Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:09:14 -0400
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #52: Bush Sneak-Attack on Iran Imminent?; Tallahassee,
Tupelo Make 83 Cities on the Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!

Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!

So far we have confirmed 83 cities:

Albany

Albuquerque

Athens

Asheville

Auckland

Bergen

Berlin

Boone

Boulder

Buenos Aires

Burlington

Capetown

Chicago

Chico

Christchurch

Cincinnati

Colorado Springs

Columbia

Darwin

Des Moines

Detroit

Dover

Dublin

Dunedin

East Lansing

Eugene

Fayetteville

Frankfurt

Ft. Smith

Hartford

Hachita

Houston

Kansas City

Kristiansand

Lethbridge

Lexington

London

Los Angeles

Mexico City

Missoula

Montreal

Moscow

Nashville

Newark

New Paltz

New York

Nimbin

Ogden

Oslo

Paris

Peoria

Philadelphia

Phoenix

Portland

Potsdam

Prague

Raleigh

Rapid City

Reno

Richmond

Roanoke

Rosario

Rostock

San Francisco

Sarasota

Savannah

Spokane

Stavanger

St. Louis

Stockholm

Tallahassee

Tampa

Thunder Bay

Toronto

Traverse City

Tromsoe

Trondheim

Tucson

Tupelo

Upper Lake

Vancouver

Washington, D.C.

Wilmington

There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current

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*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2005:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

Nol van Schaik freed from prison by Dana Larsen (13 Oct, 2004)

Dutch pot activist released after four months in Spanish and French jails.

Dutch pot promoter Nol van Schaik has been released from a French prison after a total of 79 days behind bars.

Schaik, owner of Willie Wortel's Coffeeshop and the International Hemp Museum in Haarlem, had been picked up at the Madrid airport on May 17, 2004. Schaik had 14-year old charge for smuggling 400 kilos of hash through France (CC#51, Dutch potshop guru imprisoned), and was caught in the increased national security and scrutiny surrounding the marriage of Spain's Crown Prince.

Spain held Schaik for three weeks, then extradited him to France on July 6, to face his five-year sentence. continued...

http://www.cannabisculture.com/a.../4021.html

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From: ambrosias_bite@...

To whom it may concern:
 

My name is Susan Conklin and I was interested in throwing a Cannabis Rally/March in Tallahassee, Florida my home town.  I was wondering what you could suggest would be the proper way of organizing a rally/march here in Tallahassee?

Sincerely,
Susan Conklin

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New Listing By Phone--

Tupelo: Anita T. Mayfield 662-963-0775. nita420@...  [116 Burgess Dr., Nettleton, MS 38858].

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From: thehopefulcanadian@...

Dear Dana,
thank you for this email, I always enjoy reading about others in our movement towards liberty, and the personal stories that inspire the greater flow.
I noticed at the end that my contact information is incomplete.
It should read:

Sarah & Dustin Schmidt
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada

403-331-2369

thehopefulcanadian@...

Thank you.
Peace and Love, Sarah

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE              
October 25, 2004                      

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Sam H. Clauder II, 951-653-3500
Mike Kaspar, 949-338-0646

Prop 66 -- The Keenan Story

Sam Clauder, the Political Director of the "Yes On 66" Committee and the original author and proponent of the initiative to amend California's three-strikes law, today revealed previously unknown facts about the criminal case that resulted in funding the initiative and causing two bereaved mothers to campaign against the proposition.

"If Sherry Souza and Cece Stone had been the kind of mothers they want us to think they were, their children would not have been riding in Richard Keenan's car that night, and Richard would not have even been driving down that road," said Clauder.

Court documents attest to the fact that neither Souza nor Stone gave their children the attention they needed. Souza's son ran away from home after being abused by his stepfather, and Stone kicked her daughter out of the house on numerous occasions.

"Richard Keenan picked those kids up off the street, gave them a place to live, got them jobs, and was driving them to and from work when the accident happened.  Then, after they died, Richard pled guilty to two counts of manslaughter to spare Souza and Stone the agony of a trial."

Souza and Stone sued Jerry Keenan's insurance company and accepted a wrongful death settlement for an undisclosed sum in the high six-figures.

Clauder produced a sworn affidavit to the court, dated April 3, 2001, filed by Ronald & Paula Woodrum of Placerville, the parents of teenager Chris Woodrum, who, as a passenger in Keenan's car, suffered a mildly bruised ankle.  The affidavit pled for the court to not press charges against Keenan for Woodrum's bruised ankle, but the DA ignored it and convicted him of a felony strike.

The Woodrum affidavit also revealed deficiencies of Souza and Stone as parents, as well as the charity and goodwill of Richard Keenan in caring for Souza and Stone's children.

"Richard Keenan is a 'poster-boy' for the injustice perpetuated by the current three-strikes law," Clauder claimed.   "For a mere side-trip on a country road, that turned into a tragic teenage auto accident, Keenan pled guilty to two counts of vehicular manslaughter, neither of which counted as a strike."

Richard Keenan is the son of Jerry and Cynthia Keenan, the Sacramento insurance brokers who bankrolled Prop 66 with more than a million dollars to qualify for the ballot.  Like Clauder, Joe Klaas, and many other Californians, the Keenan's supported the original three-strikes law in 1994 because they believed it would apply only to violent crimes.

"When their son received a strike for one passengers bruised ankle, and no strikes for the deaths of two other passengers, the Keenan's were rudely introduced to the tragic injustices that the current three-strikes law has perpetrated on more than 26,000 non-violent offenders now serving strike-enhanced sentences in California prisons," Clauder stated, "most of whom should qualify for re-sentencing after Prop 66 passes.

"Keenan's strike is for Woodrum's  bruised ankle, even though he did not want charges to be pressed against Keenan, and for this Keenan must serve 85% of his sentence before qualifying for parole."

Convictions that do not count as a strike require 50% of time served before qualifying for parole.  "It is precisely this kind of miscarriage of justice that requires the three strikes law be amended to apply only to violent crimes," Clauder said.

"Now you have the mothers of these kids who died, Sherry Souza and Cece Stone, traveling around the state accusing Jerry Keenan of buying a law to get his son out of prison early.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

"What more do they want?  Fame?  Fortune?  The continual incarceration of 26,000 non- violent offenders under the nation's most unfair and unjust three-strikes law?  Or do they just want more money from Jerry Keenan to shut them up?"

"I wrote Prop 66 three years before the Keenan's originally got involved, and this proposition has never been for sale.  In fact, neither Joe Klaas, nor I, have ever been paid for what we have done on this initiative during the past five years."

"Souza and Stone have been paid to do this by the California Correctional Peace Officers Association (CCPOA), the prison guards union which stands to lose 5,000 jobs, one-sixth of their membership, if Prop 66 passes.  The CCPOA is the most corrupt bureaucracy in the state."

Numerous criminal complaints and lawsuits have been filed this year against prison guards for murder, mayhem, torture, dealing alcohol and drugs to prisoners, and beating prisoners up on behalf of street gangs outside of prison.

"Jerry & Cynthia Keenan could have done a lot of other things with their money if they only intended to benefit their son. Instead, they decided to give Californians another chance to vote on the three-strikes issue," stated Clauder.  "Even those who oppose Prop 66 should be thankful to the Keenan's for giving them the opportunity to vote against it."

Clauder also provided a list of facts about the case compiled by Keenan's criminal defense attorney, Steven Sanders, of Sacramento.  It demonstrates that Keenan was not driving recklessly, drunk, or under the influence of marijuana, and that he had not been notified by the DMV at the time of the accident that his license had been suspended.

By all accounts now, Richard Keenan is a model prisoner.  He serves his sentence in a minimum-security prison near Sacramento where the Warden and prison guards say he really doesn't belong in prison.

Following is a copy of the Woodrum affidavit, and the facts of the case provided by Steven Sanders.  For more information please contact Sam Clauder at 951-653-3500, Mike Kaspar at 949-338-0646, Steven Sanders at 916-376-8738, or Paula and Ron Woodrum at 530-626-6380.

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Affidavit to Judge Ure regarding the sentencing of Richard Keenan,
filed by Ronald and Paula Woodrum, parents of Chris Woodrum, on April 3, 2001

To Whom It May Concern:

We, the parents of Christopher Neil Woodrum, wish to be considered the following information, which we know to be true, in the case of Richard Keenan.

We believe the Court may not have been made aware of the fact that  Richard Keenan was asked, according to witnesses, to take Marcia and Thad home that night because they had no where to go and no money.  Richard could never refuse anyone who needed help and he had provided shelter for these two kids before.  If it wasn't for his kindness and the unfortunate accident he would not be in this position today.

Marsha and Thad had both been kicked out of their homes.  How sad for the parents of these kids that they had abandoned them and never had closure before this accident occurred.  Sherry, Thad's mother, called our home after the accident to talk to Chris to thank him for trying to help Thad at the scene of the accident.  In Court, at the sentencing, I was appalled that Sherry stood up and said the Medics said no one would have helped Thad with his apparent injuries.  Chris told us that when he was unable to make any progress helping Thad, that Richard took over.

Marsha was kicked out of the house on a number of occasions.  She was raised quite a bit of the time by her Grandparents.  To quote a colleague of CC Stone's, Marsha's Mother, when I told her about the sentencing trial, said "I listened to the way she treated  that girl and it wasn't good."  She went on to say, "CC was never home... I know, I was out with her many times."  And, she concluded with "the only thing she is suffering from is 150 tons of guilt, and you can take that to the bank."

We feel the great loss of these parents and we are not denying them compensation.  However, we feel Richard's sentence is far too severe, when he was put into a circumstance where he was asked to help and could have denied helping them but it was not in Richard's nature to deny anyone help.

Therefore, we request again, that Chris Woodrum's injuries are not considered in the sentencing aspects of this case.  In light of what we know and the overall "flamboyance" of the parents at the sentencing trial, in denial of their part in this tragedy, we hope that you will find, considering the quality of the young man before your Court, to reconsider his placement and his sentence as is possible.

Respectfully submitted,

Ronald James Woodrum
Paula Jacqueline Woodrum
Placerville, California
530-626-6380
==========================
Facts of the Richard Keenan Case
by Attorney Steven Sanders, Sacramento, 916-376-8738

Prop 66 will only affect Keenan's sentence if six events all come to pass:  (1) a writ of habeas corpus is filed, (2) a Judge rules that Keenan's conviction is no longer a strike, (3) Keenan has been working in a good-time-credit qualifying job throughout his sentence and (4) he will continue working in the job until his sentence is served, (5) Keenan proves his behavior qualifies for good-time-credits and (6) he maintains 'good' behavior throughout his sentence.

Keenan rarely drank alcohol -- Sworn statement of Aaron Montalbano, page 32.

Keenan's blood alcohol level was estimated by the prosecutor's expert witness to be within the range of not being legally drunk at the time of the crash -- Testimony of Jim Beede, Preliminary Hearing Transcript pages 153-154.

The prosecutor's expert witness would not say that Keenan was under a combined effect of alcohol and marijuana at the time of the accident -- Testimony of Robert Perkins, Preliminary Hearing Transcript, page 11.

Keenan did not leave the freeway for any reason other than his friend suggested they do so  -- Testimony of Chris Woodrum, Preliminary Hearing Transcript, pages 133 and 139.

Keenan and his friends routinely took the rural road instead of the freeway, and this only added about "two minutes" to their trip -- Sworn statement of Aaron Montalbano, pages 22-23.

Keenan's speed was between 55mph and 75mph at the time of the crash -- Prosecutor Brian Myers, Change of Plea Transcript, page 4.

Neither surviving victim said that Keenan was driving recklessly, erratically, or irresponsibly  -- Testimony of Chris Woodrum, Preliminary Hearing Transcript, pages 139-142; Sworn statement of Aaron Montalbano, pages 27-31.

Chris Woodrum received only minor injuries (abrasion and bruise on his ankle/leg) although the prosecutor claimed he was "seriously injured" -- Declaration of Christopher Woodrum, page 2.

Woodrum asked the court to not punish Keenan in any way for his injuries -- Sentencing Transcript, pages 5-6; Probation Report, pages 5 and 9.

At the time of the accident, Keenan had no idea his driver's license had been suspended because he had not received the suspension notice from the DMV -- Testimony of CHP Officer Jeff Sortomme, Preliminary Hearing Transcript, pages 46-47.

At the Preliminary Hearing the Magistrate made a factual finding that the evidence did not support a murder charge and accused the prosecutor of "grandstanding" for seeking one -- Magistrate John V. Stroud, Preliminary Hearing Transcript, pages 227-229.

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*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

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http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

CONNECTED? "OCTOBER SURPRISE" ATTACK IMMINENT

Posted By: Never_Surrender <Send E-Mail>
Date: Sunday, 24 October 2004, 1:38 a.m.

In Response To: MASSIVE SELL OFF OF US DOLLAR: PRELUDE TO AN ATTACK??
(Mailbag)

HOPEFULLY THIS IS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA... IF NOT THIS IS REAL BAD NEWS....

October 20, 2004

Lebanonwire

A Bush pre-election strike on Iran 'imminent'
White House insider report "October Surprise" imminent
By Wayne Madsen

According to White House and Washington Beltway insiders, the Bush
administration, worried that it could lose the presidential election to
Senator John F. Kerry, has initiated plans to launch a military strike on
Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian
Gulf, and key nuclear targets throughout the country, including the main
underground research site at Natanz in central Iran and another in Isfahan.
Targets of the planned U.S. attack reportedly include mosques in Tehran,
Qom, and Isfahan known by the U.S. to headquarter Iran's top mullahs.

The Iran attack plan was reportedly drawn up after internal polling
indicated that if the Bush administration launched a so-called
anti-terrorist attack on Iran some two weeks before the election, Bush would
be assured of a landslide win against Kerry. Reports of a pre-emptive strike
on Iran come amid concerns by a number of political observers that the Bush
administration would concoct an "October Surprise" to influence the outcome
of the presidential election.

(SNIP)

The White House leak about the planned attack on Iran was hastened by
concerns that Russian technicians present at Bushehr could be killed in an
attack, thus resulting in a wider nuclear confrontation between Washington
and Moscow. International Atomic Energy Agency representatives are also
present at the Bushehr facility. In addition, an immediate Iranian Shahab
ballistic missile attack against Israel would also further destabilize the
Middle East. The White House leaks about the pre-emptive strike may have
been prompted by warnings from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency
that an attack on Iran will escalate out of control. Intelligence circles
report that both intelligence agencies are in open revolt against the Bush
White House.

White House sources also claimed they are "terrified" that Bush wants to
start a dangerous war with Iran prior to the election and fear that such a
move will trigger dire consequences for the entire world.

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=25968

Supreme Court Clerks Spill Bush v. Gore Details

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102004I.shtml

Bush Policies Collide in Iraq, Afghanistan
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102304X.shtml

Voter Registration Scandal Spreads to Pa.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102104V.shtml

GOP Faces 'Civil War' over Bush's Faith-Based Rule
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml

Registrations Changed to Republican Without Consent
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102404Y.shtml

Kerry Demands Answers on Missing Iraq Explosives
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102604Y.shtml

The American Conservative | Kerry's the One

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102304W.shtml

From: donnaclee@...

This is a good  essay and I Thought you might find this interesting - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7083.htm

From: rscherer@...

Hee hee!  Found this while Googling for something else:
http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=2464945
Two men arrested for throwing pies at conservative columnist Ann Coulter
TUCSON, Ariz. It appears they didn't like what conservative columnist Ann Coulter had to say.
Two men ran on stage and threw custard pies at Coulter as she was giving a speech at the University of Arizona last night. Coulter was hit in the shoulder. The men were arrested by university police.In her speech, Coulter trashed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, liberals and Democrats, while praising conservative students who attended her speech.Coulter writes a column for Universal Press Syndicate.Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Join the Kerry Marijuana Decrim Thread:

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=61002&st=435

dougkeenan

 Oct 22 2004, 12:30 PM

Newsbrief:

Kerry Says Feds Should Butt Out of Oregon Laws
10/22/04

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry told a Portland TV station Thursday that the federal government should not interfere with Oregon's assisted suicide and medical marijuana laws. Bush administration Attorney General John Ashcroft has challenged the state's assisted suicide law, while officials from the Office of National Drug Control Policy have been in the state recently campaigning against the medical marijuana initiative on the November ballot.

"Individual states have the right to make a decision until the federal government has made another one, and we don't have the information to make that, period," Kerry told Northwest NewsChannel 8.

While Kerry endorsed the principle that Oregonians should be able to make up their own minds on issues like medical marijuana and assisted suicide, he did not specifically endorse the Oregon Medical Marijuana Initiative II (http://www.yeson33.org), which would deepen the state's existing medical marijuana program by increasing allowable quantities and setting up a system of dispensaries.

Oregon is one of handful of remaining battleground states in the presidential election. Of six polls of Oregon voters conducted in the last two weeks, Kerry led in five, with margins ranging from 1% to 8%.

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From: ms_iboga@...

List,

My apologies if this has been brought up already, but
I recently came across an article written by the
parent of an opiate addicted woman.  This article
discusses using GHB to combat dope-sickness, and has
nothing but high praise for the substance.

Has anyone here used GHB when detoxing?  I would love
to hear your report...

Here's the article:

Using GHB to Mitigate Opiate Withdrawal
  What's Related >>

by Bilbo

We have a 27 year old daughter whom we love dearly.
She has been away from home for about eight years, and
recently it became apparent that she had become
addicted to heroin. This was the result of a few years
of smoking and of nasal insufflation. When we as a
family confronted her and asked her permission to help

her through whatever process was necessary to the
ending of this addiction. She collapsed emotionally
and said, "Yes, please do."

The reader will have to forgive me if I write this in
less than an abstract and detached manner, as I am
writing about our flesh and blood, for whom we would
walk through fire, and whose life style had at times
wounded us beyond that which we would have thought
ourselves able to recover from. So great is love
sometimes that it leaves us confused and yet willing
to face undreamed depths of risk and pain. Thus we
began the process of restoration of our family.

She had seen enough of the government and regulatory
control and "strung-outness" that goes with methadone
treatment, and wanted no part of that, (for which we
were most grateful). Although she had a strong dread
of the "great sickness" which surely was heading her
way, she was bravely willing to "hole up" in our spare
bedroom and endure whatever might be her lot. She had
been sick before and loathed the prospect; yet loathed
even more the continued slavery and premature death
that would most likely be her portion otherwise.

I had read several mentions of the use of various
substances useful in mitigating the effects of opiate
withdrawal on newsgroups on the interned; among them
LSD, ibogaine, and GHB. Because of several social and
spiritual and family dynamics, and because of the
availability of GHB, it seemed the likeliest of the
possibilities.

I posted an inquiry to a individual I had read on one
of the well known news groups who had mentioned GHB as
an option to ibogaine. I asked for any references he
might know of that mentioned any clinical protocols
for the administration of GHB in opiate withdrawal.
(While I acknowledge that the mechanisms of action for
these two compounds could not be more disparate, GHB
seemed the only likely candidate). In a couple of days
this person replied with the abstract of a study from
some Italian medical researchers which had used GHB as
the agent for mitigation of symptoms of withdrawal.

I am currently unable to locate the specific research,
which was originally published in an international
journal of neuropsychiatry. However, the portion
containing the meat of the issue I was interested in
remains clear. The cohort of volunteers numbered, I
believe, in the several of dozens. Those who received
the GHB, rated their experience of withdrawal as
greatly modified by the application of periodic doses
of GHB during the course of the several days of
withdrawal. The need for any additional medication for
sleep, for nausea, and several of the other acute
symptoms was greatly reduced or totally eliminated in
the majority of persons undergoing treatment.

The protocol for the administration of GHB during the
initial and acute phase of opiate withdrawal is as
follows: 0.025 grams of GHB per kilogram of body
weight given orally every 3 to 4 hours for the first
three or four days, and then the same amount every 4
to 6 hours over the next 6 to 10 days. I, for
instance, weigh about 210 #, or 95.5 kilograms. The
desired dosage for me, therefore, would be just under
2.4 grams of GHB every dose period. A person would
take his or her weight in pounds, divide that by 2.2
to get the weight in kilograms, and then multiply that

product by .025 to obtain the desired dosage in grams.

A person would want to take the normal "sleeping dose"
of GHB prior to bed time, and follow this with another
full sleeping dose in middle of the night if awakening
occurs. That amount for most people amounts to about
0.1 grams per kilogram. During this dosing schedule it
is best if someone else is on hand to assist with
getting to and from the bathroom if needed in case of
difficulty in walking.

The object is not to render the individual
unconscious, but rather to allow a modicum of activity
and rest, while interrupting the acute symptoms of the
withdrawal. In as much as these individuals have a
demonstrated syndrome of dependence, it would be wise
for the helpers to pre measure the day's dosages ahead
of time and possibly label them or assign them to

specific times for administration, thus eliminating
the tendency toward seeking oblivion on the part of
the patient.

My dear daughter specifically took me aside several
days after her acute withdrawal phase was over, and
told me that "in case I didn't realize it," she wanted
me to know in no uncertain terms, that GHB was nothing
short of a miracle for her. She initially wanted to
have me make it available to several of her friends
who had tried multiple times to "kick" unsuccessfully.
As much as I would like to be a help to others, I
decided that it would not be practical or prudent for
me to become known as a supplier of this remarkable
compound to a circle beyond my family and friends,
however noble the purpose.

So at this time my only knowledge of the efficacy of
GHB in the relief of acute symptoms of opiate
withdrawal is by way of a two or three year old
medical study, and of much more significance to me, my
dear daughter's emergence from the dark and scary
world of addiction to heroin.

It seems that many, who would be very glad to leave
that slave master behind, are unable to do so out of
fear of the physical and psychological punishment
meted out to those who dare to rise up in pursuit of
freedom. GHB offers a safe, non-toxic, and gentle
guide for those who would take the underground railway
to freedom in the 90s.

My dear daughter was home with us for Thanksgiving,
and kindly consented to add a few remarks of a first
hand and personal nature to this report:

    GHB reduced my symptoms of heroin withdrawal to
perhaps 1/10 of what I would normally have
experienced. Having maintained a fairly sizable habit,
(from one to two grams daily for several years) I had
undergone painful withdrawal many times, and was
nothing short of amazed at the mildness of detoxing
with GHB.

    My symptoms usually included nausea, cramping,
headaches, sweating, watery eyes and nose, extreme
sensitivity to light and pain, physical weakness,
sleeplessness, and a general sense of restlessness and
discomfort.

    With GHB, however, I was relaxed, even at the
point when symptoms are normally at their most
intense, and had enough energy to take walks and do
light work. Physical discomfort was mild. I had few
aches or cramps, and enjoyed a healthy appetite. At
night I was given a slightly larger dose, and slept
comfortably and soundly for four to six hours at a
time. I felt emotionally more stable than usual.
Whether this was due to my secure environment,
actually getting sleep, or a combination of the two, I
cannot say. Notable to me was a marked reduction of
the intense craving for heroin that usually
accompanies "kicking".

    I do not doubt that everyone's experience with GHB
will vary slightly, but I found it to be remarkably
beneficial. While I would heartily recommend it to
anyone facing the pain and misery of heroin
withdrawal, I would also suggest having competent
support readily available for the first three or four
days.

From: UUSEAN@...

Hey list,

Just a note to say I have been really busy enjoying life post ibo. In the past week I have been to two museums, a movie, a Russian House party on a boat, attended a Yippee meeting, ate at several cool restaurants...

After twenty years of crack smoking and year of heroin use there is so much living to catch up on. When I first got on this list I only left the house to work or use. Period.

By freeing form the chains of crack, heroin and booze (crack, smack and Jack) I am finally able to lead a fulfilling life. Truly fucking incredible.

And I could not have done it without this list. Even when I cannot post for several days, the you mindvoxians are on my mind.

Preston: so sorry about you cat. Losing a pet is so hard.
Randy: How did the brownies work out?

To all who have wished well thank you! To all struggling, the fight is worth it. It's only your life at stake! So keep posting the good, the bad, the ugly and the really humorous. As we Americans say, "It's all good!"

Peace,
Sean

From: sara119@...

That's how it is , even in The Netherlands.

Van: BiscuitBoy714@... [mailto:BiscuitBoy714@...]

Verzonden: dinsdag 19 oktober 2004 21:47
Aan: ibogaine@...
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Help

 

Does anybody know of a Dr. in the Catskills area or even NYC that doesn't have his head up his ass and is willing to learn something and help me get over these residual withdrawals? My Dr. assured me he would help me with the residuals and then told me to take fucking diphenhydramine. These assholes offered me methadone but would not give me anything effective for sleep. Seems like medical malpractice to me. Here I'll keep you hooked cause you have to pay me monthly but since you won't be seeing me very often fuck you and your withdrawals. Where is the logic in this? I gave this asshole information on Ibogaine which he obviously ignored. The data is being compiled as we speak. All you have to do is read it. This guy blindly treated me with no information obviously because if he had read what I had given him this would not be a problem. He thinks or he acts like he thinks I'm trying to con him. If I was after drugs I would have kept the methadone now wouldn't I. I think he doesn't give a damn cause I won't see him but once a year if I'm clean. If I was still a drunk his ass would already be kicked. I am seriously going to look into a law suit, probably to no avail but, I gotta try. What a fucking idiot. I can't believe this he will keep me hooked but not help me get clean.         Randy

From: UUSEAN@...

Hi Randy,

Yeah, hang in there mahn.  Benzos or opiates sound like a real bad idea.  I know it is rough, but you are a survivor mahn!  Keep on postin though, I know it always got me though times..and you are one of the people who helped me get though.

I have not had a chance to post on a couple of days, but I read everything. To anyone considering ibogaine, I know it interrupted my twenty year crack (and more recently dope) habit, I really think it worth the leap of faith.  In fact, for myself, I know from experience. Three weeks, no crack thoughts or urges.  Minimal thoughts of dope use which have easily been put out of mind.

Changing friends was key for though. And therapy. I strongly recommend both, but if only one is possible, change friends, habits, anything associated with using. There is a whole world out there beyond needles and crack pipes I am rediscovering.

To all struggling, much strength.  Hope to see anyone who can make it at the weekly Big Apple get together of ibonoughts and ibo curious.   For those who can make it, Preston's party sounds like a blast!


Cheers!

From: mafinman@...

Randy,
 
           It's 4:00 am,  I had 4 hours sleep, I'll be up for 2 hours and then get another 2 or 3 if I'm lucky.  After 2 +mos. this is normal.  I can literally count on one hand how many times I've slept through the night  since my treatment.  In the beginning(sounds like genesis and I do consider it a rebirth)  I got two hours 2-3x per 24 hours.   I only did valium right after and noticed I woke up feeling "sick" when I took chemicals to sleep.  The same thing would happen to me when I used to do dope.  It would eat up the methadone in my system.  I went with homeopathics.  But mostly I observed that my waking hours were extremely functional.  Not that toss and turn bullshit.  And when I did sleep, the dreams were intense. 

           I don't know how long ago you did your session, however I had a fatigue after that kicked my ass.  After 10 days I barely had the strength to move to the other side of the bed to change the cds!  I would go to the kitchen, take the eggs out of the fridge,and have to sit down and rest.  The first week sitting in a chair as opposed to relaxing in the bed was a feat.  I took a lot of showers, drank a lot of water and oh yeah the nutritional bullshit that everyone likes to discount was HUGH!! 

           Did I feel I was properly informed when I was told low level flu symptoms for 10 days because of my age and length of usage?  Was I emotionally bouncing off of the walls when I felt uncomfortable at first?  Well to sum it up, I wanted to give a royal ass kicking to my provider for what I felt was being flighty about specifics that I thought intellectually I should have been told.

This is coming from a pacifist who believes no one person EVER has the right to put their hands in violence on another human. Except in self defense, then anything goes!  And truth be told, I love that man!  What he did for me and brought to me, at this moment in my life is unparalleled.  Tools and teachers are all over the place.  Again it's ones perception, and what you're ready for.  When I stopped taking the path of most resistance, and stopped freaking out that every chill, sneeze, twitch, was the onset of a full blown withdrawal, things got better. 
         I pushed myself to see physical progress.  I used the time to read.  It was nice being able to turn the page!  I listened to music nonstop,which is something I had not been doing.  I had become a tv addict.  Something else the Ibo washed out of my brain.  It washed out everything I was doing to excess.  I also stopped cigarettes at the same time.  For the last 2 weeks I have been wanting a cigarette in the worst way.  A lot.  Did I give in and smoke one cigarette or 2 since then?  Yes.  Will I buy a pack.  No.  Would I like to believe people when they say you have kicked opiates among other things.  Do the cigarette thing later.  I know myself.  Do I wish cigarettes were immune boosting and good for you.  Yes. I am not panicking because I am now watching 1 hour of tv per day instead of one per week.  All things in perspective.
        I also believe aftercare and beforecare is something that would raise the odds in a higher success rate for people doing sessions.  The tough times were nothing compared to the insanity of the mission I was on for all those years.
       Just an observation.  But if you're functional enough to come into the city from where you are,  I'd say you're doing outstanding.  Again I don't know the particulars of your history, but  marc pointing out to me over and over that hey you haven't had meth or drugs in a week or 2 weeks or 3 weeks, was really an eyeopener.  The last time I could say that was in 1982!!!!!

        If being pissed off helps get you through, fine.  We should all be upset with the medical industry.  There's nothing new or original about what they did to you.  I believe it's up to me to take care of me and educate myself.  Self reliance is a rush when you get it right.  But I feel for you.  I really do.
        Before my session It was suggested to me to write as many reasons as I could, to reflect on how fucked up things were living as an addict.  It's a reminder and inspiration to think if self defeating thoughts come back in.  I believe I got to 35 reasons.
        Is's now been 1and a half hours on this.  As much as it sounds like rambling I tried to give it thought.  I've been working on that rambling thing.
          I wish for you ; understanding, acceptance, peace, calm and above all love.

                                                                            Martee

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From: ptpeet@...

Anyone else have anything to say to this "poor" woman? I mean, it's tough getting angry at people like this, the ones who seem to think they're helping matters by encouraging more war against others like her "marijuana addicted," now-dead son.
  I haven't yet replied to her, but will. I would like to read anyone else's thoughts on this heart-wrenching but very disturbing and infuriating letter.
  If you'd like to respond to her, please post it here or to me privately and I'll forward it on to her immediately.
  Thanks all.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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To: ptpeet@...
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Marijuana IS a Dangerous Drug


I am a Probation/Parole Agent from Wisconsin, and I am fighting my own war against the very dangerous drug, marijuana.  My son was an every day user of the killer, and at the age of 24 he took his life.  Prior, he was so depressed from using marijuana and alcohol together  so the doctor put him on medication, which only made the situation worse..  He shot himself in February of 2001.

Adam said to me when he was younger that marijuana was not a dangerous drug but just prior to his death, he did say to me, "You know, Mom, marijuana is really dangerous, isn't it?"  If only I would have known.
Adam was extremely intelligent, and in fact,  when he took his tests to get into the tech school, his counselor told him, he didn't belong there, he belonged in a four year program, - but he didn't work to his potential because of his drug usage, so he didn't get the grades he needed.
I now go to schools, prisons, churches, recovery groups, just anywhere anyone asks me to go and I tell "Adam's Story".  It is extremely powerful, and I have turned this awful negative into a positive. Just this year alone, I have done it 47 times, so you can see it is in demand.
From my experience of being a Probation/Parole Agent, I also can speak about real life situations of my clients and their use of marijuana.  They say it is not addictive, but the number of clients that risk the possibility of going to jail because they can not NOT use is staggering.  The drug has messed up so many lives.
The message I give is the danger of using marijuana, especially when someone takes medication, and I  foil the idea that it is harmless.
In "Adam's Story". I tell his life as he grew up, I talk about his addiction, his suicide, and my journey through grief.  Do you know, they wouldn't let me see him, hold him, touch him, they wouldn't let me say good-bye?  He is JUST gone.
It is SO powerful.  You should see the letters I have gotten and what people say.  I went into a treatment center in one of the prisons, and Adam's picture is in the display case at the center with the caption "ALCOHOL AND DRUGS TOOK THIS MAN'S LIFE AT THE AGE OF 24".  The guys don't know who he is, and then I come in and tell his story.  One time, there was a guy in the audience who was going to quit the program, and after hearing the story, he couldn't get me or Adam out of his mind.  On the day he successfully completed the program, he gave his social worker a big drawing, and it was of the picture of Adam in the display case.  He told his social worker he couldn't get me or Adam out of his mind, and he had to do something.  He asked the social worker to send me the picture.  I have it framed and hanging in my living room.  I am trying to turn this awful negative into a positive.
Sometimes I wonder, am I making a difference, but I got a letter from a 15 year old boy who was in a treatment center, who wrote and said that he had been suicidal since the previous July, and hearing my story, he will never do that to his mother.  His counselor, who had been seeing him for some time, didn't even know he was suicidal.
Thank you for letting me tell you what I am doing, and hopefully all of us together can make a difference.
Sincerely,
Linda Kroll


From: seraphina@...

Preston,
Perhaps she should look into the suicidal side effects of the medications
that this young man was prescribed by the medical community. The warnings
that came out last week were not limited to juveniles.

Respectfully Yours,

Jon Ludlam


From: Charliedog43@...

I feel her pain, but I would guess the alcohol and "meds" (which are never mentioned what kind) the doctor wrote are the real culprits here, or just juvenile depression. I've never heard of anyone dying from smoking pot, much less from killing themselves from the efects of pot alone. I know she means well, but I think she may be chasing the wrong demon. Now about people killing themselves from just plain depression, alcohol, and anti depressants (if that's what meds she is talking about,although surely not the only meds) it's a long list indeed. I would guess there was much more bothering this young man than going back to pot and alcohol. Something deeper in his psyche that started the use to begin with. I know when I drank, I got very depressed, worthless thoughts when I was 24. Never off pot. Never knew anyone who did off pot. I'm truly sorry for her loss, but I would guess she is chasing the wrong culprit if pot is the one she is blaming. No alcohol or prescription meds? More the right track to follow, I would guess just from lots of experiences. And those of many other people. Again, I am truly sorry for her loss of her son, but sometimes the answers just are not that easy to answer when the mind and depression are involved. Personally, I think pot is the safest thing going as far as deaths, accidents, violence, etc. It's just the legal aspect that bothers most. That's just my opinion, but the world would surely be a better place if pot replaced alcohol and a lot of other drugs, legal or otherwise. There are new negative findings about youth's taking anti-depressants and other supposedly safe FDA drugs coming out on a daily basis. I know i was put on steroids for a medical condition, and could have easily hurt myself or someone else without ever knowing why until I went back to my doctor thinking I was going crazy. It was the steroids. Just had a very, very, very, adverse effect on me. But no way to know until I tried them. Never again. Just plain frightening.

                        Sorry for her loss and meant no disrespect,
                                      Norris


From: mafinman@...

First and foremost I want to acknowledge the intensity of grief and loss this woman is experiencing.  I in no way intend to diminish the validity of what she is feeling.
      The content in this letter really emphasize many issues that I feel are why and where things have gone astray in our society and culture.  First and maybe not foremost is the comment about the "medication" the doctor prescribed.  Psychotropic drugs have common side effects of affecting behavior as far as extremely erratic,violent,and suicidal behavior.  Especially in teens.  My experience through talking to people over the many years of pursuing experiences of the drug companies and the medical profession victimizing people for profit and out of ignorance(a lot of the dr.s)  The drs. in many cases are sold the drugs by the drug reps.  They are too busy to really read up on the side effects and the proper blood work needed before prescribing these drugs.  There are times when blind faith can serve a purpose but dealing with meds and all their side effects and the $game that underscores it all isn't one of those times.
    I believe that addiction is a symptom.  It's what we do (yes I'm 2 mos after ibogaine after a 22 year addiction, this time) to cover up trauma and the feelings that come with it.
    The fact that marijuana is the target here is beyond absurd.  Alcohol on the other hand which is a major contribution to dysfunction in our society.  At least 50% of car accidents,  Domestic violence,(superbowl sunday reports the highest incidence) health problems etc.  Campaigning against alcohol, heroin or cocaine would make some sense.  Marijuana is like the house cat in the cat family.  Yeah there is claws and teeth but It ain't a tiger.
    Back to addiction. I believe that in my heart and soul that we could get rid of 75% of prisons, as well as  people victimizing one another and being victims (just the other side of the coin) by seeing to it that people have parenting skills that are supportive of positive growth.  If a plant responds to care and love imagine what it will do for people, especially children.  I want to make it perfectly clear I am not placing blame on this woman.  We usually learn by example, which for most are extremely dysfunctional parents or parent.  Ones intentions and desires are usually separate from what the practical abilities we have to parent.  I'm not one to jump on the commercial bandwagon however I really believe Dr.Phil has got something valid re:parenting skills. Knowledge can be power.  It's basic Psych 101. Can't we all just get along. 
     My personal experience, being one of seven children,father deceased, mother emotionally as unavailable as can be.  All seven of us had our stints with self defeating behaviors until we straightened out.  Six down one more to go.  Completely opposite is how my older brother raised his five children who are all grown now.  He told them he loved them every day.  He is extremely demonstrative of his affection. Even as adults when they visit him, before retiring they express love and give big hugs.  It's about not being judgmental or talking down to them.  Next time you tell your kid they're can't do anything right, just stop and picture them 5 or 10 years from now with a tie around they're arm and a syringe.  Sorry if this offends anyone but it's how I really really really feel. I am NOT judging anyone here.
        THE WAR ON DRUGS WILL NOT BE WON UNTIL THE DESIRE FOR DRUGS IS ELIMINATED.  It's a business. A very lucrative business.  Legal drugs as well as illegal.  There are so many ways we can and do become victims.  A lot of it disguised as fads and what is socially permissible.  All for the almighty$, possibly at the cost of your soul.
                                                                      MARTEE   


From: "m.finman" mafinman@...

I completely agree with you on that, but things aren't going to change anytime soon are they ? - given that as a race we're predisposed to finding enjoyment through altering our state of minds chemically. Jonny

From: mafinman@...

Jonny,
         
      It depends on if people want to stay with what they know and are comfortable with, such as dysfunction  and chemically sustaining ones mind and body to be kept docile under the thumbs of the $ machine.  If it wasn't for the ibogaine I don't know that I could have ever stopped.  I was a lunatic, nonstop.  What we are as a race and what we are at our core are two different things.  I'm going for altered state of mind without chemicals.  It's possible.
    As far as change goes, what did Arlo Guthrie say in Alice's Restaurant?  If one person does it, or 2 people, by the time 3 people do it ,it's a god damn movement.  That's definitely not an exact quote.  It's a wonder I have any recall or brain cells left.
  Once again I believe in equal and opposite reaction.  What you put out you get back. What comes around goes around , etc. etc.
    I appreciate your response and invite you to consider the possibilities.
                                                                                Martee

 
From: sjonnygee@...

Hi Martee,

            I also believe in cause and effect, I've seen it affect my whole life for good and bad . But as humans being led or as individuals leading themselves, I still think there is an innate attraction to basically 'get high' chemically or otherwise. The point I'm also making is that dysfunction is subjective and using drugs does not have to render you docile. Drug-free altered states of mind are something I've had great and healing fun with - visuals, meditation and sensory deprivation  can all have dramatic effect, especially the latter ! -  Basically I agree with you on everything else Martee, although 3 make an organization, 50 make a movement I think ! .....Cheers Jonny.

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