Natasha Burnett <njeffsun@...> wrote:
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:04:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Natasha Burnett
Subject: Re: Visalia, California MMM 2005
To: eco man
yes we are on
eco man <tents444@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff.
I assume you mean that Visalia, California is on for MMM 2005. Is this listing OK:
Visalia, California, USA. Jeff Nunes Jr.. Executive Director. Medicinal Marijuana Awareness and Defense. MMAD for short. We our Helping patients, doctors, Lawyers, and Law Enforcement get some education. You can call 559-627-6623 (MMAD) or email njeffsun@...
Thanks,
eco man
*************************BUSHWHACKED!!****************************Dear Abby,
I am a crack dealer in Beaumont, Texas who has recently been diagnosed as
a carrier of HIV virus. My parents live in Fort Worth and one of my
sisters, who lives in Pflugerville, is married to a transvestite. My
father and mother have recently been arrested for selling heroin. They are
financially dependent on my other two sisters, who are prostitutes in
Dallas.
I have two brothers; one is currently serving a non-parole life sentence
at Huntsville for the murder of a teenage boy in 1994. My other brother is
currently in jail awaiting charges of sexual misconduct with his three
children.
I have recently become engaged to a former prostitute who lives in
Longview. She is a part time "working girl". All things considered, my
problem is this. I love my fiance and look forward to bringing her into
the family. I certainly want to be totally open and honest with her.
Should I tell her about my cousin who still supports Bush?
Signed,Worried About My Reputation-----------Worst Voter Error Is Apathy toward Irregularitieshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111304Y.shtml
Greg Palast | Kerry Won Ohiohttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111404Z.shtml
Zogby.com | 'I Smell a Rat'http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111604Z.shtml
Clarke: Clinton Worried About al - Qaidahttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111904A.shtml
Iraq Assessments: Insurgents Not Giving Uphttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111904V.shtml'Stinking Evidence' of Election Fraud in Florida
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112004X.shtml
Hearings on Ohio Voting Put 2004 Election in Doubthttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112104W.shtml
Lawsuit Challenges Ohio Presidential Resultshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112204Y.shtml
Election Theft in San Diego?http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112104X.shtml
Steven F. Freeman | The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancyhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111404A.shtml
Marjorie Cohn | The Quaint Mr. Gonzaleshttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111304A.shtml
From: writch@...A lot of people have had reason to suspect that I was a paranoid delusional when listening to me describe the hack attacks on my web site since January.
While they are correct in assuming that my paranoid aspects are fully developed, I hope this helps them consider that I might not be delusional.
It is the transcript (w/ audio file) of Bev Harris, from blackboxvoting.org, describing the hacking methods which have been used on her site.
I have seen everything she is seeing, and a little more, actually.
Here's the Article:
Hackers at BlackBoxVoting.org
(Date: 2004-11-14 11:25:32)
Topic: Your Guide to Good End Times!
URL: http://u.ragnarock-n-roll.com/-l-_l_y_N
You can read interesting articles at Ragnarock-n-Roll
http://ragnarock-n-roll.com------------------------
From: god@...PLEASE TAKE ACTION, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. PLEASE FORWARD TO
> EVERYONE.
>
>
> Smoking Gun
> You may have seen the associated press story about the precinct in
> Cuyahoga county that had less than 1,000 voters, and gave Bush
> almost 4,000 extra votes. But that turns out to be only the tip of a
> very ugly iceberg. The evidence discovered by some remarkably
> careful sleuthing would convince any reasonable court to invalidate
> the entire Ohio election. In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts
> in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the
> number of registered voters - at least 93,136 extra votes total. And
> the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of
> Elections website:
>
> Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
> Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
> Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
> Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
> Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
> Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
> Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
> Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
> Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
> Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
> Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
> Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
> Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
> Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
> North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
> Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
> Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
> Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
> Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
> South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
> Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
> University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
> Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
> Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
> Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
> Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
> Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast> Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
> Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast
>
> The Republicans are so BUSTED.
>
> http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top
>
> <http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top>
> is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board,
> providing irrefutable evidence that the vote was off by at least
> 93,000. Kerry lost Ohio by approximately 130,000, so this is not an
> insignificant figure that can be ignored, particularly when there
> are numerous other indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere.
> I think the only possible alternative is to invalidate the entire
> Ohio election, if not the entire national election. I'd say the
> game's up.America, it looks pretty much like you've been had.
> Sincerely,
> Teed Rockwell, Philosophy Dept., Sonoma State University
> up!
>
>
> BUSH HAS NOT YET BEEN CHOSEN BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
> THE ELECTORS MEET AND VOTE ON DEC. 13.
> QUESTIONS NEED TO BE RAISED ABOUT THE RESULTS
> - AND RAISED LOUDLY -
> TO GET AN INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED BEFORE THAT DATE.
> SO FAR, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN NOT PICKING UP THE STORY.
> THEY MOVED VERY SLOWLY AFTER THE 2000 ELECTION.
> OVER TO YOU.> --- End forwarded message ---From: arianna@...THE ARCHITECTS OF DEFEAT
By Arianna Huffington
Twelve days before the election, James Carville stood in a Beverly Hills living room surrounded by two generations of Hollywood stars. After being introduced by Sen. John Kerry's daughter, Alexandra, he told the room - confidently, almost cockily - that the election was in the bag.
"If we can't win this damn election," the advisor to the Kerry campaign said, "with a Democratic Party more unified than ever before, with us having raised as much money as the Republicans, with 55% of the country believing we're heading in the wrong direction, with our candidate having won all three debates, and with our side being more passionate about the outcome than theirs - if we can't win this one, then we can't win shit! And we need to completely rethink the Democratic Party."
Well, as it turns out, that's exactly what should be done. But instead, Carville and his fellow architects of the Democratic defeat have spent the last week defending their campaign strategy, culminating on Monday morning with a breakfast for an elite core of Washington reporters.
At the breakfast, Carville, together with chief campaign strategist Bob Shrum and pollster Stan Greenberg, seemed intent on one thing - salvaging their reputations.
They blamed the public for not responding to John Kerry's message on the economy, and they blamed the news media for distracting voters from this critical message with headlines from that pesky war in Iraq. "News events were driving this," said Shrum. "The economy was not driving the news coverage."
But shouldn't it have been obvious that Iraq and the war on terror were the real story of this campaign? Only these Washington insiders, stuck in an anachronistic 1990s mind-set and re-fighting the '92 election, could think that the economy would be the driving factor in a post-9/11 world with Iraq in flames. That the campaign's leadership failed to recognize that it was no longer "the economy, stupid," was the tragic flaw of the race.
In conversations with Kerry insiders over the last nine months, I've heard a recurring theme: that it was Shrum and the Clintonistas (including Greenberg, Carville and senior advisor Joe Lockhart) who dominated the campaign in the last two months and who were convinced that this election was going to be won on domestic issues, like jobs and healthcare, and not on national security.
As Tom Vallely, the Vietnam War veteran whom Kerry tapped to lead the response to the Swift boat attacks, told me: "I kept telling Shrum that before you walk through the economy door, you're going to have to walk through the terrorism/Iraq door. But, unfortunately, the Clinton team, though technically skillful, could not see reality - they could only see their version of reality. And that was always about pivoting to domestic issues. As for Shrum, he would grab on to anyone's strategy; he had none of his own."
Vallely, together with Kerry's brother, Cam, and David Thorne, the senator's closest friend and former brother-in-law, created the "Truth and Trust Team." This informal group within the campaign pushed at every turn to aggressively take on President Bush's greatest claim: his leadership on the war on terror.
"When Carville and Greenberg tell reporters that the campaign was missing a defining narrative," Thorne told me this week, "they forget that they were the ones insisting we had to keep beating the domestic-issues drum. So we never defended John's character and focused on his leadership with the same singularity of purpose that the Republicans put on George Bush's leadership. A fallout of this was that the campaign had no memorable ads. In a post-election survey, the only three ads remembered by voters were all Republican ads - and that was after we spent over $100 million on advertising."
Cam Kerry agrees. "There is a very strong John Kerry narrative that is about leadership, character and trust. But it was never made central to the campaign," he said. "Yet, at the end of the day, a presidential campaign - and this post-9/11 campaign in particular - is about these underlying attributes rather than about a laundry list of issues."
It was the "Truth and Trust Team" that fought to have Kerry give a major speech clarifying his position on Iraq, which he finally did, to great effect, at New York University on Sept. 20. "That was the turning point," Thorne, who was responsible for the campaign's wildly successful online operation, told me. "John broke through and found his voice again. But even after the speech the campaign kept returning to domestic issues, and in the end I was only able to get just over a million dollars for ads making our case."
Despite a lot of talk about "moral values," exit polls proved that Iraq and the war on terror together were the issues uppermost in people's minds. And therefore as Thorne and Vallely, among others, kept arguing, if the president continued to hold a double-digit advantage on his leadership on the war on terror, he would win. But those in charge of the Kerry campaign ignored this giant, blood-red elephant standing in the middle of the room and allowed themselves to be mesmerized by polling and focus group data that convinced them the economy was the way to go.
"We kept coming back from the road," said James Boyce, a Kerry family friend who traveled across the country with Cam Kerry, "and telling the Washington team that the questions we kept getting were more about safety and Iraq than healthcare. But they just didn't want to hear it. Their minds were made up."
Boyce, along with Cam Kerry, were instrumental in bringing to the campaign four of the more outspoken 9/11 widows, including Kristin Breitweiser, who had provided critical leadership in stopping the Bush administration from undermining the 9/11 Commission. "We told the campaign," Breitweiser told me, "that we would not come out and endorse Kerry unless he spoke out against the war in Iraq. It was quite a battle. In fact, I got into a fight with Mary Beth Cahill on the phone. I actually said to her: 'You're not getting it. This election is about national security.' I told her this in August. She didn't want to hear it."
The campaign's regular foreign policy conference calls were another arena where this battle was fought, with Kerry foreign policy advisor Richard Holbrooke taking the lead against the candidate coming out with a decisive position on Iraq that diverged too far from the president's. Former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart consistently argued against Holbrooke, and Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden expressed his disagreement with this ruffle-no-feathers approach directly to Kerry. But until the Sept. 20 speech in New York, it was Holbrooke who prevailed - in no small part because his position dovetailed with the strategic direction embraced by Shrum and campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill.
Jamie Rubin, the Clinton State Department spokesman, had also argued that Kerry should stick close to the Bush position, and even told the Washington Post that Kerry, too, would probably have invaded Iraq. Kerry was reportedly apoplectic but did not ask for Rubin's resignation, thereby letting the damage linger for two weeks before Rubin told Ron Brownstein of The Los Angeles Times that he was not speaking for the candidate.
Just how misguided the campaign's leadership was can be seen in the battle that took place between Vernon Jordan, the campaign's debate negotiator, and Cahill and Shrum. "They were so opposed," someone close to the negotiations told me, "to Jordan's accepting the first debate being all about foreign policy, in exchange for a third debate, that Jordan and Cahill had a knock down, drag out argument. It was so bad that Jordan had to send her flowers before they could make up." It was a familiar strategic battle with Jordan siding with those who believed that unless Kerry could win on national security, he would not win period.
Behind the scenes, former President Clinton also kept up the drumbeat, telling Kerry in private conversations right to the end that he should focus on the economy rather than Iraq or the war on terror, and that he should come out in favor of all 11 state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage - a move that would have been a political disaster for a candidate who had already been painted as an unprincipled flip-flopper. Sure, Kerry spoke about Iraq here and there until the end of the race (how could he not?), but the vast majority of what came out of the campaign, including Kerry's radio address 10 days before the election, was on domestic issues.
Another good illustration of how the clash played out was the flu vaccine shortage, which ended up being framed not as a national security issue (how can you trust this man to keep you safe against biological warfare when he can't even handle getting you the flu vaccine?), but as a healthcare issue with the Bush campaign turning it into an attack on trial lawyers.
"This election was about security," Gary Hart told me. But when he suggested that Kerry should talk about jobs and energy and other issues in the context of security, Hart said, he was "constantly confronted with focus group data, according to which the people wanted to hear a different message focused on the economy."
The last few days of the campaign, in which national security dominated the headlines - with the 380 tons of missing explosives in Iraq, multiple deaths of U.S. soldiers, insurgents gaining ground and the reappearance of Osama bin Laden - show how Kerry could have pulled away from Bush if, early on, his campaign had built the frame into which all these events would have fit.
How the campaign handled the reappearance of Bin Laden the Friday before the election says it all. "Stan Greenberg was adamant," a senior campaign strategist told me, "that Kerry should not even mention Osama. He insisted that because his polling showed Kerry had already won the election, he should not do anything that would endanger his position. We argued that since Osama dominated the news, it would be hard for us to get any other message through. So a compromise was reached, according to which Kerry issued a bland statesman-like statement about Osama (followed by stumping on the economy), and we dispatched Holbrooke to argue on TV that the reappearance of Bin Laden proved that the president had not made us safer."
As at almost every other turn, the campaign had chosen caution over boldness. Why did these highly paid professionals make such amateurish mistakes? In the end, it was the old obsession with pleasing undecided voters (who, Greenberg argued right up until the election, would break for the challenger) and an addiction to polls and focus groups, which they invariably interpreted through their Clinton-era filters. It appears that you couldn't teach these old Beltway dogs new tricks. It's time for some fresh political puppies.------------Conversation With Faith (A Bush Supporter) on the Ibogaine List---------------From:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] (OT) no faith in The Bush (or Nixon) Administrations
Jim wrote rationally >Chaney is really the one running the country and when he dies from his heart and health problems he will take all the blame.<
I don't think so Jim. While yes, I do agree that Cheney is probably a bit more powerful than Bush in some ways, I don't think Bush is really as stupid as people seem to think he is. That said, I do think Cheney is a bit more connected in ways than is Bush and he probably will take a lot of blame if and when he dies, but I think there are others not named or actually even in government more in control even than Cheney. Sort of a "shadow government" if you will, which is really, really in "control" such as it is, and make Cheney seem just another puppet boy too.
The Bush regime is the most evil and corrupt that America ever had. They make Nixon look like a boy scout.<
I keep hearing this but cannot for the life of me figure out why people keep saying this. Other than for the Patriot Act of course. I mean, Nixon and Kissinger bombed the shit out of SouthEast Asia for a decade justified by lies, misinformation and just plain evil, causing directly and indirectly the deaths of over 3 million native inhabitants, not to mention the 58,000 US servicefolk killed (nor mentioning the victims of Agent Orange who didn't die, and all the injured in so many other ways too). Nixon and Kissinger "secretly" bombed Laos and Cambodia for how long before admitting they were doing so? Read the latest Anthony Summers book about Nixon (The Arrogance of Power-the Secret World of Richard Nixon) for more on Nixon's ties to the mob and more corruption too. These guys were not any less evil or fucked up than the Bush crew so far as I can tell. Remember COINTELPRO please. Distance in time makes it appear that Bush is worse, but I suspect (a personal suspicion for course) that Nixon and Kissinger et al were perhaps inspirational to the Bush crew but no less evil or out right anti-American and flat out bad.
When the plane hit the tower Bush had no idea what to do. The look on his face said it all, kind of a duhhh look.<
Personally? I think he knew exactly what to do and did it- sit tight and let the "new Pearl Harbor" happen. But this is just my own view of course, and I've no "proof" other than for this ikcy nasty feeling inside...and that PNAC report saying we really needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to get the sheeple behind warmongering plots and plans.
You also wrote >Rumsfield was head of the FDA under the Nixon administration, now he is not a doctor, what the hell does he know about drugs? Most people on this forum know more about drugs than him. Ashcroft was a senator who could not get re-elected. In! fact his opponent died and got more votes than Ashcroft.<
To which I reply with the following essay I wrote about Ashcroft a few years ago, which not only contains a number of links embedded within it at the URL supplied, but is followed by a bunch more links to further info about the maniac self-anointer Ashcroft:
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id755/pg1/
john ashcroft: an empty suit with the deepest pockets
by Preston Peet (ptpeet@...) - January 17, 2001
The Anointed one will be cut off, and will have nothing. The people of the ruler will come, will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood . . .
~ ~ Daniel 9:26 (quoted by Ken Friedman)
I've been really sad since I realized most peoples opposition to the nomination of John Ashcroft, former Governor of Missouri, former Missouri Senator, and now President-elect George W. Bush's choice for US Attorney General, is due to his outspoken, repressive, self-described "Christian" values.
Ashcroft's apparent feelings on certain other issues, such as his anti-gay, anti-civil liberties stance, and his pro-War Against Some Drugs view, have prompted many people to voice their concern about his nomination. But something that really bugs me, something that (probably) epitomizes his entire being: John Ashcroft anointed himself with Crisco cooking oil.
Ken Freidman posted an editorial recently to the alt.discuss.politics newsgroup, dissecting Ashcroft's apparent belief that he is "ordained by God to blend politics and religion."
In his book, Lessons From a Father to His Son (Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1998), Ashcroft writes of his anointing himself, before both terms as Missouri Governor. He felt that his successful 1995 Senate campaign was important enough to warrant using a bowl of Crisco. Friedman then pointed out a New York Times article, containing this comment about Ashcroft: "'The act of anointing,' he wrote in his largely autobiographical book, replicated the practice of 'the ancient kings of Israel, David and Saul,' who Ashcroft said 'were anointed as they undertook their administrative duties.'"
Of course, neither David nor Saul anointed themselves, they were anointed by the Prophet Samuel, who did it under direct orders from god. But as Friedman so eloquently noted, "there is something entirely appropriate about Ashcroft anointing himself in Crisco."
Friedman continues: "The Bible prescribes the specific formula of sacred anointing oil in Exodus 30:22-29. Sacred anointing oil is comprised of fine spices blended into olive oil. The spices include myrrh, cinnamon, fragrant cane, and cassia, all in a 'fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer.' (Exodus 30:25) John Ashcroft substituted supermarket cooking oil for sacred anointing oil. This seems appropriate for a senator distinguished for representing corporate interests."
As Ralph Nader said at a campaign stop in St. Louis, Missouri (July 16, 2000), "Ashcroft not only seeks to retain his office with 'pay-back' campaign contributions from special interests, he also opposes any effort to clean up the legal bribery process."
Nader pointed out that Ashcroft got caught taking $50,000 from Schering-Plough, makers of Claritin allergy medication, when he sat on the Senate Judiciary overseeing the patent extension, at a cost to the citizenry "of $7.3 billion in monopoly prices."
Ashcroft voted to protect Health Management Organizations (HMOs) from liability for their insane medical coverage practices, and took $135,000 from insurance and health industries towards his Senate campaign (up to June 1, 2000).
According to Nader, Ashcroft took $26,000 from electric utilities, while voting to allow them to ship their nuclear waste to Yucca Mountain, exposing at least 50 million Americans across 43 states, over the course of 25 years, to "dangerous levels of radiation."
Dan Forbes points out in a Salon article (January 12, 2001), not only was Ashcroft's nephew, Alex Ashcroft, arrested in January 1992 for growing 50 marijuana plants in his basement with a friend, and got off with three years probation, but the Drug Czar that Ashcroft had appointed was fired. The reason? Recreational drug use.
Yet Ashcroft continues to call for stricter drug laws and penalties for use. Ashcroft introduced the recently defeated Methamphetemine Anti-Proliferation Act, that, besides vastly increasing penalties for getting caught with certain drugs, would have allowed the police to engage in warrentless searches and other nefarious activities in the name of the War Against Some Drugs. Many of my writings would have been illegal.
Ashcroft also helped craft legislation that would block federal aid to anyone convicted of a drug crime, and a bill to amend the Federal Disabilities Act to allow disabled kids to be treated the same as uncrippled kids when it comes to drugs. As DRCNet wrote, "just because a kid is crippled doesn't mean we can't get him on drug charges."
Ashcroft accepted $44,500 from beer companies, including $20,000 from the local Missouri Anheuser-Busch, and Ashcroft "lauded the beer industry in a video tribute by the Beer Institute of America." When asked by Mother Jones about his contradictory policy of opposing currently illicit drugs, and shilling for the beer industry, Ashcroft told them, "[beer] is a product that is in demand. And when it's used responsibly it's like other products."
I just can't forget that Ashcroft lost his Senate seat in November 2000 to a deceased candidate, Mel Carnahan, whose widow ran against Ashcroft in his place, and won with no political experience.
That isn't saying much for the slimey John Ashcroft, who wants to tell us what "morals" are and "laws" stand for. He's the perfect choice for our Un-Justice Department, unless people are expecting real justice.
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Peace and love,
Preston Peet
"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness"Richard Davenport-HinesFrom:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] For Faith - The Bush Administration
Something BIG is about to happen
"This is not conspiracy theory. This is not heresay. There is evidence.
There are witnesses. There are investigations underway."
Dear Friends,
When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the
weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.
Her reply was "voter fraud."
The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about.When he asked, she replied:
"Something BIG is about to happen."
What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first. But if
you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence, you'll
scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their sockets,
and you'll try to figure out what to do.
So here it is.
The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November 2nd.
The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the election was
stolen. There is already a congressional investigation underway and a
consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).
Electronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the
Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.
The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about
this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the mainstream
media, or you can read on. Just remember where you heard it first.
I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much
more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally by
the minute.
The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.
Key points
. "Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was the
use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail. These were
manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold. Both of these
companies are big supporters of the Republican Party. Walden O'Dell, the
owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter that he is "committed to
helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to get
elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska. A bill was introduced in
the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and require a paper printout
of each vote so that they could be verified and/or recounted. The bill was
stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
and it was not allowed to come to vote. Shortly after the November 2rd
election, countless stories of problems with the machines began to surface.
Many people tried to vote for Kerry and said that when the final
confirmation screen came up it said they voted for Bush. In one precinct in
Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were there were only 638 registered
voters. Many more stories about the black box voting machines, their
problems, and the investigation into their tampering are circulating.
Blackboxvoting.org <http://blackboxvoting.org> is leading the way in
the investigation to proving the results were tampered with.
. Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states
that had verifiable paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were
virtually the same as the real results. However, in the states where
electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls were mysteriously very
different from the final reported totals. You can view the exit poll data
directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.
. Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast
votes or tally them, some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just
one example. In Baker County, Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters,
69.3% of them regsitered Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote
was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Are we supposed to believe that
5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted for Bush??? This pattern repeats
itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the raw data for every
Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email
. Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there
was widespread voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In
many democratic areas, people waited hours to vote, while Republicans
"challenged" voters' rights to vote, forcing them to fill out a provisional
ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional ballots were not counted on
election day and we may never know how many of them there were, or whatrules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic areas
with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting
precinct had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that
they would go to jail of they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on
and on. You can see the some of the flyers that were sent out and read
about more of the shenanigans at the link at the bottom of this email.
. Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory. This is not
heresay. There is evidence. There are witnesses. There are investigations
underway. Three Congressmen have sent a letter to the General
Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an investigation. Ralph
Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide, and
has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New
Hampshire. You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's
efforts at the link below.
They will call us sore losers. They will have their lawyers and computer
experts too. They will refute the evidence. But the truth is on our side
and we will prevail.
Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the
details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.
www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection
What we need now is for the information to get out to more people. The
mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat. So
please forward this email to your friends and family. If every person tells
three other people, everyone will know before the media decides to wake up.
Peace,Gary BeckwithFrom:bchloej@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state I'm a Bush Babe and I got the same message. It said I would be deleted form the list if messages got bounced again--whatever that means. Thats okay I had been interested in discussing ways to kick drug addiction--but found this is just another hate site against our president in war time.From:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Faith
Faith,
On this site you can get any discussion or info you seek. Just put your differences aside for the greater good of your son. Was it Ben Franklin who said,"I may disagree with what you have to say but I will fight to the death your right to say it." I believe this is the true meaning of freedom. I don't put out political stuff as a rule and I don't get it back. The delete button comes in handy also. I may only get a response from a handfull of people but it's a handfull more than I'd find on this topic and this mindset anywhere else. Hope you reconsider,Respectfully, MarteeFrom:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] dream state
Maybe it is the president who makes war time,
Getting one man like Saddam doesn't need to cost so many lives.
To find weapon of mass distraction doesn't need to be done with occupation,
After all war is not an answer when money talks.
I think you got already 1000 man dead and so many more who will have part
of their body missing or die from cancer, Bush has no weapon in his hand to
fight evil.
Bush is at home with his Barbie watching himself talk on the TV.
Shaking hand with Blair having a good laugh.
At least he has a hands he can shake with, some people don't and they are
only 20 years old kids.
Power corrupts in all shapes and forms. Even when it doesn't look like it on
TV.
If Bush was a good Christian he wouldn't be in war. He would be a friend
with his enemy and try to make the enemy understand that working together
Is better then killing each other.
It is just shame that people want to save a life of an addict with Ibogaine
treatment but send "their son" to be killed in a silly war game of some rich
people.
And those rich people will get their ways anyways as they are corrupted by
power and money. Satan works in mysterious ways.
It is about "to be... or not to be..."and Bush wants to be at war time.
The enemy is in your head. People always can be friends, just like they didbefore they become an enemy. Bush believes in God, then God he should pray
to God and ask forgiveness for all the lives who are lost thanks to his
policies, but no he will just see that tomorrow more of his and othercitizens will be killed. While you are watching TV.From:GardenRestaurant@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Conservatives
I found this study at
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
very interesting:
Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about
the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political
conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and
that some of the common psychological factors linked to political
conservatism include:
a.. Fear and aggression
b.. Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
c.. Uncertainty avoidance
d.. Need for cognitive closure
e.. Terror management
They really have a different view of the world. Most of the people that we
reconize as great contribuitors to our history and planet, from Lao-tse,
Buddha, Socrate, Jesus, Leonardo da Vinci ,Edison, Einstein. You name it,
where not consevative. I think conservatives are from a different planet
:-). I have a very good friend who are conservatives, but I avoid many
subjects with them. They will never change, it's behond my understanding. I
think behind their lack of compassion and comprehension, most of the time
you will find fears.
Faith :It's like anger, check inside your anger and you will probably find
a secret fear within .francisFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Conservatives- Boycott Republicans
I was watching a news special about the cozy
relationship between Fundamentalists and Right-Wing
Politics( did you know some churches were signing up
voters????), and a thought occurred to me: the "red"
states seem to be populated by people who want to
meddle in other people's lives...I mean, what is it to
you personally if two men(or women) decide to form a
civil union?? How does it affect your life in any
noticeable way?
I have decided to boycott all things Republican, and
have found a website-in development- that lists
companies who contributed to the Republican campaign.
http://www.boycottrepublican.org/
I am sick of individuals who feel it is their
God-given right to meddle in other people's affairs.
Why don't they get off their fat, cornbred, fried
chicken asses and fix some of their own social,
cultural, and economic problems, and leave the rest of
us alone...Fuckers...From:BiscuitBoy714@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state Faith, this is the only list that I know of where love is freely given. Everybody speaks their mind. I for one disagree with Bush's policies but I stand behind the 19 and 20 year old kids my own sons age that have to implement his fuck ups. HE HAD NO PLAN> he still doesn't. How can you send fast moving troops with light armor to hold a piece of land indefinitely? These guys have had to weld armor and buy communication gear over the net. These things should have been worked out before they ever got on the boat or plane, whatever. That's bullshit!!! RandyFrom:slowone@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state
but if you expect support for a [p]resident of the likes of GWBush
on a list like this, well don't hold yer breath.
I think Norris was speaking for Bush too.
Come to think of it, I think the list would probably be critical
and dismayed with any president.. unless perhaps s/hedecriminalised ibogaine :-)From:bchloej@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Conservatives- Boycott Republicans Yes, and the democrats were offering drugs to addicts to vote, and underwear to homeless. (people without rent or house payments) in exchange for their vote. And, by the way I'm not addicted to anything, have never conned a Dr. to get drugs, never stolen, wrote a bad check, don't lie, cheat or steal. I am interested in ibogaine as a way to help my son who's an addict. BTW, he blames no person for this. He wasn't born addicted, he chose this addiction. But in his words when the subject or females choosing to end another persons life "One of those people may have been the person who came up with a cure for AIDS." BYW, I do believe our President Bush is an alcoholic, and quit drinking. Perhaps you would be interested in learning how he did it.From:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] (ot) Re: [Ibogaine] faith's hate
Faith wrote >Thats okay I had been interested in discussing ways to kick drug addiction--but found this is just another hate site against our president in war time.<
Faith,
Yes indeed, I cannot stand Bush nor his ilk. Yes indeed I am astounded that more of my fellow citizen do not seem to see what a flat out evil man he is nor that dropping bombs on other people is BAD. Living in Manhattan less than a mile from "ground zero" I can vouch for the awful horror that come with dropping bombs on cities, whether the bomb is in the form of an airplane as happened here or in the form of manufactured bombs as is happening in Iraq now, today. Therefore I will continue to speak out emphatically about my thoughts on the whole "some bombing good, some bombing bad" mentality, especially if I see notes supportive of Bush, and asserting that the person posting, such as yourself, is a representative of "decent people"- as though those of us opposed to prohibiton, bombing other people, warmongering, fear-instilling, hate-spreading, religious intolerance, sexual discrimination, and other flat out nasty behavior are not "decent"- popping up on the ibogaine list, a list dedicated to what I feel anyway is harm reduction. I can't see what we're doing in Iraq or much of anywhere for that matter as reducing any harms whatsoever, and if you or anyone else continues to insist on posting lauditory messages pro-Bush, I imagine you or whoever it is posting such messages will continue to reap the rewards of such posting. We have to be willing to take responsibility for our actions, including posting on the ibogaine list these what seem to me to be blatantly and willfully ignorant, uneducated, hateful, mystifying "I luv Bush, he can do no wrong and never has" notes.
With all this said though, it appears to me that you are not only supportive of Bush and his evil plots and plans and war for the sake of war, but you are also apparently being very selective in what you are reading here, as I myself have seen all sorts of messages come through since you made your appearance here on the ibogaine list, many of which deal specifically with drugs and addiction and how to combat the addictions or at least make life a bit better for those addicted and for those who live with and love the addicted.
So please, whether I disagree openly or not with your political views, stick around a while, as you may very well stumble across some information of the sort you really are seeking and need to find apparently. Come to think of it, I myself have yet to actually see you do more than briefly mention your son's troubles with addiction- I've seen very few particulars from you, mainly just "oooo, everyone here is sooo hateful and disagrees with me" messages instead of "how do I get the help I feel my son needs" messages. I mean, you've even posted that your son has already taken ibogaine and didn't get anything out of it, begging the next question- what exactly are you seeking here on the ibogaine list then, please? I hate to think you were scared off by my and others' opposition politically. Addiction has no politics, and affects everyone no matter who they support for President, and no matter how many bombs they wish dropped on other people. (Karma though is something you may want to research more, come to think of it, as I am a firm believer in Karma, and I honestly feel that anyone who wishes death, pain and anguish on others is going to be dealing with some might horrific, hard-core karma in my opinion.)
Sorry, I couldn't help that.
Anyway, please try to focus on exactly what it is you want here, and let me or all of us know, so we may be able to communicate with you on another level without being reminded how your (what seem to many of us here, as near as I can tell from the responses to your "I LUV that Bush" messages, as meanhearted, judgmental- not that I myself am doing any judging here or anything- and murderous) political views.
Peace and love,Preston PeetFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Conservatives- Boycott Republicans
Faith,
Church and State must be SEPARATE- an quick
examination of history will reveal that. Giving
sandwiches out would qualify more as a charitable,
merciful act, and you as a Christian should be down
with that.
I never insinuated you were an addict; therefore,
please don't assume I'm an alcoholic, as I have never
been dependant on the stuff. In fact, post-Ibo, I
find alcohol revolting....
I just don't understand the motivations of people who
choose to vote Republican. Guess I never will.JulieFrom:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Conservatives- Boycott Republicans
BYW, I do believe our President Bush is
an alcoholic, and quit dirnlking. Perthaps you would be interested in
learning how he did it.<
He substituted pretzals for alcohol? He was arrested and forced into mandatory treatment? Oh, wait, I know, oooh, oooh me, me! I know this one!
He found GOD! "As he understands him" I'm not sure about (i.e.12-step-type outlooks of that godthing), but I've heard tell it's god that did him right, and not just any god either, but the almight god along with his good and only son jesus christ, saved his soul taught him the true path to love and tolerance and acceptance and a sober way of dealing with life. never uses any drugs nowadays, not with the god/jesus substitution...unless we of course take into consideration those times when Bush's eyes have been ever so glassy, vague and distant, his words mumbled and slurred, his face bruised, his stories absur...oh, hold on, that would be alcoholic behavior (behavior I myself wouldn't have any idea the feeling of, seeing as I've never had a problem with alcohol, I just used illegal hard drugs instead, so I wouldn't know anything about making up stories and otherwise alcoholic like behavior, nope, not me, I wouldn't know one when I see one, nuh-uh)
Or do I have this wrong Faith? Was it something else? Please clue me in. (I don't have anything against Bush being a drinker or an alcoholic Faith, I would appreciate him being straight with us though, seeing as he didn't ever have to do any time or mandated treatment I'm aware of, yet he is continuing with the same tired anti-drug policies everyone before him has supported, and he should know better, espeically if the cocaine allegations and other drugs too are true.)
Me, suprised to be caught discussing
Bush's possible methods of geting
clean with my good buddy Sam,
since gone on to places with more
slower mice and better catnip.
Peace and love,Preston PeetFrom:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] FAITH
Oh for Godsake-this is a newsgroup about IBOGAINE.
It is also INTERNATIONAL
Us people across the water are TERRIFIED by the results of your election and
couldn't imagine how it happened! Thanks to your posts and the info on the
Black Boxes I'm starting to understand.
Your president CREATED this wartime.
If you really wanted to help your son and discuss drug addiction then shut
up about Bush-I'm sure even you have realised by now how WE ALL feel on
this-stop antagonising us!
Either leave or show some interest in DRUG ADDICTION!
Sincerely,
Hannah Clay
UK****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW $1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:cherylca@... Subject:[Ibogaine] loved conference so where do I get ibogaine?
I heard people talking about ibogaine but nothing like this weekend it was very exciting and thank you Patrick I wouldn't have known about it if you didn't talk at the opening plenary youre a big inspiration!
I checked the date of the ibogaine movie, there was a room filled with people there and no ibogaine movie. I went to the ibogaine session and I loved all of it this was the high point of everything for me! I loved the energy Patrick that was great except now I have the confusion!
You need bigger rooms, it gets tiring standing or sitting on the floor then waiting in the hall I understood you, got lost midway through your doctor friend's talk because the talk went so fast and I don't understand anything he was saying at the end, the underground railroad was great from Howard Lotsof, I loved the first part of Dana Beal's talk but then don't understand anything he was saying the second half, you had Dr. Cohen give up and get drowned out that's a first one then you had Dana Beal and Dr. Cohen yelling at each other in the hallway louder then the speakers in the room, someone ran up and yelled fuck everybody after dana, that's all I understood of his talk, I didn't understand a word the bald girl said I didn't understand what the boy with the long hair was talking about.
It was a great event and a lot of fun! Too many people and most of us sat there some of us on the ground and waited for a 3 hour long panel that didn't end for over 4 hours with no breaks and then all the speakers ran out of the room without answering one question! If there was another movie or meeting in the ballrooms I didn't find it or anyone. Every one of you vanished after the event!It was exciting but you need bigger rooms! Thank you for helping me find ibogaine now where do I find ibogaine? Where do I get it? Thanks also for printing all those guidebooks or I woulnd't know who anyone is without the front pages. I've also read 20 messages on this list today and don't understand most of it so far.From:vector620022002@... Subject:[Ibogaine] new orleans
Howard you're back from New Orleans! We want all the dirt, did Patrick
set fire to his guitar, did he tongue kiss on stage with Dr. Mash? Did
everyone do ibogaine and have a group orgy? Details! Howard it's all up
to you, patrick stopped writing anything so if you're covering what
happened at the conference in case you weren't sure we don't care about
the boring stuff, we want all the dirt! :) :) :) Who had sex, who did
drugs, who got in a fight! That's the least I expect from something
moderated by Patrick, don't let us down..:vector:.From:HSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] new orleans
I'll work on the boring stuff later for a full report but, here are the
answers you were looking for. Patrick didn't burn his guitar but, someone set the
hotel on fire. Photographs will follow. Mash didn't show. It was rumored she
was afraid of Jon Freedlander's science. Whatever she and Patrick may have
done they did it in Miami. I think everyone had sex. Someone stole the film
so I can't be sure. Everyone did drugs. No one got in a fight. I think
everyone did ibogaine and no one moved much at all so it must have been ibogaine.
Doses were in the 15mg/kg range. The ibogaine session was wall to wall people,
standing, on the floor and out the door. Really packed and a very hot
session. Jeff Kamlet was spectacular. So was I. How is that for self promotion.
More later I have a lot of catching up to do. Others who were there feel
free to post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I was told
Dana yelled at peter cohen but, I was not there at the time. Some of what I
have said is true and some is not. Good luck determining what is what. It is
the effect of being in New Orleans.HowardFrom:jfreed1@... Subject:[Ibogaine] y0...
i just wanted to thank everyone who came to the conference.. i had a
completely fucking brilliant time.i'm going to sleep for the next three weeks, i think.. =)From:digital@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] new orleans
It wuz all Jon Freedlander... Jeff and I were both very jealous of him. He just radiates raw animal magnetism. The hotel couldn't handle it. Riots broke out, fires were set, the line to get inside the room stretched around the block. Howard wept, but Norma consoled him. Dana was so frustrated he beat up Peter Cohen ... or not; harsh words were exchanged, prolly some sorta difference of opinion. Who can say. The seXual tension of crowds is way-cool.
I feel so cheap and used.
CoolPatrickFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Enzyme/Brain Receptor Switches Addiction On & Off
Brain receptor switches addiction on, off: study
Findings suggest that enzyme may be manipulated
pharmacologically to control brain receptor
by Jessica Whiteside
The discovery of a molecular "addiction switch" in the
mammalian brain has the potential to control the
addiction process in drug addicts, say U of T
researchers.
A study published Jan. 18 in the online edition of
Nature Neuroscience finds that a region of the brain
called the VTA contains receptors that, when exposed
to a certain enzyme, can control the switch from an
addicted to non-addicted state and back again. This
goes against previous ideas that viewed drug addiction
as a permanent change in the brain, says lead authorSteven Laviolette who conducted the research while a
PhD student at U of T's Department of Anatomy and Cell
Biology with senior author Professor Derek van der
Kooy.
"Our findings suggest that instead of a permanent
alteration in the brain, there's actually a switch
that goes on between two separate systems (one that
mediates the brain's response to drugs while not yet
addicted and the other that mediates response once
addicted)," says Laviolette. "They also suggest we may
be able to manipulate that switch pharmacologically to
take drug addicts back to a non-addicted state in a
relatively short period of time so they do not crave
the drug."
The switch is a brain receptor known as GABA-A; an
enzyme - carbonic anhydrase - produced by the body
controls how the receptor behaves. In studies with
rats, the researchers were able to manipulate the
enzyme with a drug to control whether it turned this
switch on or off. Without such intervention, the brain
can switch back to a non-addicted state following a
period of withdrawal from drugs - a process often
measured in weeks. By manipulating the enzyme
pharmacologically, however, that return to a
non-addicted state in rats has been reduced to a
matter of hours, says Laviolette, now a post-doctoral
fellow at the University of Pittsburgh.
"The same anatomical pathways that we're manipulating
in rats also exist in humans so we hope that this will
be applicable to human drug addiction as well," he
says.
Collaborators on the study, funded by the Canadian
Institutes of Health Research, included Roger Gallegos
and Steven Henriksen of the Scripps Research Institutein California.From:ptpeet@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Opening Pandora's Box:
HI all,
With the recent news breaking about vaccinating druggies to stop them from even being able to get high in the first place, I post this excerpt from DrugWar.com's latest expose, posted this morning, (Nov. 16, 2004). Long-time contributor to DrugWar.com and a contributor to Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, Cletus Nelson has painted an ugly picture of the strides being made to not only tell us what we can and can't do with our minds, but the efforts to physically alter our brains and bodies to insure we comply with prohibitionist insanities.
Peace and love to all,
Preston
http://www.drugwar.com/cpandora.shtm
Opening Pandora's Box:
Anti-Drug Vaccines Gather Momentum
by Cletus Nelson
for DrugWar.com
Nov. 16, 2004
Back in 2002, DrugWar.com addressed a disturbing new strategy in the war on drugs: The development of anti-drug "vaccines" capable of permanently blunting the effects of mind-altering substances. The article ("Headshrinking the American Addict"), discussed how the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) in partnership with various corporate and public entities was spending millions developing this supposed "cure" for the "disease" of addiction. The sheer scope of this neuro-political endeavor, which sounds like something out of a futuristic science fiction thriller, generated more than a few incredulous responses from skeptical readers. Yet some two years later, this far flung experiment in social control is gaining traction among prohibitionists.
SOUNDING THE ALARM
Over the past year, the anti-drug agents, or "pharmacotherapy" drugs, have drawn the attention of the Northern California-based Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics (CCLE). This spring, the Center distilled their research into a compelling 52-page report that makes for some truly disturbing reading. Titled Threats to Cognitive Liberty: Pharmacotherapy and the Future of the Drug War," the well researched position paper comes to the unsettling conclusion that within the next decade this once speculative venture is destined to become a reality. Indeed, the report predicts that the medically-based approach to countering drug abuse will "tremendously impact" the strategic focus of both American and International drug control strategies. Moreover, the CCLE warn that this ominous development will engender a "striking expansion of the state's policing mechanism on at least two fronts: 1) from external policing to internal policing; and 2) from restraining a person's body and behavior, to directly restraining a person's thoughts and thought processes." (p. 41)These aren't the ruminations of a crew of stoners swapping conspiracy theories over bong hits in the back of a van, but the opinion of a nationally recognized organization of experts in such diverse fields as science, law, ethics, and medicine. While it is hoped that the Center's learned observations will engender greater public debate about the vaccines, this authoritative document is also invaluable as it explores the underlying motivations behind this backdoor attempt by government officials to claim ownership to our minds.
NEW WEAPONS, SAME WAR
The CCLE identify three types of vaccines currently in development; Receptor Blockers, Molecule Binders, and Metabolism Modifiers. Most Americans are familiar with the latter group as they include anti-drinking medications such as the highly popular Antabuse which is often prescribed for alcoholism. The goal of these compounds is merely to induce intense discomfort when an individual imbibes a particular substance in order to discourage its further use. Anyone who has viewed Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange is familiar with this form of negative conditioning. However, Receptor Blockers are far more drastic as the compounds directly enter the bloodstream to short circuit the addictive process by using "antagonists" and other agents to permanently neutralize and/or inhibit the ability of the brain's receptor sites to process psychoactive drugs. Similarly, Molecule Binders are designed to bind like antibodies to the molecules of illegal substances rendering them incapable of penetrating the blood-brain barrier.
The study places great emphasis on the fact that pharmacotherapy medications have the potential to significantly alter both how the drug war is perceived and how prohibition efforts will be conducted in the near future. In essence, the new approach "expands the battlefield from the Colombian coca farms and Middle-Eastern poppy fields to a new terrain directly inside the bodies and brains of drug users." (p.6) [emphasis in the original]
The reason for this dramatic shift in strategy isn't difficult to fathom: The drug war is a colossal failure. Citing recent statistics from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMSHA), the Center notes that an estimated 19 million Americans (age 12 and above) ingest some type of illegal drug each month. Thus, the federal government, which has long relied on punitive measures ranging from imprisonment to asset forfeiture in order to reduce demand for illicit drugs, is seeking to retake the offensive in this losing war by reprogramming the brains of alleged substance abusers.
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Read complete article at above URL
Peace and love,
Preston Peet---------From:BiscuitBoy714@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Aftercare I've been through therapy since 1977. Behavior Mod.. Gestalt, Ret,Rbt,12 step program for 10 years..... and so on. I'm doing this because I was told to. I'll keep an open mind but I would say it will take 2 or 3 months to just get started and I won't be around for very long, God willing and the creek don't rise. I have to work on being angry at things that are inevitable. Can't change objective reality. I can change what I think about it. I can avoid the major DICKS that come along in life. So I shall. Maybe I should be doing this in KY where they are big time into what Ibogaine has to offer. Hay seeds? Maybe. Big time open minded and intelligent? Yes. Wonder why they know about it in KY? All the methadone clinics have been so advised. I saw to it and they believe me. They are just waiting to see results. I AM NOT GOING TO USE!!!!! I would have by now. I had a great opportunity to do so and was sick at the thought of it. I lost my best friend in the world to stay clean. He saved my life but he's using and he said shit to me I'll never forget when I confronted him about it. I haven't stayed clean this long since 95, and then I was forced to. I have Dr.'s from here to KY who will give me about what I want. Or used to want I should say. Randy PS I tried hypnosis too. I was hip mo dized. It didn't work.From:ptpeet@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] history of methadone. was: For Faith
Jon wrote >nother intersting tidbit i discovered just now... the name "Adolphine"
wasn't coined until the 1970's. Methadone was originally called Amidon by
the Nazis, and then in the late 40's, Eli-Lilly pharmeceuticals gave it
the name "Dolophine", not from Adolph, but from the Latin "dolor" for pain
and "fin" for end. which makes sense, seeing as Eli-Lilly is a US company.
It wasn't till the 70's that people in NYC started calling it "Adolphine",
presumably to give it a negative connotation.<
Yep, yer right about that Adolphine thing too, except I'm not sure about the 1970s bit but really haven't any reason to doubt that, but I am pretty sure that Amidon was the "code" name for Polamidon, what became known as Methadone eventually:
from my dossier "M is for Methadone":
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id838/pg1/
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One very common misconception is that Dolophine, one of the very first trade names given to the drug, was derived from "Adolph", in honor of the dictator himself by the Nazis, and that in Germany it was called "Adolophine." The fact of the matter seems to be this name was not given the drug until after the war, by the Eli-Lilly pharmaceutical company in America, which was given control of the drug.
If there was any honoring of Hitler going on, it was by the Americans who invented this urban legend. Dolophine most likely derives from the French words "dolor" (pain), and "fin" (end).
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Jon also wrote >for futher reading on the history of methadone, check out:<
And you can also check out my M is for Methadone, which is followed by a whole bunch of links to further info.
btw, the Dolophine name was one of the very first trade names for Methadone, and it was patented as Polamidon on, get this, my birthday (well, on the same date, only a few years before my own special day), September 11, 1941:
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On September 11, 1941, Bockmuhl and Ehrhart filed a patent application for, and were formally credited with, the discovery of Hoechst 10820 (Polamidon), which eventually became known as Methadone.
In the Autumn of 1942, I.G. Farben handed over the drug, codenamed "Amidon", to the German military for further testing.
The Nazis did not make any attempt to mass produce the drug, unlike Pethidine, which by 1944 was being produced at an annual rate of 1600 kg. One reason for this was given by Dr. K K Chen, an early American researcher, after the war. He said that a former employee of the I. G. Farben factory had written him, saying that the Germans had discontinued Polamidon use due to its side effects. Chen decided that the Nazis had been giving their test subject doses that were too high, causing nausea, overdose, etc....
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Eli-Lilly, along with other companies in the US and Great Britain, began clinical trials of Dolophine, marketing the drug as a pain killer and cough suppressant. In 1947, Isabel et al, published their findings after experimenting on both animals and humans. After giving doses of up to 200mg., four times a day, they found that there was rapid tolerance, and euphoria. They also discovered that there were a bevy of adverse side effects, such as, "signs of toxicity . . . inflammation of the skin . . . deep narcosis and . . . a general clinical appearance of illness." Once again, just like the Nazis, the scientists were giving doses that were far too high.
Morphine addicts responded well to Dolophine, but authorities decided that it was potentially highly addictive. As reports of Dolophine addicts started coming in, thedrug was taken of the market, only to resurface in the 1960s, now known as Methadone.snip-From:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Testing positive for methadone after almost 4 weeks Dear List,
How are ye all? Just wanted to let you guys know a little something I have discovered about meth. Dropped into my doc's today, to have a chat about Ibo/detox, and to leave a clean urine in good faith. I was surprised to learn that my urine test of Nov. 4 was POSITIVE for methadone- and this was after 3 weeks, 4 days of meth abstinence! The morphine was long gone, but the methadone lingered.
I am quite surprised. I knew meth was a long lasting substance, but had NO idea it would take almost a month to flush out of my body! My doctor was thrilled with my clean urine and relative sanity- apparently I am the first person to ever return clean to the clinic after detoxing. He gave me a script for Trazadone(for insomnia), and referred me to a relapse-prevention counsellor.
To all the peeps still on methadone- YOU CAN BEAT THIS!! Despite what the medical profession or your friends/family might say, it IS do-able. I wish you all the best of luck in your respective journeys...
love JulieFrom:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine]Ibogaine and alcohol - Valium Taper Yes, I'm sure, the lady was on it for 9 years and age was then 47 years old. Her psychiatrist told her that it wasn't possible. But what do they know?
She was fine after, some people quit four , five different drugs in one time but benzo's are just one of them, people take small booster doses for a little while.
And pot just for a week or so and you will not get a seizure that's for sure.
You can taper slowly, and just for quitting do a short treatment of one week, 10 days.
Few weeks ago I had a patient who came off 140 mg of methadone and 50mg of clonazepam , he was 34 years old and use from age of 22.I didn't have anyone your age yet.SaraVan: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@...]Verzonden: vrijdag 12 november 2004 16:03
Aan: ibogaine@...Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine]Ibogaine and alcohol - Valium Tapersara: this is important: this benzo stuff is life threatening. i've done c/t w/d's from h, methadone, dilaudid, demerol and alcohol. are you certain of what you say? thanks, ronand how old was the patient?From:rachelradha@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine]On another note
Jeff update - weak, emotionally raw, still seeing
trails and flashes of light. "Silver-blue globules"
hanging off of things. His last mini-booster (3 of
the total 32.2 HCL) was Wednesday 10 Nov. at 1:15 pm
EST. So 74 hours ago. He says he is not feeling any
withdrawals, but wondering aloud if the weakness is
just his body's cellular adjustment post-methadone or
if he does need another booster. Thanks Julie, for
reminding us that it took you 12 days to feel
"normal."
He's taken to calling me Nurse Ratched today since I'm
so "mean" about trying to get him to drink liquids.
I've been calling him "Weeble" (as in weebles wobble
but they don't fall down, that 70s children's toy)
which was funny until he lost his balance and crackedhis skull against the wall. Ouch.From:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine]On another note Rachel,
After 3.5 weeks of no methadone, I still tested
positive for it during my urinalysis- something to
think about. The weakness eventually does get better-
tell him that low-impact exercise really seemed to
help a lot. If he's still too weak for that, tell him
to at least stretch.
How long has he been off methadone...a week? How's
his appetite?JulieFrom:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine]On another note Hi rachel and jeff,
the weakness or fatique as i referred to it, lasted me a good part of a month and it was only about a few weeks ago that I notice i'm back to normalish. After 4 days I got up and walked down the block and back with a cane for support and to lean on.After 2 weeks I still had to take breaks to have enough energy to get breakfast. I didn't have a caretaker after the first week. Between 10 days and 4 weeks I would venture out in the car to the book store and trader joes and just 2 hours of car to store and back was of major exhaustion. But I saw some progress daily and definite progress from week to week. I went back to work after 1 month at half time with breaks that I usually didn't take, but before I was drug fueled. I'm still finding out what's normal for me. My observation was (sorry to be repetitive, I get tired of hearing it myself) the healthier I ate the better. Healing or coming back, is about your immune systems capacity to act. Let him notice for himself what helps and what hinders. My sister bought me hagen das and rice Krispies my first day out after fasting for 3 days during the session.My taste buds said yes but i tell you it wasn't pretty for the people around me. Once on my own and sooo overwhelmed by the fatigue I became more strict due to the cause and effect. Even though the ibogaine does marvelous things in the brain, I believe your physical body in some has to pay the piper type of thing. I also look back and see the time as nothing to do but reflect, read, contemplate, listen to a lot of music, talk to anyone I could get on the phone. I put 4x the minutes on my cell, all those things some of us neglect I believe it is possible if you do a booster it will prolong the fatigue and sleeplessness. Jeff, count your blessings, as they are abundant, and give yourself permission to heal at the pace it is happening. Taking anything could make it worse. Which is only my observation and personal experience. No reference note available. Thank you for your phone number, I will call when i get my voice back. Maybe tommorrow. Much Love, MarteeFrom:mafinman@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state I am curious what people immediate post ibo and after that noticed in the changes in their dreams. I believe dreams are a therapeutic tool for onself. There's that self reliance thing again. Prior to treatment I would remember dreams, they were in 3D and color. I also had the ability to remember years worth of dreams at one time.
After ibogaine I noticed things like extremely sharp sensory experiences. I could smell in my dreams now, I can taste in my dreams, feel physical sensations(thanks george clooney),and have experienced twice the state of being high. In the past all my dope dreams(including 5 years worth after my first interuption in addiction from ages 15-18) as well as the few I had in the past 3 mos, were all about procuring everything I needed to commence the act. My 2 substances and my apparatus. I never ever actually did anything in any of these many dreams. Last week I had one where I was sitting in my mothers living room and actually doing something and experiencing the buzz. Now it wasn't the best high we all fantasized about everytime we scored, it was this buzz you get when you've done too much not so good drugs and you're not getting any higher. It was NOT pleasant. The second one was about 3 days ago, I smoked some pot I had in my bag that someone had rolled for me. In the dream they were rolled too loose and burned to fast, but I experienced an actuall marijuana high. I haven't smoked pot in probably 20 years. Haven't drank alcohol for 12 years until a month out of treatment I was with a group in a mexican restaurant and had a carona with lots of lime. I got buzzed on 3 oz. and it was entertaining for everyone. However'when I realized how much I liked it I decided not to induldge again while my brain is still experiencing the combination of ibogaine and reality. I don't want to muck up the experience with anything that is going to hinder the natural process of what is happening. This may explain part of my whole food thing for right now. I'm not always soooo strict.
So I'm really curious if anyone will share anything about their dream state.
I think some dreams are ways the brain releases emotion and junk we hold. Some are just a mix of things we've observed that have little to no meaning, and some can be prophetic,or visits or problem solving if we can understand our own representations. I personally don't believe in those books that say if you see this symbol it means this. Everyone has their own perceptions.
Any feedback on dreams or what you've noticed re your brain that's different would help. Any of you phds or educated types that have any technical explanation I would welcome that as well.
In advance I thank you, MarteeJulie: I believe i did the HCL. If i find out differently I'll let you know.From:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state
Martee,
My dreams have been fantastic! Very colourful, very
vivid. very exciting...I'm wondering if it's the
influence of the Ibo, or perhaps juat the absence of
the dope. I have been dreaming of long journeys,
large bodies of water, and the small town I grew up
in. I have also been dreaming of fantastic sex with
alien gods(seriously!), and magical doorways on the
sides of mountains, that lead to strange and exotic
places. So far, no dreams of using...And not one
single nightmare(knock on wood)...
Anyone else have any cool post-Ibo dreams they'd like
to share??JulieFrom:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state
Julie,
Thank you so much for your reply. I had one of my clients tell me she had a dream that took place in 1700's that she conscously had no knowledge of the specifics of that period. She was wearing the clothes and in the town etc. I believe this was a past life recollection. I also think that guy you saw being beheaded with his soul (spirit) going up could quite possibly have been past life for you. It was common in the past that people were killed either with beheadings, hangings and strangulations. I believe that's why a lot of people have issues with wearing anything tight around the neck. I know I had until very recently a claustrophobic reaction connected to my neck, feet and wrists. If it took more than 1 second to unbotton a shirtsleeve I would panic and loose the ability to breathe. In my last energy work session, A past life where I was in late 1700's locked up in an insane asylum for being "eccentric" (some things never change), I was shackled around my neck, ankles and wrists. Since this revelation I have been ok going down into the subways without the panic feeling and haven't paniced when it took to long to take my watch off. I was also told that the majority of my addiction issues are covering up pain from past lives. In my session I recollect a young 10 year old boy somewhere in the midwest around what I guessed to be the late 1800"s or very early 1900"s talking to his father. My impression that the young boy was me previously. Aside from what you're seeing in the dream I was wondering about the actual sensations experienced as oppossed to viewing or just being there. I think the whole iboga meet your ancestor thing, that it is quite possible that you are one of your own ancestors!I also am interested in the whole scientific explanation for what happens. I don't discriminate. (much).
How's your energy level coming. What is your age? Unless I'm mixing you up with someone else I believe you said your usage was 4 years?
Anything you will share will be appreciated and used hopefully for the greater good.MarteeFrom:BiscuitBoy714@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state Martee, I was all prepared to see my ancestors when I took the Ibo, which by the way was over 6 weeks ago, and I didn't. I saw my son a bunch of times and he looks a lot like me so it may well have been me I don't know. He was always smiling like he did when he was little and he seemed to have a halo around his head. I have always been a very lucid dreamer so It is hard to tell if Ibogaine changed any of that. When I was little, maybe 5 and 6 I had recurring dreams of nuclear war. My mother says I described it perfectly. Maybe I was at Hiroshima or something. They dropped that bomb on Aug. 6, I was born Aug. 7, 12 years later. I've had some real wild dreams since the Ibo (lots of sex dreams) that were absolutely very real at the time. When I wake up it is disappointing. I have read that smoking pot diminishes lucid dreaming so I may be missing out. The other day I dreamed that terrorist were using big Chinook helicopters to bomb Catskill, NY. I still see it in my head. Being opiate free roks like an ox though no matter the dreams. I've been thrilled or terrified at my dreams all my life.Almost the whole Ibo experience for me centered on Africa. Even when I was in the spaceship it seems a pygmy was driving it. I want to go to Africa real bad. Always have. Now I don't want to hunt Cape Buffalo, I have better reasons to go. Randy PS right before I woke up tonight I dreamed I shot an elk with an AK 47. 7.62X39 rounds aren't bad but it is not elk fodder. Whats up with that? I would never go under gunned for any game. Ethics are everything for people who really are into hunting for the sake of being there. RandyFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state Martee,
I'm 26, but I alternate between 18 and 50, depending on the circumstances...I think my circadian rhythm is still screwed up, and this is why I have such vivid recollections of my dreams. I can get to the deep sleep, but when the cycle starts again, and I return to lighter levels, my body automatically wakes up
Last night I dreamed I was a prisoner in an internment camp, nested between two huge mountains. I had a daughter that was at least my own age(I have no kids), and a husband that was imprisoned in the male section. Anyone trying to escape was shot either through the heart or the neck with a flaming arrow. My last memory of the dream, before I awoke, was of running furiously, out the front gate of the prison; running so fast I could feel and smell the perspiration on my skin! Has anyone else experienced vivid smells, colours, etc..? I've heard we only dream in black and white, but I don't believe this at all.
Martee, do you practice hypnosis? I would love to chat more with you about dreams/past life regressions. I think this is a very cool topic, and thanks for bringing it up....
JulieFrom:GardenRestaurant@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state
My two cents ...
When I was thirty, I read a book that changed my life.
As soon I opened it, my heart started to race. I already knew the contents.
The effect of the " deja vu " was so powerful that we had to call a doctor
who injected me with a strong tranquilizer. I thought I was dying, for
several years I still had attacks of tachycardia . I had a dream about my
past-life for years and years, seeking my Grand Father house in a small
village in the middle east before the first World War . One day , in a dream
I found the house and discovered my familly. The tachycardia disappears.
During theses years of fears and despair I have been researchingexplanations and techniques, first to help myself and then to help others.
That brought me to study and use NLP, past life regression ect. With
incredible results, fast and clean, I could help people but never
satisfactory enought in my opinion
Something was missing; people will get ride of their
phobies ect. but will not change at a deeper level and will not find peace.
A friend of mine who had been a missionary for ten years; he was convinced
that he was possessed by several evil entities. This man who had been
living a virtuous life for years was now an addict, not only to substances
but to sex as well. He was contemplating the idea of suicide. He asked me to
deliver him and gave me three books on depossession. The same week I worked
on him in two long session of about 4 hours. Exausting and spooky. After
years of fight between treatment centers and relapses psychiatrist and
psycologist he finally felt at peace. Went back to is hometown and resume is
studies.
That was my first experience with depossession . ...
How bizzare and wonderful is life ?/!
Francis
P.S I know that some people will react strongly to this E-mail even
violently. I don't want to start a flame, this is my humble experience. Take
it as it is. For me addiction is a spiritual disease, and when I said
addiction I am refering to " The condition of being habitually or
compulsively occupied with or or involved in something. " .... to escape
realitie and the fear of self discovering. God bless and God blessparticularly " the angels' who are helping people with Ibo.From:mafinman@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Post Ibo dream state Julie,
I was going to comment re: your age how you have your whole life ahead of you, but come to think of it so do I regardless of my age. My last addictive stretch started when I was 30. So I get what you mean. I believe addiction retards the emotional growth process and some do need to do some catching up.
As far as your sleep cycle goes,and this isn't scientific just my observation. Your brain was rinsed, nice and clean like a shiny new penny. Don't expect to pick up exactly where you left off. Getting back to normal has a whole different meaning now. We don't really know what normal is considering where we've been and what we just went through. The sleep thing, I believe the intense colors(which I always experienced) and the "vivid sensations" (which are on my top ten list of the most awesome things I've ever experienced) are from the iboga or the rinse. The fact that I was getting the deep dream state after my treatment and waking up after 2 hours was, I felt, an equal and opposite reaction for the fact that I spent so much time before that in a nod, or as a non participant in my brain and in my life. I expereienced my non dream time as completely functional. Go with and try to work with what your brain and body is telling you. It's a gift that may never be again. It's only been a month that my sleep isn't broken into segments. There are some nights it still is. I can't be more serious or more profound when I say"everything that was old is new again. I don't know if this is more apparent to me because the whole 21 years I've been back in the NY area it has been as an addict. I left(ran for my life) after an addictive stint as a teenager. Was out west in 3 different states for 12 years. Came back addicted and stayed that way till 3 months ago. I personally wouldn't screw up a brand new brain with sleeping pills, unless you felt it was crucial to your sanity, but I believe most sleeping pills don't get you into deep sleep. As my mom used to say ,"If you can't sleep, just rest".
There are quite a few different relaxation techniques or a form of self hypnosis that can get you more rested or to sleep. After a while it gets like that pavlovs dog response that your body knows what's coming and just getting comfortable and thinking of a technique will sometimes get you where you need to be. Meditation is another way to calm the mind and rest the body. Even if you start with 10 minutes and don't visualize anything in the beginning, sitting quiet and breathing all by itself has benefits.I am definitley considering doing some past life work. I think some good energy work and past life stuff can equal a lot of years of psychoanalytical stuff. I'm going to be in an ibogaine group session starting in dec. so I think that covers my psychological requirements. Instead of doing individual I think I can get more bang for my buck doing this other stuff.
I believe your dream sounded a lot like holocaust stuff. I have always felt I was in the holocaust as does my sister and brother in law. I have had this confirmed but not by my own regression. My theory is that a lot of the baby boomers were holocaust victims that were taken out before their time.As a kid I had dreams of being hunted by nazis,gas and thinking I'd be better off blonde. This could also be generational stuff that kids pick up on. I believe the dream about visiting where you grew up and those long journeys are what is referred to as astral visits.
I think dreams are a way to reveal stuff, release stuff, get prayers across and answered. You know the brain is kind of a new frontier. One of the ongoing conversations I've had with my nephew since he was 6 was, What do you think we could do if we had full use of our brain? I believe our actual usage is less than 15%. I could be wrong and that may not be exact but it's something I've heard repeatedly. Again no reference note available. I personally believe we can heal ourselves from anything, replicate damage organs and regenerate damaged limbs. If a reptile can do it....
The whole purpose of the past life regression is not just to have a look see, but to acknowledge the source of todays pain which enables one to release it easier.
I'm done rambling for now. Thanks for the response.&nb
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