Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:15:05 -0500

From: Dana Beal

Subject: GMfCL 2003 #48: Montreal Ibo-Clinic OPEN!; Buffalo, Hearst,
Roanoke Make 86 Cities on the MMM Poster for 2004!

Ibogaine Treatment Now Accessible in Montreal--Call 212-677-7180!

For years now Cures not Wars has been referring addicts for treatment in Holland, Mexico, Vancouver and the Caribbean. At last we are doing our own treatments for folks in the North Eastern U.S.--conveniently close in Montreal! Treatment will not be free, but we are willing to work with anyone who genuinely desires to quit one or more substances of abuse to arrange some kind of sliding scale that fits your budget.

We are hoping that all of our affiliates, both within and without the Million Marijuana March, are ready to upgrade your message to stress the public health benefits of separating marijuana from hard drugs-- and the vital role ibogaine can have in repelling  hard drugs from the cannabis scene.

According to Dutch government factsheets, for instance, out of the total population of 727,000, Amsterdam has around 5,100 hard-drug users. The primary thrust of policy is to discourage the use of drugs, and to combat the trade in drugs. The authorities also seek to minimise the risks incurred by drug users and to reduce as far as possible the nuisance factor for the general public. In the context of use, Amsterdam's drug policy differentiates between hard and soft drugs, i.e.: cannabis is available, but at locations where no other illicit substances may be sold, and this "market separation" is strictly enforced. Of some 5,100 hard-drug users, around 2000 are of Dutch origin, with some 1,350 having roots in former colony of Surinam, the Netherlands Antilles and Morocco. Around 1,750 users come from other European countries, mainly Germany and Italy. The total number of hard-drug users is steadily decreasing, while their average age is rising, from 26.8 years in 1981 to 39 years in 1999. In the same period the total number of drug users under 22 years of age dropped from 14.4 percent to 1.6%.

A ninety percent reduction! For harm reduction workers who seek to duplicate this feat in countries where the government is not (like the Netherlands) cooperating, Ibogaine represents a medical alternative to state involvement. That's why we would like every Million Marijuana March organization to become an outlet for ibogaine information, and to this end we are asking you to join a new list, where all the activists and treatment providers are waiting to answer your questions. To check out a typical thread from the ibogaine list, look under Ibogaine, below, after BUSHWHACKED.

Subscribe Mindvox

To join the Mindvox ibogaine list just send an email to ibogaine-subscribe@... if you please.

Nothing more to it. You don't have to write anything in the subject or text area.

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So far, 86  Cities are Signed up for 2004 .

MAYDAY IS JAY-DAY!

(Next year, the first Saturday of May falls on May 1. We are recommending Sunday, May 2 or Monday May 3 in cities where there is significant conflict with other local events--or as a rain date. Of course, we understand that some schools have to do it on 4/20 because their school year is over by May, and that some northern cities have to do it a little later in May...)


albany
albuquerque
ashland
asheville
auckland

berlin

boone
bratislava
buenos aires

buffalo

burlington

capetown
christchurch
cincinnati
cleveland

cologne

columbia
dallas
darwin
dayton

des moines
detroit
dover

dublin
dunedin
eugene
fayetteville
flint
frankfurt
ft. lauderdale

halifax

hearst

helsinki

hilo
houston

hull
kansas city
las vegas
lansing
levin

mexico city

minneapolis

missoula
montpelier
napier

nashville

newark

new orleans
new york
nimbin

ogden

omaha

orlando
paducah
paris
parkersburg
philadelphia

phoenix
portland
prague

raleigh-durham

rapid city

richmond

roanoke

rosario
salt lake city

san diego
san francisco

san juan
san marcos

springfield
st. louis

sturgeon falls
tampa

tel aviv
toronto
tokyo
traverse city
tucson
tupelo

upper lake
vancouver

washington, d.c.
wellington
wichita

wilmington


Help us reach our goal of 300 cities worldwide!

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact info and email me back telling me to add yr city to the List at the top of this email. Right now the last listing we have for you is as follows:

Eaton: Andy Fudge fudgeie@... 210 eaton lewisburg rd apt#61 Rally 12 noon -- lots of kick ass specialties

By the way, I lost about three weeks email not long after this year's event. Did anything happen on the first Saturday of May in yrour area? Numbers? Arrests? Media? Anything of interest happen, etc?

You can also call me at 212-677-4899.

Dana/cnw

P.S.: We are also interested in adding to our list of prestigious endorsers, which consists of pot activists well-known in their city or country. We need a name and phone number for each. Any suggestions?

P.P.S: We need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster.  If you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

 

HELP RAISE MONEY FOR THE MILLION MARIJUANA MARCH--BOOK A YIPPIE SPEAKER!

Recently we wrote you that we need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster--and that if you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

You can help. Go to http://www.yippiespeakers.com  Here's the good news: 20% of all speaker fees go to printing and operating expenses for the MMM 2004. (If you can get me booked personally it's 100%.)

Some of these speakers like Grace Slick and Hunter Thompson get $25,000 just for appearing at yr local university! (Some like Dennis Peron are available for a few thousand) Your local group gets 4% finders' fee.

What we need you to do is contact yr local on-campus activists and have them agitate their student affairs folks in charge of outside speakers  (or equivalent) to book some of our speakers. It's important to clarify that we are NOT  asking them to get this from the budget of their NORML or SSDP chapter, but from the campus office that books outside speakers. (At Kent State they call it the Office of Student Life, and they paid me $4,000 for a three hour appearance, which went straight to the printer.)

It's a good year for it. Things have come full-circle for Yippie! We have all the elements--an illegitimate  Republican President everyone hates at home, a quagmire war abroad--for the first time  since the '70's. And best of all, even though all our speakers support cannabis and oppose the drug war, they are Yippie, not legalization speakers, so you won't have to deal with demands from the university administration that you find some anti-drug speaker for "Balance" or you don't get the booking. (Since we are moving toward protests against the Republican Convention in NYC next August, to be fair they'd have to demand an opponent of protests, period, which is absurd.)

If you have a hot prospect,  email me right back; but since  about half of everything sent to this address "bounces", be sure to also put in a call to the speakers bureau at 212-529-3026, and leave a message if no one picks up. Or call me at 212-677-7180.

Dana/cnw

*****!!! May 3, 2002/Mayday 2004 Cannabis Liberation Day: Updates,  Reports!!!*****

From: shane@...

Greetings,

Lambeth Council are taking the Cannabis Festival to Court. Wednesday 26th Nov 10.00 court 3 at Tower Bridge Magistrates Court, 211 Tooley Street, SE1. Support welcome.....
Charges of contravening the entertainments licence. - The Council are alleging people dancing 8 mins after the time of the licence and sale in the bar 13 mins after time.

Festival Meeting
This Friday 28th Nov (last friday of the month) at Bonnington Sq Cafe.
Meeting 7pm for a prompt 7.30pm start.
After the meeting we will eat. Bonnington Sq is a bring your own booze cafe and a 3 course meal is about £9 ( or £4.50 one course).

Agenda

1. Reclassification (29th Jan) and our reply to it.

2. 6th Annual Cannabis March and Festival Sat 8th May

3. Sound System benefits. Report back from Tues 25th Meeting

4. Toilet hire court case. Report back.

4. aob

y>

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FROM: everyman@...
DATE: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
SUBJECT: Re: M.  Digest Number 89

Dana, Add Roanoke,Va. same as last year only new phone # 540

776-4201

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Buffalo:  Philip L Beavers jr./B.A.C.H <BLocman420@...> [This number is for organizers only: 716-895-1987  Phil is looking for a new person who can be the phone contact in Buffalo.]  600-700 people over the course of the day in '02; all 3 networks; no police problems

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From: fdrlxmt@...

Hello Danna   .. Federal Exemptee  Robert Neron    From Hearst Ontario    .Remember we were part of the groups that celebrated MMM last year ..
 
i'm still planning a celebration for this year ( 2004 Saturday may 1st ).
 
As you know i had to battle with Hodgkin lymphoma all year and this past saturday we lost the only brother we had at the age of 35 to the same identical cancer ..

 

But i haven't given-up ..just yet ..

 

I'm not too sure of How , Where   and ect...  but we will have a definite Pot Party up in deep northern Ontario May 1 st 2004 ( it may end up at a private land to party ) so Hearst Million Marijuana March wont have to spend lots of $$ to PARTY in town ..

please put HEARST , ONTARIO 
 
and the contact make it   to my self   

Robert Neron
Box: 1346 Hearst , Ontario
P0L 1N0
 

and   fdrlxmt@...    as e-mail conections  
 

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Newshawk: Ben Masel
Pubdate: Fri, 21 Nov 2003
Source: Chicago Sun-Times (IL)
Copyright: 2003 The Sun-Times Co.

Contact: letters@...
Website: http://www.suntimes.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/81
Author: Abdon M. Pallasch

ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT CURBS POLICE POWERS IN CAR SEARCHES

A traffic stop does not give police license to conduct a full-fledged criminal investigation, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled Thursday in two different cases.

The court reversed a marijuana conviction of Roy Caballes, who was stopped for driving 71 mph in a 65 mph zone on Interstate 80.  While a state trooper wrote him a warning ticket, another trooper walked a drug-sniffing dog around his car.

The dog reacted, and the troopers found marijuana in the trunk.

Prosecutors argued that, under U.S.  Supreme Court rulings, letting police dogs sniff outside the car does not violate the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure because the dogs do not actually enter the car.

But Justice Thomas Kilbride wrote in a 4-3 opinion, "The police impermissibly broadened the scope of a traffic stop in this case into a drug investigation."

The same lineup of justices also reversed a drug possession conviction for Raymond Harris, a passenger in a car stopped in Will County.  A sheriff's officer stopped the car for an illegal left turn.  He requested identification from Harris because he was considering letting Harris drive the vehicle back, he said.

The officer discovered an outstanding warrant for Harris' failure to appear in court and arrested him.  He found a pea-size rock of cocaine.

"The warrant check was not supported by a reasonable, articulate suspicion that [Harris] had committed or was about to commit a crime," Justice Charles Freeman wrote.

Attorney General Lisa Madigan is considering whether to appeal the cases to the U.S.  Supreme Court, which has given police more leeway to conduct searches during traffic stops, said Solicitor General Gary Feinerman.

But Andrea Lyon, president of the Illinois Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and a professor at DePaul University College of Law, calls the rulings "pretty unreviewable" because federal law allows the states to grant more due process than federal case law requires, she said.

"I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised because, over the last few decades, we have been giving up so much of the Fourth Amendment," Lyons said.  "What the Illinois Supreme Court is doing is saying, 'We take our citizens' right to be free from unlawful searches and seizures seriously.' "

Caballes' attorney Ralph Meczyk said, "The Illinois Supreme Court was not willing to chip away at Illinois citizens' basic rights."

In both cases, the court ruled that "motions to suppress" evidence entered against the defendants -- namely the drugs -- should have been granted.  In both cases, the same minority of three justices argued that the searches were not "unreasonable."

URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03.n1828.a08.html

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From:gregorio_samsa@...

Mr. Dana Beal:
 
Nice to write you again. This message is only to inform you that

amecamexico@...

is no longer the address of our organisation (Asociación Mexicana de Estudios sobre Cannabis: AMECA), please change by

ameca@....

Thank You.

Leopoldo Rivera Rivera

Chairman.

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*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

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From: rlake@...

*** We're going to fight this drug war bill!

*** Act NOW to protect medical marijuana patients, preserve the right of
judges to show compassion for deserving defendants, and save taxpayer money

You've been with us all year as we have fought for more compassionate and
less expensive drug policies - from fighting the RAVE Act to working to
pass medical marijuana legislation that protects HIV/AIDS and Cancer
patients. Now, just before Congress goes out of session, one of the
country's harshest drug war extremists, Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN), is about
to introduce some of the scariest legislation we've seen this year.

Rep. Souder's bill increases penalties for many drug offenses and takes
away the right of judges to show mercy when it's appropriate. The bill also

enacts new draconian penalties that could sentence compassionate Americans
that grow and provide medical marijuana to decades in federal prison.

Although it's titled the 'Drug Sentencing Reform Act,' this dangerous bill
is all sentencing and no reform. It will destroy the lives of thousands
more non-violent Americans.

We know that Rep. Souder wants to introduce his bill within the next couple
of weeks and is asking for co-sponsorship from other Representatives. Make
sure your Representative doesn't support this bill. Call NOW and tell your
Representative not to co-sponsor Rep. Souder's Drug Sentencing Reform Act
because it contains no reform and ties the hands of judges.

Actions to Take:

1) CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE NOW!

To reach your representative by phone, call the US Capitol Switchboard at
1-800-839-5276 or call your representative's office directly by looking up
the phone number on
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/ctt.asp?u=1876&l=9389 .

Tell your Representative: "I'm a constituent and I'm calling to urge Rep.
[Name] not to co-sponsor Rep. Souder's Drug Sentencing Reform Act, which he
is about to introduce. The Drug Sentencing Reform Act contains no reform
and ties the hands of judges. It will punish nonviolent Americans and
compassionate citizens that provide patients with medical marijuana. I
would like Rep. [Name] to tell me where s/he stands on this bill. S/he can
send a letter to me at [Address] or an e-mail to [Address]. Thank you for
your time."

2) Tell us what your Representative says.  Email us at
ActionFeedback@....

3) Forward this alert to your friends, family, and co-workers.

More Information:

The so-called Drug Sentencing Reform Act has yet to be introduced, but it
will do the following:

** Tie the hands of judges by making it harder for them to reduce sentences
for non-violent drug offenders. (It does this by expanding the so-called
'Feeney Amendment' to apply to drug offenses). This will mean longer
sentences for non-violent offenses, with taxpayers like you picking up the
cost!

** Mandates that most people on parole, probation or supervised release be
subjected to random drug testing, even if their original offense had
nothing to do with drugs. (If enacted, thousands of non-violent Americans
could be sent to prison for years for smoking marijuana in the privacy of
their own home and then failing a drug test.)

** Directs the U.S. Sentencing Commission to no longer allow lower
sentences for non-violent drug offenders that have certain mitigating
circumstances (such as being addicted to drugs) or for non-violent drug
offenders that made a mistake and are otherwise good citizens.

** Enacts new draconian penalties for growing, distributing, and providing
'high-potency' marijuana to others, including medical marijuana - which
often has a higher potency to better relieve the suffering of AIDS, Cancer,
and other patients. If enacted, this provision will allow the federal
government to send more medical marijuana patients and their caregivers to

federal prison for years, in some cases decades.

** Read Rep. Souder's explanation of his bill here:
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/ctt.asp?u=1876&l=9390. Our analysis is
based on Souder's explanation and our discussions with congressional staffers.

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[NOTE: I turned the .pdf of Rep. Souder's explination of the bill from the
above URL into the text below before forwarding this msg]

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3: 16 PM

Subject: FW: Dear Colleague; Criminal Justice; Drug Sentencing Reform Act

HELP IMPROVE FAIRNESS AND EFFECTIVENESS IN DRUG SENTENCING

CO-SPONSOR THE DRUG SENTENCING REFORM ACT

November 19, 2003

Dear Colleague:

Before we adjourn for the year, I would like to ask for your support for
important legislation that will help ensure fairness and effectiveness in
drug sentencing: the Drug Sentencing Reform Act (DSRA). A recent GAO Report
has revealed problems with the judicial enforcement of Congressionally
mandated penalties for drug trafficking; in addition, the changing

narcotics threat has exposed some gaps in our drug laws. Here is a summary
of how this bill addresses these issues:

Regularizes the Use of "Downward Departures" in Sentencing

* Extends the "Feeney Amendment" sentencing reforms of the PROTECT Act
(restricting the grounds of downward departures to those specifically
approved by Congress and the Sentencing Commission) to drug offenses and
drug-and gang-related violence offenses.

Makes Additional Needed Improvements to Drug Crime Sentencing

* Ensures that drug testing will be mandatory to verify a no-drug-use
condition of parole or supervised release.

* Directs the Sentencing Commission to ensure that irrelevant personal
characteristics are not used as grounds for modifying sentences in drug
offenses and drug-and gang-related violence offenses.

* Amends certain parts of the Sentencing Guidelines to ensure their
compatibility with national policy on drug crimes, including the
prohibition on the use of dangerous weapons in connection with drug
offenses, and the requirement that defendants cooperate with authorities to
obtain certain sentence reductions.

Deters Drug Traffickers From Taking Advantage of Expedited Entry Programs

* Provides for enhanced penalties for persons convicted of smuggling drugs
into the U. S. through special facilitated entry programs for frequent
crossers (such as the SENTRI and NEXUS programs in use at land border
crossings, which allow participants to avoid most standard customs
inspections).

Modernizes Marijuana Sentences To Reflect the Rise in High-Potency Marijuana

* Amends current law to apply tougher penalties to persons smuggling
high-potency marijuana (such as "B. C. Bud"). Our marijuana laws were
drafted in an era when the potency of marijuana, as measured by the
percentage of THC (the psychoactive component of the drug) was only 3
percent. Today, even low-grade marijuana is at 6 percent, while "B. C. Bud"
is at levels of 25 percent and even higher.

I will be introducing this legislation before the end of this session, and
I would very much appreciate your support. If you are interested in
co-sponsoring the DSRA, or have any questions about the bill, please have a
member of your staff call Nick Coleman at 5-2577. A copy of the legislation
and a more detailed explanation of its provisions will be provided to you
upon request.

Thank you very much for your time and concern. I look forward to working
with you to address the continuing problem of illegal drug trafficking and
abuse in our communities.

Sincerely,
  /s Mark Souder

Mark E. Souder
Chairman
Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources
Government Reform Committee 
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New charges vs. Israel in '67 ship attack

By Nicholas M. Horrock
UPI Chief White House Correspondent
Published 10/24/2003 2:59 PM
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WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 (UPI) -- A private commission investigating the 1967 attack on the U.S. spy ship USS Liberty on Wednesday released the sworn testimony of one naval investigator that the Israelis knew the ship was American and intended to "murder its entire crew."

Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, killing 34 U.S. sailors and injuring 172 others in one of the deadliest attacks suffered by a U.S. ship that remained afloat.

The Israeli government claimed it was a case of "mistaken identity" and that their pilots were gunning for a 1937-era Egyptian freighter, but this claim set off a 36-year controversy between the two countries. Both U.S. and Israel groups have investigated the attack over the years, but the issue has never been settled.

Coming now, the evidence becomes part of a controversy over Israelis influence in Washington and whether it has tilted the Bush administration toward Jerusalem.

A private commission headed by a former chief of naval operations, retired Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, made public an affidavit by retired Capt. Ward Boston, formerly of the judge advocate general's office and one of two senior naval officials investigating the attack.

"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral (Isaac) Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 America sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack as well as their superiors who had ordered the attack, were aware the ship was American."

Though Boston had made these charges informally, this was the first time a sworn affidavit supported them. Boston said he had been a serving naval officer and followed orders keeping quiet about his knowledge for 36 years. "I am outraged at the efforts of apologists for Israel in this country to claim this attack was a case of 'mistaken identity,'" he wrote. "In particular, the recent publication of Jay Cristol's book, the 'Liberty Incident,' twists the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the attack. It is Cristol's insidious attempt to whitewash the facts that has pushed me to speak out." Cristol, a retired Navy pilot and member of judge advocate's office, published a book in 2002 that found the attack was accidental.

Boston said "I saw the flag, which visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear the Israelis intended there be no survivors."

With the help of Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the private commission arranged a news conference in the Rayburn House Office building. Moorer said the group wants the official naval report rescinded and a new court of inquiry convened and investigations launched by appropriate Capitol Hill committees.

The first court of inquiry was ordered by Adm. John S. McCain Jr. -- father of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. -- who was then commanding in London and over the vessels in the Mediterranean. Kidd and Boston conducted the inquiry in Malta where the Liberty had been taken for repairs and care of the wounded. Though they both agreed the attack was intentional, Kidd prepared a report that went with the Israeli version. "I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense (Robert) McNamara ordered him to conclude the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity,'" Boston's affidavit said.

There are numerous discrepancies between the Israeli version and the U.S. sailors' report. The U.S. sailors reported they were under aerial surveillance by Israeli planes for hours before the attack and were flying the American flag. They said they were hit by aircraft, torpedoed and strafed by fast-moving surface vessels. The Israelis said only aircraft were used in the attack. The sailors said that when they tried to launch lifeboats to secure the wounded the torpedo boats strafed and sank them. They reported that the Israelis jammed the radio so they couldn't call for help, but later when American aircraft were launched to help, they were recalled. Moorer said he has interviewed officers on the USS Saratoga, where the planes were based, who said the White House ordered them to abandon the rescue.

The Liberty was a World War II freighter converted to the role of a spy ship that the Navy said was very distinctive with massive aerials and satellite dishes. These spy vessels and spy flights later were replaced by satellite surveillance.

Why the Israelis would want to attack an American vessel has never been explained, but the incident came a few days into the 1967 Middle East war in which Egypt and Israel were adversaries.

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article located at:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031022-052400-3673r

USS Liberty website located at:

http://ussliberty.org/

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FYI if you didn't see this already.
There is video available.

http://cbs2.com/specialassign/local_story_321191402.html

Was this posted to this list?

http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/healthmindandbody/story/0,6000,1045038,00.html

I seem to remember some one saying that it was an improved version of the piece from the LA Weekly. Pinchbeck was at our forum on Sunday--which went really well, about 40 participants taking in an expanded 5 hour versionof the panel at the DPA conf, which was kind of rushed.

This was much better, amd as advertized there was debate in the first workshop--or at least a personality clash between Pincbeck and Patrick. The best thing was when the youngest garbagehead present averred that he would like to do ibogaine, of course--but that it made sense to focus on the anti-addictive properties at present.

Sandra from Iboga Therapy House was there, along with Narda, Romell and Jeff Gardiere, the radio host. But the first panel focused less on the question of resistance to Ibogaine due to the abstinence-based orientation of America at large, and more with what Ibogaine IS.

 The second panel, with Dr. Ken, Howard, Boaz, Dhoruba and Dimitri from Detroit dealt more with getting it to be  accessible to people who find Vancouver to be to much of a Schlep. But ongoing conversations made it clear that opening up in Windsor and Montreal may be more complicated it seemed at first blush.

The forum would be a good model for events in other Northeastern cities, though.


Dana/cnw

From: admin@...

   Just a breif note,

We deal with shops in Windsor, Montreal and Toronto who are more then happy to receive orders for our customers for a small fee. Thus making it more accessible to those in need.

Our new freebase extract and hcl are in the final stages of completion and will be released once a second analysis and certificate of analysis are provided. Time frame 1-2 weeks. likewise we have high quality root bark ranging in alkaloid content from 3-6% which will also be posted and available by this Friday.

Howard and Brett please contact us as previously mentioned.

Ciao

From: HSLotsof@...

Dana,

I don't understand why you call that pleasant young man a "garbagehead"?  All
he did was state he felt work should be prioritized towards ibogaine's
antiaddictive effects.

On all other issues the Ibogaine Forum was well done.  Very glad to have an
extended version of our short meeting at the DPA and the opportunity to view
Dr. Kenneth Alper's slide presentation.

Howard

From: gboy@...

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As advertised and as all you set it up for. When all you have time youre
not putting on a conference your doing a show and you know it. As advertised
exactly. Patrick does theater and his whole art of self destruction speech
and entheogen insanity is going to set off Pinchbeck who doesn't know

anything about drug addiction. Every space I ever go dan is pompous and
full of himself hes used to peeps bowing down to him as the wise drug
tourist, you know you put him next to Patrick and it's going to blow.
That's why you do it. And both of them played it. Pinchbeck starts to
talk patrick walks off the stage and Patrick talks pinchbeck get uptight
when he talks about entheogens, now you got patric talking. 'want to
step up to the mic daniel' don't think homeboy was going to kiss daniel.
Enjoyed the show love seeing great theater, no solutions, all personality
clashes. The kicker being Dhoruba Bin Wahad giving another 12 steps suck
rant. The only part you forgot was to get anyone to debate pro 12 steps.

Usually there are two sides in a debate. I'd love to see anyone pro the

12 steps debate patrick and dhoruba. patrick can givea deranged rant,
 then punch him and dhoruba can shoot him and throw the body in a car.

What it is that dhoruba bin wahad has done for addiction. All I know
about him is robbing and killing drug dealers with the black panthers,
 to protect the community by spending their money and selling the drugs

themselves. all they started was the whole black preying on each other
mentality that hip hop promotes today. murdering officers in uniform
then getting away with it and suing the city of ny for a million and
winning. Nice person.

Dana no need to disrespect your audience nobody in it can be any sicker
then all of you on the stage.

Great show, where do I get the video? :->

.g

From: CallieMimosa@...

wow! harsh review!

From: ganjacat@...

But I bet it contains more TRUTH than any other review. Just hope that something is learned from it.

 

As Elvis said "A little less conversation a little more action".

 

>^..^<

From: Maya McCarthy <cnw@...>

my personal opinion is that the tension between the speakers provided dynamic which was critical and frankly,made the conference more interesting, also i would like to add that Rommel Washingtom spoke about the pros and cons of 12-step programs. i was paying attention.   

ps i thought Dana did a great job                     

next time we need more promotions to addicts, im not surprised how little of them came.

respectfully yours

Maya McCarthy

From: CallieMimosa@...

I would have come if it was closer to my home in Nashville!
Is there any way some of these forum could go on the road?
I work in the medical field and I am an addict who has other addict friends who still use and addict friends in recovery, both 12 step and methadone maintenance. I have yet to meet anyone who has ever heard of Ibogaine!
Education of the public and professionals is what Ibogaine needs now! If more people knew about it maybe it would be considered a treatment option here in the States faster.

I want to know why at an Ibogaine forum would 12 step approach be debated?
No one approach in treatment is going to work for 100% of the addicts. 12 steps programs are great! It is a wonderful outline to use to manage yourself and your demons or 'shortcomings' as they say in AA.
Can we not all work together so to speak?
I know that I respect counselors or therapists who are well versed in all treatment models and can help an individual discover what will be best or work for them.

I note so much anger and hostility on this list at times.
It tickles me but more than that after the humor goes away it is sad that all you intelligent people can't accept one another and pull together for the common goal of helping addicts clean up!

Loving this list though!
Callie

From: ibogaine@...

i took ibogaine 1 month ago, it was an amazing experience. i'm feeling stronger everyday. it feeeeeeels so good to be alive again after almost 10 grueling years as a junkie. thank you, everyone, everything. thank you so much.
 

justin thyme

From: jardin.dj@...

I'm glad for you ! ;-) Take good care.

Martine

From: bcalabrese@...

Justin,

Congradulations on getting your life back, enjoy.

Just FYI/FWIW. Some people require more than one
treatment, some don't, I am sure I will do it again

though I don't have any addictions to conquer - in
more moderate dosages. Some of "IT" (the
ibo/knowledge/understanding/nor-ibo plugged into
receptors...) fades in time, some of it doesn't.
Meaning, a lot of goodness is still ahead but a lot of
the ibo-glow will fade, things tend to get more normal
- and often more challenging as time goes on. Get a
life, work on yourself, "enjoy" for sure, be true to
yourself (you know what to and what not to do...),
yadda, yadda. 

What happened to me was that after my first 6 months
it was like "where did IT go", and then things got
difficult (for me) and I needed re-treats/boosters. In
retrospect, 20/20 I really can't say there isn't some

kind of therapy or something I didn't do that I should
have done - no. There are others who seem to do fine

with just 1 tx and never look back.

Anyway, just a heads-up, the glow fades, life comes
back, shit happens and no, you don't have to get high
over it, what is the use anyway??? But now, you KNOW,
you can have freedom, you can have your life, you can
have a future, ABSOLUTELY without a doubt and it is

now;

"YOUR CHOICE"

You are very welcome BTW, it would be nice to hear
your story/experience, if you feel like sharing.

Brett

From: windforme@...

Whoa, I was right there and didn't see any of that...all i saw was Daniel trying to keep Patrick
in check with his time, there was a minor tangent you see, no big deal.

What I don't understand is why some of you on this list are so quick to be sh*t disturbers!
Blowing things way out of proportion is not my style and I don't see the point in it. This is the
first opportunity I've had to respond to all of this since the NYC forum. All I can say is that if
this continues it would be of no surprise to me that Ibo is never taken seriously. There's so
much infighting and b*llsheiza within the ibo movement it makes me sick. Why? What's the
point? We ( and i do stress  the "we" to be all of us) will never get anywhere if this continues.
Sometimes it's funny, but mostly it seems counterproductive. Not that productivity is a forte of

many on this list, but it could be and it seems to me that this list was created so that we
could communicate on these important issues. There are some on this list who are looking

for information, help and support, it is these people's concerns that should come first. Cryptic
displays of ego battles could wait for another list...

inflowe,

Sandra




----- Original Message -----
From: "GanjaCat" <ganjacat@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:19:40 +0100
To: <ibogaine@...>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Guardian article, NYC Ibogaine forum


>> But I bet it contains more TRUTH than any other review. Just hope that
>> something is learned from it.
>> 
>> As Elvis said "A little less conversation a little more action".
>> 
>
>>> >^..^<
>
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: CallieMimosa@... [mailto:CallieMimosa@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:10 PM
>> To: ibogaine@...
>> Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Guardian article, NYC Ibogaine forum
>> 

>> wow! harsh review!

From: ptpeet@...

This is the same in the entire reform movement as near as I can tell, with a
lot of folk out there who aren't too concerned about the broader picture but
would rather indluge in squabbling and the like between ourselves as opposed
to ending the freakin' war by opposing the prohibitionists themselves. I
guess it's easier to bicker than really fight in constructive ways
sometimes.
    This is by no means a diss to anyone, just pointing out that I see the
innermovement bickering all the time and how little real reform or change in
view is subsequently accomplished.
Peace,
Preston

From: stevenanker@...

"Why can't we all just get along."
-Rodney King

Say, why not work together? I do believe we are the minority fighting an oppressive majority.

On the bright side the Los Angeles CBS affiliate broadcast a very positive piece on ibo last night. As L.A. is the cultural center of the Universe and all trends start here, who knows? Celebrity junkies kicking via ibogaine (and going public) would certainly help in this star-fucker culture of ours.

From: marc@...

There is no bickering here in Canada. I don't permit it. End of story.

Marc Emery

From: ganjacat@...

You arrogant S.O.B!

Whatcha think you are, some kind of dictator?

For a dude who dare not even take the sacrament, you talk a big game.

Stick to conning dumb yankee potheads, dude, leave the dirty work to
those with the heart to do it from the heart.

Fuming!

GeeCee

From: marc@...

Dissent is permitted, just not unproductive bickering.

Marc Emery

Respected Elder

From: windforme@...

what the????


i don't get it...i'm not posting anymore, i guess my point wasn't understood. bye.

From: petermooremd@...

Sandra,

I for one hope you stick around and please do post, you sound great, and with the possible exception of 'b*llsheiza', we do get your point...
GeeCee,
As a fellow canadian, I can vouch that Marc's comment(s) pass for local humor...He's what we call a funny SOB....
 
Wrong side of bed kinda thing, eh?
 

On the other hand, it's not a bad idea if all them participants would dose up on ibo just before the next conference- now that's something I'd pay to see.... imagine turning down the lights and the whole panel's glowin'....
 
peace,
Pete
 

 From: carlambarnes@...

 I've been reading this list nearly since it started,
which is a long time before marc emery ever dosed
anyone in canada with ibogaine. I've watched it grow
from a much smaller number of people to something that
keeps getting bigger and bigger and seen a lot of the
same problems come up and go away again at least a
dozen times.

I too have been upset about things that are said here,
taken them the wrong way and gotten sick of all of it
and stopped reading it for months before coming back.
Sometimes I'm not even sick of it I just become busy
and don't pay as much attention and hit delete as
often as not unless I know who the poster is.

I could be wrong but I've seen nearly every person who
is attacked on this list also act like a really kind

and helpful person. I think that most of us believe in
ibogaine and do what we can to promote it in our own
ways. For me this just means talking to people I know

at 12 step meetings (ducking and hiding) or who knew
me when I was on methadone maintence and telling them
that this wonderful thing exists.

I think there have been a lot of attempts to get
everyone to agree or organize in one way or another
but everyone is a individual and has their own
opinions about how ibogaine should progress and as
I've also watched everyone here argue with one
another, I think that mostly people are friends and
nearly everything happens in the background off the
list anyway 

I also think that a lot of people all have this idea
that they have the one right way to do things, but I
don't think that's true and I don't think most people
want to be organized. Which as years have gone by has
made me appreciate a place that anyone can say
anything they want without fear of being censored or
told to stop. Sometimes there is a lot of noise and
anger here sometimes there are great people and good
information.

What I think I'm trying to say is if you want people
to act in a certain way, then you're banging your head
against the wall and expecting people to do something
that they won't do so it's only going to lead to
making yourself unhappy. Don't take it so seriously
and don't take it personally, I don't think half the
people who posted said anything except it was a good
show and they had a good time. Not exactly the same as
shit stirring but gossip is fun and people like a good
show  The message gets across and everyone is
entertained I think that's the general idea no?

Carla B

 From: HSLotsof@...

In a message dated 11/21/03 7:17:55 AM, ptpeet@... writes:

<< >On the other hand, it's not a bad idea if all them participants would dose

up on ibo just before the next conference- now that's something I'd pay to

see.... imagine turning down the lights and the whole panel's glowin'....<


I don't think I'd pay, but I'd most certainly be there with

pad/recorder/pen/camera in hands. >>

Well, if they dosed about two hours before the meeting with full therapeutic
doses , I doubt there would be presentations and unless there were beds they
would probably be on the floor or thrown over the table.  As for a recorder you
might get room ambiance or the tone of the audience but, from the speakers
hardly a word unless you were aggressive and then you might get cooperation or,
an aggressive response in turn.  What you recorded on camera would also be
boring:  Motionless bodies though one might turn from side to side now or then.

Howard

From: jadensheldon@...

Bickering Schmickering. Thats my only comment on that. I just did a gram of HCL for a detox and interuptor. It did its work of course. It always seems to. Im doing many things differently this time. Its so easy to get cocky with the ibo-glow hey? Nice, Im cured.

Heres a question. After care. Where is it? What does it look like? Ive been looking into it for quite a while now. Ive been trying to write it all out. Everything I can find because I want to put it all together in case someone needs to read it. So far after every time Ive done Ibogaine the only support I can find is this list. Studying Ibogaine. All aspects of it. You guys are my unwitting teachers. I know there are other eager minds out there. I have vitality that I want to put to use.

 I believe that there needs to be a list such as this for people who have done Iboga but with a focus of after care.
  I know Ibogaine leaves a bad taste in all our mouths when we eat it but when you try to talk about it to people it leaves a bad taste in their mouths through lack of understanding. My dads a Dr so you can guess what talking to him is like. NA AA want honesty. What are you doing now? Conversation ends there. This Church Ive been going to with a program called Celebrate Recovery shunned me for the Ibogaine and the Chinese Herbs I followed up with. What a stab. Its enough getting it from the people in the world but thats why we need more banding together on the list.

 So its a solo mission and this list and the information on Iboga like the Dossier and the books are all I have.
Im in Canada and cant leave the country to go to conferences so when they happen it would be nice to hear the meat of them not the "bickering". I just would like to do something and the only thing I can come up with is after care.

 So, any links, suggestions, thoughts, opinions. I just need to be pointed in a direction.
 
  And Martine, I appreciate your fresh and positive views. It encourages me very much. And I like reading your writings Preston. I like how almost everyone on this list have some other huge project that they take care of. Its such a huge fight for everything. The whole Methadone things sucks. So lets start NAMA. You all do something about something and I respect that because after reading up on everyone, most of you come from where I am right now.
 
 Another thing, I know both Marc and Sandra and I can give you quality assurance. Marc is patient enough to deal with addicts like myself and the only thing I saw in those postings was his sense of humour.
 
And another-nother thing I was wondering is how many observers we have. Like me. I just sat back for a year. Because Im young and I really cant keep up with you guys. But for all the wallflowers hello and you should say something. Because I cant be the only one who needs to know that there are others out there who are fresh to the whole experience.
 

As much as things seem to be clearer, minds are easily moulded post Ibogaine I think. Because theres just so much you want to know. Its like getting your boyhood curiosity back but alas I ramble...

Jaden

From: petermooremd@...

Howard wrote:
(snip)...and unless there were beds they would probably be on the floor or thrown over the table...
 
Howard,
You say that as though that's a bad thing...
Ok, kidding aside, what about half a dose, or even a quarter? Because, as you know, that's a whole other story.
First thing to go is one's ego, it's like hitting the 'ejection-seat' button...  And what, a good day or two before it reappears and at least 2 weeks on 'best behavior'- but I digress...

The chakras, they kick into fourth gear and that takes a little getting use to, but then you settle on a pleasant, yet exhilarating, cruising altitude- make that; attitude...   And the parlor tricks, like how you can hear thru walls and see people's thoughts and vice versa.. Or how you suddenly gain 'administrative privileges' to your body and you just *know* everything there is to know about every single cell- heck you're on a first name basis - except there's no way of translating any of it into this primitive medium of communication (language)...
And yes, you get to glow; you glow like Saint Superman on a kundalini marathon on some tropical island. (I used to work in advertising, -sorry) Superlatives aside, it's like running thru you're usual checklist and coming up empty-handed insofar as desiring or requiring anything *whatsoever*. It's this real and bottomless contentment that people seem to pick up on and under the right circumstances can even be contagious...

Of course at some point your glow will turn a tad greenish and if we're talking "conference" here, this would be when the first few rows ought to skedaddle to the back...
Keep the cameras rolling, and you'll catch some interdimensional/transgalactical/red-pill~blue-pill/REALLY REAL-TV! (really-really)

So I'm on a bit of a roll here, and besides a dash of hype, some of what I said pertains more to a full dose, nonetheless, as some of you ibo-vets can attest, it's all true and then some....
But all this got me thinking, Howard, that while I have the utmost respect for you and for your work, AND without meaning to piss off anyone in particular, from where I stand, 'ibo' and 'conference' just don't go together. You might as well have ibo business meetings..
For starters, in case no one noticed, until recently we had 2(!) 24/7, all year round, free for all, hyper-linked and multi-indexed conferences; calyx and mindvox. And best of all, you can attend in your underwear. It's really that simple. All in favor, click your mouse.

Another point being; it's not like we're all pulling together, trying to get the current ibo 'beta version' to work- it works fine, it works great!! Whether it's HCl or rootbark, Ethnogarden's upcoming freebase extract or 15 year-old Indra- it works miraculously!!!  Moving on...

So how do you work with it?
My take, or insight, on it is that the primary objective in taking iboga ought to be; Integrity, call it inner-integrity or personal integrity, it's really the reintegration thereof. It's that first step. And when it clicks, you cherish and value that which you've regained above and beyond anything else. Get yourself there and everything else falls into place. (truth being, you can get there without taking ibo) It's not about the cleansing, physical or otherwise, it's not the alleviation of withdrawal symptoms nor eradicating cravings; it's not about working thru childhood events nor about experiencing a rebirth as pleasant as that may be. All of these things are valid but secondary to that inner-integrity....  And you know what it feels like? Like this eagerness and willingness to pay all your dues, be they what they may be, it's like this Rocky in you picking himself up and starts pummeling back (COME ON!!!) You suddenly know that you can rid yourself of all your demons; it's like this glee in ya, it's open season on personal demons and they know it... (COME ON!!!)
And down the road, one or a few may come into your life, seeking your assistance in this matter and you'll find yourself in self-imposed servitude- and no less grateful for the opportunity to be of service than for having obtained the sacrament or the breakthru for yourself... but don't tarry there, cuz that's not cool either... This, imo, is how ibo will spread out, this is the new paradigm... ibo-vets being recruited by those in need, and not the other way around....
And my killer point; Why even bother trying to get iboga sanctioned or legitimatized by Uncle-Emperor Sam? While some of you may want him to switch his verdict from thumbs down to thumbs up, I'd rather see his entire arm applied as a self-administered rectal thermometer...  Besides, let's imagine for a sec, no, not that,  that this 'thumbs up' came to pass, what then? Pharmaceutical giants sponsoring next year's ibo conference in Las-Vegas or perhaps Hawaii? TV commercials for Ibo Patch©? Judges sentencing offenders to ibo clinics...?

I'm way past giving a rat's ass about all the lab coats, the blue uniforms, the black robes and the big wigs- they are collectively as irrelevant and as easily avoidable as dog shit on pavement; it's just as ludicrous to ask their permission to move on past them, as it is to ask one's ego to shrivel up and die voluntarily.
To sum things up, I do think that the best ibo conference would be where all the attendees would dose up, especially if that means not a peep for 3-4 days, because for them, like for the rest of us, what really matters, is where we go from there.
 
peace,

Pete

From: jardin.dj@...

Thanks for all your comments on that subject : Humour is such a gooooood vitamin !

I first misunderstood the invisible funny mood, and I was glad to get it, thanks to "The One" who did make it clear.
And yes, I think that the Ibo's elders have to pay attention to avoid when possible those misunderstandings ;-)
That list is really precious.
I've checked in my dictionnary, and in my " How to say it in english " and in "Harraps' idioms" and  I don't get it, what does SOB mean ? I know now the word " Bicker", and I like it ;-)

Nice day for all !
 
Martine

 

From: vector620022002@...

This conversation happened at least a few times already and after a lot
of people thought up names I think Mindvox ended up hosting at least
one or maybe two after ibogaine lists only for people who have done it.
I'm not on any of them but as far as I know they were like the old
calyx list which means they had 5 new messages in a month and then
trickled off to nothing. I could be wrong but someone who is on them or
moderates them here would know the answer better.

There is a after-ibo list or lists on mindvox already I just don't know

their names, someone anyone?

The other talk about live conferences and personalities and all, I'm
sure that this list is more useful then all the conferences put
together because everyone in the entire ibogaine world at least reads

it and its a central place to make contact, but the personalities is
what makes it all come to life and makes it fun!  Otherwise you can
just go download the ibogaine science from ibogaine.org. I've never
been to a ibo conference but would love to go and if Patrick,
Pinchbeck, Doruba, Dana, Howard and all will be there, I'm going to
start saving up for tickets  I love the personality conflicts and
craziness    If I want science I can go read pubmed    I
dont want to pay to go to a conference and be bored, I want to have a
good time and be entertained!

.:vector:.

From: ibogaine@...

yo jaden,

concerning the aftercare part, i think it's one of the best things you can do after the iboga. i ended up in mexico 48 hours after my journey and stayed there for 2 1/2 weeks. i felt it was very good for me to be able to have new environment for my new perspective. if money's an issue perhaps visiting a good relative or friend outside of your normal routine for a coupla weeks. ibogaine was beautiful for me, but i don't think of it as a miracle (it only makes sense that since we come from nature that nature also has everything to provide for us). i felt, i'm feeling, that i've gotta do my share, iboga pointed me in the direction i was looking for and NOW it's up to me to take that path. now that i'm back in oregon, i feel inspired to talk about ibogaine with other junkies (and just about anyone else who's receptive). i goto needle exchanges and drop of ibogaine info, i peruse the streets where i once used to score, talking to my brothers that feel like they're at the end of a road. many people said i shouldn't be going into my old junkie turf, but i feel to share not abandon and isolate. and this has actually reaffirmed the path i'm on. there was a deeply inter-related neural net in my mind that ibogaine helped to extract, so it feels like there's a blank space in there that i should fill with things, like cleaning out an old drawer and then finding things to put back in it. it's such a beautiful feeling, cultivate it, grow your garden.
 

i've had mixed feelings about this list. i joined it about 7 years ago, searching for the magic root. after two years i became disenchanted with the ibo list. i saw sooo much talk and sooo little action. i was down and out, i really wanted help finding ibogaine, but people seemed more interested in other things. i even called and talked with some of the big names here, which was a bummer at the time because i would've rather spent money on dope than dead-end phone calls. but hey, no body's perfect, we all have our issues, and it's just about being open with them and sharing our ideas. understanding and embracing eachothers ideas, embracing variety, the spice of life.

i wish you the best jaden, stay clear, lucid, and aware of your deep understanding.

i'm not sure if this was info your looking for, but oh well ;)
 
namaste,
thyme

From: tgoodson7@...

Jaden:  You bring up some very valuable points.  In some ways "After-Care" may be as important
if proper follow-up is secured, as the original IBOGAINE THERAPY.   Without it too many addicts
relapse or recidivate fail in their attempt to stay sober.  It is not a particular weakness so much
as it the very nature of ADDICTION.

I am 80 years old and I have never been addicted, fortunately, so I cannot speak from experience but as an interested observer and having a Grandson, 26 years old,who was addicted from the age of 12
and is serving a 5 year term now for transgressions committed after having a complete 6 day treatment with IBOGAINE, the absence of proper follow-up therapy was sorely missed.  With proper
"After-Care" I feel sure he would have made it.  No one is a stronger advocate for IBOGAINE than he.
 
 Even now, he says he must have a booster treatment of Ibogaine Therapy when he is free and he  now knows the value of follow-up therapy.   I remain committed to and am totally convinced that it

is the only existing affective treatment for "DRUG ADDICTION"
 
I am a convinced observer of Marc Emery's authenticity and his dedication to serving his fellow men.  There are other individuals actively involved in the service and treatment of "Drug Addicts"

who can help and give you valuable.
 
One thing you can do is start a "Group Therapy" following right in your own community.  Your active participation in such a group would probably benefit you to an unlimited extent.  And your message gives me the idea you are "Champing at Bit" to get into the action of the Drug Reform
movement and the clean-up after-math of the over-all experience.
 
Other than Marc Emery, there are other individuals around the country who can help you.  One of these people is the gentleman with whom I dealt for my Grandson for treatment is an Eric Taub.  He
is a fine person and has helped hundreds of ADDICTS.  He, as much as any one I know, can give
you more information.   He is located in Gainsville, Fl.  Marc Emery is in Vancouver, B. C., Canada.
 
First, though, there is tons of information on the internet about the treatment and "After-Care" of addicts.  Learn all you can from this source and especially the first person accounts of "Recovering Addicts" who have successfully taken the necessary "Ibogaine Therapy
Treatments" and the follow-up group therapy deemed so necessary and indispensable for
continued sobriety. 
 
I understand Eric has treated more 450 addicts; he has a very special ambition to treat 5% of the world's addicts.  There are many dedicated individuals in the activity of "Drug Problem Solving" and
more are getting into the action all the time.  One day I trust that there will be enough people in the
"FIGHT" to blow the lid off the cult of secrecy surrounding the "Drug and Ibogaine Movement".
 
One day politicians will acknowledge the efficacy of IBOGAINE and jump on the "band-wagon".
 
I am not a philanthropist; just an old man sitting on the side lines adding a word here and there in
the hopes of helping some poor unfortunate "DRUG ADDICT".  I am not religious, "But for the grace
of God it could be me".
 
I am not an expert on Drug Addiction but I sure have learned a hell of a lot about addiction as an
interested observer.  I never really wanted to know anything about DRUGS AND DRUG ADDICTION.
 
Eric Taub's  e-mail address is ibeginagaine@....  Marc Emery's e-mail address is info@ibogainetherapyhouse.

Tommy Goodson

From: gboy@...

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I agree with carla too, in 2 years i've posted to this list 3 times and
keep on reading it because it doesn't bore me. I now got a inbox full
of hate mail or peeps who are saying right on all the peeps who rep ibo
are maniacs. I dont care about the hate i hit deleat, the peeps going
right on didnt understand anything I said because all their mail says
the same thing, everybody should be more like they are and theyre the

ones who should be doing all the talking except nobody cares to hear

it.
I liked the conf a lot, I loved dhoruba and I i love seeing patrick and
pinchbeck because its like two sides of a different world, homeboy is
a drug monster who's done more of everything then near anybody i ever
heard of, pinchbeck is a burning man entheo weenie, they got a lot of
tension and put on a great show i'd pay just to see the two of them put
on a entheogen deathmatch ;-> no issues at all. if everybody did a science

talk i'd fall asleep its dull, the whole show was dope, nice combo of
everything. if saundra is going to be all bent out of shape over one
msg then smoke another bowl and calm down because thats bullshit, like
i say my opinion and i'm not allowed to? who elected you god. the people
dissing marc emery is a joke too, lighten up and get a sense of humor.

My exact issue is with dana beal dissing people as garbageheads. nobody
needs to be hearing that shit when I paid money to get in their and watch
this, if i'm a garbagehead then i would have taken my money and spent
it on another bag. that was not called for. that's my issue. I do not
need to pay money to see a show and then have someone who put it on diss

people for attending. especially stoners who are baked 24/7 saying that
shit. who you talking to, say it to yourself.

.g

 

From: jadensheldon@...

Thank you for your responses. Tommy G. Im sorry to hear about your Grandson. I think its wonderfull that you take such an interest in Iboga and addiction itself. He is very lucky to have you. You are right, I am "chomping at the bit". I cannot go to see my blood relatives, foster brothers and sisters or freinds because they are all of that lifestyle. Its tough. I send them care packages.

 I have all this drive now that I didnt have before because its a selfless drive. I want to do something beneficial with these hands of mine.
 
 Hello Thyme.
 I think what you are doing is really great. Its been about six weeks since I took Ibogaine and I havent put anything into my system since. But I still get physical and mental triggers. I get dreams. But I can fight them. Its just that when I go to my old stomping grounds Im afraid that it would be too overwhelming. I would love to help whether it be at the safe injection site, needle exchanges or anything to do with the people I know. Even people who never took Iboga find the strength to go back. I want to get into the fight. Just on the other side. Marc Emery, who treated me is very busy and believes that if you are a patient then you cant help in the treating of people. Im a guinea pig at best. I want to be more. I know I have it in me. Anyways I like what you are doing it helps me to hear about it. What people do after Iboga.
 

There is a after-ibo list or lists on mindvox already I just don't know

their names, someone anyone?

I have been looking for this and cannot find it, so again, someone, anyone?

From: gammalyte9000@...

Hey Jaden,

Just a suggestion, give yourself some time to do more healing before you try to
do outreach work, jumping into the fire too soon could be too much too soon.
Investing into yourself at this point is a really good idea, that may sound
selfish but it is really important, and in the long run you will have more to
offer to others. I went thru the same urge to want to make a difference and
give back to my addict peers, which backfired on me eventually and I ended up
going back to using, because I thought I could handle the "old stomping
grounds". Hell, I thought I was invinceable. But I'm not... Not that I
surrender to the 12 step modality of "Powerlessness", personally that doesn't
work for me. But getting some time/healing under your belt is a good thing, at
the very least ease yourself slowly into helping others.

Peace,
~DH

From: ptpeet@...

Hi Jaden,
    I'd like to second Gamma's note above. Just speaking from personal
experience, I found it was a good idea for me to simply take it easy for a
while, get my head together and get used to being awake and not chasing bag
after bag or looking for ways to scam up some cash to cop those

aforementioned bags. After having spent years doing nothing but trying to

get high or getting high, it took some time to get those old habits out of
me, and hell, I still find myself at times looking at old get high spots and
thinking, "hey, I could get high right there and no one would know." Give
youself some time to heal, and to figure out where and how you would feel
best in helping out other addicts. There's no need to rush- as a matter of
fact, that impatience thing is often a traight of most addicts, which means
it is a good idea to force yourself to learn to relax, go slowly, don't rush
in to things on the spur of the moment.
    That said, do what you feel most comfortable doing- but in my own humble
opinion, you might want to take Gamma's advice and just go slow, treat only
yourself for a while (though that might seem selfish, it's not I don't
think, as you won't be doing anyone else any good if you wind up screwing
yourself over again), treat yourself as someone special, in need of special
attention. There will always be others to help out when you yourself are
stronger and have more "clean" time in you.
Peace and best of luck to you.
Preston

From: sara119@...

Thanks Gamma,

 Also it is about confusion and being hypocritical,
Money will not buy them love will not show them the way will not cure
them from greed.

On the other hand, there is no harm with being critical or having
freedom of speech or provoking, even when it doesn't sound or look so
sweet.
A movment needs friction.

Groetjes
S.

From: ibogaine@...

i think x-junkies might make the best facilitators. but it's definitely nothing to rush into. you've gotta put in your time. everything in good time. i just do what i feel to do. ideas are alot like fires i guess, they might just dwindle away if not fueled enough and left alone, and they might just burn yourself if you feed em too much and they get outta hand. watch out for burdens, do what feels comfortable. healing yourself IS "getting into the fight". lots of love and strength to you, jaden, and everyOne. namaste

thyme

From: windforme@...

Yipes! It's been awhile since I've been able to read the list, it's amazing to see so many responses to this thread. It's good. I guess all I really need to clarify is that I'm not really as 'bent' as it may have come across. My point was intended to be simple: basically, i took the description of the interaction between Kroupa and Pinchbeck at the forum to be a little bit more than what I had personally experienced or perceived. I didn't really think it was such a big deal...My second response was  just a reaction to the s.o.b/saddam emery thing...I said I wouldn't post anymore 'cause I think it's kinda silly really. Funny too, mind you. I meant that I wasn't going to post on this topic anymore, not on the list entirely...As you can see I've changed my mind about posting on this thread. I felt like I should share my thoughts now that it's gone this deep and re-clarify...

Someone posted earlier that it would have been good to hear a synopsis of what was talked about, I think that's a great idea as a lot of great information was shared. It was a totally worthwhile experience. The forum was filmed, I'm just waiting to get a copy of it so that we can post it on pot-tv for all to see. Stay tooned...

I'd love to see more co-operation between people in the ibo movement. Please don't take my comments to be more than that. My reasons for wanting to see less focus on the nitty gritty is really directly related to my work. There's so much to learn sometimes it seems slightly overwhelming, and when the focus get's switched to well, whatever...it get's a bit frustrating for me, but i'm openminded regardless and paying attention whenever possible. So don't go git'n yer knickers in a knot over trivials...


On another note, perhaps now a new topic:

We're in the process of creating a database of information for people who have undergone Ibo therapy. At the therapy house this means starting in our own backyard in B.C. and contacting service providers, therapists, counsellors, detox progs., insite, people working in all sorts of treatment modalities such as md's, naturopaths, homeopaths, yoga instructors, nutrition counsellors, masseurs and others, as well as reps. from the compassion clubs, drug user advocacy groups etc...to create a list of people who are informed about ibo therapy and willing to offer their support to those who have experienced it and need support in aftercare (like Jaden).

It's quite a task to take on but we're hoping to have our first meeting soon and I think there's going to be a strong group there. Hopefully we can at least begin with a links page that provides some options to check out.

The plan is to expand it into a database of these options available around the globe. Anyone interested in sending links/ideas/contact info please contact me off list at sandra@.... It would be a useful tool for all of us I think. 

thx and cheers out to all you freaks,

-madam madass saddam sandra

From: HSLotsof@...

Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2003 Jun;75(3):607-18.     
 
Anti-addictive actions of an iboga alkaloid congener: a novel mechanism for a
novel treatment.

Maisonneuve IM, Glick SD.
Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, Albany Medical College,
MC-136, 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA. maisoni@...
18-Methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), a novel iboga alkaloid congener that
decreases drug self-administration in several animal models, may be a potential
treatment for multiple forms of drug abuse. In animal models, 18-MC reduced
intravenous morphine, cocaine, methamphetamine and nicotine self-administration, oral
alcohol and nicotine intake, and attenuated signs of opioid withdrawal, but
had no effect on responding for a nondrug reinforcer (water) and produced no
apparent toxicity [Brain Res. 719 (1996) 29; NeuroReport 11 (2000) 2013;
Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 58 (1997) 615; Psychopharmacology (Berl.) 139 (1998) 274;
NeuroReport 9 (1998) 1283; Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 914 (2000) 369]. Consistent
with a relationship among drug sensitization, mesolimbic dopamine, and

drug-seeking behavior, 18-MC also blocked the sensitized dopamine responses to morphine
and cocaine in the nucleus accumbens. An extensive series of receptor studies
showed that 18-MC was most potent and somewhat selective as an antagonist at
alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors. Low-dose combinations of 18-MC with other
drugs known to have this same action (e.g., mecamylamine, dextromethorphan,
bupropion) decreased morphine, methamphetamine, and nicotine self-administration in
rats at doses that were ineffective if administered alone. Together, the data
support the hypothesis that diencephalic pathways having high densities of
alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors modulate mesocorticolimbic pathways more
directly involved in drug reinforcement. Antagonists of alpha3beta4 nicotinic
receptors may represent a totally novel approach to treating multiple addictive
disorders, and 18-MC might be the first of a new class of synthetic agents acting
via this novel mechanism and having a broad spectrum of activity.

From: jenkster@...

  Dear Howard and List,

  BTW, speaking of publications, there are now a good number of scanned,
old papers available on puzzlepiece.org. Enjoy!

  Yours,

    Chris

Frorm: HSLotsof@...

Exceptional work Chris.  Well done.

Howard

From: alex05301@...

Ibogaine Survey
Please help - I am trying to put together some
information to present to my addiction class.  Your
imput would be much appreciated. Please email surveys
back to me by December 5th.  Thank you.

1) # of times you have taken ibogaine _______ since__
       1b) If you have never taken it, your interest in this
mailing list is (please complete as many questions
that follow as possible)__________

2) Reasons you have taken it are (list as many as
possible)_____________

3) Your age now ______
4) Your drug use history (brief)______________________


5) Current use/recovery situation ____________


6) Longest abstinence following ibogaine treatment
____________
7) History of use of any psychopharmacuticals (anti
depressents, etc) _

8) During time when ibogaine was 'in effect', any
steps you took to avoid relapse in the
future_______________

9) Ways ibogaine has affected your spiritual
perspectives/connections:____


10) Ways ibogaine has affected your long term
emotional/mental stability:_____

Thank you so much for taking the time to complete this
as fully as possible.  Your answers will aid my
process of introducing this treatment option to my

class. Again thank you so much.  -Lisa

IF YOU WANT YR CONTACT ON THE NEW IBOGAINE POSTER, SET UP AN IBOGAINE DROP-IN CENTER TODAY!

********************************************************************

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact info on the old list below, and add yr city to this New List

Albany: Terry Phelan 518-436-7098

Albuquerque: Cindy Giannini  Cin_L_@... (505) 880-0666 
Between 500 and 1000 participants in '02, no arrests

Ashland: "Amber Leiter" <amleiter@...> 1528 Township Road 1153, Ashland, Ohio 44805.

419-289-8810  419-207-8834

Asheville: 828-254-4062 Mary Jane dazed_n_confused420@... PO Box 1661, Asheville, NC Org email: lilpunkbabe420@... We had close to 5,000 people come out and smoke up with us.

Auckland: Albert Park. ph 09 302 52555 auckland@...  www.norml.org.nz  Chris Fowlie, NORML New Zealand, PO Box 3307, Shortland Street, Auckland, NZ

Berlin: Martin Muencheberg <martin@...> 0049-30-29490201 or e-mail: info@... , tel: +49 (0)30 24 72 02 33, fax: +49 (0)30 24 72 02 34    http://www.hanfparade.de/aktion/mmm

Boone: Joshua Nathan Simmons <js28918@...>  114 trivette's dr., boone, nc 28607

Bratislava: hromi@...  http://kyberia.sk 00420 776 126 587 Daniel Hromada, Haanova 44. Bratislava 851 04, Slovak Republic

Buenos Aires: daihatsu missminipimer@... www.mefis.to   or miss olga summers olgasummers@... www. ligalais.com  ARDA (011) 15 40289847 RADDUD (011) 46357820

Nos juntaremos el 4 de mayo, 16 hs., a fumar uno en el planetario buenos aires.

Buffalo:  Philip L Beavers jr./B.A.C.H <BLocman420@...>   600-700 people over the course of the day in '02; all 3 networks; no police problems

Burlington: Hardy Macia hardy@... 802-372-9512 

Capetown: "greggoodwin" <greggoodwin@...> or "Marcus \(Home\)" <mt3825@...> 082 674 2299     100 people, mostly Rasta's, in '02.

Christchurch: Blair Anderson <blair@...> Mild Green Media Centre ph:  ++64 3 389-4065   025 2657219 Website pages.quicksilver.net.nz/blair Newsforum news://http://www.reddfish.co.nz/alcp  see http://mildgreens.com/mmm2003.htm no arrests. police present but ignored. (you can see police cars in the background of some photos)  100's of joints thrown to the crowd. 100's of Cannabiscuits distributed. The bongs and chillums and hot knives were visible.. (see photo's)  about 300 people over about 4 hours. Street march... "prohibition free zone declared". briefly mentioned on local news.

Cincinnati: the Happy Hemptress <hemptress@...> 513-684-HEMP

Cleveland: John <OCannabisSociety@...> (216)521-9333 http://ohiocannbis.org 2,000 participants. No arrests.

Columbia: Henry Koch hkochii@...  or Malece Howard benegezzeret@...  803-413-8144  1300 Langford Rd Blythewood, SC 29016

Dallas: Paula Matson 817-299-8447

Darwin: mick lambe pariahnt@... or http://napnt.org napp biggpond <napnt@...> We are continually harassed by Police -- I'll forward this on to NAP as PARIAH are concentrating on other issues right now.

Dayton: Sterling Albury 937-685-9148 graspinfinity@...

Des Moines: iowanorml@... (515) 288-5798

http://iowanorml.home.mchsi.com/ http://commonlink.com/~olsen/ ,

mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/, http://www.iowanorml.org/

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/index.html ; or Terry Mitchell

(515) 789-4442; 608 Dallas St., Dexter, Iowa 50070. 300 marchers, police friendly.

Detroit: "Professor Hemp" <newagecitizen@...> 313-563-3192 or Dimitri 313-506-5724;

<http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/detroit.htm>www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/detroit.htm Noon-5:00pm Grand Circus Park at Woodward & Adams. Two bands, speakers and "Shattered Lives" display. Ibogaine press conference at 2:30pm   Sidewalk march at 4:20pm along Woodward

Dover: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.

Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716  299 demonstrators, 8,000 spectators, cops watched and did nothing in '02.

Dublin: "Butler, Philip" <phillty2@...> +353 1 4163707 or

<jday@...> http://www.cannabisireland.com/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//ie-cannabis/ 1,000 people in "02.

Dunedin: The Octagon. dunedin@...

Eugene: Kris Millegan <Hempsters@...> 800-556-2012

http://www.ctrl.org/mmm     600-800 folks in '02. One arrest.  Kris Millegan P.O. Box 577, Walterville, OR 97489

Fairbanks: "Melissa M. Hart" <melissahartless@...> Postal: 775 Gradelle St, Apt. E, Fairbanks, AK 99709

Fayetteville, Arkansas;  Rev. Tom Brown, revtombrown@...  (479) 251-1780; First Church of the Magi, P.O.Box 2827, 72702;  or Rev. Nancy Harris, nharris@... ; Sacred Truth Mission at (479) 582-4138

Ft. Lauderdale: Chris Kenoyer 954-938-7231 Florida Chapter AAMC America Alliance For Medical Cannabis http://www.onlinepot.org The Complete Guide To Medical Marijuana Fort Laudedale/broward county

email: floridaaamc@... More Secure Emails at onlinepot2@... - Or Normal Emails onlinepot2@...

Halifax: 902 865-8606 Michael Patriquin <mpat@...>

HempWorks, 93 Orchard Dr, Middle Sackville, Nova Scotia B4E 3B3

Hearst: 1-705-362-8402 <fdrlxmt@... >  Robert Neron, Box: 1346 Hearst , Ontario P0L 1N0
 

Helsinki : Finnish Cannabis Association http://www.sky.org sky@... Finnish Cannabis Association, Sorvaajankatu 9 A, 00810 Helsinki, Finland   600 - 1000 people in '03, at least in the park. In the evening happening there were lots of bands but only some 300 people because of another happening for younger audience w. similar themes. Because there were demonstrations in 4 cities (Helsinki, Tampere, Turku, Oulu) in Finland, news coverage was good.TV 1 showed Helsinki demonstration in the main news cast 8.30 PM.

Hilo: Roger Christie <pakaloha@...> (808) 961-0488

http://www.thc-ministry.org 200 in '02.

Houston: Dean Farrell houstonnorml.org or info@... (281)752-9198.

http://www.cultural-baggage.com c/o Dean Becker, 11215 Oak Spring, Houston, TX 77043 Total attendance was about 5 hundred in '02. Narc infiltrators mar event.

Hull: Carl Wagner phone: +44 01482494789   5 Victoria Square,

Ella Street, Hull HU5 3AL, U.K. A poor march in Hull, UK this year, but we had 1500

smokeybears in the park.

Kansas City: <mohemp@...> http://www.mohemp.org David 816-678-7447, 'its a

beautiful day' 3918 broadway, kansas city mo. 64111... 816 931

6169.

Lansing: Kathy Kennedy 517-628-3915 or e-mail: "kathy kennedy"

<prohibitionx@...> http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/lansing.htm  Certified ASL interpreters

Las Vegas: Stoner Club  c/o Kimberly B. greatquests@...  http://www.stonerclub.com  Please contact me for ideas and more information.  We are in the planning stages at this time

Leon: (Mexico) alejandro garcia growleon@...

Levin: Kimberly Reserve. levin@...

Mexico City: +5300 5774 email: helmcke@... or volgn@... or"Tato"  foigras2002@... "Camello"  cosmocamello@...  "Asoc. Mexicana de Estudios Sobre el Cannabis" <amecamexico@...> Leopoldo Rivera

Rivera/AsociaciÛn Mexicana de Estudios sobre el Cannabis,

Amapola # 35, col. Jardines del Molinito, Naucalpan, Estado de

MÈxico. CP. 53530 MEXICO or Adolfo Prieto 1003, Col. del Valle,

C.P. 03100, Mexico, D.F. or Samuel Martínez Ramírez

Av. Azcapotzalco #193-4 Col. Clavería Mexico D.F.

 www.vivecondrogas.com, www.amecamexico.org, www.hemp.com.mx Almost 300 people in '02.

Minneapolis: Grassroots Party or Chris Wright <TCW@...> 612-522-5374.  400 folks, no arrests in '02.

Missoula: John Masterson, Montana NORML 406 542-8696   March starts at noon at Jacob's Island.  ALong Clark Fork River, across Higgins Street Bridge and to the Court House.  Gathering with drummers, fire dancers, music, free hemp treats, and bartering until 4:19-  Spirited speakers and a moment of silence for those who are victims of the drug war.

Montpelier: Rama Schneider <vtmmm@...> (802) 433-5441

address: 1614 Gilbert Road, Williamstown, VT 05679

http://www.ramabahama.net Several people handed out literature in '02.

Napier: Marine Parade. hawkesbay@...

Nashville: "Howie & Marivuana Leinoff" <torml@...> or marivuana@... (615)ACT-HIGH. http://www.marivuana.com http://www.punkenstein.com  150 marchers, no arrests; first tv coverage in '02.

Newark: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.

Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716

New Orleans : Daisy 504-957-HERB hemp.rox.com    email:<NewOrleansMarch@...>

New York City: Dana 212-677-7180 <dana@...> 7,000 participants in '02. 148 arrests.

Nimbin: Max Stone of the Australian Cannabis Law Reform

Movement" aclrm@... ph: 61 0266 891842

http://www.nimbinaustralia.com http://www.bigbongburgerbar.com/webshow/ 24,000 participants in '02. No arrests.

Ogden: Happy Gorder happy04202003@... 801-603-4720 1065 Wall Ave (85A), Ogden, UT 84404

Omaha: Paul Tripp, omahanorml.com,  paultrip@... (402)598-6180 12216 Poppleton Plz. #238, Omaha, NE, 68144   Over 30 participants in '02.

 

Orlando: Anthony Lorenzo  407-687-1622 or1-888-210-0425 toll free pager

Paducah:  Cher Ford-McCullough http://community-2.webtv.net/KYMMM2003/KentuckyMillion/ Postal: 65 Cabin Lane, Gilbertsvile, Ky. 42044 or Brian kymmm2003@...  (270) 362-8186 50 marchers, 90 at rally, one undercover in '02.

Paris: FARId GHEHIOUECHE farid@... 00 33 (0)6 148 156 79 ; 5, rue de

Tombouctou 75018 PARIS or CAM-RD 9, passage Dagorno 75020 PARIS.

Since 2001, PARIS is part of the Global march for Cannabis liberation by

gathering all  french cannabis legalizers in Bastille place, May 1st at 2:00 PM. Everyone and

every groups are welcome to organize their local events in order to increase the

pressure for cannabis liberation around the world.

Parkersburg: "Cindy Wimer" <indianbud@...> "Mountaineers for Medical Marijuana" 304-428-1726

Philadelphia:  "chuck palmer" <chuckp@...> 610-279-6358  100 participants, no arrests in '02.

Phoenix: 602-200-9461 Conscience Credence Cannabis Committee POB 86112, Phoenix, AZ 85080-6112 donovan criss  doncriss@... 602-486-6145 1635 w. grovers av. phoenix,az 85023 or rex 602-618-4521 2222 w beardsly rd #1119 phoenix,az 85027  Rally @ Encanto park

 

Prague: Michael "xChaos" Polak <mmmteam@...> Tel: +420 603 872631 / +420 2 33358050  http://www.legalizace.cz MMM 2003 was the smoothest,most "mainstream" legalization event.... 2000 people, almost zero interest from police... MMM looks more and more like regular festival, rather than political rally. However media coverage was good/neutral, and as usual, it seems politicians are more likely to talk about legalization after MMM attracts media. We publicly announced the list of 8 people imprisoned for cannabis only out of 10 million. But Vaclav Havel is no longer president; Havel used right to give amnesty to prisoners to virtually veto some laws, including cannabis possession.

Portland: 2004 MMM Organizing Committee, c/o Oregon NORML, PO Box 16057, Portland, Or 97292    503.239.6110

Madeline Martinez: yerbanena@...  Steven M. Cooper: OrNorml.Secretary@...

Raleigh-Durham: Bryan T. Moore <btm42@...> 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803  phone (919) 247-2644 or Chris Harris (919)368-5913 or "Jeff Badalucco"

<nc_ca@...> 919-247-2644 238 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803

Raleigh NC MMM will be held at the Capitol Building from 4-9pm on Saturday May 3rd.

Rapid City: Bob Newland <newland@...> 605-255-4032 website: http://www.sodaknorml.org/  300 marchers in '02.

Richmond: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer@...> (804)355-7612 <http://us.f148.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=onelovedesignz@...m>or S.L. Barker (RCHO) onelovedesignz@...  Monroe Park

Roanoke:  "Marty" <no1zever@...> 540-776-4201 

Rosario: +54 - 341-4201291 or +54 - 341- 4642699 E-mail: raddud@... Corrientes 1307, 2000 - Rosario- ARGENTINA Nearly 400 participants in '02.

 

Salt Lake City: Dr. Ken Larsen (801) 533-8658 < kencan@... > 856 E. 100 South (#2), Salt Lake City, UT 84102 or Ben Valdez 801-304-0303 hempower@...  http:/ www.utahmmj.org 300 noisy marchers, no arrests.

San Diego: Donna Lee (619) 223-1050 cannabiswoman2002@... http://www.cannabisfreedom.org Approximately 50-75 attendees.

NO POLICE! NO PROBLEMS!

San Francisco: Hemp Evolution/Clark Sullivan http://hempevolution.org (415) 724-5081 "freeman sullivan" webmaster@... 4,000 participants in '02, no arrests.

San Juan: Alejandro "Zen" Otero hempwierdzenie@... postal: 425 carr. 693 PMB 130 Dorado PR 00646-4802 Tel# 787-345-9036  Also: www.Earthdance.org   earthdancepuertorico@...

 

San Marcos: Joe Ptak: 512.754.0264 Email:

kindradio@... Postal: 505 Patricia, San

Marcos, TX; 78666

Springfield:  Joe Setzer (417) 877-6832 <theosopher420@...>137 Hackberry Lane,  Seymour, MO 65746 The march will begin on the Springfield Square at 4:20 sharp, and will take approximately 1 hour (allowing time for dawdling).

Spokane: Darren McCrea 509-998-3405  rcannabisclub.org 4807 N. Adams, Spokane, WA 99205

St. Louis: 314-567-8522 gstlnorml@... or St. Louis Area NORML , PO Box 220243,

St. Louis, MO 63122.   http://www.gstlnorml.org 600 marched to the Arch for cannabis reform.

Sturgeon Falls: Bro Michael Ethier 705 753-4756 maryhuanamike@... ..c/o Tarzan's Mission of the Sacred Herb,171 Queen Street, Sturgeon Falls, Ontario, Canada P2B 2G2

Tampa: revolutionary_stoner@... or Kelly 813-389-8941 Over 100 participants in '02.

Tel Aviv: Boaz Wachtel -- wachtel@... Tel:972-54-573679

http://www.ale-yarok.org.il PO Box 2983, Even Yehuda, 40500

Israel  -- 4,000 participants in '02.

Tokyo: Takao Bakuya (Cannabist) info@... +81-3-3706-6885 http://www.cannabist.org 1,200 participants in '03.

Toronto: Larry Duprey (416)540-7829 fax(416)242-2635 or Toronto Area Association / Marijuana Party of Canada, 132 Dundas St. East, Toronto, On M5B 1E2 (416)367-3459 3-6,000 participants in '02. http://www.canadiancannabisawards.ca http://www.cannabisclub.ca

Traverse City: Melody Karr <fiddlefoot420@...>

(231)885-2993 PO Box 524 Mesick, MI 49668. or 10954 Birch Road

Mesick MI 49668. 70 marchers, hundreds of spectators in '02.

http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/traversecity.htm

Tucson: mary mackenzie <mmackenzie2@...> (520)323-2947  or 3400 east speedway, #118, tucson, arizona 85716 Over 200 participants in '02.

Tupelo: Contact: Anita T. Mayfield Phone # 662-963-0775, E-mail:  <mailto:nita@...>nita@...

Upper Lake, Ca.: Linda & Eddy Lepp"linda senti"

<lisenti@...> 707-275-8879 Several hundred showed up, 140 new patients signed up. in "03.

Vancouver: David Malmo-Levine, <dagreenmachine@...> BC

Marijuana Party Bookstore and Internet Broadcasting Center, 307

West Hastings Tel. 604 682-1172 http://www.cannabisculture.com 2,000 marchers in '02.

Washington, D.C.: Toni Keane <MMM_DCA@...>

http://violate_wave.tripod.com/MMM.html

Wellington: Frank Kitts Park. wellington@...

Wichita: Debby Moore, CEOHemp Industries of Kansas 2742 E. 2nd Wichita, Kansas, 67214  (316) 681 1743 debby@...; or c.a. riley, Kansas NORML  316.685.7869  ksnorml@... http://www.ksnorml.org Last year about thrity people met and marched through downtown Wichita. I will plan a cookout with speakers, but will certainly discourage any smoking of the herb cannabis.

Wilmington: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.

Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716

The following 2003 List consists of 231 cities [If you want to upload ANY  of the following to the web, remember that [bracketed material] is private, and intended for internal information of this network only--so that Dana Larsen can send you a check and a box of CANNABIS CULTURE magazines, in other words. DON'T--DO NOT--PUT IT ON A WEBSITE] or may be accessed at  http://www.cures-not-wars.org/cities.htm   Another, no-longer active list follows the 2003 list below for regional organizers who want to follow-up and reactivate those cities for next year. An alternative, MMM Million Marijuana March, 236+ cities globally can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction

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