Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:40:18 -0400
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #48: Speed, P.K. Dick & Ibogaine Development;
Albuquerque, Chico, Hartford, Mexico City, Nashville, Rostock Make 74
Cities on the Global Marijuana March May 7, 2005!

Important: get your city on the list for the Global Marijuana March, May 7, 2005!

So far we have confirmed 74 cities:

Albany

Albuquerque

Athens

Asheville

Auckland

Bergen

Boone

Boulder

Burlington

Capetown

Chico

Christchurch

Cincinnati

Colorado Springs

Columbia

Darwin

Des Moines

Detroit

Dover

Dublin

Dunedin

East Lansing

Eugene

Fayetteville

Frankfurt

Ft. Smith

Hartford

Hatchita

Houston

Kansas City

Kristiansand

Lethbridge

Lexington

Los Angeles

Mexico City

Missoula

Montreal

Moscow

Nashville

Newark

New Paltz

New York

Nimbin

Ogden

Oslo

Paris

Peoria

Philadelphia

Phoenix

Portland

Prague

Raleigh

Rapid City

Reno

Richmond

Roanoke

Rostock

San Francisco

Sarasota

Spokane

Stavanger

St. Louis

Stockholm

Tampa

Thunder Bay

Toronto

Traverse City

Tromsoe

Trondheim

Tucson

Upper Lake

Vancouver

Washington, D.C.

Wilmington

There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:

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*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2004:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: ArvedS@...

Dear Dana,
may is far away but its never to early to begin the planing. Ihope you
understand my bad english and I try to answer you. At the first I will tell you
that we try to start an action on next MMM. 2003 and 2004 we had an
informationpoint with music in the middle of our town Rostock. Next year we will
make this point again. This is the little pro cannabis event in our city. In
september each year we make a big hemp festival with live Bands etc. this
festival reachs over 1000 peaple. watch out for Information at
www.rostocker-hanffest.de You can list us at your list.
Nice greetings,
Arved Schönberger

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The addresses still being the same.

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dougkeenan
 Today, 10:16 AM
 

 Post  #271

This report just breaks my heart. When judges play doctor, suffer the weakest among us.

QUOTE
D.C. Jail Stay Ends in Death For Quadriplegic Md. Man
Care Provided by Hospital, Corrections Dept. in Question
By Henri E. Cauvin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 1, 2004; Page B01

Jonathan Magbie, a 27-year-old Mitchellville man, was sent to jail in the District last week for 10 days for marijuana possession.

He never made it home.

Paralyzed as a child and unable to even breathe on his own, Magbie died last Friday after being shuttled between the D.C. jail complex and Greater Southeast Community Hospital.

At the center of the many questions surrounding his death is whether D.C. Superior Court and the D.C. Department of Corrections did enough to ensure adequate care for the quadriplegic inmate.

An investigation is underway, but that is little solace to his family, which marched on the courthouse this week with signs accusing the judge of killing Magbie.

"I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been punished, because he did smoke the marijuana," his mother, Mary Scott, said yesterday, a day after burying her son. "I just don't think it should have cost him his life."

By the standards of D.C. Superior Court, the 10-day sentence rendered by Judge Judith E. Retchin was unusually punitive for a first-time offender such as Magbie. Along with his defense attorney, Boniface Cobbina, a pre-sentence report had recommended probation, and the U.S. attorney's office had not objected.

But Retchin rejected probation alone. A former federal prosecutor who became a Superior Court judge in 1992, Retchin is known to dispense stiff sentences
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MoSnazzy
 Today, 10:51 AM
 

 Post  #272

 I can't believe that anyone would send a quadraplegic person to jail period - for any offense. Why? They are already in jail. I think that the cops, the judge, and the DA should all be held accountable.

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From: UUSEAN@...

As I wrote the subject line, Madonna's eighties hit Material Girl was playing in my head. Anyway, I spent the day reading Beal's book The Ibogaine Story, as well as book on healing called, "Entering the Ghost River."

As someone who has hailed from the secular humanist strain of Unitarianism, it has been along time since I have been open to the Gnostic thread of Beal's book. Also, I have been very Western scientific concerning healing in general.

However, I had a dream Monday night, the first night after my stopping using again which really struck me.  In the dream, I came upon a new church near my home. I walked in. It was clearly a Catholic church, the religion of my childhood. It was Easter, and the congregation was singing, "Christ is risen today, alleluia."

Then I woke up. Now I am not turning to Christianity or anything. (really I'm not), but I do see significance in the resurrection theme as it relates to my current situation of getting clean again after spending time in the tomb of heroin and crack. (BTW I did overdose twice during my relapse and was brought back, so I was literally "resurrected" in one sense.:) Next week I am taking the sacrament of ibogaine. I know that my old skeptical secular humanist self would never bother making connection like this, so something is changing.

Anyway, just some thoughts. And BTW Allison, stay strong through those treatments for the Hep. Are using marijuana, I have heard it helps.

That's all folks
Sean

From: ms_iboga@...

Dear Sean,

That was a cool email...I'm glad to hear you're doing
better.  On the topic of resurrection: Recently I
ordered some detox products from an herbalist in
Holland, and they sent me a bonus, free gift: a Rose
of Jericho. 

This amazing plant can be dormant for months in the
desert, blowing to and fro on the breezes, dry and
brittle like a tumbleweed.  But, on the offchance that
it encounters even the slightest bit of water, it
unfurls its fronds, transforms from brown to green,
and is reborn.  It repeats this process literally
hundreds of times during its lifespan.

hugs, good vibes, and purple light

Julie from Toronto(the T dot O),

From: UUSEAN@...

Hi Julie,

Nature is full of death and rebirth, isn't it? Perhaps that is where the storied of reincarnation and resurrection originated.  From people watching natural cycles.

BTW Thanks for the purple light. Are you getting Phil Dickean with me?

Horselover Not So Fat.:)

Sean

From: dave@...

do electric sheep really dream?

http://electricsheep.org/

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From: dana@...

Atten: Sean, Preston:

Gay City News has agreed to print the following letter. It's significance is that the publisher, Paul Schindler, is very involved with the forums, having moderated the one that Alan Clear of HRC criticized for hosting an appearance by the DEA. Schindler's  lead writer, Duncan Osborn (a member of ACT UP when it voted 23 to 21 to discontinue NIDA clinical trials of Ibogaine) has taken the position  that we're arguing that Ibo is a "miracle cure" and that all it is is  an SSRI like wellbutrin. (He was also rude on the phone to Dr. Ken Alper.)

The forum organizers, Dan Carlson and Bruce Kellerman, take the position that they're not about medications development, which was good enough for AIDS, but not for addicts. Their response to crystal meth: turn in a friend to the DEA, so they can turn in their friends. It's the only way they can "get help."


Letter to the Gay City News:

As much as I appreciate Duncan Osborne's reporting, your continuing
series on Dan Kellerhouse and Dan Carlson seems to be extremely biased
in favor of these two non-credentialed "experts".  As an AIDS activist
and long-time survivor, I question why you feature these two
profiteers while ignoring those of us who have worked in the trenches
here in NYC.  In the four years that I have been observing and
participating in the now-defunct Mayor's Office of AIDS Policy and
Coordination (MOAPC) I have never seen these two individuals at any of
the Alcohol and Other Drugs workgroup, the Social Services workgroup
or the Health workgroup - yet they are able to mislead Harvey
Fierstein and Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS into working with
them.  They have no 501c-3 status or medical training that I know of.
Why the unending coverage?  Just wondering.
--
--Sincerely,
********************************
Greg Lake
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cc: file

From: ms_iboga@...

>we're arguing that Ibo is a "miracle cure" and
>> that all it is is
>> an SSRI like wellbutrin.


Um, anyone who had actually DONE ibogaine, and who
KNEW what they were talking about, would never spout
such garbage.  Ibogaine is not, I repeat, NOT ANYTHING
LIKE AN SSRI.

This is what happens when we have the ignorant and
misinformed leading the 'blind' and 'deaf'...

grrr,
Julie


From: dana@...

That was based on his cursory examination of the OASAS website and a few other sources. He also seemed really angry that we were saying it had multiple mechanisms of action. And his entire argument was based on authority-- "GMHC had a commission that examined this. and they say there's no known medication, approved or experimental, that can interrupt crystal meth dependency." Ergo, there CAN BE no such thing as ibogaine. Which I suspect would be effective for at least one out of three speedfreaks--not to mention the potential for low-dose substitution therapy, which has enjoyed some success with crack, I believe.

He was really pretty hostile. I'm not certain he would even like to see gay addicts or HIV positive people be told about Ibogaine at all. I suggest an email campaign aimed at GAY CITY NEWS, to educate Schindler and Osborne as to their responsibility for blocking access to the treatment scene that does exist for their community. Osborne's address is: duncanto@...

Dana/cnw

               

From: carlambarnes@...

That would be because Dana has never done ibogaine and
will never do ibogaine in spite of pushing it on
everybody else in the world

Dana, another inflammatory and obnoxious letter. This
is going to help what? Who is going to listen to this.
Why do you always have this list of people you need to
attack, then say something completely wrong about
ibogaine a 'miracle cure' that you have never done and
will never do.

How does this help anything? I'm sorry I don't want to
start again but this is the same thing you always do.
Why what is this going to accomplish Dana?

Carla B

--- Ms Iboga

From: dana@...

> That would be because Dana has never done ibogaine and

> will never do ibogaine in spite of pushing it on
> everybody else in the world


That's actually wrong on two counts. I have done it -- low dose, from chewed rootbark, but it had definite psychoactive effect--and I'm waiting to get some actually HCl to do it again. I just want to be able to control the dose regimin, since I know at least as much about it as anyone else on this list.

>
> Dana, another inflammatory and obnoxious letter.



I didn't write the letter that's being published. Greg Lake did. The point is that it's being printed. Schindler's letting it into his paper. And Greg just told me they might print an article on ibogaine, one not done by Osborne.

>  This is going to help what?


Well, a lot of folks are not so sure about the direction of the HIV forum, such as Alan Clear, the man putting on the conference in New Orleans that Patrick is so frantically preparing for.

> Who is going to listen to this.


I wouldn't have brought it up now if the situation hadn't become more fluid, all of a sudden. Quite a lot of people have listened over the years.--"politicians and addicts and treatmentproviders and authors and reporters and just about anyone else breathing." Would it be better to leave them in utter ignorance, because of the occasional person who, willfully ignorant, says that such a thing can't be, or they'd already know about it?

> Why do you always have this list of people you need to
> attack, then say something completely wrong about
> ibogaine a 'miracle cure' that you have never done and

> will never do.


No. HE characterized what everyone on this list pretty much agrees -- that Ibogaine interrupts physical addiction and psychological craving across a broad spectrum of abused substances-- as claiming it is "a miracle cure, because nothing does that" (i.e, works for opiates AND stimulants).  HE said that the one organized group that could get Ibogaine through the bureaucratic thicket (because that's what they did with the AIDS drugs) shouldn't even discuss it as a serious option. Basically, he doesn't want to tarnish the ACT UP legend, or highlite the irony of Peter Staley voting to stop development of ibogaine in 1994, and then proceeding to get strung out on crystal and contracting new strains of HIV.

>
> How does this help anything? I'm sorry I don't want to
> start again but this is the same thing you always do.
> Why what is this going to accomplish Dana?

> Carla B


Look, if we want to get Ibogaine FDA approved, we're going to have to expect to wade through come controversy. The situation in New York is complicated by the legacy of Linda Twigg, who with Ann Ardolino, was trying to blackmail Howard Lotsof. All this negativity was generated by Ardolino and a few other people, but it was enough to make a big swath of people here skeptical. This isn't impossible to change, but it takes effort, both by providers and by activists.

The problem with being above the fray is that you leave things the way they are when they COULD be changed. Why hasn't anybody on this list gotten Heroin Helper to change that bullshit inspired by Ardolino?

Gay City News wants a 250 word article is what it's accomplished.

Dana/cnw

P.S.: When squatters accused me of "owning the ibogaine patent" in 1989, I realized that it might not help my case for critics to be able to say (a la Tim Leary) that "he just wants to be able to do his favorite drug." But times have changed,  and now I have a genuine medical need to do it. (A gram and a half of indra got rid of my daughter's cyst.) I want to try a prolonged, low-dose therapy, and I think that will work better for this purpose. I just don't think the splitting of skull is needful. Already had my religious experience.

From: vector620022002@...

Carla to correct you on one part of your message, I've lost the
original thread through your's, Julie's and other's quotes but Dana
wrote a inflammatory and reactionary message to this list.

The reasonable and very good I thought, letter that went to the
newspaper was not written by Dana.

Dana then mentioned that Sean and Preston would be doing outreach to

the gay community which also sounds reasonable.

Ann Ardolino has stopped posting how howard and bob sisko ripped her
off and gave her ibogaine in a hotel in nyc. I don't think she's ever
managed to sign onto the ibogaine list maybe because patrick lost her
subscription  she didn't have any trouble signing up to drugwar on
Mindvox.

The last part of your message doesn't make any sense, you made it sound
like you used ibogaine to beat your meth problem in that NY Post
article Dana.

Everybody knows your favorite drug is pot not ibogaine, I don't think
there is any confusion

How's your daughter's cyst?

From: HSLotsof@...

In a message dated 9/30/04 5:35:49 PM, dana@... writes:

<< That's actually wrong on two counts. I have done it -- low dose, from
chewed rootbark, but it had definite psychoactive effect--and I'm
waiting to get some actually HCl to do it again. I just want to be
able to control the dose regimin, since I know at least as much about
it as anyone else on this list. >>

Dear Dana,

Just remember it is long acting.  It comes on in three phases.  And, it
actually does eventually cease its activity.  There is no reason not to follow
shamanic tradition and dose escalate up to educate yourself in a safe manner.  On
the other hand there is the, "here take this. Bamm!!! type of dosing.  You are

certainly in touch with just about everyone in the scene so you have the
opportunity to be well advised.  Give yourself plenty of recovery time. Will you
be going to St Kitts?

Howard

From: UUSEAN@...

Hi Carla,

Even though Dana sent this out to the whole list for their reading pleasure, you will notice that it was addressed to me and Preston.  I live in the NYC area and am very concerned by the growing crystal problem in the gay community. And unfortunately too often self proclaimed gay leaders make wrongheaded statements without knowing the facts.

Remember the letter is a reprint of a letter to the Gay City News.  Dana is certainly in no way alone on this issue.  In fact I think it is absolutely remarkable that a straight ally would stick his neck out like Dana does for the gay community. He really gives a shit. And given the rising HIV rate among young gay men, we really cannot afford to let self proclaimed experts ruin the lives of young gay men with misinformation about potential addiction treatment, in this case ibogaine.

I think that's the point.:)

All the best,
Sean

From: dana@...

Vector wrote:

> The last part of your message doesn't make any sense, you made it sound
> like you used ibogaine to beat your meth problem in that NY Post
> article Dana.


What happened is that they quoted me out of context, since I clearly told them that I quit both speed and coke during the time ibogaine was unavailable, between the early '60's and the late '80's. You also have to recognize that for your average reporter, you don't have any credibility as a lay person working in the addictions field unless you're "in recovery,' so when they asked the question, did you ever do drugs other than pot, I went ahead and answered, knowing how it would play out--but never intending to imply that I used Ibogaine to quit, since I try not to come off as Leary, remember? The columnist, BTW, was in the DAILY NEWS, which is ten times bigger than the NY POST.

 Anyway, wasn't my point in the original post that set Carla off that it was reprehensible to turn gay speedfreaks in to the DEA while suppressing their access to Ibogaine? I thought people on this list more or less agreed it's better to get folks Ibogaine BEFORE they get themselves arrested. That's a way bigger deal than whether it was me or the reporter who fucked up.

Preston wrote:

> Dana, Dana, Dana, you have had a piece of rootbark in your mouth, no? That
> is not the same thing at all as eating it, or "doing it" rather.


I dunno, Preston. You chew it enough to make your tongue go totally numb, and in my experience it has psychoactive effect. Like tasting just a trace of chocolate, your mind knows the "taste" of ibogaine in the brain. I liked the "feeling" of ibogaine, I know that. Great stimulant in low doses.

Howard: you know perfectly well that St. Kitts doesn't give it for cysts. Does anyone have a better idea of how to administer it for cysts than a low-dose regimen? If it was Indra it might be different, since the non-HCl form hangs around in the body longer. But it seems to me the one-big-dose of HCl route would just be over too soon to do the job.

Dana/cnw

From: slowone@...

I think low-dose iboga is comparable to an SSRI in terms of the way one
would use it. More convenient because the effect is fast and the dosage
can be varied, and you can start and stop at will. Inconvenient because
my experience is that iboga wears you down over time. Also it can be
scary if you take too much for the everyday situation at hand. Both iboga
and SSRI's seem to lessen one's sensitivity to inner pain, and thus allow
a more objective look at things. I had no insights with Paxil, although
I especially enjoyed a warm, energised feeling it added to smoking pot.
My mundane helper is Neurontin - it is a mood stabiliser also used for
pain patients, and in small doses (300-400mg for sleep a couple of times
a week) it seems to enhance energy, relaxation, and groundedness. I forget
about it for many weeks at a time, remembering if I am troubled or run
down. Among drugs/entheogens, it most reminds me of the feeling one has
in the days following an ayahuasca session. Larger doses of Neurontin
are uncomfortable for me, and I've heard this of other people.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:31:50 -0700 jon <jfreed1@...> wrote:

>>>>Um, anyone who had actually DONE ibogaine, and who
>>>>KNEW what they were talking about, would never spout
>>>>such garbage.  Ibogaine is not, I repeat, NOT ANYTHING
>>>>LIKE AN SSRI.
>
>>
>>Well, they are both serotonin agonists in a general sense, but that's

>>where the similarity ends...
>>

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