Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:21:05 -0500
To: greenpartydrugsgroup@...
From: Dana Beal
Subject: MMM 2004 #13: Pentagon Endorses Guantanamo for Anti-Hemp
Environmental Criminals; Lexington, Ventura, Yuba City Make 131 Cities on
the Spring Offensive!
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So far, 131  Cities are Signed up for 2004 .

MAYDAY IS JAY-DAY!

(This year, the first Saturday of May falls on May 1. We are recommending Sunday, May 2 or Monday May 3 in cities where there is significant conflict with other local events--or as a rain date. Of course, we understand that some schools have to do it on 4/20 because their school year is over by May, and that some northern cities have to do it a little later in May...)

albany
albuquerque

amherst

amsterdam

ashland

athens

atlanta

auckland

austin

bakersfield

basel

bergen

berlin

berne

boone

bratislava

bremen

buenos aires

buffalo

burlington

capetown

chico
christchurch
cincinnati

cleveland

cologne

columbia

dallas

darmstadt

darwin

dayton

des moines
detroit
dover

dublin

dunedin

eau claire

eugene

fairbanks

fayetteville

flint

frankfurt

ft. lauderdale

geneva

halifax

hearst

helsinki

hilo

houston

hull

kansas city

kingston

kristiansand

lansing

las vegas

lausanne

lebanon

leipzig

leon

levin

lexington

lima

londnn

lucerne

mexico city

minneapolis

missoula

montpelie

montreal

moscow

napier

nashville

newark

new orleans

newton

new york

nimbin

ogden

omaha

orlando

oslo

paducah

paris

parkersburg

perth

philadelphia

phoenix

portland

portland

potsdam

prague

raleigh-durham

rapid city

richmond

rio de janero

roanoke

rome

rosario

sacramento

salt lake city

san diego

san francisco

san juan

san marcos

sao paulo

spokane

springfield

stavanger

st. louis

sturgeon falls

tallahassee

tampa

tel aviv

thunder bay

toronto

tokyo

traverse city

trondheim

tucson

tupelo

turku

upper lake

vancouver

ventura

vienna

washington, d.c.

wellington

wichita

wilmington

yuba city

zurich

Help us reach our goal of 300 cities worldwide!

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact info and email me back telling me to add yr city to the List at the top of this email. By the way, I lost about three weeks email not long after last year's event, and have had intermittent email service since that time.. Did anything happen on the first Saturday of May in your area? Numbers? Arrests? Media? Anything of interest happen, etc?

You can also call me at 212-677-4899--or leave a message on 212-677-7180.

Dana/cnw

P.S.: We are also interested in adding to our list of prestigious endorsers, which consists of pot activists well-known in their city or country. We need a name and phone number for each. Any suggestions?

P.P.S: We need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster.  If you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

 

HELP RAISE MONEY FOR THE MILLION MARIJUANA MARCH--BOOK A YIPPIE SPEAKER!

Recently we wrote you that we need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster--and that if you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

You can help. Go to http://www.yippiespeakers.com  Here's the good news: 20% of all speaker fees go to printing and operating expenses for the MMM 2004. (If you can get me booked personally it's 100%.)

Some of these speakers like Grace Slick and Hunter Thompson get $25,000 just for appearing at yr local university! (Some like Dennis Peron are available for a few thousand) Your local group gets 4% finders' fee.

What we need you to do is contact yr local on-campus activists and have them agitate their student affairs folks in charge of outside speakers  (or equivalent) to book some of our speakers. It's important to clarify that we are NOT  asking them to get this from the budget of their NORML or SSDP chapter, but from the campus office that books outside speakers. (At Kent State they call it the Office of Student Life, and they paid me $4,000 for a three hour appearance, which went straight to the printer.)

It's a good year for it. Things have come full-circle for Yippie! We have all the elements--an illegitimate  Republican President everyone hates at home, a quagmire war abroad--for the first time  since the '70's. And best of all, even though all our speakers support cannabis and oppose the drug war, they are Yippie, not legalization speakers, so you won't have to deal with demands from the university administration that you find some anti-drug speaker for "Balance" or you don't get the booking. (Since we are moving toward protests against the Republican Convention in NYC next August, to be fair they'd have to demand an opponent of protests, period, which is absurd.)

If you have a hot prospect,  email me right back; but since  about half of everything sent to this address "bounces", be sure to also put in a call to the speakers bureau at 212-677-7180, and leave a message if no one picks up.

Dana/cnw

*****!!!Cannabis Liberation Day--Mayday Weekend 2004:  Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: "Andrew Byrne" <ajbyrne@...>
To: "Andrew Byrne" <ajbyrne@...>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Do cannabis withdrawals need drug therapy? Controlled trial from
America.



>> Pharmacotherapy for Marijuana Dependence: A Double-blind,
>> Placebo-controlled Pilot Study of Divalproex Sodium. Levin FR, McDowell
>> D, Evans SM, Nunes E, Akerele E, Donovan S, Vosburg SK. American J
>> Addiction (2004)13:21-32
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Negative research findings can be just as important as positive ones.
>> This is especially so in well conducted placebo-controlled, randomised
>> intervention trials. A recently published trial from the group at
>> Columbia University in Manhattan has shown no significant effects using
>> a mood-stabilising anti-convulsant, divalproex, in cannabis withdrawal
>> subjects.
>>
>> Despite finding no effect from the drug treated group, for some reason
>> these veteran researchers do not say as much in their abstract. One has
>> to read this sentence in the abstract to glean the important message of
>> the article: "Regardless of treatment group, patients reported a
>> significant reduction in their frequency and amount of marijuana use as
>> well as a reduction in irritability."
>>
>> These researchers stress their positive findings, corroborating other
>> reports regarding cannabis: (1) There are many members of western
>> communities who perceive that they have cannabis dependency, (2) many
>> such citizens are interested in treatment options, (3) such subjects
>> will attend and comply well with recommended treatment and (4) most will
>> reduce (or cease) their drug consumption during such interventions,
>> regardless of their nature.
>>
>> Any drug used to counteract cravings or withdrawals must have a safety
>> profile which is in measure with the safety profile of the drug of
>> dependence being treated. As well as such safety, such a drug must also
>> be effective. This trial shows convincingly that divalproex, although a
>> drug with some promise for cocaine withdrawals, is not a useful drug for
>> symptoms of cannabis withdrawal. Cannabis is a harmful drug, causing
>> dependence in a proportion of users and causing damage to the upper
>> respiratory tract if smoked. The scope for harm appears to be low for
>> most users, and is much lower than the harm which occurs in the
>> 'average' tobacco smoker.
>>
>> These authors (or the journal's editors) use the lay term marijuana for
>> some reason, only rarely using the correct scientific term, cannabis, in
>> their text.
>>
>> There is also a problem with the formal DSM criteria for cannabis
>> dependency in the USA. The definitions (304.30 and 305.20) involve (1)
>> the time spent acquiring the drug, (2) interference with family,
>> schooling, work or 'recreation' (sic!) and (3) legal consequences of
>> possession and consumption of the drug. Thus some of the subjects in
>> this trial, if given access to cheap, unadulterated cannabis as in
>> Holland, may not have satisfied the same criteria and thus been
>> categorized as having cannabis 'problems' rather than cannabis
>> 'dependency'.
>>
>>
>> Levin FR, McDowell D, Evans SM, Nunes E, Akerele E, Donovan S, Vosburg
>> SK. Pharmacotherapy for Marijuana Dependence: A Double-blind,
>> Placebo-controlled Pilot Study of Divalproex Sodium. American J
>> Addiction (2004)13:21-32
>>
>> comments by Andrew Byrne ..
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dr Andrew Byrne,
>> Medical Practitioner, Dependency Medicine,
>> 75 Redfern Street, Redfern,
>> New South Wales, 2016, Australia
>> Email - ajbyrneATozemail.com.au
>> Tel (61 - 2) 9319 5524 Fax 9318 0631

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: goldyz@...

Hi Dana,

Friday, February 13, 2004, 11:41:59 PM, you wrote:

DB> Dear Russian Comrades:

DB> This year we're experimenting with digital technology and sending
DB> every city doing a Million Marijuana March event a CD-Rom with a
DB> digital printready copy of our official 2004 poster--"MAYDAY IS JAY
DB> DAY"--in photoshop.  It ought to be readable on a PC as well.
DB> unfortunately we do not have yr address.

New site version:

www.4may.by.ru

Have U a news?
-------------

From: rismik@...

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact
info and email me back telling me to add yr city to the List at the
top of this email.

Turku: Vihreet Pantterit http://www.vihreetpantterit.org
info@... 300 participants in '02. 10
counter-demonstrators.

Post address:
Vihreet Pantterit ry.
PL 204
20101 Turku 10
Finland

We are going to organise our event on 8.5.

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TV Commercial Supports Burlington's Question 9
Source: Common Dreams February 24, 2004 
Washington -- A new television commercial supporting Question 9 on Burlington's March 2
primary ballot debuts Tuesday, February 24, on Adelphia Cable Television in Burlington.
 The commercial features multiple sclerosis patient Mark Tucci of Manchester Center,
who uses medical marijuana to ease his symptoms, with the approval of his physicians.
"I am a criminal," Tucci says in the ad. "I buy from the black market." Under current
Vermont law, possession of any amount of marijuana can bring six months in jail, with
no exception for seriously ill patients. Cultivation of as few as three plants is a
felony punishable by three years in prison, again with no exception for patients such
as Tucci.

Read More...  http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread18394.shtml

*******
Part II: Kerry and Marijuana Policy By Al Giordano
Source: Big Left Outside February 29, 2004
This is Part II in my ongoing memo, John Kerry and Drug Policy 101, attempting to get
past the superficial treatment that  the Commercial Media and some activist groups
(especially those of the "beautiful loser" category who fear they'll be out of business
when we finally win) alike offer when it comes to the nexus of electoral politics and
drug policy.   Part I - Kerry and Medical Marijuana - discussed the position of the
likely Democratic Party presidential nominee regarding medical marijuana, compared to
those of his rivals.

Read More...  http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread18418.shtml
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From: njweedman@...

http://www.courierpostonline.com/news/southjersey/m022504q.htm
 
Appeals court sides with activist

Wednesday, February 25, 2004

It overturned a ruling barring name change

By JIM WALSH
Courier-Post Staff

A marijuana activist won a round Tuesday in his fight to change his name to NJWeedman.com.

A three-judge appeals panel overturned a lower-court ruling that barred the switch sought by Edward Forchion Jr., 39, of Browns Mills.

Forchion will appear in Superior Court in Camden to argue in person for the name change, which the Camden County Prosecutor's Office opposes.

The appeals court said the lower-court decision was flawed because Forchion was required to submit his arguments in writing while an assistant prosecutor appeared in person before Superior Court Judge Allan Vogelson.

At the time of the February 2002 hearing, Forchion was serving a term in state prison for possession of marijuana.

"The state got to tear apart my brief," said Forchion, who has since been released from prison. "I was denied my right to present my position adequately."

Forchion said his proposed name change, originally intended as an "advertising gimmick" to promote his views and a Web site that he runs, has become a First Amendment issue.

"How can the government tell me what I can name my body?" asked Forchion, who argued his own case before the appeals court. A frequent political candidate, Forchion said he wants to be listed on ballots as NJWeedman.com.
ADVERTISEMENT - CLICK TO ENLARGE OR VISIT WEBSITE

Advertise with us!

But Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said the name change is intended to promote illegal drug sales via the Internet.

"We anticipate that, if Mr. Forchion's application is granted, our office will be besieged by applications promoting all manner of illegal professions," Sarubbi said Tuesday.

Reach Jim Walsh at (856) 486-2646 or jwalsh@...

____________________________________________________________________

Edward "njweedman" Forchion
Candidate for New Jersey's
3rd Congressional District
U.S. Marijuana Party
( http://www.tlmp.org )

Imprisoned for 5months for saying end the "WAR ON DRUGS"

( http://www.njweedman.com/censorship.htm

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From:  wh717@...

Hello I need your help to send this message far and wide I was talking to Valarie Corral from www.wamm.org this after noon we talked about the vigil @ 8:00pm 3-5-2004 at Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia,PA Lighting a candle for deceased and living Medical Marijuana Patients Val will be sending this message far and wide and she will be lighting a candle at 5:00pm on 3-5-2004 and any one else who can't make it light a candle coast to coast together we can make a difference William Haney

----

From: Gatewood Galbraith
To: dana@...
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: MMM and other questions...

Hi Dana...Long time, no see. Add Lexington, Ky. to May Day 2004. 10a.m. to Noon. Please put us on the list.
     Also, do you know where I can get the three major new studies on cannabis and driving? Do you have copies of those studies? I have several trials coming up and the prosecutors nearby are really gunning for me. Let me know one way or the other please. Take Care Dana. America needs you. Gatewood

--------

From: ajarchuleta@...

I live in the Denver area, and there's nothing going on in our town, why?

I'll tell you why nothing is happening in Denver -

because if anyone knew about the legalization of Marijuana, like it is
here in my home, the entire nation would be smoking, growing, dispensing,
legally and tax-deductible to boot. A 400 year old aboriginal native
american religion qualifies, and so do I. And so does the Spiritual
Ceremony begun 400 years ago with a Religious item, the sacred Peace Pipe
filled with Sacred Incense.

Free ID cards for anyone and everyone that wants to become a member of
the Sanctuary of the White Buffalo Calf Woman. The only requirement of
the Religion and legal "church" was the promise to smoke the Peace Pipe
with the Sacred Incense, until her return. A sacred promise to a
messenger from God in America 400 years ago. Government doesn't want
anyone to know.  

The Lakota sold her out therefore being allowed to raise marijuana crops
several years back. They changed the name of the Pipe, changed the
Prophecy, forbid anyone to mention her name. They, they ran a plea for
help in your newsletter to save the crops on the Rez'  from the DEA that
let them grow the crops, then took 'em. Remember? It was in your
newsletter, and i wrote you then, and you seemed disinterested for some
reason. You didn't run my response. I had a website you could visit. I
thought you were trying to legalize marijuana.

People should realize they shouldn't serve the bad guys. Bad guys lie.
They don't give a hoot about you, they take care of themselves. You must
be a government employee, or we'd have this marijuana problem solved,
case closed, back when I wrote to you the first time. However, silver
lining, you've had time to see how fruitless your efforts have been.

Let me tell you of a little coincidence that happened back then when i
started my "church" and wrote to you and others of the marijuana ilk -
three days later headlines ran, "Medical Marijuana before Supreme Court".
Three days later. And that's what i was trying to tell you. If you

threaten the government with the "aboriginal religious spiritual
ceremony", they'll let you guys have anything you want. Just to keep this
religion, and me, quiet.

I'm telling you now, I was in the right place, right time, for the
prophecy, the Lakota informed me i was that woman in '91, and I accepted
it about ten years later. I tried to be "sane" like everyone else, and it

wasn't until i allowed all that was inside me to come out, which is

Spiritual growth, did i realize what the Indians had told me ten years
prior. So don't think i'm Insane, or crazy, i didn't accept it either,
for ten years. Even though i knew it was true somewhere inside. So i
don't really blame you for not believing me. I didn't either, for ten
years.

That's all i have to say. I'm in a cage with invisible bars trying to get
emails to people that might actually be on the Good Guys side. The neat
thing is, it's all Legal. I can take on the Supreme Court, it's so legal.

I'm so brimming with damning legal evidence I'm a "threat to the security
of this nation."

Don't you think, passing the ID cards around to everyone on the May Days,
is a good idea? Give everyone one. And see what happens. Everyone gets
out of jail, and everyone gets a tax deduction and everyone is smoking,
and the programming of the government becomes non-functional on the

public mind. Voila! World is saved. By Women.

And we can do it. But i need help to get the ID cards to everyone.  How
bout it?
Could you run them in your newsletter?
Or even run this plea in your newsletter? With the cards.
I don't know the proper procedure for doing this. Is this it? Emergency
procedures?

Let's do it for all those that need it medically, or for those sitting in

jail, and those unjustly treated, for them, and all those in the future.

I'm bona fide, 100%, honest, blunt, and telling you the truth. This is
really, for real.  The religion is for real, I am for real, the evidence
is for real, the laws protect the legality. They cannot go back on their
own laws. Same, same. I'm as immune and tax-deductible as the Pope.

I'm going to have to recompose the cards, since my computer went out a
few days ago with my files. So i'll send those later. It's Saturday
night. I'll probably have it to you before Monday. It's pretty simple
actually. People can make copies and hand them out to their friends.
Anyone can have one. The only requirement is that they smoke the Pipe
until the End of Days.

I realize it may sound corny, crazy, left field, or whatever, but it's
real. Really, really, real. It satisfies all conditions of the Law, both
Federal and International, NATO, Law.  Native American Aboriginal
Religious Spiritual Ceremony. All requirements are met AND it protect all
Races, since the Lakota sold her out. Neener. Even if, anyone would try
to say that i'm a fraud, or insane, all conditions have still been met to
legalize smoking marijuana.

Thank you for your consideration. I'll get the cards to you as soon as
possible. And thank you. And if you can't help, do you know anyone that
could? Know anyone sitting in jail that has a lawyer and wants out real
quick? Could you forward the letter and cards to them? Thanks.

Peace, Love, Dove

Rebecca S. Harrison, D. D.
Executive Director of Santuary of Sophos and Sanctuary of the White

Buffalo Calf Woman

 

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From: reeferrevelation@...

Hi, I wanted to inform you that we will be having an open rally/protest in Ventura for 2004.  I am going backpacking and will be away for the next few weeks, but will gather the details to let you know an exact time and date for our event.  Also, I/we rap in a band called Reefer Revelation, we will send you one of our cds, is the correct address the 9 bleecker st. ?  thanx and ill talk to you soon
peace love legalization
amber & dayna
--------------

From: bcmcp95954@...

Yuba City, CA. Smack dab in good ol boy territory,
whom do not fully agree to our Calif laws. We have
been networking with patients there, and I am a life
long resident of Yuba as well. I am quite sure we can
get a good walk going there!

Let us know!

DC

********************

*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

***********************

 Now the Pentagon Tells Bush: Climate Change Will Destroy Us

Secret Report Warns of Rioting and Nuclear War; Threat to the World is Greater than Terrorism

By Mark Townsend and Paul Harris

February 22, 2004 by the Observer/UK

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4864237-102275,00.html

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a

global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars

and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defense chiefs and

obtained by The Observer, warns that major European

cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is

plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear

conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting

will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could

bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries

develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling

food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global

stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the

few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of

life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again,

warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush

administration, which has repeatedly denied that

climate change even exists. Experts said that they will

also make unsettling reading for a President who has

insisted national defense is a priority.

 

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon

defense adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held

considerable sway on US military thinking over the past

three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent

review aimed at transforming the American military

under Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific

debate to a US national security concern', say the

authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head

of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug

Randall of the California-based Global Business

Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is

 'plausible and would challenge United States national

security in ways that should be considered

immediately', they conclude. As early as next year

widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create

major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire

from a large body of respected scientists who claimed

that it cherry- picked science to suit its policy

agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like.

Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that

suppression of the report for four months was a further

example of the White House trying to bury the threat of

climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their

verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to

accept climate change as a real and happening

phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United

States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate

of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the

White House to voice their fears over global warming,

part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat

the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer

that American officials appeared extremely sensitive

about the issue when faced with complaints that

 America's public stance appeared increasingly out of

touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to

complain about some of the comments attributed to

Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific

adviser, after he branded the President's position on

the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks

were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief

environmental adviser to the German government and head

of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the

Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research. He said

that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the

'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic

change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the

Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to

liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism

- said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of

message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and

former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could

no longer be ignored.

 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to

blow off this sort of document. Its hugely

embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority

is national defense The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal

group, generally speaking it is conservative. If

climate change is a threat to national security and the

economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the

Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby

and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a

hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a

Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary

when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this

issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet

is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By

2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy

supply will become increasingly harder to overcome,

plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200

years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop

failure, famine, disease and mass migration of

populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential

ramifications of rapid climate change would create

global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It

is a national security threat that is unique because

there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no

control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to

prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly

where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow

and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate

change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting

the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said,

that they may prove vital in the US elections.

Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept

climate change as a real problem. Scientists

disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to

make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his

campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings

will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon

legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to

weighing risks to national security called the Office

of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders

who respect his vast experience, he is credited with

being behind the Department of Defense's push on

ballistic- missile defense

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political

interference, said that the suppression of the report

was a further instance of the White House trying to

bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another

example of why this government should stop burying its

head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to

high- powered energy and oil companies was vital in

understanding why climate change was received

skeptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is

ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of

large energy and oil companies,' he added.

= = = = =

Key findings of the Pentagon Report \

· Future wars will be fought over the issue of survival rather than

religion, ideology or national honor.

· By 2007 violent storms smash coastal barriers rendering large parts of

the Netherlands inhabitable. Cities like The Hague are

abandoned. In California the delta island levees in the

Sacramento river area are breached, disrupting the

aqueduct system transporting water from north to south.

· Between 2010 and 2020 Europe is hardest hit by

climatic change with an average annual temperature drop

of 6F. Climate in Britain becomes colder and drier as

weather patterns begin to resemble Siberia.

· Deaths from war and famine run into the millions

until the planet's population is reduced by such an

 extent the Earth can cope.

· Riots and internal conflict tear apart India, South

Africa and Indonesia.

· Access to water becomes a major battleground. The

Nile, Danube and Amazon are all mentioned as being high

risk.

 

· A 'significant drop' in the planet's ability to

sustain its present population will become apparent

over the next 20 years.

· Rich areas like the US and Europe would become

'virtual fortresses' to prevent millions of migrants

from entering after being forced from land drowned by

sea-level rise or no longer able to grow crops. Waves

of boatpeople pose significant problems.

· Nuclear arms proliferation is inevitable. Japan,

South Korea, and Germany develop nuclear-weapons

capabilities, as do Iran, Egypt and North Korea.

Israel, China, India and Pakistan also are poised to

use the bomb.

· By 2010 the US and Europe will experience a third

more days with peak temperatures above 90F. Climate

becomes an 'economic nuisance' as storms, droughts and

hot spells create havoc for farmers.

· More than 400m people in subtropical regions at grave

risk.

· Europe will face huge internal struggles as it copes

with massive numbers of migrants washing up on its

shores. Immigrants from Scandinavia seek warmer climes

to the south. Southern Europe is beleaguered by

refugees from hard-hit countries in Africa.

· Mega-droughts affect the world's major breadbaskets,

including America's Midwest, where strong winds bring

soil loss.

· China's huge population and food demand make it

particularly vulnerable. Bangladesh becomes nearly

uninhabitable because of a rising sea level, which

contaminates the inland water supplies.

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

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Shiite Leader Threatens Intifada Against U.S.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/022604A.shtml

From: sara119@...

 My daughter  is dyslectic , she is 9 years old she needs a special reading lessons  individually. An

American  initiate of mine , who has PHD , in health care providing , said that in the U.S she will be given Ritalin. When she was 7 years old, she was frustrated that other kids could read but she couldn't .

Now, with a little more attention she's very happy to be able to read. You can't medicate frustrations,

And frustrations can grow both ways  it can be come a wake up call  activate your creative side or gets you depressed.

When starting to medicate the chance that the frustration will get you creative is 0.

That is what the Pharmaceuticals rather have. You become dependant on all kind of medication

And that's normal , tolerated .as long as the kids sit down and shut up then it is fine.

But since my daughter doesn't get any medication she found her own way of exploration, Art.

She can be painting , drawing and giving remarks to the Iboga initiates ,which are very inspiring.

Her paintings are very colourful and joyful to look at.  her confidence is back.

When you are confident with your abilities to perform , express your inner world  you would find healing.(I think).

 for some Ritaling is the answer but wouldn't you look for alternatives if you got the choice ?

In my four years of initiating people with Iboga  I found out that many of  the ex- Ritalin users (as kids)

Like to use cocaine as adults .  Does anyone think there is a connection ?

Pharmaceutical blackmail       

By Vin Suprynowicz
web posted August 21, 2000

About that "zero drug tolerance" policy in our schools: Does it really mean what it says? Or would it come closer to the truth for school administrators to admit what they really oppose are pushers offering competing consciousness-altering substances?

Do our public schools today constitute a kind of official, tax-supported dope monopoly which will even threaten to take children away from parents should they refuse to go along with the mind-numbing nostrums which our schoolmasters themselves now press on nearly a quarter of our young boys, the better to keep those valuable but restless butts planted in their seats?

The Albany Times Union, in a May 7 copyrighted story, tells what happened to parents Michael and Jill Carroll of Albany, N.Y., when they tried to take their son, 7-year-old Kyle, off the Ritalin.

Kyle Carroll was first prescribed Ritalin last year, after he fell behind at school. Teachers drew up an Individualized Education Plan, a standard course of action for children with "special needs." But last fall, when Kyle started second grade, the Ritalin didn't seem to be doing much good.

Furthermore, the Carrolls grew concerned that Kyle was only sleeping about five hours a night and eating just one meal a day -- lunch. So they told school officials they wanted to take Kyle off the Ritalin for two weeks to see if that helped.

That's when they got a call, and then a visit, from a Child Protective Services worker, based on a complaint from Kyle's school guidance counselor.

The charge? "Child abuse," in the form of "medical neglect." In plain English? Expressing doubts about keeping their child on dope.

As a result, the Times Union reports the Carrolls are now on a statewide list of alleged child abusers, and find themselves "thrust into an Orwellian family court battle to clear their name and ensure their child isn't removed from their home."

The child remains on the medication, "in part because they fear child welfare workers will take him away if they don't," the Albany daily reports.

Furthermore, the Albany paper found the Carrolls' case is far from unique, reporting: "Public schools are increasingly accusing parents of child abuse and neglect if they balk at giving their children medication such as Ritalin, a stimulant being prescribed to more and more students."

The American Academy of Pediatrics reports as many as 3.8 million schoolchildren, mostly boys, have now been diagnosed with the newly-coined "ADHD" -- attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder -- a psychiatric "disease" with symptoms to which most of our grandparents would have responded by simply smiling: "Boys will be boys." Or perhaps by asking, "Could it be that he finds your school boring? Does it really make sense to spend three or four years teaching reading, a skill easily mastered in six weeks if you'd just use phonics?"

At least a million children now take Ritalin for this "disorder." In two school districts near Virginia Beach, Va., for instance, a 1999 study by psychologist Gretchen LeFever found fully 20 percent of white boys in the fifth grade in the 1995-96 school year were receiving prescription drugs for ADHD. And even the AAP acknowledged in a recent study that many cases are misdiagnosed.

"This thing is so scary," says Patricia Weathers, of Millbrook, a suburb of Poughkeepsie, N.Y. Officials at the Millbrook school district called police and child protective services when she took her 9-year-old son, Michael Mozer, off medications earlier this year.

Weathers reported her child's prescribed drug cocktail -- including Ritalin, the anti-depressant Paxil, and Dexedrine (another stimulant, like Ritalin) caused her boy -- now attending a private school -- to hallucinate.

"Absent evidence that the lives of children are at stake when they're not on Ritalin," USA Today editorialized this week, "no arm of the state should be ramming the drug treatment down parents' -- and children's -- throats."

Amen to that. The underlying problem here is the notion that children belong first to the state -- that they're best "socialized" in state-run institutions, and that biological parents are allowed to retain custody only at the discretion of school and "child welfare" officials, who after all have "professional diplomas," and thus "know best."

No free country can long operate under such a presumption, with its inevitable corrosive effect on the family. And this -- at least as much as the corresponding academic failures of the public schools -- is what drives the large and growing movement for separation of school and state. (See: www.sepschool.org)

Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html.

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Sorry I couldn't post this last night before the CBS CSI Ibogaine episode aired, but I couldn't figure out how to get on this new thread. The episode actually was pretty good, except for the depiction of ibogaine activists as evangelists prowling back alleys in Vegas pushing ibogaine on people who scarcely know it exists. It IS still illegal in this country, which is why we insist upon sending addicts to Canada, and tell them if they want it here, they have to call their Congressperson and get them to change the law.

Here's the story from the NY DAILY NEWS:

CBS has provoked the wrath of a group of former junkies and their supporters who are spitting mad about tonight's episode of "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation."

Ex-cocaine and amphetamine user Dana Beal, who heads Cures Not Wars - which promotes the legalization of a substance called Ibogaine as a cure for drug addiction - told Lowdown that his 100-member group plans to stage a lunchtime protest today in front of Black Rock, the CBS corporate headquarters in midtown.

A CBS spokesman declined to comment yesterday.

The problem, Beal said, is that the "CSI" episode, titled "Getting Off," is rife with misinformation about Ibogaine, which is widely used around the world but illegal in the United States. "It has someone driving on Ibogaine, which you can't do!" Beal complained, noting that the drug induces a trancelike state.

"We would describe it as an addiction interrupter," said Beal, whose group has been campaigning for Food and Drug Administration approval. "When you are in the throes of it you are in 'sleep paralysis' - you are awake but your body is asleep. ... When the Ibogaine effect wears off, you don't go back into withdrawal. Once you come down from it, you are normal."

Even worse, Beal said, tonight's show depicts a cultlike underground program apparently based on Cures Not Wars. "The episode has someone selling Ibogaine. But it's absolutely forbidden. We could get investigated by the DEA. We don't need that headache right now!"

Personally, I haven't heard the word Ibogaine since 1972, when Rolling Stone correspondent Hunter S. Thompson famously accused Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie of abusing the drug - an alkaloid powder derived from the root bark of an exotic African shrub.

Thompson, maybe under the influence of something himself, wrote that the "Ibogaine Effect" was a "serious factor" in Muskie's losing campaign. He claimed that Muskie was "far gone in a bad Ibogaine frenzy."

So far in the 2004 campaign, the only evidence of an "Ibogaine effect" came during the Wisconsin primary race, when a Cures Not Wars activist in Madison handed a brochure to Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Democratic front-runner John Kerry.

"She came back and got two more copies, and she said she was giving one to John," Beal said. Calls and E-mails to the Kerry campaign were not answered.

or copy this link for the story (includes photo of dana)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/168145p-146864c.html

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Reading that same Giordano piece on Kerry's drug war position, which the rest of you apparently only mined for its cannnabis content, I came across the following, which is considerably broader than than medical marijuana, and speaks to a lot of the other concerns that have been raised here:


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JK: We have never had a legitimate War on Drugs in the United States, ever, and we won't until we have treatment on demand for addiction and until you have full drug education in our schools. The mandatory-minimum-sentencing structure of our country is funneling people into jail who have no business being there.


Of course the only way you'll ever have on-demand treatment is to fast-track FDA approval of Ibogaine, the way AIDS drugs were fast-tracked. All the other modalities necessitate huge waiting lists, because they're so time-consuming, because they don't really WORK.


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The last one just committed suicide because she was heartbroken about the fact that her daughter died two years ago from a coke OD. She was also financially bankrupt from all of the clinics and rehab programs that she put her daughter in over a period of six years.


Any effective medical treatment for the broad spectrum of addictions addressed by Ibogaine would quickly become the new gold standard of treatment (a niche now occupied by methadone), changing the whole way addiction is looked at, which is why I disagree to some extent with you, Sandy:


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I said the purpose of treatment is to get people to recognize and accept that they're an addict. Nobody is going to take Ibogaine unless they recognize and accept that they're an addict. You can't force medication on people. Treatment would still be necessary, so it makes no sense to say the treatment industry wants to block Ibogaine.

We've encountered all kinds of resistance and skepticism in the treatment community, much of it based on the understandable reluctance to assimilate a radically new approach. Its not just a matter of


QUOTE

those who rant against the crazy liberals who want treatment instead of prison sentences, even though the majority thinks the way we're approaching the drug problem is stupid.


If you can imagine the resistence of docs whose whole training is to manage opioid addiction with opiates, think of how much more controversial use of a psychedelic to treat addiction is going to be with church-based NA's in Texas, the main purpose of which is to deter pot use.


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Since cannabis prohibition causes the greatest increase in forced treatment and arrests each year it is the driving force behind the drug war. They are in many respects indivisible. The war on drugs is in large part a war on cannabis consumers.


Installation of Ibogaine as the new standard of treatment will revolutionize everything. Number one, the main beneficiaries will be alcoholics and nicotine addicts--because that's where the numbers are. Number two, it will finally force the public to differentiate cannabis from the other drugs, because Ibogaine is ineffective against cannabis (due to the fact that both are glutamate antagonists (blockers). In Canada and Holland, cannabis is even used as an adjuvant treatment WITH Ibogaine--for the nausea.

After Ibogaine treatment, people even frequently replace all other drugs with a mono-diet of marijuana, so that you could make the argument Ibogaine will eventually lead to cannabis replacing alcohol and cigarettes.

Strictly pharmacologically speaking, of course.

What people on this tread also have to understand is the tactical relevance of Ibogaine to another concern voiced on this list:


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You can also throw your vote away on Nader, who on paper all of a sudden has a Kucinich-like position that was not part of his 2000 platform (which was just "anti-corporate"). A vote for Nadir which re-elects Bush will not end the drug war, no matter how peachy his cribbed platform (which he stole from Kucinich and us) is.

At the shadow convention in Philadelphia in 2000, I was running a Cures not Wars table when who should appear but Ralph, accompanied by Ethan Nadelman. I walked up and said, Hi, I'm the guy who first acquainted you with industrial hemp, gave you Jack Herer's book in 1989, and (handing him the IBOGAINE STORY) said, this is really important, just as important as the book on hemp I gave you eleven years ago.

And he mumbled some stuff about hemp, and without bothering to ask what it was about, handed the book to Nadelman, who I guess stuffed it down the memory hole. What they talked about as they walked away, I can surmise only by what happened 14 months later at the Students for Sensible Drug Policy Conference, when Nader was asked an intelligent question about Ibogaine as a cure for addiction, and replied--

"I don't take club drugs like ecstasy, because I'm personally anti-drug even though I'm for legalization."

Nadelman had obviously bent his ear about Ric Doblin's MAPS-backed clinical trials of MDMA for unipolar depression, diverting the conversation from Ibogaine trails for the treatment of addiction, so that all Nader remembers is that X and Ibogaine were somehow connected.

I couldn't make this up! I'm trying to get the video of this to put it on our website. We plan to campaign against Nader nationwide using this gaffe as ammunition in the fall, using the entire Million Marijuana March network, in all 140 U.S. cities.

Kucinich did the same thing BTW. Handed it to an aide and didn't even bother to ask, "What is this?" Theresa Heinz at least read it and came back and ask for more copies. So don't go just on what people's written positions are. We need politicians who LISTEN.

I'm also going to send you the link to the HDTV version of CSI. It's much better without the commercials.

Dana/cnw

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From: stevenanker@...

Dana et alŠ

I was always under the impression that the ibogaine list was not really public property. The mind-vox site states that the materials contained in the site are copyrighted. In any case I wish you would have asked permission to distribute something that was written in the spur of the moment and in a flash of anger.  The descriptions of the CSI show upset me, in particular the description of iboga as a cult. I deeply regret saying some very mean things. Had you asked, I would have said no, or at least clarified my thoughts. In this world manners are important, the polite thing to do would have been to ask. Frankly, what I wrote was very rude and incredibly bad manners on my part. Something I would never have written if I had thought would have been viewed outside of the site. It should not have been written in any-case. It was off the cuff and my own form of very bad humor and a response to some other angry postings.

I feel all treatment modalities need to be explored and that the best hope for ibogaine is through research and letting the results speak. I have had friends, family and loved ones kick dope/drugs and other bad habits through methadone, rapid-detox, AA/NA, buprenorphine, nalaxtrene, just gritting their teeth and white-knuckling it and stopping, and through ibogaine. Everyone swears their way is the best and only way. We all can't be right, eh? Research and support for all treatment modalities should be encouraged. One of the reasons the drug war keeps going is that treatment modalities are so limited. I've read statistics that a person has the best chance of staying clean if arrested, a wake-up call. Does that mean we should push for harsher sentences for addicts? Of course not, more treatment options dude!

Addiction is a metabolic disease of the brain and like any disease it's handy to have a few treatment options available. For me the 12 steps did not work (though I believe there are many good qualities in the fellowship) basically because I find the concept of God very complicated and find it impossible to turn my life and my will over to something I do not understand.  For me ibogaine was a helpful tool in treating my addictions, as has exercise, proper nutrition, being in a great relationship and not hanging around people using drugs. I have also witnessed too many addicts use right after taking ibogaine to know that ibogaine is not a 'cure.'  They usually appreciate the great rush of doing heroin again after a few days clean, though.

We can not judge the CSI program site-unseen. Think about it this way, many addicts will hear about ibogaine and if it sounds like it might help them they will research further. No doubt there will be a few less addicts as a result of the show. Media feeds on itself and undoubtedly more news stories will follow. I do trust that the writer, Jerry Stahl, treated the root with respect and that the science will be right. I also have faith that Americans are smart enough to realize that they are watching fiction. The image of a dead clown seems wonderful. I also know Jerry has a desire to help addicts and has helped me in staying off heroin.

I do not believe it is good to make ibogaine appear better by shit-talking another treatment, something I did and regret. This is not how I feel, to each his own and people are differentŠ May all addicts be successful in their journey to conquer the dark master of addiction.  It is very silly for addicts to be fighting among themselves.

I know you have already distributed the offensive e-mail widely and are planning on disseminating the 'incriminating e-mail' at your rally. It is not an accurate description on my thoughts regarding addiction, AA or Jerry Stahl. I have absolutely no wish for Jerry or anyone else ever to relapse if that is what they want in life. I deeply hope you do not distribute that e-mail any further. I fail to see how it is helpful.

More so than wishing for Jerry to taste the root, I sincerely hope you take ibogaine in more than a sub-intoxication dose for pep before giving a speech. I know you are not a junky. Perhaps you may find ibogaine helpful for more than just removing your cyst. It can be a therapeutic and spiritual experience and may benefit you in other ways. I find it very odd that such an ardent supporter of ibogaine has not tried it. You may also find it beneficial to be able help more addicts if you have a personal experience with the root. Aren't curious to gain insight into your theory that ibogaine is the holy Eucharist given to Christ on the cross?

Perhaps the best way for us to succeed in presenting ibogaine for the useful medicine it is for some people, is to lead through a positive example.

I get the sense from both reading your e-mails and our conversation that this is as much about keeping 9 Bleaker St. going as it promoting ibogaine in a positive light. It would be a sad day if yippies loose their headquarters, though sometimes unwanted change can be good.

As Rodney King put it so very eloquently "Why can't we all just get along?"

I wish you continued success in helping addicts.

The local CBS affiliate KCBS has done an ibogaine piece as I mentioned. I do not have a link or know if it is on the web which you asked for. All major news organizations know about ibogaine, it's their choice whether to cover it or not, should we not be glad that more people will find out about ibogaine? Perhaps we may owe a debt of gratitude to Jerry for bringing the story to the greater public.

Protesting in front of CBS, before seeing the piece reminds me religious zealots protesting some film or show they have never watched.

Best,

Steve Anker


> From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
> Reply-To: ibogaine@...
> To: ibogaine@...

> Subject: [ibogaine] Protest CBS 6th AVe & 52nd 11:30  AM Thurs; Fax CBS: NO AIRPLAY WITHOUT FAIRPLAY!

> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:55:41 -0500
>
> Schedule of New York Protests, Thursday, Feb. 26th:
>
> 11:30 AM to 12:45 PM
>
> Rally/Press Conference: NO AIRPLAY WITHOUT FAIRPLAY
>

> @ the Plaza in front of CBS corporate headquarters, 6th AVe & 52nd
>
> CBS DO THE RIGHT THING: FAIR COVERAGE FOR IBOGAINE ON THE NEWS, NOT IN COP SHOWS!
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>
>
> 1:30 PM
>
> Rally /Press Conference: FAIRPLAY FOR IBOGAINE
>
> @ the Office of Harlin Berger, 55th @ Madison (551 Madison)
>
> Where does a self-proclaimed entheogen enthusiast who does Ayahuasca and frequents the "Burning Man" & other festivals get off shutting down 9 Bleecker St, the only Ibogaine intake for poor addicts on the East Coast?
>
> DO THE RIGHT THING, HARLIN. DON'T GO BACK ON YOUR AGREEMENT!

>
>
> 3:00 PM
>
> Sidewalk Rally/Press: FAIRPLAY FOR IBOGAINE-- STOP NADER!
>
> Downstairs in front of the John Kerry for President office--373 South Park Ave, between 27th and 28th Sts.
>
> Independents and Greens Knock Nader for Blowing Off the Ibogaine information, (& later betraying his total ignorance in front of an entire Students for Sensible Drug Policy Confernce)--while Theresa Heinz Kerry actually looked at the literature she was given--and came back and got more!
>
> RALPH NADER QUIT ARGUING FROM ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY -- Either look at the science, or DON'T RUN!
>
>
>
>
> (This press conference is a completely independent Yippie! production, and is not coordinated in any way, shape, or form with John Kerry for President)
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
>
> As regards the forthcoming CSI episode, in response to the evident distortions about Ibogaine that seem to be written into the script, please fax or email various CBS news affiliates the following:
>
> To: szp@...
> From: Dana Beal <dana@...>
> Subject: A little fairness & balance, please
>
> As health activists who've worked for 20 years or longer to make Ibogaine available to the American people as a teatment for addiction, we are deeply concerned about the potential negative impact of sensationalizing this medical breakthrough by presenting it in the context of a cop show.

>
> http://www.csifiles.com/news/110104_01.shtml
>
>
>>> Grissom and Brass question Jake Sinclair, a former junkie and convict who now runs a rehab center. Sinclair uses the drug Ibogaine to force addicts to face their demons. The treatment worked so well for Burnell that he became a changed man, not only kicking his addictions but becoming spiritual as well. But Burnell's desire to help others with similar problems led him intodangerous territory...
>
> Please note that the above plot details have not been confirmed by CBS,  Alliance Atlantis or Bruckheimer Films, and until such time you should treat this information as you would any other rumour. The above information comes from an early draft of the script and details may change before the episode goes to air.

>
> We implore you to see what you can do to present a balanced news story to give the viewing audience  a fair chance to evaluate Ibogaine. The following just appeared on a local news show in San Francisco:
> http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?s=%20%201652207
>
> I think you will agree this is a much fairer approach.
>

> Dana Beal/Cures Not Wars/212-677-4899/212-677-7180
>

> P.S.: We will distribute the incriminating email!

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From: dana@...

>
> It seems to me Dana should either take ibogaine or stop being such a vocal advocate.


I'm waiting.to do it now. I never had a bona fide medical reason for doing it before. Now I have to see if the anti-cyst effect (it worked on my daughter) will obviate the need for surgery.

> It comes accross that you are more interested in getting your picture in the paper.


They insisted on a picture. However, it did immediately re-enforce my standing with elected officials, and people who are influenced by publicity.

One of the main points of starting the Million Marijuana March after finishing THE IBOGAINE STORY was to vastly INCREASE OUR INFLUENCE by marshalling all the supporters of market separation of pot and hard drugs into an international platform for dissemination of drug policy reform ideas (Ibogaine, in other words) different from and  alternative to DPA, NORML, MPP, etc--all groups that were giving Ibo short shrift.

>
> It was dishonest to imply that ibogaine freed you from a speed addiction.


You have it all wrong. Daily News staffers believe, along with most of the media (and implicitly Stahl) that its a sine non qua qualification of any lay person working in the addiction field to have quit drugs. I explicitly told Elisa  Karasz that I had never been addict, only a user, because I was able quit without relapsing the first time I tried. I also specified that my speed use was in the '60's and that I stopped coke in the early '80's-- long before Ibogaine finally became available again--after drying up by the time Howard Lotsof came back from Nepal and couldn't find any, and had to go into the first methadone program.

(I did not tell her I quit coke after my mother's daughter spiked my coke with acid because she was concerned that I was doing too much--but she never asked. And anyway, all psychedelics are gateway drugs, not just pot--right?!? I clearly told her I did not use Ibogaine to quit drugs.}

For years our advocacy of ibogaine was hobbled by the popular misconception that advocates of the Dutch system were just a bunch of potheads--and of course the only people SERIOUS about addiction were all 12 step antipotniks. It took medical marijuana to overcome that, and to some extent it remains to be overcome.

>
> CSI at least made an effort to talk with people who have experienced it. I did encourage them to do it, but hey, tv writers are not ibogaine advocates.


My basic objection still stands--which the NEWS did not include, because they were more intrigued about the part about Ibogaine being like sleep paralysis (what it was LIKE being more important to them than how this was going to play out with treatment providers). For Jerry's plot to work, Ibogaine had to be found in a car as part of a murder investigation. And that meant you had to have some one prowling back alleys like a drug dealer looking to deliver Ibogaine to junkies. And THAT is what has the potential to influence the DEA to investigate everyone who even publicizes Ibogaine, in hopes that they'll turn up some schedule I drugs. (Is that 5 years--or 10?)

>
> Jerry Stahl, the writer, told me - and I believe him - that he had never heard of Dana Beal or Cures not Wars before yesterday and did not base the episode on him.


Not what I said. What I told the NEWS (since they were interested in a New York angle) was that we're the ones doing the local equivalent of the Ibogaine outreach depicted in the episode--except that the episode has it totally wrong, since the people doing it here, including myself, are all old psychedelic veterans who scrupulously send people out of the country, and tell their families if they want to get it here, they have to pick up the phone, call their Congressman and tell him to legalize it.

Not only that, by virtue of the fact that MMM/cures not wars/the Yippies are the biggest network promoting Ibogaine, most local efforts elsewhere to make it available also make a big point of sending people outside the country--if only to heighten the understanding that it's legal almost everywhere else, and because Marc's clinic is free.  Marc is BTW the primary model we're promoting--i.e, the pot movement initiating ibogaine access, as part of evolution of the movement toward market separation.

It's been a retail effort, let me tell you, one city at a time, getting them to take up the cause. Marc represents a kind of tipping point, because he controls Cannabis Culture and POT TV, and has influenced a lot of people who wouldn't just take my word for it.

The fact is, if you or any drug addict encounters Ibogaine information, more than 50% of the time, it's through us. For instance, MMM activist Jay Statzer finds an addict named Dimitri who goes to Sara, takes Indra, cleans up, comes back to Detroit, runs a Greek  restaurant and decides to quit and start an Ibogaine clinic in Windsor. That's a lot more typical than the few people who may have figured out how to smuggle Ibogaine into the U.S. and do clandestine treatments.

Why would you do that, when it's so much easier to smuggle back a person who's already been treated? And then there's the consideration that going on a trip to do it is part of the rite of passage...

And Jerry Stahl actually knows better, since all the people he encountered in L.A. had been treated in the Mexican clinic. Of course then, there would have been no plot for CSI. Accuracy be damned. I'm closing with a post from Jay Statzer. I don't know how many of our affilites actually emailed or protested their local CBS afffiliate, but that was the idea.

> Dana
>  Demo'd at WSBT CH 22 broadcast office Thur. afternoon. I think I was pretty much on target with my guess as to how the ibogaine plot played out. My signs said CSI TELLS A LIE? and 9:00 CH 22. The question mark allowed me to play my protest as either a against CH 22 or as promoting the episode depending on who I talked to. Got lots of people coming up to ask me about the protest but no media, although I believe I gave the people in the offices a good rattling. Suspecting that the episode wouldn't be a pure attack piece, I mostly got people to watch the episode and promoted the Liberation Day event for South Bend. Also, I gave ibogaine brochures to people interested in treatment and to some democratic party operatives that were in an office across the street from WSBT (Kerry supporters.)

>  I have a copy of the episode but the very last line by the character Mindy got cut off. Can anyone tell me what that last line was?? I am writing a transcript of the episode from my tape today.
> E'ya later,
> God forgive America,
> Jay Statzer

> CNW MI


You shouldn't ought to have to take Ibogaine in order to publicly advocate it for addiction. If that is your position, no politician will ever be able to support it on its merits alone.

Dana/cnw

From: digital@...

On [Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 04:57:25PM -0800], [Carla Barnes] wrote:

| Patrick, you're not allowed to write 10 funny
| paragraphs that let Dana off the hook like you usually
| do so everyone stops talking about it! Or you are, but
| it won't help!

Carla, okay, ONE WORD!  Well, I mean, I'm opening the sentence using
another three, but once you've assimilated those, you can just erase them

from your mind, 'cuz they're really not part of the actual CONTENT!

[It was a] TYPO!

Dana, I am shocked, aghast, and very disturbed that the Daily News would
print such drivel -- which you obviously never said.  Is their entire fact
checking department on vacation?

Personally, it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS to me that you should sue the NY Daily
News for causing irreparable harm to your solid reputation as an activist,
journalist, author, and all-around authority on ... many things!

Perhaps the NY Daily News is in actuality a unit of Clear Channel or the
Conde Nast Empire(R).  Everything seems to be.  While I haven't bothered

to look this up; FACTS only get in the way of things!  You should sue the
NY Daily News, Clear Channel AND Conde Nast.  Because probably it's all
part of the same conspiracy that MURDERED Abbie Hoffman AND Tom Forcade.
Two suicides...  Coincidence?  I think not!

| Dana other then being wrong about almost everything
| you said about the csi episode which I thought was
| boring but good as far as explaining ibogaine, but
| you've never said you were ever a cocaine and
| amphetamine addict? If you were, you very imply here
| that ibogaine freed you from addiction. Except you've
| never taken ibogaine! I have seen Patrick, Marko,
| others on this list all nudge fun at you for talking
| and talking and talking about ibogaine but you won't
| do it!!

Look, Dana has mentioned -- repeatedly, in public, and on camera -- that
he plans to do ibogaine ANY MINUTE NOW ... as soon as he has a spare
moment or three.

Dana, just make sure you get the hell out of your house before you trip,
or I can already tell you, you're going straight to hell; whoopsie, no,
wait, I meant to say: go to a REPUTABLE IBOGAINE TREATMENT PROVIDER!
Yeah, that was it.

Plus, also, don't kill yourself!  Medical testing is very important, so,
ya know, check to see if you still have any of your liver left; if yes,
and you've still got a heartbeat and are breathing occasionally ... well,
CLOSE ENOUGH!  Down the hatch it goes!@#!@#!@#

No, wait, I didn't say that either, I meant to say, what did I mean to
say, oh yeah: why don't you just call Howard!  I'm sure he'll offer you
some sage advice, "Dana ... what the hell is wrong with you, just do it
already!"  No, I meant to say, oh ... fuck this, I give up!

| Dana Why not do ibogaine?

Because the Bwiti would tell him to clean up his house!  Plus, also, 45
cats is AT LEAST 25 too many!

And, uhm, Dana ... ya know, one of these days Aivia is going to whack you
over the head with a baseball bat...  And she'll have many good reasons

for taking this action.

Patrick

From: ptpeet@...

We need need more, not less, advocacyDana wrote >You shouldn't ought to have
to take Ibogaine in order to publicly advocate it for addiction. If that is
your position, no politician will ever be able to support it on its merits
alone.<

Maybe I shouldn't pipe up here, but I agree wholeheartedly with Dana here. I
can't understand why someone would insist that someone else take ibogaine or
not promote its use when that person can see for his own eyes that it works
for a good number of people, even those he's close to. Why in the heck
shouldn't Dana be promoting ibogaine for those who want to try it? I'm

completely at a loss over this one. Is it a clique or something? What gives
with that?
    And Dana's right also in that Cures-Not-Wars and Dana himself do more
promoting of ibogaine than just about anyone I've ever heard of over any
span of time. There are newer voices in the mix nowadays, but so far as I
know, he's non-stop about it and has been for as long as I've known him.
    Peace,
    Preston

------------------

From: ptpeet@...

I highly advice you all DON'T drink Robotusin DM when out of opiate

painkillers either- supposedly the DM is supposed to help, but I shoulda
known better having tries shooting the shit years ago- it don't at all- even
drinking the crap just makes it worse.
Peace to you all. Someone send me a little warmth please.

Preston

From: HSLotsof@...

I think everyone in the world should have an emergency dose or two of
ibogaine.

Howard

From: jfreed1@...

Hey man,

If you're still out of opiates, you might wanna see if you can get a hold
of some kratom. It's a plant from Thailand.. made into a tea, it has an
effect similar to opium.

It's legal, and relatively cheap to buy off the net...



good luck

From: windforme@...

For those looking into Kratom, I suggest informing yourself before you do so about it effects and safe usage.

There isn't that much information published about it for users but here's a good place to start:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml


From: jfreed1@...

Kratom is quite safe. There is some risk of dependence with regular, heavy
usage; but that's really the only health concern. I would think in very
high doses, there might be a risk of respiratory depression; but you'd
probably throw up before you could drink that much of it.

The primary active chemical in it is mitragynine, an opioid agonist,
roughly comparable in strength to codeine. Though mitragynine is
structurally related to the tryptamine psychedelics, it doesn't have any
psychedelic effects; rather, it's effects are very similar to codeine or
other low to mid potency opiates.. analgesia, euphoria, cough supression,
and sometimes nausea.

I use Daniel Siebert's recipe for making the tea, which works quite well.
For 40 g of crushed leaf, add 1 L of water. Boil gently for 15 minutes.
Strain the leaves, making sure to squeeze all the liquid out, and save the
liquid in another pot.

Put the leaves back in the original pot, and another litre of water, and
boil again for 15 minutes. Strain the leaves again, adding this to the pot
from the previous boiling. At this point, you can throw out the leaves, as
all the goodness will be in the water. Then boil the water until only
about 100 ml of it is left.

To be honest, I probably don't usually boil it all the way down to 100 ml,
cause I'm impatient...eheh. But the more liquid you boil off, the more
potent it'll be (i.e., the less volume of liquid you'll have to drink). I
usually add a good deal of sugar as well, as it's pretty bitter.

I would highly recommend this for anyone suffering from withdrawal
symptoms (if you can't get ahold of ibogaine, of course..eheh).


From: sara119@...

You also can try wild lettuce.
Here is some info.
Alternative painkiller, ultimate relaxation. Opium-like. Wild Lettuce is
also known as Lettuce opium. This is because the strong narcotic and
hypnotic effects are similar, but milder psycho-active effects than opium
from Papaver somniferum. The plant is used centuries because of its sedating
and anaesthetic properties. In the 19th century, doctors and pharmacists
regularly used lactucarium, a plant extract, when normal opium wasn't
available. Lactucarium is a safe opium substitute, because it is not
addictive and even large amounts of lactucarium(lWild Lettuce extract) never
lead to overdosage. In the 70's, Lacuca virosa(wild Lettuce) was very
popular in America. There it was sold under multiple names like Lettuce
opium, l'opium and lettucene. A few Wild Lettuce Joints will bring you in a
very relaxed and euphoric mood. It will also be very easy to fall asleep.
The active ingredient of Wild Lettuce is Lactucine.

3 joints

This is one of the plants available in my treatment.

Sara

From: jfreed1@...

as a side note for people interested in wild lettuce, get the resin,
rather than the whole plant.

wild lettuce is an effective analgesic/sedative, but it is quite low
potency. if using the raw plant, you have to smoke an AWFUL lot of it for

any effect. the resin is still fairly low potency, but you don't need
nearly as much of it.... which is a lot easier on the lungs.

---------

From: ptpeet@...

>Addiction is a metabolic disease of the brain and like any disease it's

handy to have a few treatment options available.<

Is the use of drugs really classifiable as a disease? Just because some
people refuse to stop using their drugs of choice no matter how harshly the
law and the rest of society treats them? Why must that be considered a
disease?
    I suppose I can upon reflection see the point when considering some of
the self-damage that addicts can do to themselves using some drugs in some
ways. Some amount of the way that some addicts use their drugs does lead me
to think when seeing, or hell experiencing, disease- else why the hell would
I/they keep doing it over and over?
    Hmmm.
    Or, sigh.
    Or something anyway.
    I still hesitate in the end to go with the disease model entirely,
partly because too often disease is blasted with radiation or sliced out
with a scalple. All the insistance of making people who want to use drugs to

whatever degree they do still seems to me no matter what we call it to be
refusing to accept the people they really are, they way they are possibly
even hardwired to be by whatever it is that decided life was a good idea
way, way, way back when. Mightn't it be possible that some of us were meant
to use drugs?
    Maybe?
    I mean, when I think about it, most people hear about ibogaine and I
think are not overly enthusiastic about the idea of giving out (currently)
illegal hallucinogenic plants to "cure" or combat (currently) illegal drug
addiction. It is a drug after all.

Peace,
Preston

From: sara119@...

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Steven Anker [mailto:stevenanker@...]
Verzonden: donderdag 26 februari 2004 4:42
Aan: ibogaine@...
Onderwerp: RE: [ibogaine] Protest CBS Madison & 53rd 11:30 AM Thurs; Fax
CBS: NO AIRPLAY WI


"Virtually all physiological systems are affected in opiate addiction. A
reproducible syndrome occurs when an opiate addict goes through withdrawal.
This syndrome includes yawning, lacrimation, piloerection, perspiration,
mydriasis, tremor, gooseflesh, restlessness, myalgia, anorexia, nausea,
vomiting, abdominal cramps, diarrhea, fever, hyperpnea, and hypertension.
When prolonged, the syndrome includes weight loss and, even after acute
withdrawal, symptoms subside, persistent symptoms such as sleep
disturbances, irritability, restlessness, and poor concentration which can
be present for months or years. Both acute and chronic tolerance are
physiological phenomena subserved by the central nervous system. However,
both acute and chronic tolerance may also be influenced by environmental
variables, such as setting, conditioning, and learning."

If Iboga Isn't "a cure" how come most of those symptoms ,sometimes all, do

not show ?

Also, how come the need to smoke tobbaco left the person?  He could smoke,
He didn't come for treating his smoking habit, het ried one ciggaret and

didn't feel that need anymore.

How come my patient Liz. Went working after the treatment 16 hours a day ,
standing up.she wouldn't be able to if not for this treatment, she did try
Other treatments before and that is what she thinks.

Is Methadone a Cure? Some people would say it is .

S.

From: bcalabrese@...

Iboga/ibogaine does not take away choice (free will), it won't cure one of (non-drug-induced) stupidity Ibogaine does make that choice far easier, it may cure or nearly so drug cravings as well as the physical addiction, but addicts with nothing better to do go out and use anyway, no cravings and all. I believe ibogaine can clear the slate, heal if not cure much of the damage drug addiction has done, remove the the ingrained patterns. It comes down to how come people use after ibogaine if they are not cured, cause nothing can cure one from themselves (cept a bullet...) Ibogaine may cure people of some particular demons but I think the issue of addiction is too complex to have one definition of "cured" for a treatment. Can someone be over it, sure, absolutely (99+%). Addiction is a process that starts with like any other disease, a suseptable person and expure to sufficient quantity of the substance to cause a disease (dis-ease, a state of not being at ease). I guess ibogaine sort of reverses much of that, an addiction reverser perhaps, it also removes much of the whatever initially interested people to drugs.  Can someone be "cured" by using ibogaine AND doing everything else, to the extent that they will never be active "addicts" again, YES.  It is like ibogaine removes something so people can cure (if you want to use that word) themselves but ibogaine isn't going to cure me of me against my will. I think when people use the word "cure", that is what they expect, to be "cured" that it will never happen again - not if you repeat the thoughts and behavior it won't.

So, here is my opinion why ibogaine is NOT a cure.
 
People who have successfully been treated with addiction CANNOT safely do the following;
 
GET HIGH LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE CAN.
 
For myself
 
I can't and wouldn't do a few "lines", have a few drinks or smoke a few cigs. A non-addict, non-smoker could and they even if they enjoyed it, it won't go anywhere.I likely could have a glass of wine or beer and one day may very well do that, but "drinking", nope. Patrick, as "cured" as he is, it would be a real bad idea if he shot a few bags of dope...

Even though I doubt it is likely Patrick, myself or many successfully treated ibonaughts will (likely)  go anywhere very far, we just can't safely fuck around with drugs, or at least certain drugs (drugs of choice). I  have to believe for my own safety that I am different than other folks. On the PLUS side I think I am less likely than the general population (3%) actually get "addicted" to pain meds. Perhaps we can immunize the entire population of the planet with iboga.
 
Maybe we need to establish something like they use for cancer, 3 or 5 year survival (relapse) rates to put a measurement on whatever someone means by the word "cured".
 
 

It certainly is something different than what people normally call addiction, active or not.

From: sara119@...

Brett,

You are right.

Let say at least you are not the same kind of addict you used to be, your  will has changed after taking the ibogaine,your vision of life has changed, would you go

  back to shooting speedballs even if it felt great and you got it as a present, you will will not let you ,WHY?

Isn't it that insight that you got that made you change ?

Wouldn't that insight be a CURE? And you can get there easily in all those way ? Does methadone give you that kind of change?

From: CallieMimosa@...

Well, the show is half over and personally I feel "so far, so good"!
I have already had a girlfriend/fellow Methadone Clinic buddy call for me to tune in!

Callie

From: sara119@...

 Sandra wrote: I think the "they" in question is NIDA and their comment was:

'researchers are required to meet certain storage and record keeping
requirement standards that pertain to Schedule I substances'"

Yes, but you live in Canada where it isn't Schedule 1 substance,
Why do you have to prove anything to The Americans?


I know that many people already published many Real Reason why Cannabis
&Ibogaine  and other herbs should be decriminalized/ legalized.
Is it ? why is real research with real researchers being ignored?
And yours wouldn't be?
I wish you luck, maybe if the Prince of pot sign the papers everyone
Is going to listen and change the law. That will be wonderful indeed .

On the other hand (maybe it is just the journalist who  heard it wrong)
ITH said.
"Iboga tends to make anything bad for you taste really crappy.  If possible,
we want our patients to quit cigarettes at the same time.  We think that
cigarettes can lead people back to other addictions."

This is bollix.

How can anyone say that? It is up to what the person wants and not you, If
possible, if they are ready to stop anything that is up to them. with or
without Iboga.
By saying that you are looking for disappointments.
How can you say cigarettes is a gateway to  other addiction.
Where is a research that made you think that way? What makes you think that
way?
Maybe people who smoke have a consumers mentality?maybe ,I think. 
You are a researchers, Maybe the only two of you in this world with license,
did you study about what is serotonin ?
Did you study how it feels to gain serotonins, especially for an addict
after taking Iboga.
 When you do that first, you would know that SOME FOOD THAT ISN'T GOOD FOR

you
FEELS REALLY NICE AFTER TAKING Iboga.And people Just love it.

What feels nice doesn't have to be healthy/unhealthy.
It feels good when increases the serotonin in the blood.


Look if you claim "At this stage, with little scientific study, the true
toxicology of ibogaine is impossible to determine - the treatment is
unlicensed in other countries and illegal in the US.  The decision whether

or not to take such a risk is entirely personal."



1.  It sounds like  Mash doesn't exist. or all the other people who worked
for years with Ibogaine.
 2.What kind of risk?

 3.Do you have license? How? You and Marc aren't medical Doctors,
Is it the political connection you have , or just like in India you can buy
one?
4. why would you want to find out the toxicology of Ibogaine if you worked
with Iboga at the time which is another 18 active alkaloids.(Or more)
You have a lot of work if you want to know that.

5. if there is a risk. Why would you take it Sandra?

I think it can be more fun to write a research about how to confuse
journalist and have them write Bollix. In a serious newspaper.
Cheers

Sara Glatt

From: deartheo@...

  

An opiate kick is very de-stabalizing, at least short term, so yes, I very much understad the fear of the unknown (after all opiates where an unknown and look how that turned out), it is so real you might as well tell me to consider quiting oxygen, like the mere suggestion could only come from one would couldn't see clearly what I was up against.

Their seems to be different dimensions of addiction, like layersŠ

Compulsion (being an oil burner is a great example, drinking 15 cups of cappuccino at a              12 step meeting is another; What are the limits of being so easily manipulated by our own desireŠand the methadone clinic helps with that for sure, I've never felt 'high' off methadone, although some say they do, eventually when I make myself sick often enough by taking all three days take homes in one day I learn what's in my best interest regarding dosing, forcing me to look at how 'present' and 'future' aren't separate but interconnected as far as actions relate to 'future' possibilities or liabilitiesŠthe sickness can be a very powerful re-enforcement of lessons in that systemŠ, a common sign of compulsion at methadone clinics seems to be patients still doing heroin after methadone treatment even if not feeling sick (after a 'stable' dose levelŠ which I do agree that the clinics shouldn't push so hard for people to get 'stable' first, discouraging people from using methadone to kick heroin immediately without stepping to much in the methadone quick sand;)

Mental mindset:  deals with how I view myself and the often self embossed but many times learned limits of who I is, Rational Recovery has some neat stuff about mindset, this is obviously a work in progressŠwhat is my role in community, do I feel connected to the community, do I trust my community, are all things futile vs. are things interconnected, do my actions matter, could my actions matter without me being aware of it, do I have value, can that value be understood, is it the listener's or the communicator's responsibility to get a message across etc.;;;;         Iboga seems to be like a Super Mario Warp Zone in that regard--; "you can't step in the same (enter name) twiceŠ 'you can't step in the same river twice'"  Also, what is my immediate community situation like (family, friends etc) how is that shaping me, how much of that shaping is inevitable and how much of that shaping can be affected ; do I connect the dots about opiates both taking away AND causing the sickness, is their a difference between shooting heroin in the mainline and shooting pure sickness in the mainline?

Physical addiction:  I'm admittedly pretty biased in this topic;  I've heard crack and speed heads say their addiction is physical, I certainly don't know much so perhaps they could beŠbut I have much respect as far as physical addiction for Opiates or Alcohol as far as the physical side only goes, and methadone/orlaam shouldn't be overlooked in this category being a long lasting opiate, at least in my experience. 

Spiritual?: perhaps this belongs under mindset?...an area to be looked at.

Yes, All drugs have different characteristics, each "addict" has a different reaction to those characteristics, and therefore I think it would be a mistake to limit our options in regards to how iboga treatment is carried out. 

I think the potential of iboga is in danger if we limit it by blanketing one or two dose treatment.  In my experience, the guide of iboga is the true facilitator and seems to make sure you know what you need to know; As a junkie I learned to listen to the sickness or else, so when iboga can play on that level, yes much respect for it is in order.

If methadone treatment, in all it's faults and limitations, has at least determined it best for some to learn and quit quickly and others not so quickly through maintenance, Why should iboga treatment/research not see if "maintenance" (every 6 months, year or whatever) isn't a good tool for 'chronic relapser's';         I suppose ironically, reliable supplies have therapeutic benefits, though limited.  But that whole, full blown sickness if arrested thing can be a bitch, and can pour fuel on an already vast source of mis-trust.

The more options the better, I think most would agree.  Addictions like a fingerprints are as individualized as the people who have them,

Oh, and as far as quitting tobacco during treatmentŠwhat kind of treatment and what are you kicking? If iboga treatment, I say let iboga do it's work and it will happen when readyŠfor compulsives I'd say beware of biting off more then can chew, but for other types I'd say what are your main triggers?  For me, it's if it physically hurts when I stopŠit has never physically hurt when I stopped tobacco, and like mentioned before it kills many times over heroin etc,

It doesn't get me high, why am I doing this again?

From: marc@...

The foods that are taken in should not be MAO inhibitors, that could cause a liver malfunction, especially to an addict who has Hepatitus C. I suspect trouble there. The liver might have rejected the tyrine (the dangerous amino acid that ibogaine and many substances render the liver unable to process for 24 to 48 hours after) that is in cheeses, pungents, many foods and failed, causing vomit, regurgitation.

What happened to the guide who administered the dosage? That probably was awful for that person.

It's a lesson for other ibogaine administrators to be careful of the foods chosen to give to the recovering patient.(Also, do not treat patients with HEP C damage to the liver in excess, this can be done by reading the blood tests accurately - AND MAKE SURE THESE BLOOD TESTS ARE DONE BEFORE TREATMENT.) we have treated many patients with Hep C, but the liver has to be functioning fully.

Thanks for that information.

 

Marc Emery

Iboga Therapy House

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Calabrese [mailto:bcalabrese@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:47 PM
To: marc@...
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] What UK provider scrwed up? Off list

 

Marc,

 

There were other factors. What I was getting was this guy was in real bad shape, had bad hep C (also included as part of the cause of death), inexperience on the guide - being her first, likely he ate too much food, wasn't watched close enough. I got the feeling that he was at the edge. Perhaps he would have done better with 3-4gm of Indra and followed with smaller doses over the next few days, watched closer, he couldn't have done worse.. It goes in the active addict catagory, they don't exactly read the manual or follow instructions very well.  There will be more.

 

The above is just my feeling of the events as I heard them, like it was a last ditch event to cure an out of control addiction, and he lost.

 

I too am interested in what they ate. Some people want to chomp down on  all kinds of garbage, candy, cheezeburgers... more solid foods and they shouldn't till they take soft food first (fruit, oatmeal, soup...) and my favorite watermelon.

 

Be well,

Brett

----------------

From: marc@...

Was J supervised at the time? Seems like an unusual reaction as by 38
hours, it's good to have a bit of food. What kind of food was it, do you
know?
When patients go more than 72 hours without food, the glucose levels
drop and a person can fall into unconsciousness.

Thanks for the information.

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nicks22@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:33 AM
To: ibogaine@...
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] What UK provider scrwed up?

Hi Marc,

Must be a pretty old newspaper. J died back in Jan 2000 if I recall
correctly, and the inquest was a year later. They put the cause of death

down to "iboga extract, fatal reaction" - J died through choking on his
vomit just after eating his first meal after the treatment. He'd taken
around 6g of Indra iboga extract about 38 hours before.

Because of the death the MCA put Tabernanthe iboga on a list of herbal
preparations they are seeking to control further, but as far as I know
this
hasn't happened yet, and isn't likely to for a while. Whether ibogaine
itself will be affected is not clear.

IMO, the main thing to be learned from the tragic event is the need for

constant vigilance of the client throughout the whole treatment,
bathroom
visits included.

all the best

Nick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Scott Emery" <marc@...>
To: <ibogaine@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:55 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] What UK provider scrwed up?



>> Who was the treatment provider in the UK who screwed up?
>>
>> Marc Emery

>> Iboga Therapy House
>>

From: pauljackamo@...

 Dear Marc

As a treatment provider yourself - I am somewhat saddened that you choose to use such emotive terminology :
"Who was the treatment provider that screwed up?"
We are talking about a tragedy here for all concerned: the guy who died, his friends & families and the people
who facilitated his indra iboga experience.
Discussions & speculations on his death have been ongoing for the last 3 years - (check the mindvox/calyx
threads) and I would have