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Dana Beal <dana@...> wrote:
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:37:46 -0400
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #54: Conliff, Kriho, Kroupa & Patrick Hunter S. Thompson
Endorse Kerry; Get Yr City on the the Global Marijuana March
Website/Poster!
Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!So far we have confirmed 83 cities:AlbanyAlbuquerqueAthensAshevilleAucklandBergenBerlinBooneBoulderBuenos AiresBurlingtonCapetownChicagoChicoChristchurchCincinnatiColorado SpringsColumbiaDarwinDes MoinesDetroitDoverDublinDunedinEast LansingEugeneFayettevilleFrankfurtFt. SmithHartfordHachitaHoustonKansas CityKristiansandLethbridgeLexingtonLondonLos AngelesMexico CityMissoulaMontrealMoscowNashvilleNewarkNew PaltzNew YorkNimbinOgdenOsloParisPeoriaPhiladelphiaPhoenixPortlandPotsdamPragueRaleighRapid CityRenoRichmondRoanokeRosarioRostockSan FranciscoSarasotaSavannahSpokaneStavangerSt. LouisStockholmTallahasseeTampaThunder BayTorontoTraverse CityTromsoeTrondheimTucsonTupeloUpper LakeVancouverWashington, D.C.WilmingtonThere is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:-------------------------*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005: Updates, Reports!!!*****From: aerialwolf@...Subject: RE: USMJP: Pics from Atlanta
Here is a link to some pictures of the Pot Fest for those that did not get
to make it.
http://tv.ilmjp.com/atlantapotfest04.htm
Peace and Pot,RichFrom: BrennerL21@...http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner10262004.htmlFrom: stevenconliff@...Subject: I Endorse Kerryhttp://www.stevenconliff.com/US WI: Hemp Sign Brings Fine for Masel
by Judith Davidoff, (29 Oct 2004)
Capital Times Wisconsin
Local pro-marijuana activist Ben Masel got to see most of the John Kerry rally, save for a quick trip to the Madison police station.
Masel was arrested by police after trying to get into the rally with a sign urging people to grow hemp.
The tickets for the rally clearly stated that no outside signs were allowed.
Masel said he insisted to security personnel that he had a right to enter the rally with a sign that read "One acre of hemp equals 20 barrels of oil."
"I decided I had a right to carry it in a traditional public forum," he said.
Masel said he was refused entry and got "roughed up by union guys working security" before being arrested by Madison police officers.
He received a $412 ticket for disorderly conduct, a fine that was recently doubled by the City Council.
Masel said he returned to the rally after being arrested and joined the crowd, with his sign, at the same location where he had previously been refused entry.
"By then, they were not staffing the checkpoint," he said.
Masel, 50, has a long record of minor offenses since 1982, mostly disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, in connection with his activism.
MAP posted-by: Richard Lake
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From: cohip@...Dear Friends,
This is just a reminder to Get Out The Vote on Tuesday. Even though Kerry
is not much better, we must defeat Bush and send that squatter running
from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
There have been record increases in voter registration across the country
this year. With the help of groups like MoveOn there will also be a
record voter turnout this year.
Please, take a couple of minutes to call or write your family and friends
before the Election, and remind them how important it is to vote, and ask
them to call their family and friends and remind them, too.
Bush's defeat will be decided by a handful of voters. In Florida in 2000,
Bush won by only 537 votes! So if you call a friend, and they call a
friend, and they call a friend, that will be enough.
Don't make the mistake of assuming your family or friends are going to
vote. Call them anyway! In 1994, I worked on a local race for state
legislature that was LOST BY FOUR VOTES. I knew who those four voters
were! I didn't think I needed to call them to remind them how important
voting was, because they were politically active. But I was wrong. I will
never make that mistake again. That is why I am writing you this letter.
SO YOUR VOTE MATTERS...
BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT, TOO!
Report any voting irregularities or incidents of disenfranchisement to one
of these national hotlines:
Election Protection Hotline
1-866-OURVOTE
http://www.ourvote.com/
Common Cause Hotline
1-866-MYVOTE1http://www.commoncause.org/
Thanks,Laura KrihoFrom: YesOn66@...Every Vote Will Be Needed for Prop 66 to Pass!
Many of you have seen the most recent polls that show our lead decreasing to almost nothing.
We need every vote we can get on Tuesday!
Please, urgently, immediately, call anyone and everyone you know and make sure they know we need every vote we can get.
Make sure they have a way to get to the polls.
If they don't, please help them find a way to get there.
It is absolutely crucial that all of our supporters vote for Prop 66 on Tuesday!
We won't be able to spare a single vote!!!-------"Donald Topping" <dmt@...>,From: cohip@...NORML Report - Oct. 28, 2004
Several States, Cities To Vote Tuesday On Marijuana Policy
http://www.norml.org/
Washington, DC: Voters in three states and numerous municipalities
will vote Tuesday on a variety of marijuana-law reform proposals. Below
is a summary of these pending state and regional ballot initiatives.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA
MONTANA: The Montana Medical Marijuana Act (I-148) allows qualified
patients to possess and cultivate marijuana for medicinal purposes under
the authorization of their physician. Patients registered with the state
are afforded protection under the act, which allows individuals to possess
up to six marijuana plants and one usable ounce of marijuana to treat
certain qualified medical conditions, including cancer, AIDS, and Multiple
Sclerosis.
OREGON: The Oregon Medical Marijuana Act (Measure 33) amends the state's
existing medicinal cannabis law to allow qualified patients to legally
possess up to ten marijuana plants at any one time and one pound of usable
marijuana. The proposal allows state-certified nurse practitioners and
naturopaths to recommend marijuana to their patients, and it expands the
definition of a qualifying medical condition to include "any other medical
condition for which, in the determination of the attending physician, the
medical use of marijuana would be beneficial." The proposal also mandates
the state legislature to promulgate rules to license and regulate medical
marijuana dispensaries "to ensure that medical marijuana is available to
qualified patients."
BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA: The Patients Access to Medical Cannabis Act
(Measure R) establishes new municipal guidelines enhancing the amount of
medicinal marijuana qualified patients may legally possess without
penalty. The proposal replaces Berkeley's 10-plant medical cannabis limit
with an amount in accordance with an individual "patient's needs," as
defined by the patient and his or her physician. It also calls on the city
to distribute medical marijuana if federal officials close Berkeley's four
private medicinal cannabis dispensaries.
ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN: The Ann Arbor Medical Marijuana Act (Proposal C)
amends the Ann Arbor city charter to allow qualified patients to possess
and cultivate marijuana for medicinal purposes under the authorization of
their physician. The proposal mandates "no incarceration, probation, nor
any other punitive or rehabilitative measure" for qualified patients, and
establishes an "affirmative defense to a prosecution" for patients who use
cannabis medicinally.
COLUMBIA, MISSOURI: The Missouri Medical Marijuana Initiative
(Proposition 1) amends the Columbia city criminal code so that "adults who
obtain and use marijuana and/or marijuana paraphernalia for medical
purposes pursuant to the recommendation of a physician shall not be
subject to any arrest, prosecution, punishment, or sanction." It also
mandates that all cases pertaining to the medicinal use of marijuana
"shall only be referred to the Municipal Prosecuting Attorney, and no
other prosecuting attorney, and the Municipal Prosecuting Attorney shall
not refer the matter to any other prosecutor."
PERSONAL USE AND REGULATION
ALASKA: The Alaska Cannabis Decriminalization & Regulation Act (Measure
2) would mandate that "persons 21 years or older shall not be prosecuted,
be denied any right or privilege, nor be subject to criminal or civil
penalties for the possession, cultivation, distribution, or consumption"
of marijuana for medicinal, industrial, or recreational purposes. It also
encourages the state legislature to establish a system to regulate
marijuana "in a manner similar to alcohol or tobacco."
OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA: The Oakland Cannabis Regulation and Revenue
Ordinance (Measure Z) would establish new municipal guidelines directing
"the Oakland Police Department to make investigation, citation, and arrest
for private adult cannabis offenses the lowest law enforcement priority,
effective immediately upon passage of this ordinance." The proposal also
mandates the city of Oakland "to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis for
adult use, so as to keep it off the streets and away from children and to
raise revenue for the city, as soon as possible under state law."
COLUMBIA, MISSOURI: The Missouri Smart Sentencing Initiative (Proposition
2) amends the Columbia city criminal code to reduce misdemeanor penalties
on the possession of marijuana and/or paraphernalia to a fine-only
offense. It also mandates that all cases pertaining to the misdemeanor
possession of marijuana "shall only be referred to the Municipal
Prosecuting Attorney, and no other prosecuting attorney, and the Municipal
Prosecuting Attorney shall not refer the matter to any other prosecutor."
For more information, please contact either Keith Stroup or Paul
Armentano of NORML at (202) 483-5500. A detailed summary of pending state
and local ballot initiatives is available online at:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6172------------------------Renee Boje fights extradition to US
As I watch my wife out of the corner of my eye with my 2-year-old son almost asleep at
her breast, I can think of nothing that has weighed more heavily over my heart than the
US extradition order against her for a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years to life.F U L L S T O R Y http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4052.html*************************BUSHWHACKED!!****************************http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htmhttp://www.electoral-vote.com/pred/http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041029/D861CS9O0.htmlTom Harkin on George Bush and the Drafthttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/103104X.shtmlIraq Explosives Story Detonates Under Bush Campaignhttp://www.truthout.org/docs_04/103104V.shtml
From: straats@...Mickey Herskowitz - a ghost writer for both George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush - has revealed startling information about both men, which he learned from extensive candid conversations with the 41st and the 43rd presidents. Herskowitz revealed the information in a series of interviews with investigative reporter Russ Baker, which Baker tape recorded.[1]
Baker's article reveals that "in 2003, Bush's father indicated to [Herskowitz] that he disagreed
with his son's invasion of Iraq."[2]
George W. Bush was reluctant to talk to Herskowitz about his National Guard service. But Bush
did tell him "that after transferring from his Texas Guard unit two-thirds through his six-year
military obligation to work on an Alabama political campaign, he did not attend any Alabama
National Guard drills at all, because he was 'excused.'"[3] Bush's comments to Herskowitz
"directly contradicts his public statements that he participated in obligatory training with the
Alabama National Guard."[4]
According to Herskowitz, "two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate
George W. Bush was already talking privately about attacking Iraq."[5] In 1999, Bush said to
Herskowitz, "My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of
Kuwait and he wasted it. If I have a chance to invade.... if I had that much capital, I'm not
going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going tohave a successful presidency."[6]
Sources:
1. "Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000," Russ Baker, 10/27/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
2. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
3. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
4. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
5. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
6. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3200301&l=65896.
Eric Straatsma
PO Box 51
El Dorado CA 95623
530-621-9556----------He's been America's most unorthodox political commentator for more than 30 years. But for Dr Hunter S Thompson the Bush presidency is evil beyond belief - and judgement is nigh
28 October 2004
The genetically vicious nature of presidential campaigns in America is too obvious to argue with, but some people call it fun, and I am one of them. Election day - especially when it's a presidential election - is always a wild and terrifying time for politics junkies, and I am one of those, too. We look forward to major election days like sex addicts look forward to orgies. We are slaves to them.
Which is not a bad thing, all in all, for the winners. They are not the ones who bitch and whine about slavery when the votes are finally counted and the losers are forced to get down on their knees. No. The slaves who emerge victorious from these drastic public decisions go crazy with joy and plunge each other into deep tubs of chilled Cristal champagne with naked strangers who want to be close to a winner.
That is how it works in the victory business. You see it every time. The weak suck up to the strong, for fear of losing their jobs and money and all the fickle power they wielded only 24 hours ago. It is like suddenly losing your wife and your home in a vagrant poker game, then having to go on the road with whoremongers and beg for your dinner in public. Nobody wants to hire a loser. Right? They stink of doom and defeat.
"What is that horrible smell in the office, Tex? It's making me sick."
"That is the smell of a loser, senator. He came in to apply for a job, but we tossed him out immediately. Sgt Sloat took him down to the parking lot and taught him a lesson he will never forget."
"Good work, Tex. And how are you coming with my new enemies list? I want them all locked up. They are scum."
"We will punish them brutally. They are terrorist sympathisers, and most of them voted against you. I hate those bastards."
"Thank you, Sloat. You are a faithful servant. Come over here and kneel down. I want to reward you."
That is the nature of high-risk politics. Veni, vidi, vici, especially among Republicans. It's like the ancient Bedouin saying: "As the camel falls to its knees, more knives are drawn."
Presidential politics is a vicious business, even for rich white men, and anybody who gets into it should be prepared to grapple with the meanest of the mean. The White House has never been seized by timid warriors. There are no rules, and the roadside is littered with wreckage. That is why they call it the passing lane. Just ask any candidate who ever ran against George Bush - Al Gore, Ann Richards, John McCain - all of them ambushed and vanquished by lies and dirty tricks. And all of them still whining about it.
That is why George W Bush is President of the United States, and Al Gore is not. Bush simply wanted it more, and he was willing to demolish anything that got in his way, including the US Supreme Court. It is not by accident that the Bush White House (read: Dick Cheney & Halliburton Inc) controls all three branches of our federal government today. They are powerful thugs who would far rather die than lose the election in November.
The Republican establishment is haunted by painful memories of what happened to Old Man Bush in 1992. He peaked too early, and he had no response to "It's the economy, stupid." Which has always been the case. Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous "trickle-down" theory of US economic policy. If the rich get richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow "trickle down" to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to pre-industrial America, when only white male property owners could vote.
Things haven't changed much where George W Bush comes from. Houston is a cruel, crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas with no zoning laws and a culture of sex, money and violence. It's a shabby, sprawling metropolis ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and super-rich pansexual cowboys who live by the code of the West - which can mean just about anything you need it to mean, in a pinch.
Houston is also the unnatural home of two out of the last three presidents of the United States of America, for good or ill. The other one was a handsome, sex-crazed boy from next-door Arkansas, which has no laws against any deviant practice not specifically forbidden in the New Testament, including anal incest and public cunnilingus with farm animals.
Back in 1948, during his first race for the US Senate, Lyndon Johnson was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and told him to call a press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal knowledge of his sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.
His campaign manager was shocked. "We can't say that, Lyndon," he supposedly said. "You know that it isn't true."
"Of course it's not!" Johnson barked. "But let's make the bastard deny it!"
Johnson - a Democrat, like Bill Clinton - won that election by fewer than 100 votes, and after that he was home free. He went on to rule Texas and the US Senate for 20 years and to be the most powerful vice president in the history of the United States. Until now.
Armageddon came early for George Bush this year, and he was not ready for it. His long-awaited showdowns with John Kerry turned into a series of embarrassments that broke his nerve and demoralised his closest campaign advisers. They knew he would never recover, no matter how many votes they could steal for him in Florida, where the presidential debates were closely watched and widely celebrated by millions of Kerry supporters who suddenly had reason to feel like winners.
Kerry came into October as a five-point underdog with almost no chance of winning three out of three rigged confrontations with a treacherous little freak like George Bush. But the debates are over now, and the victor was John Kerry every time. He steamrollered Bush and left him for roadkill.
Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he talked like a donkey with no brains at all. The tide turned early, in Coral Gables, when Bush went belly up less than halfway through his first bout with Kerry, who hammered poor George into jelly. It was pitiful... I almost felt sorry for him, until I heard someone call him "Mister President", and then I felt ashamed.
Karl Rove, the President's political wizard, felt even worse. There is angst in the heart of Texas today, and panic in the bowels of the White House. Rove has a nasty little problem, and its name is George Bush. The president failed miserably from the instant he got onstage with John Kerry. He looked weak and dumb. Kerry beat him like a gong in Coral Gables, then again in St Louis and Tempe. That is Rove's problem. His candidate is a weak-minded frat boy who cracks under pressure in front of 60 million voters.
Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening round, when he finally had to speak without his teleprompter. It was a Cinderella story brought up to date in Florida that night - except this time, the false prince turned back into a frog.
Immediately after the first debate ended, I called Muhammad Ali at his home in Michigan, but whoever answered said the champ was laughing so hard that he couldn't come to the phone. "The debate really cracked him up," he chuckled. "The champ loves a good ass-whuppin'. He says Bush looked so scared to fight, he finally just quit and laid down."
This year's first presidential debate was such a disaster for George Bush that his handlers had to be crazy to let him get in the ring with John Kerry again. Yet Karl Rove let it happen, and we can only wonder why. But there is no doubt that the president has lost his nerve, and his career in the White House is finished. No mas.
Indeed. The numbers are weird today, and so is this dangerous election. The time has come to rumble, to inject a bit of fun into politics. That's exactly what the debates did. John Kerry looked like a winner, and it energised his troops. Voting for Kerry is starting to look like serious fun for everyone except poor George, who now looks like a loser. That is fatal in a presidential election.
I look at elections with the cool and dispassionate gaze of a professional gambler, especially when I'm betting real money on the outcome. Contrary to most conventional wisdom, I see Kerry with five points as a recommended risk. Kerry will win this election, if it happens, by a bigger margin than Bush finally gouged out of Florida in 2000. That was about 46 per cent, plus five points for owning the US Supreme Court - which seemed to equal 51 per cent. Nobody really believed that, but George W Bush moved into the White House anyway.
It was the most brutal seizure of power since Hitler burned the Reichstag in 1933 and declared himself the new boss of Germany. Karl Rove is no stranger to Nazi strategy, if only because it worked for a while, and it was sure fun for Hitler. But not for long. He ran out of oil, the whole world hated him, and he liked to gobble pure crystal biphetamine and stay awake for eight days in a row with his maps and bombers and his dope-addled general staff.
They all loved the whiff. It is the perfect drug for war, as long as you are winning, and Hitler thought he was king of the hill forever. He had created a new master race, and every one of them worshipped him. They were fanatics. That was 66 years ago, and things are not much different today. We still love war.
George Bush certainly does. In four short years he has turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States, and you're not. Love it or leave it.
BULLETIN: KERRY WINS GONZO ENDORSEMENT; DR THOMPSON JOINS DEMOCRAT IN CALLING BUSH "THE SYPHILIS PRESIDENT".
"Four more years of George Bush will be like four more years of syphilis," the famed author said yesterday at a hastily called press conference near his home in Woody Creek, Colorado.
"Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous loser like Bush. He hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will vote against him in November." Thompson, well known for the eerie accuracy of his political instincts, went on to denounce Ralph Nader as "a worthless Judas goat with no moral compass."
"I endorsed John Kerry a long time ago," he said, "and I will do everything in my power, short of roaming the streets with a meat hammer, to help him be the next president of the United States."
Which is true. I said all those things, and I will say them again. Of course I will vote for John Kerry. I have known him for 30 years as a good man with a brave heart - which is more than even the President's friends will tell you about George W Bush, who is also an old acquaintance from the white-knuckle days of yesteryear. He is hated all over the world, including large parts of Texas, and he is taking us all down with him. Bush is a natural-born loser with a filthy-rich daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil-mongers. He hates music, football and sex, and he is no fun at all.
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, but I won't make that mistake again. The joke is over for Nader. He was funny once, but now he belongs to the dead. Nader is a fool, as is anybody who votes for him in November - with the obvious exception of professional Republicans who have paid big money to turn him into a world-famous Judas goat. Nader is so desperate that he's paying homeless people to gather signatures to get him on the ballot. In Pennsylvania, the petitions he submitted contained tens of thousands of phoney signatures, including Fred Flintstone, Mickey Mouse and John Kerry. A judge dumped Ralph from the ballot there, calling it "the most deceitful and fraudulent exercise ever perpetrated upon this court".
But they will keep his name on the ballot in the long-suffering Hurricane State, which is ruled by the President's younger brother, Jeb, who also wants to be the next president of the United States. In 2000, when they sent Jim Baker to Florida, I knew it was all over. In that election, 97,488 people voted for Nader in Florida, and Gore lost the state by 537 votes. You don't have to be from Texas to understand the moral of that story. It's like being out-coached in the Super Bowl. Only losers play fair, and all winners have blood on their hands.
Back in June, when John Kerry was beginning to feel like a winner, we had a quick rendezvous on a rain-soaked runway in Aspen, Colorado, where he was scheduled to meet a harem of wealthy campaign contributors. I told him that Bush's vicious goons in the White House are perfectly capable of assassinating Nader and blaming it on him. His staff laughed, but the Secret Service men didn't. Kerry suggested I might make a good running mate, and we reminisced about trying to end the Vietnam War in 1972.
That was the year I first met him, at a riot on that elegant little street in front of the White House. He was yelling into a bullhorn and I was trying to throw a dead rat over a black-spike fence and on to the President's lawn. We were angry and righteous in those days, and there were millions of us. We kicked two chief executives out because they were stupid warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and we stomped on Richard Nixon - which wise people said was impossible, but so what? It was fun. We were warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a river. That river is still running. All we have to do is get out and vote, while it's still legal, and we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the White House.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Join the Kerry Marijuana Decrim Thread:http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=61002&st=435
theweedman
Oct 29 2004, 10:59 PM
Post #480
Hay Gang...
Like others here, been off fighting the good fight, and trying to help get JK elected here in my home state.... one which until a couple of weeks ago were solid for "The Bush Whack", but now is, according to most polls, a dead heat!!!!
So someone way back when, said Pot was NOT an issue..... My only comment would be to go out and put your political finger in the wind, as it were, and YOU will discover it is growing (pun intended) very quickly.....
My much larger concern at this late date is this:
How do we keep the momentum up on this political topic AFTER the elections???
And a related question...
If all the comments here and for that matter, any/all of the content on this board, are "public domain", then why can't we "MOVE" this topic to another site after the elections, since my guess is this site will go down shortly after JK gets elected...
I have a site which could be used, but I'd like to do the politically correct thing for once, and check with the admins/mods to get their impressions on this.
So what about it Admin1 ??? I haven't seen anything here which would prevent the site from being transplanted somewhere else for the sake of this topic.
One MUCH BETTER SUGGESTION would be to keep this site running and use it as a TRUE POLITICAL TOWN HALL MEETING for a change, one which INCLUDES feedback from the NEW ADMINISTRATION...
This might be "pie in the sky" but could guarantee JK a TRUE picture of the country instead of the insulation which seems to always happen after the winner takes the house.....
That final installment of "Marijuana 101" is still in the works, and I hope to post it the evening of the elections..... thus, closing out my predictions from way back in Feb-Mar..... If anyone wants a copy of the ENTIRE THREAD.... just drop me a line and I'll zip it up and send it on...
Until cannabis is made legal.... I'm;
TheWeedMan
Keep up the good fight everyone, you know I will......
IDB
Today, 06:03 PM
Post #490
Well, it looks like Kerry is winning. See http://www.electoral-vote.com/pred/ So, I've already been lobbying the campaign, which is by and large nowhere near as sure of itself as the candidate himself. Remember "the feds should butt out of Oregon?'
So this site and all the communication going on thru it will expire Tuesday nite. We should do something quickly to set up our own site on Mindvox, or something-- archive everything move it, and then concentrate of keeping Bob Weiner and all the losers from Clinton's ONDCP from monopolizing the debate in the new administration.
My advice? Hemp or cannabis they're ready for. Ibogaine horns in on their monopoly on treatment, ibogaine is really hard for them to counter, and ibogaine is exploding. Ibogaine gets at the weak underbelly of the Drug War. It would be kind of hard to arrest Ben for holding a sign that said "IBOGAINE: Treatment on Demand for Addicts!" or IBOGAINE STOPS CRYSTAL METH HIV TRANSMISSION.
There's going to be a transition team. There has to be some one we can talk to about our concerns. You all can try to contact me via the mods, if they're into it.****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW $1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****From:digital@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Get Up off Your Ass and VOTE (for SOMEBODY)
I unnerstan' that this is a highly charged up time with that election thing happening. But turning this place into the Kerry vs. Bush debate is probably not going to solve or change, much of anything. Which is, okay. Everyone can say whatever they want.
...
However... On election day, get up off your ass and VOTE. For somebody.
...
This is the first time in my entire life that I am actually registered to vote. I am neither a Democrat nor Republican, I'm a Libertarian.
My partner in MindVox, and one of my best friends since we were little kids -- Bruce Fancher -- is also a Libertarian. We basically share the same beliefs. Somewhere near the very top is the absolute conviction that a government that seeks to imprison me for the "crime" of altering my state of consciousness against its wishes, is pretty much a textbook definition of fascism.
By which I mean to say, that "War on Drugs" thing... It's really just not working out. Having been at the receiving end of it for most of my life, it's hard not to take it personally.
I am voting against Bush. Since the basic core of being a Libertarian is pragmatism, this means I will be voting for Kerry.
Bruce will be voting for Bush -- again, for the second time. He's a very smart, dysfunctional, human being, who doesn't watch Fox News and has no interest in the abortion issue (as far as I know, we haven't discussed it at length). <Shrug>
Whatever it is that you believe, and whomever you support: ranting about it will not affect change. VOTING -- and kickbacks to Diebold -- sure will!
So, GET UP OFF YOUR ASS AND VOTE.
On Oct 31, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Faith Bowling wrote:
Ron, I have never used drugs, or even smoked a cigarette for that matter. My son was addicted to Oxycontin and I'm one to find a cure, rather than a treatment. Thst's why I'm interested in Iboga. But, I'm not hearing alot about addicts overcoming they're addiction.
Faith (or Ray?): ibogaine isn't a "cure." Cure implies magic wand, something outside of you, which will somehow make everything totally different, without any effort on your part.
This doesn't exist.
Ibogaine absolutely WILL detox your son, and bring him back -- or pretty damn close -- to a pre-addiction modality. He will not be "detoxed" and still dopesick or fiending. He will be reset, his physical dependence will no longer exist. Period.
After this -- depending on what your son's other issues happen to be -- he's going to need to do SOMETHING. What exactly that something is, I can't possibly tell you without knowing your son; but if he does ibogaine, goes back to whatever life he is living now, and changes nothing. The odds are extremely high that what he will be doing in the near future is more oxy.
PatrickFrom:HSLotsof@... Subject:[Ibogaine] opoid research information
The following appeared on methadone watchdog bulletin board.
I thought genetic differences relating to human micro-opioid receptor genes
have been known for several years, this Norwegian study of 207 cancer patients
successfully identified, genetically, which patients would require increased
morphine to achieve the same dose response for pain control. It is a small step
to translate these findings to other opioids and other individual responses.
I wonder if this genetic difference of the micro-opioid receptors affects a
patients methadone maintenance dosage requirements? Maybe someday we'll see
genetic testing to diagnose potential addicts and their maintenance dosage
adjustments.
Acta Anaesthesiol Scand. 2004 Nov;48(10):1232-9.
The 118 A > G polymorphism in the human micro-opioid receptor gene may
increase morphine requirements in patients with pain caused by malignant disease.
Klepstad P, Rakvag TT, Kaasa S, Holthe M, Dale O, Borchgrevink PC, Baar C,Vikan T, Krokan HE, Skorpen F.
Institute of Circulation and Medical Imaging, Norwegian University of Science
and Technology, Trondheim, Norway.
Background: Dispositions for genes encoding opioid receptors may explain some
variability in morphine efficacy. Experimental studies show that morphine and
morphine-6-glucuronide are less effective in individuals carrying variant
alleles caused by the 118 A > G polymorphism in the micro-opioid receptor gene
(OPRM1). The purpose of the study was to investigate whether this and other
genetic polymorphisms in OPRM1 influence the efficacy of morphine in cancer pain
patients. Methods: We screened 207 cancer pain patients on oral morphine
treatment for four frequent OPRM1 gene polymorphisms. The polymorphisms were the
-172 G > T polymorphism in the 5'untranslated region of exon 1, the 118 A > G
polymorphism in exon 1, and the IVS2 + 31 G > A and IVS2 + 691 G > C
polymorphisms, both in intron 2. Ninety-nine patients with adequately controlled pain were
included in an analysis comparing morphine doses and serum concentrations of
morphine and morphine metabolites in the different genotypes for the OPRM1
polymorphisms. Results: No differences related to the -172 G > T, the IVS2 + 31 G
A and the IVS2 + 691 G > C polymorphisms were observed. Patients homozygous
for the variant G allele of the 118 A > G polymorphism (n = 4) needed more
morphine to achieve pain control, compared to heterozygous (n = 17) and
homozygous wild-type (n = 78) individuals. This difference was not explained by other
factors such as duration of morphine treatment, performance status, time since
diagnosis, time until death, or adverse symptoms. Conclusion: Patients
homozygous for the 118 G allele of the micro-opioid receptor need higher morphine
doses to achieve pain control. Thus, genetic variation at the gene encoding the
micro-opioid receptor contributes to variability in patients' responses to
morphine.
****
The following is yet another study demonstrating the interidividuality of
methadone dosage requirements. I have posted extensively on the effects of
individual cytochrome P450 variations and how it affects the metabolism of
methadone, causing huge dosage variations from patient to patient. This Italian study
calls into play how the enzymatic pathways are affected by other medications,
and how they can dramatically affect methadone blood concentrations, withdrawal
symptoms, and ultimately mood. Once again medical research demonstrates that
each patient's dose must be individualized both for amount and frequency. I
recommend printing this study and adding it to your arsenal of dosage research.
Pharmacokinetics: The study of the bodily absorption, distribution,
metabolism, and excretion of drugs
Pharmacol Res. 2004 Dec;50(6):551-9.
Methadone-metabolism, pharmacokinetics and interactions.
Ferrari A, Coccia CP, Bertolini A, Sternieri E.
Section of Toxicology and Clinical Pharmacology, University of Modena and
Reggio Emilia, Policlinico, Largo del Pozzo, 71-41100 Modena, Italy.
The pharmacokinetics of methadone varies greatly from person to person; so,
after the administration of the same dose, considerably different
concentrations are obtained in different subjects, and the pharmacological effect may be
too small in some patients, too strong and prolonged in others. Methadone is
mostly metabolised in the liver; the main step consists in the N-demethylation by
CYP3A4 to EDDP (2-ethylidene-1,5-dimethyl-3,3-diphenylpyrrolidine), an
inactive metabolite. The activity of CYP3A4 varies considerably among individuals,
and such variability is the responsible for the large differences in methadone
bioavailability. CYP2D6 and probably CYP1A2 are also involved in methadone
metabolism. During maintenance treatment with methadone, treatment with other
drugs may be necessary due to the frequent comorbidity of drug addicts:
psychotropic drugs, antibiotics, anticonvulsants and antiretroviral drugs, which can
cause pharmacokinetic interactions. In particular, antiretrovirals, which are
CYP3A4 inducers, can decrease the levels of methadone, so causing withdrawalsymptoms. Buprenorphine, too, is metabolised by CYP3A4, and may undergo the same
interactions as methadone. Since it is impossible to foresee the time-lapse
from the administration of another drug to the appearing of withdrawal symptoms,
nor how much the daily dose of methadone should be increased in order to
prevent them, patients taking combined drug treatments must be carefully
monitored. The so far known pharmacokinetic drug-drug interactions of methadone do not
have life-threatening consequences for the patients, but they usually cause a
decrease of the concentrations and of the effects of the drug, which in turn
can cause symptoms of withdrawal and increase the risk of relapse into heroinabuse.From:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
Hi everyone,
I'm feeling sorry for myself so I thought I'd write. I've really messed up.
I was a H addict for 4yrs doing a bit of evrything else too at times. I
tried to detoc lots of times. Then I was put on Subutex and was clean for
like a month (the longest I';ve ever been clean) I keep trying though. Then
my old partner in crime got chucked out onto the streets so I said he could
stay with me. But we're etrrible influences on each other-if one's being
good then the other always seems to want to be bad. Anyway recenty we got
into Snowballs (H&Crack IV) which I've done lots before but never regularly.
I love that high. I wish I could feel like that all the time! Now detoxing
and just staying on my Subbies is even harder. They don't make me feel
better anymore. I can't tell anyone cuz they'll chuck me off my script. I
had got my life back a bit and now I'm losing what little I gained cuz I'm
always sick. Todays only Day 2 (again) with just Subbies and I feel so
awful :-( I've mainly slept for the past 48hrs I can't stop shaking and
crying. I'm not being sick or needing the loo too much which is a godsend
(I do try to feel grateful for that) but I just feel so CRAP! My friend is
being good too though he keeps moaning and begging me to score (does he
think I'm made of cash? I spent over £200 on H and rock on tues and wed
easy) And my dealers won't stop ringing me. My phones on silent now cuz I
don't feel like talking to anyone. Sorry if my spellings bad but my hands
won't stop shaking. Even if I scored I wouldn't be able to get myself-my
hands are so sore and swollen from missing.
Ok That's my moaning out the way. I guess I'll just go back to bed. I just
wanna feel good. I never did Snowballs in company cuz I like to really FEEL
it. My n my friend meditate on it breathing deeply ooooh...... stop
talking. I've been clean before though n life was boring.
I'm not really expecting replies I just wanted to vent. Basically justfeeling sorry for myself. I just feel like this will never end. I'll neverfeel good again without drugs of one sort or nother.
I'll stop now. I'm gonna make a hot sweet cup of tea. I'd have a shower
but I think i'd collapse. Now I think about it I haven't eaten since
Wednesday anyway n hardly drtunk anything. That's probably why I feel so
weak! I'll try eat some soup or summat easily digestable.
Thanks for listening.HannahFrom:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
OK I'm a planker sorry everyone. I wrote a letter to the list very similar
only like a month ago-I'm really glad I kept it so I can see how silly my
behaviour is going round in circles. I want to say thanks again for those
of you who responded last time. I saved your letters and I just read them
and they're still helping me now. I'm sorry for repeating myself. Since
the last post I had got work with a local horse whisperer-he takes me with
him twice a week to this Rescue Centre where we work with all these gorgeous
babies who've never been handled and private clients. I only expected to
watch but he's actually got me n there doing it and is teaching me loads.
He's a great bloke and really passionate about it so I'm loving it. I
didn't go this week though coz of being fucked or sick! I just didn't wantyou all to think that all I do is moan!
Looks like you were all so right about my friend stayiong with me-it did
fuck things up. Now I have a problem with Rock too! I've never been sick
without rock tho so I'm hoping I'll just feel down for a while and get over
it! I do listen to everything you say but I can't kick him out cuz I'm all
he's got. I need to know he's ok. I just need to be stronger.
You are all great people and have inspired me with so much hope. Thankyou
everyone. You've cheered me up already!
I will try to be more positive. In 2 weeks I'm going on holiday to a
beautiful part of the Lake Dictrict though its with some of my fmaily. Lots
of family shit has risen up recently and I really don't know how to deal
with it. They hurt me so much and they think its just a joke. Oh and
Tuesday I'm back with the horses-I really seem to have found something I
love! And the Shaw Trust helps people with mental health and/or substance
abuse problems are paying for me to go on a weekend course (£150) aswell as
maybe paying for driving lessons!
So much good and when I'm sick i forget all about it!
So I'm sorry for filling the list with rubbish but please realie how much
you've helped-you don't have to reply.
One other thing- my friend from ages ago is taking Dan (the guy who's
staying with me) off to Wales and has invited me. Its to go camping and do
Magic Mushrooms. They say in the absence of Ibo it should help. I've done
Mushes before n had an awful trip but my friend Dan saved me. I would feel
safe with them. But do you think it'd help? Can Liberty Caps help with
detox? They think it'll help us reach...I dunno really. But what do you
all think? I'd be really interested what you think sara?
Sorry this as been so long-I'll write again when I can actually write
something that will ADD to the list!Lots of Love HannahFrom:HSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
Sorry Hannah, but it is you or your friend. Your call.
What dose of subutex are you taking?HowardFrom:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me I take 4mg when I feel I really need to. I had stabilised on 4mg back
before. Today and yesterday I took 12mg. I expect to be back down to 4mg
by the end of the week but I'll see how it goes.
I hear what you're saying about my friend. Can't we just both try harder?
I really could never leave him on th street-then he'd be straight back into
it. I have got meaner with him and told him he CANNOT keep doing it at my
flat and must have respect for my efforts. I'm just as bad as he is
though-before its been him that did well and ME who fucked things up for
HIM. Give us a couple of weeks an see. He needs to sort out a place
anyway-he will just get more depressed if he doesn't start working towards a
goal. I will be stronger. I'm sorry everyone-I know it looks simple to youbut I'd rather be a junkie for the rest of my life than be responsible for
hurting anyone else. And I really think throwing him out would really hurthim.From: BiscuitBoy714@...Hanna, how do you know you're not hurting this guy by enabling him. Codependency is a real big issue with us addicts. My ex and I took turns screwing each other up for 12 years. You know as well as I do the easier it is to live the more dope you can do. Think about it. RandyFrom: HSLotsof@...How about your friend getting on buprenorphine. As for dose, whatever works
for you...4...12...or more.HowardFrom:darkmattersfo@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me I am touched by your post. For years I struggled to get out my speed addiction but had a partner that was using and had no desire to use. I eventually moved out of our shared apartment and he eventually ended up on the street. He developed long term psychosis and we lost contact with each other for over a year.I used to get fucked up and go out all night looking for him. I remember going down to where a bunch of homeless people slept, looking at the shoes sticking out from under the card board blankets (he had distinct tennis shoes). This drove me to distraction and my use increased.
Finally, when I last found him I was in a residential treatment program. I was not willing to give that up so I moved him into a youth hostel 3 blocks from my program. I paid his bills but made him go to the food bank for food. I bought him cigarets and he was so mean to me for the longest time.I learned alot about psychosis and how too deal with it. At the time I was clean and had resources to help. AFter being in treatment for 6 months I moved out and we moved in together. Since then we have shared a small one bedroom apt (he can't work full time but he is now working and is even in treatment himself).
I can imagine how you feel. What I had to do was to find ways to make it safe for both us. I could not sleep thinking of him being on the street again, or of him all cracked out all the time.
It may be rough, but I hope you find a way that works for both of you.BTW: At times I had to get rough, have him hauled off by the police etc. It was the hardest thing I have ever done. But in the long run, he stopped pulling his pranks and started pulling his weight.From:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
Thankyou so much Mark for sharing this. I hope I can be as strong as you.
My friend/ex has also been into his speed for like the past 10yrs though he
doesnt;'t take it when hes doing H. It can be really hard loving someone,HannhFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!!
Oh my God,
I can't believe it- I have been opiate free since
Tuesday, 10pm. I had to reschedule my treatment for
Wednesday, 12pm, at which time I ingested 350ml of
Ibogaine HCL, and 175ml every hour or so thereafter,
to 1000mg, total. The music therapy aspect was SO
rewarding- it calmed me throughout the whole
treatment, and reduced the freakier parts into mere
afterthoughts.
Guys/gals, I can't believe the difference between my
two treatments. Other than lethargy, low energy, and
a few uncomfortable moments(hot/cold flashes,
piloerection, periodic insomnia, aches), the last two
days have been a breeze. I would say the Ibo
treatment reduced my symptoms by 85-90%. I have been
able to grab naps for 2-4 hours in duration, and last
night I was able to sleep for approximately 6 hours!
On the second day after ceasing my opiate intake!
Hot baths and meds really helped too- trazadone and
clonidine together seemed to really tranquilize and
sedate my body, mind and soul, especially throughout
the tougher parts.
I was able to eat a Swiss Chalet quarter chicken
dinner yesterday, and have started on a brief, short
term regiment of light antidepressants(Wellbutrin
100mg/sr) which have worked miracles with my energy
levels. Listening to music is amazing- I have been
digging Air, Talvin Singh, the Clash, and of course,
Radiohead. Return to Brixton is especially blowing mymind!
Howard, thanks for bringing this miracle to the
masses; Patrick, thanks for making this discussion
list possible; And to everyong else: thanks for the
support, and for just being YOU.
love JulieFrom: JasenHappy@...Hey Randy,
Yes,to Sara's,booked flight and paid for.
I am getting rid of the Methadone addiction.
Tell me Randy,after the 10th day,would you say you felt normal,no withdrawals.
I mean if someone that knew withdrawals when they saw them,saw you
after 10 days,could they see any sign of withdrawals?
I am very excited about this,but I tell you what, F..k I'm scared,anxious.
You,Sean,Julie and the others have helped with your experiences and
I thank you all,I'm still scared though. :)
Another good thing is that I will be across the other side of the world.
I have not given my clinic enough notice,this worries me a little,however I am fortunate to have a good counselor and understanding doctors,I think it will be fine.Either way I have to go.
Do you think after 10 days(after the treatment)that I will be in the
mood to backpack around Europe?
I am thinking since I will only be less than an hours flight from
Europe,I might as well check it out.Smiles Jasen.From:sara119@... Subject:RE: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
Dear Hannah,
Please call me at 0031-346-241770
So we can talk, anytime day time.
We are doing an Aya ceremony tonight here. which can be helpful as
aftercare. we sing all kind of songs and each person can sing his/her own
song, each person is welcome with his/her instrument.(no more then 12
people) We have an agreement Of discipline.
To let go of ...and to open up for the new... to feel death and rebirth.
it is used in Brazil by some medicine people to treat addiction to cocaine.
The insight and the wellness you can get also with liberty cups, only if you
know the dosage and if you dare to take a big amount, in a ceremony,a
discipline setting, you respect your guide and listen to what He/she ask you
to do during the session. Then not much can go wrong.
Be well,
saraFrom: BiscuitBoy714@...Jasen, Will you be by yourself? 10 days later I would think that if your will is good you could do it. I'd take someone along if you can though. You are in exellent hands and by the time you leave Sara's I'd say you could do just about what you want to. I was a complete wuss about the residuals so don't go by what I was saying at the time. But you will have a few. FEW. Just a little. Keep your head up, stay busy and it won't be bad at all. I wish you well and tell Sara to post when she doses you and I not only will burn a candle I'll burn a big fat one in your honor. Happy trails (which are unGodly wait to you see them) and have a safe journey. RandyFrom:carlambarnes@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
Hi Hannah, I so understand what your going through
right now. When I was on heroin and then even
methadone I don't know if it was me and I'm sure it
was because of the men I am always attracted to but
whenever I made a effort to get back on track and stop
screwing everything up it was always going back
because of the man I was with and I always felt the
same way you're feeling. It wasn't the same man over
the years but it might as well have been. I know I'm
saying something that I couldn't do for soooo long but
try to think about you first if he's really not trying
or always the one who drags you back down.
I've been clean after doing ibogaine for nearly 2
years right now and have different problems I never
seem to find any man I like who doesn't want to turn
me into something else and I end up trying to be
someone I'm not for them and months later I go how did
this happen to me, I don't want to have to pretend to
be some other person why do I want this. I don't think
I've ever found any man who isn't that way so I know a
lot of it is me and wanting to please someone and then
I become resentful and tired of it.
A big part is that I am really attracted to the broken
apart weirdos ;-) nice guys are very boring but thebroken apart weirdos are never going to be anything
else either so maybe I should try bi, I don't know!
That last part was a joke but it hasn't gotten any
less frustrating since I cleaned up if that helps any.
I'm sure it doesn't ;-)Carla BFrom:hannah.clay@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
I share mine with him. As I didn't take it for a while I was left with a
load. I don't leave myself short though.
Thanks for everyone's responses. I don't know what was the matter with me
last night-I just get overwhelmingly depressed sometimes. Todays Day 3 so
far so good. I'm sorry to have dumped all this rubbish on the list. I
really do take on board all that evryone says and I'll let you know what
happens (and Bill-I'll watch my back). He's going away next week for a week
and has agreed to only spend 1 week out of every two at my flat. Problem
is, the guy who he's staying with the other week is a rock/H addict though I
know he's trying really hard to quit. I hope he stays clean. He gets bored
being clean though and I see where he's coming from.
You're all right. I must not let him hinder my own progress-I must be more
selfish. Oh and Randy-I was given a book on codependency by a counsellor Iused to see, pity I never read it! I will look into it.
Love you all loads and respect you all tonnes. I just hope you don't all
think less of me,HannahFrom:vector620022002@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] New Orleans Session is Free!
I think there's a ibogaine panel which lasts for 3 hours.
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/News/HRC2004.html
The conference lasts 4 days it looks like. Its harm reduction not only
ibogaine.
http://www.harmreduction.org/conf2004/index.html
Its a drug conference :).:vector:.From:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol' me
I have seen many addicts in recovery relapse after doing hausca. It seems to trigger cocaine cravings. It should not be done for at least 90 days after Iboas it can interfere with depo- Nor Ibo.
Just my anecdotal findings.It has no effect in blocking withdrwal at all.From:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: IBO and Benzos
IBO absolutely does not work for Benzo's. The Benzo GABA system is different then other drugs and IBO doesn't seem to get the GABA receptors. There is always a risk of seizures coming off Benzo's acutely and benzo people seem to be more anxious and very dysphoric after IBO. I have seen this happen a lot.
I suggest doing a slow benzo detox. Be off Benzo's at least 10 days prior to IBO. Even if the opiates have to be increase to get off the Benzo's, then so be it.
There are many new psychiatric meds that work well for benzo -- post acute withdrawal syndrome (which can last for months and make you think you are going crazy). I.E.; Zyprexa, Seroquel and others. These however cannot be taken before IBO but can be started 24-48 hours after IBO experience is over. They really help, but the dosage and timing of intake of these meds is crucial.
Typical neuroleptics that will stop a bad LSD trip make IBO patients who are dysphoric after treatment WORSE. If someone id flipping out after IBO, ask them to get honest about the Benzo's. A small dose of valium will chill them out (at least temporarily) till a better plan can be worked out.
Plane old benedryl seems to allow these people to get at least some sleep and doesn't interact adversely w/ IBO.
Hope everyone suceeds on their journey for freedom and truth.
From:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna Suboxone and alike are absolutely very addictive. 0.3 of Bup injected is equal to 8 mgs of morphine. I have seen many get addicted to Bup and they are not happy. As it is a mixed agonist / antagonist, it is on and off the receptor so you are okay and then not and then okay and then not again. I feel it is a poor maintenance drug and is addicting.
Be off of Bup/ Subox for at least 14 days prior to IBO. It has weird metabolites that stick around that long and can effect how IBO and noribo bind to the opiate receptors.
Switch over to short acting opiates 2 weeks prior to Ibo if you are on Bup.From: Schmoolyboy@...
Zoloft good after Ibo . start 48 hours after Ibo ends . Takes 2 weeks for anti depressant effect to kick in and 4 weeks for full anti anxiety effect. It is not a majic bullet but helps a little, you will need low dose zyprexa or seroquel to work instantly while waiting for zoloft to kick in. Be off zoloft for 10 days before taking ibo. Its works for some and not for others. SSRI's , like zoloft can tweak some people like those with ADHD.
good luck.
PS,
I like depakote. It slows the racing mind down and works quickly. Liver needs to be healthy for this RX and blood test follow ups are needed.It is a "mood stabilizer and good for bi-polar types.From:ms_iboga@... Subject:[Ibogaine] Schmoolyboy, re:antidepressants
Dear Schmoolyboy,
Thanks for the info. In fact, you are completely
right. I think the Wellbutrin is fucking with my
residual withdrawal, accentuating the symptoms, and
not helping with the anxiety and depression.
Is Zoloft easy to get a script for? I'll check with
my doc tomorrow.
Thanks for the super advice....Julie :)From:Schmoolyboy@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Schmoolyboy, re:antidepressants
Zoloft is easy to get . Start at 25 mgs every Am for 1 week . Then on day #8 go to 50 mgs. Most people need 75-100mgs per day. Increases are made every 5 -7 days till stable.
Also ask for 2.5 mgs. Zyprexa. Take anywhere from 2.5 -7.5 mgs i hour prior to sleep or for a panic attack when needed. Start at the lowest dose as it can make you very lethargic. Check w/ your doc if this med is okay for you to take. You can use it as needed and it is not addictive. At high dosages it it a antipsychotic but don't let this sway you. It will get you throufg the post acute benzo hell.
hang in there. it passes with time and you will feel well again.From:HSLotsof@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!! Dear Julie,
Some questions if I may?
1) At how many hours from your start point of taking ibogaine would you say
it was fully effective?
2) How would you describe "fully effective?"
3) Did you visualize?
4) If so what did you see?
5) How are you feeling today?
6) Who determined which medications you would take? (names not required -
only status, doctor, provider, pharmacist, prior prescriptions)
ThanksHowardFrom:ms_iboga@... Subject:Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!! Hi Howard,
1) At how many hours from your start point of taking ibogaine would you say
it was fully effective? Around the 3 hour I felt completely anesthetized- no withdrawal, just a bit of yawning.
2) How would you describe "fully effective?" I have never been able to get off opiates this easily. Even though I feel a bit weak and sleepless, I am 100 times better than I would be cold-turkeying. I have a bit of residual withdrawal, but only 10-15% of what I would have had otherwise.
3) Did you visualize?Yes. It came in peaks and valleys, and would usually begin about 30 minutes after my ingestions, and last for 2-3 hours.
4) If so what did you see? This time was a bit darker than last. I still saw strange faces, but also some gruesome scenes- I saw a guy getting decapitated. As his head was severed, his soul 'flew' out of his neck and up to the sky. I also saw a few monsters, and relived/reflected on a few melancholy events from my life.
5) How are you feeling today? Tired, a bit achey, and grumpy. I just took a trazodone, and seem to be feeling a bit better. The insomnia is getting to me, though.
6) Who determined which medications you would take? My doctor gave me trazodone, clonidine, arthrotec, loperamide and gravol. I decided to get a script for Wellbutrin, as it has helped before. However, it seems to perpetuate and inflame the symptoms, so I have discontinued it.
Howard, feel free to use any part of my story for your website. And muchas gracias for bringing this miracle to the modern world.
Regards, JulieFrom:Jeffgd1@... Subject:[Ibogaine] up coming treatment ....some issues Hello List...
Well, here I am just a few days before I am supposed to be treated...mmm wish I had a better word....supposed to be dosed? supposed to ... be given freedom from all these years of opiated living.....i suppose one of those or something else will have to do.
So I have been pretty quiet, kind of calm, as I ponder this upcoming experience. I am a combination of scared, worried, excited, nervous, confident, and so much more.
I am not sure exactly when I am dosing but it is in this upcoming week. I will let the list know as we have a regular "candle tradition" started here don't you think!
Now some background so you all know who this is. I am 45 as of yesterday. I am married to an amazing woman (with no experience whatso ever in opiate use, abuse, or kicking, as well as any other powders) I lost my first wife to a heroin overdose back in 1993 we had a 7 year old son (who now 18 just started college!) and I raised him alone after my wife's death. The experience of losing my woman, revealing our completely unknown drug use to her family as well as my own as she lay dying, well surreal doesn't come close but is the only word I find to do justice to my feelings during that time.I met my present wife while on tour seeing a band we both love back in 1999 marrying her in a spiritual ceremony with our guru Mata Amritandamayi in 2000 and again with a hippie rabbi to "legalize it" in 2001 She like to say she loves me so much she married me twice! That's my Rachel I love her!!
I never thought I would be done with my methadone even when I had to tell Rachel about my history of drug use and my methadone medication.(about a week after our love at first site) But it was what she calls "The Bomb" that is the bomb I dropped in telling her about this storied past I own. A past she has a very hard time relating to at times it being a foreign world to her and her experience .(lucky girl)
I heard about Ibogaine many many years ago and ALWAYS knew it would be the way I would finally put this aspect of my life behind....I also knew that it would be a long time before I was ready to do that and that Ibogaine and I would find each other when the time was right.....all good things in all good time....
Now that we have found each other I am ready and Rachel is very nervous. as am I albeit in different ways and for different reasons.
I don't think the list needs to hear about the specifics but the upcoming treatment has produced a definite amount of stress between us. She is a person who wants to have all things in order and set and I am a person who knows things will work out the way they are supposed to two very different outlooks and when applied to Ibogaine well it has been a hard few weeks. any one else had spousal or relatives problems leading up to and even post ibo??
Now back to a little background...After losing my wife I continued to use and was in a big habit very quickly. For good or ill money at that time was no object and I was doing a lot of dope and coke as well sometimes. Finally about two years after the death of Sue I went on a methadone program (something I swore i would never do again after two failed detoxes in the past) but I went in with an attitude of using Methadone as "my insulin" I was going to be on it forever I thought I went in thinking my brain was different than most peoples and that I needed this medicine like diabetics need their medicine. and it worked I got away from the shooting of dope and coke and got away from the everyday copping and doing things that I shouldn't have been doing as far as risk taking involved with that lifestyle. I loved my methadone and was a model patient .. I ended up on a 1 time a week pick up schedule and being that my social life was a non issue as i was concentrating on raising my now 9 year old so it didn't really interfere with anything.
As my boy got older and as time healed wounds of mine I began to socialize a bit and found a musical scene that I loved and through that a new group of amazing folks to hang with ... and travel with now my 1 time a week schedule didn't seem quite so convenient but when i needed to my counselor set me up with visits I have been to the Denver clinic, the Berkley clinic, the santa Rosa clinic, the Nashville clinic, and others in my travels i started to think maybe it would be easier if i didn't have to use this medicine ....hmmmmThen I started feeling the emotional dullness ....I realized I never ever ever remember my dreams (I assume i have some) and I used to dream so powerfully and loved it. i feel that the methadone is an emotional crippler. I am not feeling my life. I am not expressing my life as i should. I also have a huge energy problem I cant seem to find the motivation to do the things I need to do and even the things I want to do. I cant seem to get the motivation to do things that would make my life easier i self sabotage all the time not paying bills when the money is there putting off doing paperwork until it is a whole new bigger mess. Pay a ticket before a penalty is added HA! never! not this fucked up methadone freak.
I attribute a lot of this ...what I call an Inertia problem as in an object (me) at rest stays at rest until acted upon by another) to my methadone I mean how can being in an opiated state for 9 years NOT screw with your motivation and energy levels????So somehow I stumble onto this list and Howard and Patrick and watch as it goes from a list of a few people who have done Ibo and a whole lot who are thinking and reading about it to a list of people who are DOING Ibo and/or scheduling a treatment...it has been a wondrous thing to watch.
We have so many truly knowledgeable folks on this list so i figured I would put out a few questions I have to the list...
Aftercare- such an important part of Ibogaine therapy this we know. I feel that as a person who hasn't been in an "active" heroin using state (not going to cop everyday et al) that being I live in a stable environment and wouldn't even know where to get a bog of dope if i wanted to-that i am not in the kind of 'danger ' that someone whop is living in a dope hood would be or someone who has just a week or so before (dosing with ibogaine) was copping dope everyday would be. BUT I still know that being opiate free for the first time in so many years can still be a dangerous place for me. So i want ti have in place a consoler preferably a psychiatrist (that is who my health benefits will cover) for my post Ibo help. I have seen many names thrown out but one more time if any or all of you can one more time send out the names of those here in the NYC area for aftercare that would be understanding of the unique space that those post Ibogaine are in.
Also an MD I think that I may find that these now 45 year old bones have been happily hiding behind the methadone. I have very bad knees and work in construction for over 20 years now and any one in this business knows that 20 years on the job takes a toll on you so...I may need to address some physical issues as well. Again I want to go to a Dr. that I can be 100% honest with about Ibogaine and any other doper related issues that may arise.
I tend to keep secrets like so manyof us addicts and haven't been to a DR psych or dentist that I could be hones within many many years. So any names out there among you in the know will be most appreciated.
Nutrition and vitamin natropathic ....Another avenue to explore and another request for a name or two of those in the ibogaine loop so to speak.
I will let you all know when I am going to be dosing so you will be hearing from me again before that time. I thankyou all for being here
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Jeff GFrom: sara119@...Ibogaine may not work for benzo's, I never had anyone getting a seizure coming off benzo's,
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