Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:08:07 -0400
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #45: Bergen, Columbia, Kansas City, Kristiansand,
Peoria, Reno, Richmond, Thunder Bay, Tromsoe, Upper Lake, Vancouver Make
46 Cities Marching May 7, 2005!

Important: get your city on the list for May 7, 2005!

So far we have confirmed 46 cities:

Albany

Athens

Asheville

Auckland

Bergen

Burlington

Christchurch

Cincinnati

Columbia

Detroit

Dublin

East Lansing

Eugene

Fayetteville

Hatchita

Houston

Kansas City

Kristiansand

Lexington

Missoula

Montreal

Moscow

New Paltz

New York

Nimbin

Oslo

Paris

Peoria

Philadelphia

Phoenix

Prague

Raleigh

Rapid City

Reno

Richmond

Spokane

Stavanger

St. Louis

Thunder Bay

Toronto

 

Tromsoe

Trondheim

Tucson

Upper Lake

Vancouver

Washington, D.C.

There is also some international MMM networking going on at
this CannabisCulture.com message forum:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=current

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*****!!!Global Marijuana March--May 7, 2004:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: post@...

Hi Dana!

We Would like to add 3 more cities from Norway to the list of MMM 2005.
 

Kristiansand
Bergen

Tromsų (or Tromsoe, if you don't have "ų")
 
 
Kris K.
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From: sara119@...

Florida's High Court Affirms Religious Freedom Entitled to Expanded
Protection

By Allie Martin and Jody Brown
September 8, 2004

(AgapePress) - The Florida Supreme Court has ruled that the state's
Religious Freedom Restoration Act expands protection for religious freedom.
The court said religious freedom in the Sunshine State is entitled to
greater protection than that guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.

Earlier this month, the Florida Supreme Court issued an opinion in the case
of Warner v. City of Boca Raton stating that the Florida Religious Freedom
Restoration Act (FRFRA) "expands the scope of religious protection beyond
the conduct considered protected" by cases from the U.S. Supreme Court. "We
also hold that under the Act, any law, even a neutral law of general
applicability, is subject to the strict scrutiny standard where the law
substantially burdens the free exercise of religion," the court stated.

The court explained that a religious belief is substantially burdened if the
government either "compels the religious adherent to engage in conduct that
his religion forbids, or forbids him to engage in conduct that his religion
requires." In addition, the court stated that "a person must only establish
that the government has placed a substantial burden on a practice motivated
by a sincere religious belief."

What that means, according to an example offered by Florida-based Liberty
Counsel, is that a person can have a religious belief in home schooling even
if that approach to education is not an expressly stated doctrine of the
person's church.

Mat Staver, president and general counsel of Liberty Counsel, drafted and
lobbied for the FRFRA in 1998, and had also filed an amicus brief with the
state's high court explaining the legislative intent of the Act. He expects
the ruling to have a major impact on other states.

"This is a great sign for other states that don't have similar religious
freedom laws to pass those laws," the attorney says. "Protecting the free
exercise of religion is one of the first duties of government. The greatness
of government can be measured by its commitment to protecting religious
freedom."

Staver believes the ruling will send a "green light" to other states to pass
similar laws because it "resoundingly affirm[s] that states can pass
legislation -- and that courts must abide by this additional protection."

According to Liberty Counsel, the high court cited two zoning cases in its
decision -- one which involved a Baptist church that wanted to expand its
Christian school, and another involving a feeding program for homeless
people. The court approved the latter, which acknowledged free exercise
rights, but disapproved of the case involving the Baptist church, which
rejected free exercise rights.

Liberty Counsel litigated -- and lost -- the Baptist church case, but also
won an almost identical zoning claim under FRFRA before the same appeals
court. Staver's firm says now that the Florida Supreme Court has sided with
its arguments that were rejected in the Baptist church decision, it intends

to reopen that case.
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From: roy.B.scherer@...

DANA:
     Please include Richmond, Virginia in the cities that will hold a
March in May!
     Also plese note my brand-new email address.  The old one will
soon disappear.
     On the subject of the Gallup Polls (your last newsletter), their
head guy was in town a few hours ago, and I got to poke at him a
little.  Here;s the report, if you or others are interested.
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        From the Jepson Center at UofR, this eyewittness news:
  At the University of Richmond Wednesday night, Gallup Poll
editor-in-chief Frank Newport announced that latest polling shows that
the Libertarian candidate, Michael Badnarik, is projected to sweep the
elections.
        He went on to say that, actually, he didn't think that would happen,
but remarked that the Libertarians were certainly well-organized, and
had been flooding the Gallup people with e-mails.  He also recalled
that they were present the last time he had been at UofR, for the
"town meeting" presidential debates.
       He then went on to give a moderately interesting speech, pointing out
among other things the question of whether an elected official should
be a "trustee:, using his or her own best judgement while in office
and ignoring the will of the people who elected him, or a "delegate",
representing as accurately as possible the people's will.
     He clearly is a believer in the power and efficiency of polls.  He
briefly recounted fairly well-known data showing that for a variety of
problems, it is far less accurarte to consult one or two "experts"
than to get the opinions of many people and find the average of those
opinions.
        In the question period following his talk, I thanked him for
mentioning the Libertarians and Badnarik, and pointed out that it was
the first time the Gallup organization had ever referred to either.  I
asked about the self-fulfilling nature of not presenting
alternate-party candidates as choices in the polls, and then claiming
that the reason they weren't mentioned is that they have negligible
standing in the polls.  (Had meant to mention Greens as well, but in
the heat of the moment neglected to do so.  Sorry.)
  He responded that they just can't cover all the thirty or sixty
presidential candidates, and repeated how well-organized the
Libertarians must be.
        He did say that their most recent poll DID present Badnarik as an
alternative, along with some other alternate-party candidates.  He
mentioned the Green, Reform, and Constitution parties by name (but
neither their candidates nor their positions.  He said that
respondents choosing the LP "rounded up" to one percent.
        I'm sorry to say that I wasn't able to ask a followup question about
the glaring disconnect between the one or two parties with hundreds of
elected officials, and near-nationwide ballot access, and the scores
of people who are on the ballot in one or even two states, or even
just running a write-in campaign.
       FWIW, a distinguished-looking white-haired gentleman spoke to me
after the talk, thanking me for the question and identifying himself
as a fellow Libertarian.
    Again FWIW, my companion for the evening told me that she had taken
the World's Smallest Political Quiz, and had identified herself as
mostly Libertarian.
        Sorry for not having been able to frame the question more
particularly . . . but all we can do is all we can do.

New Listings--

Columbia: Dan Viets (573) 443-6866 office [(573) 819-2669 cell] danviets@... [15 N. 10th St.

Columbia, MO 65201]

 

Houston: Dean Farrell http://houstonnorml.org or info@... (281)752-9198.

http://www.cultural-baggage.com c/o Dean Becker, 11215 Oak Spring, Houston, TX 77043

Kansas City: mohemp@... http://www.mohemp.org David 816-678-7447, 'its a beautiful day' 3918 Broadway, Kansas City MO. 64111... 816 931 6169. Elyse Max, 816-305-4564. MOHEMP, PO BOX 413681, Kansas City, MO 64141.

Peoria: Richard J. Rawlings RichRawlings@... Voice and Fax: 309-633-1023 US Marijuana Party of Illinois 1022 Collins Ct.,  Bartonville, Illinois 61607-1714 http://www.ilmjp.com/mmm

Reno: Michelle 775-287-1594 toots_77@... [Michelle Buck, 1850 Idlewild Drive Apt. A9, Reno, NV, 89509]

Richmond: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer@...> (804)355-7612 [Roy B. Scherer, 8 North Sheppard St., Richmond VA, 23221]  or S.L. Barker (RCHO) shatteredexistence@... [14106 Whirlaway Mews, Midlothian, VA 23112] Monroe Park

Upper Lake, Ca.: Linda & Eddy Lepp"linda senti" <lisenti@...> 707-275-8879 [Postal: 9176 Upper Lake Lucerne Rd, Upper Lake, CA 95485]

Vancouver: David Malmo-Levine  <globalmjmarch@...>  c/o  BC Marijuana Party Bookstore and Internet Broadcasting Center, 307 West Hastings V6B 1H6 Tel. 604 682-1172 http://www.cannabisculture.com

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From: tents444@...

Hello Dana,
 
David Malmo Levine says to add Vancouver to the MMM 2005 city list. His message to me was in this forum thread post here:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Number=774032&fpart=12#953518
 

eco man
 

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*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

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Kerry: 'Bush Planning to Call Up Reserves after Election'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091904Z.shtml

Norman Solomon | Missing: A Media Focus on the Supreme Court

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092004X.shtml

Maureen Dowd | No Stars, Just Cuffs
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092004J.shtml

Marjorie Cohn | Bush & Co.: War Crimes and Cover-Up
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092004A.shtml

Classic Guerrilla War Forming in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092104J.shtml

Linda McQuaig | Crude Dudes

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092204X.shtml

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From: Garyrumor@...

Click here: Iraqwar News Network
http://www.iraq-news-net.de/?/news/news/1737/
 

Well, gang, here is another member of the US Armed Forces spelling it out for all of you who just might be buying some of the BS being put out by one or the other Main Stream Party. Bush says the war is right and everything is hunky dory. Kerry says the war is wrong and everything is not hunky dory but he will make everything OK if you just let him run things. Only people like Kusinich and Nader are waving the red flag here and saying no way. But who listens to those guys. Even leftists that I know are so head stuck in the ground that they don't dare critique Kerry for fear he might blow over at the least hint of dissatisfaction. Of course Bush is out there in his own version of La La Land, hoping that nobody notices. But hell hasn't everybody noticed the emperor has no clothes dude, and he isn't a nudist. - Gary Rumor

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From: mitch-h@...

Seth Weine writes:


>> Can you describe for us some realistic scenario(s)
>> for how one gets from here:


>> "Israel (once cut off from American aid)"


>> to there:


>> "will re-align itself with the Islamic world"


I can't describe the details of such a scenario, and if I could, I'd
compile them into a dissertation that I'd submit (to the School of
[Pecan] Divinity) for the degree of "Messiah"...

(Surely you remember Molly Pecan, the Yiddish actress?)

Seriously, this is a case where necessity would be the mother of
invention. Such an alliance would make sense for both Israel (with its
nukes and its "penetration" of the planetary North) and the Islamic
world (with its oil).

Also, I believe strongly that Islam is much closer to Judaism than is
Christianity (or, for that matter, that oddly familiar creature I called
[in my previous posting] "lefty atheism.") For nearly a thousand years,
ending in 1492, such compatibility of civilizations, beliefs, cultures
seemed natural and obvious.

I could even see Judaism being considered merely the oldest form of the
same religion as Islam -- a "relative" (albeit more distant) or even a
sect (as are Sunni or Shia).

Interestingly, many Muslims apparently even consider the Al-Aqsa Mosque
to be the Third Temple!

I do, in fact, have a sense that for the scenario to work, Islam would
have to "swallow up" Judaism. I see this happening, being forced on both
sides (to their great mutual advantage) by necessity. But I wouldn't
expect it to happen easily.

Actually, I described the most likely (rather apocalyptic) scenario in
my (admittedly oddball) email message that you're quoting...

An attempt is made (by the UN, NATO, or some consortium of the Great
Powers or the "International Community" [I just love that one!]) to
impose a "Peace settlement" on Israel/Palestine, something like the
so-called Geneva Accords.

Within a very few years, it becomes clear that the Jews are unwilling to
accept giving up the Temple Mount, and that the Palestinians aren't
happy with having had to relinquish their right of Return. Skirmishing continues.

In this context, the Great Powers ("Babylon") come to believe that
Israel needs a spanking. Aid to Israel is cut off. Eventually, there's
even an effort (by the "International Community") to install
"peacekeepers" in the region to keep the "peace settlement" in place,
whether the people there want it or not. And fundamentalists on both
sides (maybe predominantly the Jews) attack...

At that point, along come the Fundamentalist armies of Christendom,
ostensibly lending themselves to the defense of Israel --  but the Jews
won't convert to Christianity when the Fundies expect (and demand) that
they do so. Instead, they're left to form an alliance with the Arabs and
the rest of the Muslim world, and (perhaps) China.

(Incidentally, I believe India, as an Aryan state, would align itself
with the planetary North; Pakistan, obviously, is Muslim.)

Wars do these sorts of things to alignments (and they clear out old
infrastructures). Obviously, in the process I'm describing, there would

also be lots of people dead -- and a reconfiguration of power and wealth
on the planet. Hence the "Road Warrior" scenario I described...

Unfortunately, though, I'm not ready to defend the above as a
dissertation, in an oral exam. Besides which, with my bad back, I'm not
able to climb Mount Sinai these days, which is where such interviews are
administered.

The best I can do right now is hope for a Burning Bush -- and hope, as
well, that we can all keep our sense of humor, and that the people we
like stay alive and prosper.

Happy New Year!

-- MH

From: msimon@...

>
> Why You Should Ignore The Gallup Poll This Morning - And Maybe Other Gallup Polls As Well
>
> This morning we awoke to the startling news that despite a flurry of different polls this week all showing a tied race, the venerable Gallup Poll, as reported widely in the media (USA Today and CNN) today, showed George W. Bush with a huge 55%-42% lead over John Kerry amongst likely voters. The same Gallup Poll showed an 8-point lead for Bush amongst registered voters (52%-44%). Before you get discouraged by these results,



Why should I be discouraged? I'm hoping for a Bush win. Sounds like good news to me. Add in that Kerry is dropping ad buys in four states and I'd say he was in trouble. NJ is in play. NJ. Trouble? No trouble at all.

I wouldn't worry none. After winning the election the Republicans will self destruct too. It is just that the Dems are doing it pre-election.

BTW them real fake memos can't be helping. Wonder why Edwards even mentioned them in a speech before they had been fully vetted (now there is a word)?

And the Draft scare? With Democrats promoting the draft in Congress? Haven't the Democrats heard of the internet and e-mail? Word gets out faster. Kerry must be desperate trying to scare kids with a program Democrats are promoting. I mean it just looks stupid. Maybe Bush and Kerry have swapped brains til 03 Nov.

I look forward to it. 03 Nov that is.

BTW how do you plan fighting the drug war with a Republican administration in which you have no friends (having supported the other side)? Evidently Bush has more than enough negative brain power to hand out to whoever needs it.

Well any way I look forward to getting together in Nov and working on drug war issues.

Simon

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Join the Kerry Marijuana Decrim Thread:

 http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=61002&st=210

DdC

 Sep 21 2004, 03:53 AM

Curing the Junkies with Ibogaine or Ayahuasca by changing the mindset wouldn't be economically prudent for Bush Cheney Inc at this juncture. Or... Eliminating snitches who turn in medicinal Ganja easy busts. In most places junkies still have to share needles, spreading AIDs, Hep C and other very expensive illness treatment profits. Damn commies trying to take jobs from tax paying jailors and Bush Prison Food Catering Services to over crowded cages while importing more. Bulk. Forced pisstest at $?$?$ a pop. And the stigma to separate the slackers and segregate the cultures that are inapropriate or threatening. The degenerate races. Removing junkies who are homeless wouldn't keep the "reminders" in the minds of the workers when they foolishly think of blowing whistles or raising wages. No junkies? Then who will we blame for poverty and the lack of funds? Or the main incentive to keep Ganja illegal. From leading kids to "hardrugs" instead of deserts being shot at protecting oil wells not needed.

 When Sherrifs retire they need a nice spread. Just harass the hippies until they are dead.
Forfeiture and confiscations, casting lots at Rainbow Farm.
http://www.mapinc.org/find?200

Who DARE suggests we replace the gutter junkies as low wage employed citizens when Bush Prison Inc can make more profits caging, along with what comes back in taxes. Junkies who over dose from inconsistant purity or from adulterated street dope gives the Pat Falwell Robbers free hobgobblins. Something to point their crooked fingers at. Blame it on their sins and redeme them with a social security check payable to the Fortune 700 Club. Without junkies NA would shut down. Everyone laughs at those believing their addicted to pot. Come back when ya get a real addiction whoose! Ganja is the meat&potatoes of the war on some drugs. Hemp and FARM grown medicine competition seems like a legitament concern as aother reason for the Ganjawar. Insolence? Questioning authority seems to be a common thread among Ganja users from the pre Christ Scythians to the Hippies and Cannabists. May have also helped remove undesirables from the lynchings to the present day gestapo raids. By assassination or incarceration and their unenforced rapes and beating deterrents..

As rightwing religiously moral as small pox blankets wiping out the savages villages or from 30,000 feet carpet bombing Monsanto agent orange poisons and Napalm or the new and improved Depleted Uranium shell casings. Toxic Waste cost too much to store, make it a sweetner or dentrifice or fire retardant. Politicops borrowing money to pay for Ganjawars at billions in interest to International world Banksters. international Corporations. International World Trade Orchestrations. No sovereignty. One way street out while Americans keep paying with taxes. But it don't come back from a Caribean Tax Shelter Island. At least the growers feed the local economy. And the prices are set by risk and what one really needs to grip... Every, and I mean every bad thing said about Ganja is happening during prohibition. If its as bad as the Ganjawar mongers claim maybe its time to try something different. Why they insist on continuing what must be very threatening to them is beyond reason. By their own statistics in health or cost it just ain't working. The profits aren't seen outside of a paycheck that could be earned clearing fire hazards and dead wood as well as clearcutting rain forests. I'm not sure what the problem is with clean air and water? Or normally would I think anyone would have except keeping them clean sure is a battle. I assume its a biblical thing I must have overlooked. Slaughtering tons of animals that just consumed tons of grain that just consumes tons of chemicals and fresh water. While 98% of the Earth's water is salt and undrinkable and 98% of what is, is polluted or adulterated.

If they speak out too loud just deny their medicine...
The Murder of Peter McWilliams
http://tinyurl.com/2lmo2

Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do by Peter McWilliams
http://www.mcwilliams.com

Why outlaw something that would lessen foreign crude oil imports by

reducing cotton chemicals and crude poly fiber.
using hemp as a weed and bug deterrent and rotation crop and with its deep roots bringing natural fertilizers like worms and insect waste and decay. Reducing even more of the crude oil based herb and pesticides. And chemical fertilizers. Some very toxic and even radioactive.

Why can't Mexico grow hemp as Canada does and maybe give an alternative to crossing deserts for bus boy and fruit picking jobs? Though the incarceration profits are catching on so I suspect the preditor kids in gangs threat will make a come back to justify mandatory sentences for what? $50 grand profit per head a year to house a prisoner? Taxes back $10G? Anyone paying less seems a risk of becoming a product. Then the slave labor thats still legal in the US. Saving International corporations billions and the incentive is even more clear. Mo cogs. Eliminate the poor from tuition for life meaning more making less than the cost of incarceration.

Then we have the barter system of Askrist just us. Trading urine at $o much a week for life outside the bars on a leash with mandatory treatment you don't really need. At another fee. Finding a job ain't easy as it is let alone with a stigma of "victimless criminal"

Dow Corning Bunson Burners, Flasks and pipettes and beakers and fillers and binders and all kinds of other things sold to make synthetic ilicit drugs and not one of these Drug Cartels are charged with selling paraphernalia.
Tommy Chong sells glass art and gets 9 months plus and thousands of new careers blowing glass fizzled, off the streets and into Walters drug snare! Feel safe now?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I5FE26F28

NO ONE sells drugs in America. People go to sometimes uncomfortable lengths to buy drugs, noe need any selling. No demographics or expensive commercials. Just a usually satisfied customer.
Ganja growers provide more for the community than Bush. Thats a sad state of affairs. The Untied State of Anemica!

Ganja is clearly safer than booze if used responsibly, and thats not fasciously responsible when you profit on drunks crashing into healthy people. Ganja users are predominately anti synthetics and only the naive would attempt a comparison or graduation in some linear sense to booze. As surreal as a comparison with adulterated tobacco "products" Thousands of added chemicals for flame retardation, flavoring etc and tons of growing chemicals that simply aren't in true Ganja. The hampsters and environment-ally challenged segregating from sick and healthy users or "medicinal" factions segregating from hemp and healthy users. Over racist fascism with no real connections by any of the Universal Laws. Is the same insanity as the GOPerverts suffer from. In the case of Ganja its in the majority. Take little comfort in the fact that it really ain't the majorities fault. We teach what we are taught. When slot junkie Bennett is Education Secretary and Drug Czar and Author of a Bogeyman superpothead preditor kids on drugs book. One doesn't learn much about Ganja or hemp out of schoolbooks. When the diploma's lock the doors of truth and hide medical research and deny what other countries are divulging. Its only a matter of time before we free the 100th monkey ...
DdC

This was coincidentally in today's Ganjawarnews: 9-20-4
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/msg1x74039.shtml

Medicine hope for psychedelic drugs By Arran Frood
radtimes 15 August, 2004

Could illegal hallucinogenic drugs like LSD and psilocybin ever become
 credible prescription medicines?

It might sound far-fetched, but just a decade ago it seemed unlikely that the prohibited and mildly hallucinogenic drug cannabis would become a mainstream pain-killing medicine.

But it is happening: Cannabis pain-killing pills and sprays are being developed to help people with multiple sclerosis, cancer and Aids.

Now some scientists and psychotherapists think more powerful psychoactive drugs like psilocybin, found in 'magic mushrooms', could have a future as medicinal agents for a number of conditions.

In the US, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved, but not funded, a pilot study aiming to see if the euphoria and insight of a mild psychedelic 'trip' can ease the physical and emotional pain experienced by thousands of terminal cancer patients each year.

Charles Grob, Professor of Psychiatry and Paediatrics at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Centre, California, and lead scientist on the cancer-psilocybin trial, said: "There is great potential.

"A significant patient population may gain benefits from these treatments."

Professor Grob will be one of the first scientists in 25 years to administer psilocybin to a person in a therapeutic setting.

He wants to see if people's lives can be improved if psychoactive drugs are used under carefully controlled conditions. continued...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3528730.stm
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 "a-motivation [is] a cause of heavy marijuana smoking rather than the reverse"
Dr. Andrew Weil (Rubin & Comitas Ganja in Jamaica, 1975)
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What No One Wants to Know About Marijuana
http://deoxy.org/pdfa/marijuana.htm

US: Why I Support Medical Marijuana, by Dr. Andrew Weil
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n676.a02.html

Stop The Federal War On Medical Marijuana by Dr. Andrew Weil
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0606-03.htm

No Bad Drugs: The Newservice Interview: Dr. Andrew Weil
http://www.doitnow.org/pages/weil.html

Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts
http://www.hereinstead.com/sys-tmpl/resources

Therapeutic Hemp Oil by Andrew Weil, M.D.
http://www.ratical.com/renewables/TherapHoil.html

Weil Says LSD Cured His Allergy
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread8882.shtml

Andrew Weil on medical uses of Ecstasy, MDMA, by Dan Skeen
http://www.myprimetime.com/health/fearless...g/content/aweil

From Chocolate to Morphine by Dr. Andrew Weil
Everything You Need to Know About Mind-Altering Drugs.
http://www.erowid.org/library/books/from_chocolate.shtml

Stoned scientists
http://www.hempbc.com/articles/2783.html

Dr. Andrew Weil of the University of Arizona College of Medicine states, "There is not a shred of hope from history or from cross-culture studies to suggest that human beings can live without psychoactive substances." Bees drop to the ground after having nectar from certain orchards. Birds get drunk off berries and then fly into windows. After cats sniff certain plants they swing at imaginary objects. Certain range weeds will make cows shake, twitch, and stumble back for more. Elephants purposely get drunk on fermented fruits..."
======= and...
Cannabis anti-addictive
http://www.cures-not-wars.org/leshner.html

The Ibogaine Story online
http://www.cures-not-wars.org/ibogaine/iboga.html

Erowid: ibogaine
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml

12/25/02 JAMA Article about Ibogaine
http://www.cures-not-wars.org/jamaarticle.pdf

IDB

Sep 21 2004, 12:07 PM

QUOTE
thyme - i didn't just see this in my friends... the majority of the 3000 people i went to highschool with were users. that may sound hard to believe, but this school is in a wealthier part of town. most of the kids dont have to work, and they have a lot of time on their hands. i saw the whole gateway thing in many of them as well.

this also goes the other way... i know many peple that smoke weed, yet don't do harder drugs.

is it possible that the gateway theory only applies to some? what i am saying is that i have seen a lot of peple go from weed to harder and potentialy lethal drugs


With Ibogaine, they go from hard drugs to pot, which is a lot less dangerous. Most ibogaine treatments currently are for methadone detox. Nothing else turns a 110 millegram methadone client into a medical marijuana patient in less than a week. You average uninformed physician would tell you it's impossible.

What I want to know is if you would rather have these people on methadone, with all of its addiction liability and attendent health problems (teeth & bones), its fatalities (1,000 a year in the U.S., compared to zero cannabis deaths worldwide) rather than medical marijuana simply because methadone is schedule 11, while cannabis remains schedule I due to being mixed up in the controversy around smoking?

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From: jasonburseyiboga@...

I had insomnia like crazy last night.  I was really tired, not just physically, but would just lay there getting frustrated at my inability to remember how to fall asleep.  I woke up a few hours ago and I feel a large weight...

After trying to ask "what is trying to happen here", I remembered talking with a family member about an event that happened a couple of months ago that was apparantly allot bigger then I remembered.  Passed out in p0ol, no heartbeat or breathing for a few minutes, friends CPRed me back, but not concious.  At the hospital I remained in a coma for 4 days.  I learned last night that the doctors were telling all my family that chances of making it back are unlikely, and that if I did, I would likely have brain damage, etc.
When I came out of the coma, I had tubes out of every hole and tubes in new holes they pricked.
 
So anyways, I'm talking to this family member last night and the look in her eyes...she said, "it was a miracle, a real miracle.  You were charming and light hearted and seemed to be without sickness" (opioid sickness).  "But then something changed and it came back."  She said this with this heavyness, hard to explain.  Like "I thought it was over but, sigh, it came back" type look.
 
I realized after thinking last night that they tell me I was given decent amounts of IV morphine when I came out but that was cut off after a couple of days.
 
I have very little respect for myself in this state of non-opioids.  I feel weak without them.  I feel fatigued without them.  I feel unreliable without them.  I don't know what to expect without them.  I don't know how to act without them.
 
I fucking hate this mahn.
 
Yes, things are getting better, but it is happening sooo ssslllooowwwly that I sometimes wonder if I would be better off, you know?
 
Then, I think about the details of what using opioids would mean in our current society (illegal heroin or "legal" methadone).  And the human manipulation that is attached to that.
 
That is the paradox.  Damned if you do.  Damned if you don't.
 
I guess it comes down to faith in my own abilities without opioids.
 
Fatigue gets old, real old.
 
How would you feel if people you cared about are starving emotionally because of your inability to be strong?
 
I'm feeling a bit like a burnout right now.
 
Anyways, thanks for reading me whine I guess.  I wonder if sending this is healthy or unhealthy.  Who knows.
 
Re: questions (more I learn the less I know[so true]); I'm reminded of that fixx song 'one thing leads to another'
 
Re: aftercare?  why assume what is true for one is true for all?
 
Re: "wisdom" cut teeth?, umm yeah, that hurts.
 
Re: right now?  I think I'm going to go watch VG's new movie; going with the chick who turned me on to heroin, but has since kicked and is going to school to be a nurse.  She is good people, and more importantly, she is real people.
 
Oh and if you don't post but only listen..../I probably shouldn't say.

From: myeboga@...

Jason,
 
Its unfortunate if I come across as believing I have all the answers. I don't and I can only pass on what I have learned through my own set of experiences. Enthusiasm for something that works does not equal arrogance for anything else.
 
However I do feel passionately that I have learned a great deal in my own area of interest and I back that up with actual tangible results.
 
There is a saying, "Healer heal thyself" and that I believe should be the the objective of all healers. Thats where real knowledge comes.
 
In my work I can stand over certain ideas with almost 100% certainty as I have seen the phenomenon within myself. Other ideas I put forward as ideas in motion - models to build upon. And yet others I have yet to explore.
 
The points I offered on the Healing Process are my observations as they occured in my use of Eboga. I have no qualms in saying I believe these phenomena will be repeatable for a large number of people. Yet again maybe it is someones Soul path to self-destruct. Well, I dont go there in judging anybody's individual program. Thats above my head.

I offer my ideas to enlarge the program and move beyond the present point. Thats how systems evolve and grow but only a fool would suggest anything is set in cement.
 
What I have come up with is a solid departure point and if someone refutes my arguments in order to return to the status quo (to hold onto an existing belief - as you rightly point out) I will fight them tooth and nail in the same way I would oppose burning witches at the stake. That is not to say my views are not unchangeable. In any case: Its not the view that counts but what it can do for you.

Hence why I am writing books with stories in them so that at some level what I have to say can be put into perspective and considered reasonable or not. Eboga is about Self Knowledge - not about learning from a book.
 
If you read my previous post you will see I agree with you on your view of how eager we can become about something that works. And in my writing I repeatedly say there is more than one way. But if I have found a path that I know very well, then I will withstand any effort to block the path to others through uninformed argument and I will trumpet its existence to the world and the millions suffering for lack of that knowledge.
 
On another note would you be kind enough to put forward any part of what I have wrote that bears out your point that I think I have all the answers? It would be good for me to be enlightened so I dont make this mistake repeatedly.
 
Nice to hear from you & thanks for being so honest.
 
Lee
 
BTW relapse into addiction is not a reflection of where one is on the healing program. Its a symptom of the pain and may very well be the last thing to go on the healing journey. Be careful to love yourself and not mix up intention with self-flagellation.
 
Also, abandonment is a major issue. There are many issues and each one is dealth with in its own good time. There is no one single profile of issues that we all fit.
 

booker w <swbooker@...> wrote:

    Lee, your book sounds fascinating and I can't wait to read it.  I am especially thinking about trying my own experiments with low-dose therapy since I continue to relapse.  Problem is, I don't really even want to quit relapsing at this time, so perhaps my intention is not really right yet.

    One other comment I feel like making, tho, is that when a person finds something that profoundly affects them for the better, we all seem to do the same thing - assume that what works for me, is the right answer for you.  12 step programs assume this, religions do this, and individuals most definitely do this, (myself included.)  I do notice in myself, tho, that when someone, anyone, thinks they "know" what I need, I am probably LESS likely to listen to them or try what they say.

    I am only bringing this up because, even tho your book and ideas intrigue me, Lee, it feels like you come across as if you have all the answers regarding "healing."  However, certainly I don't mean to be attacking you personally as pretty much all of us do the same thing - it just strikes me what a turn off I find it to be no matter how "right" the person's ideas may truly be.

    The other idea that all or most addicts have an "issue" regarding abandonment by the same-sex parent, I put in that same category as one problem/one answer.  It doesn't fit for me, and I suspect that if I gathered up 100 people at random with or without addictions, a large percentage would have abandonment issues with parents since our world's parenting in general is often pretty poor.

    So - those are some of my two cent ideas... it's all very interesting, tho, and I can't wait for Callie to have a turn at ibogaine!

    Best wishes to all,  Sandy

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Martin Bright, home affairs editor

Sunday September 19, 2004

The Observer

Drugs charities have accused the government of abandoning plans to set up a network of doctors prescribing pure heroin to addicts.

Two years ago, the Home Secretary, David Blunkett, announced that the number of licences issued to GPs entitled to prescribe heroin should be increased from less than 50 to 1,500 in an attempt to take the supply of the drug out of the hands of criminals.

The move was applauded by drugs organisations, which said the use of medical heroin - known as diamorphine - would help addicts control their chaotic lifestyle and stop them being sucked into crime to support their habit.

But new Home Office figures show that the number of prescribing doctors has barely doubled. The National Treatment Agency, the government body responsible for dealing with addiction, confirmed that, by March of this year, only 123 doctors were licenced to prescribe medical heroin.

The majority of Britain's GPs see at least one addict a month and a quarter treat heroin or cocaine addicts, but only a tiny minority are able to use heroin itself during treatment and most use the heroin substitute methadone.

The charity Drugscope said that the move towards prescribing heroin was derailed by the publicity surrounding Harold Shipman, the GP who murdered at least 215 of his patients using diamorphine. Shipman was jailed for life in 2000, but the inquiry into the case, led by Dame Janet Smith, has had a lasting impact on the medical profession.

Smith's fourth report, published in July, called for stricter controls to avoid the kind of stockpiling that allowed Shipman to build up his supply.

The debate over prescribing will be severely tested later this year by the investigation by the General Medical Council into seven doctors at the Stapleford clinic, a private treatment centre for addicts. The six men and one woman worked in centres in Belgravia, London and Stapleford Tawney, Essex and are charged with 'excessive and improper' prescribing.

The centre is alleged to have kept patients on lengthy courses of methadone, rather than cutting the supply sharply as recommended by NHS guide lines. The defendants include Dr Colin Brewer, the founder of the centre, who is recognised as an international expert in the field.

The plans to set up the network of prescribing GPs came after a Home Affairs Select Committee report found that drug misuse by Britain's 250,000 heroin addicts was fuelling drug crime worth £20 billion a year. The committee also recommended establishing safe 'shooting galleries' for addicts. But these have also failed to take off after councils failed to persuade residents that they would encourage addicts off the streets.

Drugscope spokeswoman Natasha Vromen said: 'These figures are disappointing. There were great hopes that the government and doctors were developing a drugs policy where the health aspects were brought to the fore. Unfortunately, it is now dominated by the crime agenda.'

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From: carlambarnes@...

Jason I wanted to say that I think all of us feel this
way even years after, the why am I even bothering
damned if you do and damned if you don't  think of
what your life was like right before you did ibogaine.
Not the good parts of being high or the positive
things it gave you, but think about right before you
did ibogaine and what it was like. That always works
and puts everything back into black and white for me
really fast!  It might not do it for you because I
don't know how bad things were, but that trick helps
me a lot.

Hi Lee, I'm not sure how I feel about everything you
have to say because i'm not carefully taking the time
to think about every little piece of your very long
posts. The reason I never get further into them is I
think perfectly written out by Frank I think in one
sentence it was, 'the ego can ride any horse' that was
perfect

I think you're a smart guy who means well, which
describes so many people here, but what I've noticed
over the years I've been here is that I think almost
all, or all (but I don't want to make a huge sweeping
statement which may be wrong, so I'm sticking with
almost all  of the people here who have worked with
ibogaine for a long time, get more mellow and less
know it all as time goes by, which was the 'the more I
learn the less i know' conversation.

That includes Frank, Eric, Sara, Patrick, Howard,
Nick, I think everyone here who really knows ibogaine.
They're all different people and go off about

different things at times, but from reading your site
and what you say, it seems alot like this huge
monument to your ego. Please understand I'm not
disrespecting you and I think you mean well, like
anyone who works with ibogaine, except it's almost
like the mirror image of mindvox, where other people
say great things about it and then Patrick tears it
down and makes fun of himself and everything else.
Your biography fills up pages, without every really
saying anything except you ran all over the place and

then did ibogaine.

Your whole attitude is just very.... off-putting, even
your last message, like you have some great big truth
that everyone has been waiting for, except I don't
somehow see you applying it to yourself I admit I
don't know you at all and you're obviously a smart
guy, but you just seem very arrogant and full of
yourself, which is not to say that any of the people I
mentioned before aren't sometimes arrogant or argue,
but with you it is like one long winded same thing.

Vector made fun of everyone here I think in a nice way
and welcomed you as another messianic author who
self-published books on ibogaine, but really that is a
lot what it seems like. Your site is so full of, I
won't say it. "The Eboga Process,"(TM) you wrote that
and you don't look like you understand how funny that
is.

Sorry but I somehow don't see whatever it is that
you've done as some goal that anybody wants to reach.
You might want to work on yourself a little bit before
self-publishing another 5 books in your Eboga Healing
Process(TM). I'm sorry, I can't read that without
cracking up, because Patrick does that all the time
with the TM and R's, except he's joking, you're really
not. This whole place is filled with people who have
been working with ibogaine for years or decades, I
don't think you can name one person who isn't here,
who knows about ibogaine and not one of them is
anywhere near as full of themselves as you.

Marc Emery (how is marc?) is humble compared to you! I
don't think I ever thought I would see that!

Carla B

From: HSLotsof@...

This citation just popped up on pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed
Use the search term "ibogaine"

I've just requested a copy of the full paper.  If anyone has it they may wish
to post it to the list for discussion.

Howard

J Psychoactive Drugs. 2004 Jun;36(2):191-9.    

Combating substance abuse with ibogaine: pre- and posttreatment
recommendations and an example of successive model fitting analyses.

Hittner JB, Quello SB.

College of Charleston, Charleston, South Carolina, USA. hittnerj@...

Ibogaine is an indole alkaloid derived from the root bark of the African
shrub Tabernan the iboga and it has been used for many years as a medicinal and
ceremonial agent in West Central Africa. Furthermore, both anecdotal
observations and recent studies suggest that ibogaine alleviates withdrawal symptoms and
reduces drug cravings. Although ibogaine articles typically include
information bearing on the duration of drug abstinence following treatment, little if
any attention is given to the psychological and environmental factors that might
facilitate a positive treatment outcome. Hence, a major purpose of the
present review is to suggest a number of theory-driven, pretreatment and
posttreatment recommendations that have good potential for enhancing ibogaine's
effectiveness. The second major purpose of this review is to demonstrate, through a
reanalysis of previously published results, the utility of conducting successive
model fitting analyses on ibogaine treatment data. Such analyses are useful
for determining both the strength and form of the association between
pre-ibogaine treatment variables and post-ibogaine treatment outcomes. Finally, in order
to facilitate future quantitative reviews, the authors recommend that a
minimum set of patient and treatment-related variables be included in all ibogaine

publications involving human participants.

From jimhadey3@...

Hi again Julian,
 
A friend of mine for 40+ years just died.  He spent 1/2 of his first two years of parole in them 90 day detox places.  They charge the state a lot of money for them and put maybe 6 in one bedroom (bunk beds).  It is all about money.

When people go on methadone they quit stealing, dealing, and selling themselves and other things that are not nice.  When people say look at all the money you spent on drugs,  now you don't want to spend money to get clean, they are talking to a rich or well to do person or they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
 

When you were a junkie how many people did you know that had over $100 on them, in the house or in the bank?  The only exception may be a dealer, for the theives and working girls it was a daily grind.  Any user knows that, of course that may not apply to movie stars or rock stars.  I knew a lot of people who lost EVERYTHING because of coke, including their freedom.  I know lawyers who went bankrup, embezzeled, and did time.  Pride comes before the fall.
 
When people say you spent thousands getting high, why not spend that money on treatment?  They mean well but really have no idea what the hell they are talking about.
We both know that as well as everyone on this forum.  Ultra Rapid Detox is a one or two day deal and it goes for $5000 or more.  Most any hospital where you just suffer goes for $3000 to $5000 per week.  Guys like us gotta take the county jail special.
 
Later Good Buddy,
 
  - JIM


Sapphirestardus@... wrote:

    Julie, you have pinned the problem with most of us. Even $2,000.00 is an incredible amount of money. I have always said in the past that when people remind you how much you have spent on getting high, they fail to realize what you did when you were an addict to get money, you would never do when you stop getting off! This is a major problem for alot of people right now and as a matter of fact, it appears even other forms of detox and drug treatment are very expensive. I know this is not true for everyone, but there are obviously some people willing to take advantage of desperate people in desperate situations. Thank God for people like Sara.

                                                                Julian

From: jimhadey3@...

Hi Julian,
 
Kinda funny, they won't put you in a iboga detox place for $2000 to $10,000 and "fix" you

but they will gladly put in jail for $30,000 a year.  Do you know America put more of it's population in jail than any other county?  Yep, more than Russia, Cuba, North Korea and Red China.  I would of been to Sara's months ago but my Lear Jet is on the blink.  To make matters worse the guys I loaned my Yacht to brought it back on empty.

Later,
 

  - JIM

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