Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:14:27 -0400
To: greenpartydrugsgroup@...
From: Dana Beal
Subject: GMfCL 2003 #45: Fairbanks, Leon, Omaha Make 78 Cities on the MMM
Poster for 2004!
CC: "eco man" , yerbanena@..., risto.mikkonen@..., "Ken Gorman" , indianbud@..., initiativ@..., "Mojca Straus" , ezpz@..., newagecitizen@..., hromi@..., "Terry Mitchell" , pariah_mob@..., jc0_66@..., "Irena" , legalizemichigan@..., "Matthew Jorn" , Newagecitizen@..., "Xpu100" , mjmarch@..., info@..., marijuanamarch@..., hempSA@..., has.cornelissen@..., farid@..., inorml@..., mohemp@..., Boris.it@..., "Chris Conrad" , iowanorml@..., duncaneddy@..., nfn@..., RoadsEnd@..., "Chris Wright" , rastapeace@..., pdxnorml@..., hempSA@..., smuuthc11@..., acididea@..., anna_ganja@..., andyganja2001@..., "Melody Karr" , "Howie Hempalot" , fearless_420@..., mmm@..., melacs42x60@..., rebelart@..., pcornwell@..., martin@..., CAMPNC@..., Blocpot@..., DennyLane@..., rappa@..., "Hanfparaden Center Berlin" , amec@..., mayday@yahoogroups.com, "kathy kennedy" , freddiefreak@..., sokrates@..., restore@..., rastapeace@..., "justin ballot" , Hempsters@..., texasm5@..., "Roy B. Scherer" , "helmut holtzheimer" , phillty2@..., steph@..., "Bill Downing" , "Dave Toaff" , mmm@..., "Angela Goodhope" , Usersvoice.jmt@..., "Michael Palmieri" , PROBER13@..., StewMO1941@..., rmelamed@..., chris@..., pakaloha@..., "M. Werkhausen" , chairman@..., bloom@..., "pdr" , aksh1@..., fdb@..., stinkygreens@..., Hanf-tv@..., blair@..., "Jay Statzer" , encimer@..., Skywolf@..., CFFHS@..., cannabisal@..., globalpeas@..., emanuel@..., dangssdp@..., fine_time909@..., Boris@..., miriamwhite420@..., bud_jamesbud@..., mappnow@..., xchaos@..., btm42@..., wachtel@..., forml420@..., "Michela Gesualdo" , terryparkerjr@..., fjhc@hotmail, "Razor" , legalise@..., "Nelg Nella" , artworks@..., phillyweed420@..., info@..., doncriss@..., "Joe Wein" , "Bud Spliff" , info@..., OCannabisSociety@..., "Catherine Jones" , writch@..., cannabisaction@yahoogroups.com, "mary mackenzie" , hilary@..., escandonavia@..., jipiando@..., leoparda_azul@..., faenadub@..., don@..., ultra_plus_estrella@..., helmcke@..., m_bandida@..., malcomska@..., foroalici@..., earthfirstswt@..., dmcvay@..., taudarknes@..., "The Happy Hemptress" , "New Paltz Norml" , hamppu.kaupunki@..., bitchcrafts420@..., kendermag@..., "melissa ann"

 HELP RAISE MONEY FOR THE MILLION MARIJUANA MARCH--BOOK A YIPPIE SPEAKER!

Recently we wrote you that we need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster--and that if you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

You can help. Go to http://www.yippiespeakers.com  Here's the good news: 20% of all speaker fees go to printing and operating expenses for the MMM 2004. (If you can get me booked personally it's 100%.)

Some of these speakers like Grace Slick and Hunter Thompson get $25,000 just for appearing at yr local university! (Some like Dennis Peron are available for a few thousand) Your local group gets 4% finders' fee.

What we need you to do is contact yr local on-campus activists and have them agitate their student affairs folks in charge of outside speakers  (or equivalent) to book some of our speakers. It's important to clarify that we are NOT  asking them to get this from the budget of their NORML or SSDP chapter, but from the campus office that books outside speakers. (At Kent State they call it the Office of Student Life, and they paid me $4,000 for a three hour appearance, which went straight to the printer.)

It's a good year for it. Things have come full-circle for Yippie! We have all the elements--an illegitimate  Republican President everyone hates at home, a quagmire war abroad--for the first time  since the '70's. And best of all, even though all our speakers support cannabis and oppose the drug war, they are Yippie, not legalization speakers, so you won't have to deal with demands from the university administration that you find some anti-drug speaker for "Balance" or you don't get the booking. (Since we are moving toward protests against the Republican Convention in NYC next August, to be fair they'd have to demand an opponent of protests, period, which is absurd.)

If you have a hot prospect,  email me right back; but since  about half of everything sent to this address "bounces", be sure to also put in a call to the speakers bureau at 212-529-3026, and leave a message if no one picks up. Or call me at 212-677-7180.

Dana/cnw

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So far, 78  Cities are Signed up for 2004 .

MAYDAY IS JAY-DAY!

(Next year, the first Saturday of May falls on May 1. We are recommending Sunday, May 2 or Monday May 3 in cities where there is significant conflict with other local events--or as a rain date. Of course, we understand that some schools have to do it on 4/20 because their school year is over by May, and that some northern cities have to do it a little later in May...)



albany
albuquerque
ashland
asheville
auckland
boone
bratislava
buenos aires
capetown
christchurch
cincinnati
cleveland

columbia
dallas
darwin
dayton
des moines
detroit
dover

dublin
dunedin
eugene
fayetteville
flint
frankfurt
ft. lauderdale
halifax
helsinki

hilo
houston
kansas city
las vegas
lansing
levin
mexico city
minneapolis

missoula
montpelier
napier

nashville

newark

new orleans
new york
nimbin

ogden

omaha

orlando
paducah
paris
parkersburg
philadelphia

phoenix
portland
prague
raleigh-durham
rapid city
richmond
rosario
salt lake city
san francisco

san juan
san marcos
st. louis
sturgeon falls
tampa
toronto
tokyo
traverse city
tucson
tupelo
upper lake
vancouver
wellington
wichita
wilmington




Help us reach our goal of 300 cities worldwide!

To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact info and email me back telling me to add yr city to the List at the top of this email. Right now the last listing we have for you is as follows:

Eaton: Andy Fudge fudgeie@... 210 eaton lewisburg rd apt#61 Rally 12 noon -- lots of kick ass specialties

By the way, I lost about three weeks email not long after this year's event. Did anything happen on the first Saturday of May in yrour area? Numbers? Arrests? Media? Anything of interest happen, etc?

You can also call me at 212-677-4899.

Dana/cnw

P.S.: We are also interested in adding to our list of prestigious endorsers, which consists of pot activists well-known in their city or country. We need a name and phone number for each. Any suggestions?

P.P.S: We need on average $100 for each affiliate to print  and ship this year's poster.  If you can't send it, we have to raise it somewhere else.

*****!!! May 3, 2002/Mayday 2004 Cannabis Liberation Day: Updates,  Reports!!!*****

Omaha: Paul Tripp, omahanorml.com,  paultrip@... (402)598-6180 12216 Poppleton Plz. #238, Omaha, NE, 68144   Over 30 participants in '02.
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From: 

"alejandro garcia" <growleon@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/15 Mon PM 07:23:03 CDT

To: 
dana@...

Subject: 

Leon City

e-mail confirmation:
wrong: growleon@...

actual: growleon@...

From: 

"alejandro garcia" <growleon@...>   
Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue PM 07:28:52 CDT

To: 
dana@...

Subject: 

Re: Is this a new city, or what?

I have signed up for our city on the website twice but it hasn't appeared
yet

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From: 

"Melissa M. Hart" <melissahartless@...>   

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu AM 03:30:07 CDT

To: 
dana@...

Subject: 

address change

Hi Dana
I've moved a few times since signing up for your list.
Old: 512 Hood Hall, Plattsburgh, NY 12901

New: 775 Gradelle St, Apt. E, Fairbanks, AK 99709

as you may be aware, alaska is in midst of a few big
issues right now regarding pot legality, as far as
possession, fed. vs. state law, etc. Currently, it is
legal for a person to possess up to four ounces in
their home for their own use, but still  illegal to
sell.
also, a statewide voter initiative to reverse the 1993
ban on pot was thrown out this year due to a signature
problem, but may have to be reconsidered, on a judge's
order. if so, i believe it will be on next year's
ballot.
hot stuff and an exciting time to live in alaska!

anyway, i'd like to be the contact person for a
Fairbanks rally, and if someone else has gotten in
touch with you, could you let me know?

thanks and look forward to shaking things up.
Melissa Hart

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>From: MMM@...
>To: webmaster@...
>Subject: Website entry from MMM - Add City
>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:22:51 -0400
>
>Contact 1 Name : Brian
>  Contact 2 Name : Scott
>  Contact 1 Email : MyMeds215@...
>  Contact 2 Email : CannabisCommunityCenter@...
>  Contact 1 Telephone : 4198447050 Fax
>  Contact 2 Telephone :
>  Contact 1 Address : P.O. Box 2442 , Rocklin,  Ca 95677  THE NUMBER IS A
>FAX FOR AUTHORIZATION FORMS!
>  Contact 2 Address :
>  City : Rocklin, Ca
>  Country : USA
>  Website 1 : http://www.419hosting.com/CCC/
>  Website 2 :
>  Events :
>  Event Location : 916
>  Event Location 2 : 209
>  Start Time : 4:19 AM
>  Start Time 2 : 4:19
>  Organization : Primary Caregivers & Consultants!
>  Organization Email : CAprop215@...
>  Organization Telephone: NA

>  Organization Address: Las Vegas
>  Organization Website: NA
>  Description of Events : We are working to get local patients, activist,
>caregivers, and fellow friends together for a new event in the 916 and 209
>Area codes!  Any idea's email me Mymeds215@...
>

********************

*****BUSHWHACKED!!*****

************************

From: 

Mike Cane <mikecane01@...>   

Date: 
2003/10/04 Sat AM 11:42:39 CDT

To: 
MikeCane aa <mikecane@...>

Subject: 
Rush's "def" drugs

  

QUOTING:

Painkillers destroy hearing - Looks like America's
fascination with Vicodin, Oxycotin, and other hardcore
painkillers has a lasting effect other than addiction.
Studies are showing that "rapid hearing loss, even
deafness, in some patients who are misusing the
drugs". This is serious enough for Vicodin's
manufacturer to add a "warning about the potential for
hearing loss to the drug's label."

Is Rush Limbaugh's sudden deafness and recent
involvement in a painkiller drug investigation simply
a coincidence?

See:

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-000073024sep10.story?coll=la-headlines-health

=====
Mike Cane
mikecane01@...
(please note the zero-one after my name @ yahoo!)

From: 

"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>  

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu AM 08:49:17 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>,  <drugwar@...>

Subject: 

[ibogaine] Limbaugh the moral motormouth a pillhead

Hey all,
Thanks to Jules Siegel for bringing this to my and hence your attention.
And as I wrote him about the housekeeper-

"Jesus, what a bitch.
Much as I can't stand the guy, and kinda feel I should enjoy this
downfall, (as petty as that may be) this little bit here kinda irks me- she
wasn't even doing it to protect herself if the above is correct, she was
doing it because of some other reason.
Maybe she too got tired of his bullshit and figured she'd get what she

could outta him then ream him, as she's doing now.
I guess nasty people attract nasty people to be around them."
Peace,
Preston

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/993573/posts
snip-
The account Cline gave the Enquirer is that she became Limbaugh's drug
connection in 1998, nine months after taking a housekeeping job at his Palm
Beach mansion.
It started after her husband, David, hurt himself in a fall, and Limbaugh
asked how he was.
"He asked me casually, 'Is he getting any pain medication?' I said, 'Yes -
he's had surgery, and the doctor gave him hydro-codone 750,'" Cline said.
"To my astonishment, he said, 'Can you spare a couple of them?'"
Husband's pills
Cline said she gave Limbaugh 10 pills the next day and agreed to give him 30
of her husband's pills each month. When the doctor stopped renewing the
prescription in early 1999, Limbaugh allegedly went ballistic.
"His tone was nasty and bullying. He said, 'I don't care how or what you do,
but you'd better - better! - get me some more,'" Cline said.
The housekeeper said she found a new supplier and arranged to hide
Limbaugh's stashes under his mattress so his wife, Marta, wouldn't find
them.
After several months, Limbaugh told her he was going to New York for detox
and didn't need any more pills, Cline said.
But a month later, he said his left ear was hurting and asked her for
hydrocodone, followed by an order for OxyContin.
Limbaugh, 52, suffered from autoimmune ear disease, a condition that left
him deaf and had to be corrected with cochlear implant surgery two years

ago.
Cline said she continued to make deliveries to Limbaugh even after she quit
as his housekeeper in July 2001 - but he became increasingly paranoid, even
patting her down for recording devices, she said.
In June 2002, Limbaugh told her he was going to New York for detox a second
time.
After he returned, "I went to talk to him, and he cried a little bit," she
said. "He told me that if it ever got out, he would be ruined."

She claimed that a lawyer for Limbaugh gave her a payoff - $80,000 he owed
her, plus another $120,000 - and asked her to destroy the computer that
contained the E-mail records.
Soon after, Cline and her husband retained Shohat and contacted prosecutors.
Feeling no pain
The drugs Rush Limbaugh is accused of abusing are legal only with a doctor's

prescription. All are habit-forming.

snip-

From: 

"Rick Venglarcik" <RickV@...>  

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu PM 03:48:37 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] limbaugh and drugs

Once a person who is a left-wing, moderate, or conservative individual begins
listening to Limbaugh, though they may disagree with him, they find that he is
very funny and entertaining.  Over a period of time, one finds that he is
sometimes right on some issues. Over a longer period of time (read
INDOCTRINATION), one begins to find that he is right MOST of the time.  Then,
after your brain has been sufficiently programmed, you find that you most often
agree with him.

Then he discusses an issue that really hits your hot button, and you decide to
call in and throw in your two cents.  So, as a long-time...or newly converted
short-timer, you naturally start off with praise and adoration directed toward
the minister of propaganda.  This would normally be conveyed with statements
such as, "I'm a ...time listener, I love your show...I just wanted to start out
by saying 'you're so right on this issue'....blah, blah, blah.  For the
admirers this was the standard "gush," until one occasion when a person called
and provided such "gush" about how great he was, and the next caller simply

said "Ditto's" to what the last guy said about the show.  Thereupon, the most
typical "gush" is merely the statement, "Ditto's Rush, from..."  Thus was born
the concept of "Ditto-heads," that Rush and his listeners proudly reference.  A
Ditto-Head is one who listens to Rush regularly, agrees with just about
everything he says, and has either called in to the show, or one who would like
to call in to lay on positive strokes and to drop their two cents into the
bucket.

I rarely listen to him anymore, but every once in a while I'll put him on for a
while because his show is often very funny and entertaining.  He does some very
good bits that are extremely funny, unless one is overly offended or takes the
things he pokes fun at too seriously...spotted owls...environmentalism...
Yugo's...condoms/birth control/abortion...animal rights, etc.  By-and-large, he
is merely a minister of propaganda whose listeners fail to realize that they
are reading and thinking less and less on their own....or merely dining on CNN
and a newspaper or two.  End-result: ignorant, ill-informed, right-wing
conservative convert who has a knee-jerk reaction and "knows" how it "really"
is about almost everything.

My deliverance and salvation came by the hands of all the drug-users I work and
interact with, as I finally realized that all which glitters isn't gold, and
that most often, the one who sparkles least, actually shines the most when they
are buffed and polished.  There truly is "a system," and its desire is to mash
out a conformist, non-thinking, dumbed-down populace which they profit from and
exert a ridiculous amount of control over....bricks in the wall.  Folks that
think for themselves, challenge authority, and question the status quo are

considered to be little more than purveyors of "Thought-Crime."

But I'd best not get started...that hole runs deeper than you can imagine.

From: 

"leesmithjr" <leesmithjr@...> 

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu PM 06:34:50 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] limbaugh and drugs

 

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Rush_Limbaugh_Drugs.htm
 

From: 

"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>   

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu PM 08:41:16 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 
Re: [ibogaine] limbaugh and drugs

  

Thanks Lee,
But there's also this, that as I noted elsewhere, someone should alert
Issues2000 about-

http://www.ndsn.org/marapr98/legal1.html


Rush Limbaugh Ponders Legal Drug Market (March 1998)

And, from the same Issues2000 website, there's this view of pot from Patrick
Buchanan that someone forwarded to the DrugWar list-

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Pat_Buchanan_Drugs.htm

I'm against the legalization of marijuana. People say it's a victimless
crime. [But the manager of a rehabilitation center] said that 10% of
the children in Iowa are born with some kind of drug affliction, and 5%
of them suffer permanent damage. As soon as I heard that, these little
children are going to suffer their whole lives because of drugs their
parents took, I think we can't quit the war on drugs and we can't
legalize marijuana.
Source: Interview on "CNN Talkback Live" Jan 24, 2000

Yikes.
Peace,
Preston

****!!!IBOGAINE TREATMENT NOW $1500 IN HOLLAND--CALL SARA, 0113134-624-1770 !!!****

From: 

marc420emery@...   

Date: 
2003/09/26 Fri PM 04:50:17 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

[ibogaine] CBS TV NEWS doing item on Iboga Treatment

CBS Television in Los Angeles is working on an ibogaine treatment news item
using Randy Hencken's Rosarito Clinic and our Iboga House to profile the use of
iboga in treating drug addiction.

Marc Emery
Iboga House,
Vancouver

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From: 

Jennifer <scrakalak@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/28 Sun AM 07:04:58 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] CBS TV NEWS doing item on Iboga Treatment

I wish I could watch it. Any way to get a tape or transcript once it airs?
 

Oh and Marc did you ever get my last email?  I had sent a long response when we were discussing childhood hurts a couple weeks ago and I never heard anything from you??  Just wondering what you thought.  Also, I'd really like to discuss coming to your treatment center after the 1st of the year.  Thanks, 

 
Jennifer

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From: 

"sara" <sara119@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/28 Sun AM 04:03:50 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

[ibogaine] positive outlook

"What ever happened to decent human nature and positive outlooks.   Suppose that sounds a be naive but it all gets a bit frustrating.   Allison"

 

 

Human nature is to be corrupted, even animals are doing better, at least they don't put each other in prisons and have slavery, and all the rest of miseries and agonies

Human create for each other, CIA FBI, planting drugs in poor black communities.

Strange is that dogs in Holland are doing better then some human in many parts of the world. I will give you a tour so you can see for yourself.

 

Loving kindness is the basics for spiritual growth, and that what keeps humanity alive. It is the realization of "one world one people".

It will not come by itself unless a person is seeking spiritual growth, truth and no nightmares.

Also fear can be used for spiritual growth and positive thinking, fear of God. of loosing balance and insight,  of not achieving enlightenment.

 of your next reincarnation, of loosing dignity and pride.  of going to "hell" of dissolving into nothingness, of not finding happiness.

 

That  ''If" fear is used against us by governments, the pope and other "spiritual leader" they would like to have us as slaves and corrupted so that more tax money for prisons, police , places for cheap labour , war on everyone who is on the other side ,and all kind of churches.

 

It is all speculation. All you can do is ,act now and you will see later.  Just know that activism changed a lot in the history of humanity and loving kindness made it possible.

From: 

"GanjaCat" <ganjacat@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/28 Sun AM 11:22:32 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

[ibogaine] A newbies first posting

Hello everyone!

 

I've only been 'lurking' for a short while, so I can't claim to be truly 'up to speed' with the mores & customs of this list, however I felt it was not wrong to introduce myself at this early stage.

 

Although I have achieved a certain notoriety in my own particular niche over the past ten years or so, I don't expect anyone here to recognise my name, with the possible exception of Mr Emery through his connections in the 'cannabis world'.

 

A month or so ago I had never even heard of Iboga.

 

Now I find myself in a position where my own future is very much entwined with one person's attempts to open the eyes of the world to the many potential benefits of this amazing plant.

 

More of that later, next a little about who I am & where I'm coming from......

 

I'm a 43 year old Englishman who is now either a political exile or a criminal on the run, depending on your point of view. I came to Holland nearly 2 years ago following a long & painful fight with the UK Government over my right to grow & use cannabis. If I return I face a theoretical 21 years in prison even though not one human soul has ever come before the courts and said that I have harmed them in any way. They even changed the law to prevent me from running a 'human rights' defence that could have been a major step towards forcing the collapse of prohibition.

 

Until a short time ago, I was concentrating on 'building a new life' here. I was working a crappy & unrewarding job and generally doing things 'by the book' in order to survive, although I continued to try to "do my bit for the cause" online including being the co-ordinator of the worlds' first ever 'coffeeshop management' course, setting up the 'International Canna-Lympic Movement' & becoming an ordained Reverend of the ULC, 'attached' to the THC-Ministry in Amsterdam. (Links at bottom.)

 

A combination of factors including the general economic slow-down & betrayal by my partner of 6 years effectively ended that and despite my best efforts I was faced with limited & depressing options.

 

Almost at the last moment I came into contact with Sara Glatt, who offered me both a roof over my head and a 'psycho-therapeutic' Iboga trip in exchange for building & promoting a website for her.

 

The 'trip', which happened 3 weeks ago, not only cleared a lot of 'emotional debris' from my own mind, but also convinced me that this remarkable plant could be a very valuable tool for the excision of many 'therapy-proof' engrams. (A few years ago I qualified as a Humanistic Counsellor.) I have developed an enormous amount of respect for the work being done by people such as Sara , and have decided to train under her in the spiritual/therapeutic use of several psycho-botanicals in addition to web mastering & admin duties here.

 

Whilst I must freely concede that one person's story rarely represents the absolute truth of a situation, what I have learned of the Iboga story 'from the inside' as it were makes me feel that there are quite a few people, some even perhaps subscribers to this list, who have been less than perfect, from a 'humanist' point-of-view, in their efforts to promote Iboga. IMHO the means DO NOT justify the ends. But no names & no second-hand grudges from me, everyone deserves the chance for redemption & forgiveness. (Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.)

 

I believe that the acceptance of diversity, within humanity in general and the 'Iboga field' in particular, is the best way to discover & promote 'better thinking'. Personally I am interested in discovering whether Iboga could be of help in other psyche-related 'disorders' such as tendency to self-harm, propensity to violence (including rape & paedophilia) & even over- or under- eating. I hope one day to have the resources to investigate this properly, but I don't want to expend my energy 'fighting' those who have a vested interest in promoting their own particular slant. There is room for all of us, the clinical & the pastoral, the scientific & the shamanistic, the casual & the dedicated, in this world.

 

OK, traditionally newcomers are supposed to 'know their place' and never 'cause a fuss' until they have been taught how to behave, but sorry, that's not the way, has NEVER been the way that this fur-shredder operates....

 

I have to comment that I'm disgusted at the number of people who've quit this list in the past week or so over seemingly-trivial matters. You lot are worse than the UKCIA subscribers at times, and that's saying something!

 

I would like to be so bold as to suggest that the reason why there has been so much infighting, corruption, bitching & under-handedness in the 'Iboga story' is that message of the spirit of the Iboga itself

 

-that the western world has generally lost something essential in its nature which the Iboga can (at least partially) re-balance -

 

has been lost because so many people have tried to use 'western attitudes' ("We must purify this, patent it, prescribe this, do what 'the they' want to prove it as an 'acceptable' western medicine, become the 'world authority' on this [and it doesn't matter who gets trodden on or ripped off in the process] etc. etc.) to force acceptance of their position.

 

To nutshell it, stop thinking like white doctors and start thinking like human beings again!

 

We need to change attitudes, not work to become acceptable (as in someone ultimately gets to make big bucks from it) sub-systems of the EVIL system that pervades the western world right now.

 

Yes, I'm talking about the US Federal Govt & the ' Bilderburgs ' that pull its' strings.

 

IHMO the introduction of an 'adulthood ritual' using Iboga (+/or other psycho-botanicals) to the so-called 'first world', giving people the chance to 'do a soft reset' of their psyche from the trauma, pain & humiliation of childhood would be a very good thing. Sod the fact that for the drug corporations & 'mental health professionals' it would be a bad thing. F*ck the fact that 'we're too civilised to do tribal stuff like that anymore'....

 

It would do the individual good, and it would do humanity good. Isn't that enough?

 

Wishing you all

Peace, Respect & Love

 

Rev. Alan B Mason (aka "The GanjaCat")

Kockengen ,Netherlands .

 

Sara's Addiction Therapy Pages

Sara's Spiritual / Recreational Pages

History of the GanjaCat

World Championships of Cannabis Use

The Gentleman's Refuge

Amsterdam THC Ministry

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From: 

"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/29 Mon AM 09:45:37 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

[ibogaine] Re: Jay Statzer [ibogaine] Fw: an endnote

Jay Statzer wrote >Only Preston would try to
> obscure the division by claiming he's "a user of
> both pot and opiates" when any addict I talk to
> tells me pot counteracts heroin and is intolerable
> when in withdrawal. From his description of his pot

> use he doesn't use it much lately, maybe it's just a
> matter of personal preference that has him going to
> the needle instead each day?<

Ahhh, good morning all.
I don't think I ever wrote anything at all about how "pot counteracts heroin
and is intolerable when in withdrawal" actually.
But with this in mind, I do remember kicking in London and having people
tell me they'd "never smoke hash/pot" while in withdrawal as the smoking
made them more aware of the kicking sensations.
I agree sometimes. But not always. And for ME (as I can only speak for
myself and my own experience here) I find that smoking or eating pot/hash
usually helps(ed), but not always, when kicking. And it most certainly does
NOT counteract my opiates (NOT heroin either btw) in any way, shape or form-
if anything it most certainly does help with the pain even more than were I
using just pot or just opiates. I don't know what addicts you've been
talking to, but you've not spoken to enough of them.
So, perhaps I'm a weirdo opiate using pot head, but you've really put
your foot in your mouth with the "he doesn't use it much lately" comment, as
it is so far from my reality tunnel that all I can do is laugh very loudly
(and risk waking my beautiful gal) and shake my head in wonder at the
amazingly cocky silliness of this part of your note.

>From his description of his pot
> use he doesn't use it much lately, maybe it's just a
> matter of personal preference that has him going to
> the needle instead each day? <

LOL, welllll, I think you've misread me.
I'm a seriouly devoted pothead.
Serious, never ending pain has me using opiates on a daily basis, gladly and
willingly.
My enjoyment of pot has me smoking most every day too.
I like 'em both a lot. And they both help me cope with my life.
Imagine that- I don't fit into YOUR reality tunnel I guess.

>The convenience of
> getting a legal high has demonstrated in him the
> reason why methadone won't solve the demand
> reduction formula.<

I'm not sure I understand this here, the "demonstrated in him the reason why
methadone won't solve the demand reduction formula" bit. Please clarify, as

I really don't understand what you mean.

>I wonder if Preston really thinks
> he can never stop shooting up? How can he? No need
> to now! He can go on for a lifetime using up clinic
> space, taking a place away from a junkie who can't
> get into treatment and out of the street market.<

What? Taking up clinic space? Who's taking up clinic space? Not me, that's
for sure. Now I'm really confused, both at the substance of this bit, and
the haughty, angry tone. Why are you so upset sounding? You're really
sounding silly to me here, at least in the bits I can understand.

>The
> self indulgence of it is so disgusting. Only these
> complacent methadone addicts are so self-indulgent
> and yet so jealous and negative toward the
> reformers.<

What are you talking about? Who is sounding jealous and negative here? And I
most certainly am NOT ever negative towards most reformers, (unless I think
of them as assholes) as I consider myself a reformer, as do most of the
people who know me. I'm not on methadone either.

>No pot activist wants to
> admit to being in the same camp as the gangstas but
> the strong ones understand and address the big
> picture in their thinking. <

Well, maybe I'm not in the same camp as any gangstas (sic) but I do admit to
being a legalizer, all the way across the board, for adults anyway.

>There is no need to legalize
> addictive drugs and there is a great need to
> legalize cannabis for all it's uses. <

Beg to differ. The prohibition of any addictive drugs (and non-addictive
too) only makes things worse, all across the board. So in my own humble
opinion, I don't agree. There is a need to legalize all drugs currently
illegal, with some regulatory apparatus in place as we have with alcohol and
tobacco. Hell, legalize even the addictive drugs, we remove much of the
profit margin and control issues of those who like the way the war empowers
them, shreds out Constitution and human rights and lines their pockets with

drugwar funding.
Anyway, this was a long, angry sounding note from Jay, and I am at a
loss as to why I was singled out- sounds like some kind of jealousy, but not
mine.
And I completely agree with Carla about the "patronizing attitude and
total ignorance" on the part of many pot reformers. Why oh why must there be
such intolerance and hatered spewed about other people, by these angry ones
seem to insist on believing opiate users are not as good or sane as those
who don't use opiates?
Blah, blah, blahbidy blah.
Peace to you all, and have a great day.
(btw, there's an interesting thing on C-Span 2 right now, 10:40AM Monday,
about international drug trafficking and organized crime.)
Preston



----- Original Message -----
From: "Carla Barnes" < carlambarnes@... >
To: < ibogaine@... >
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fw: an endnote


> I am really not into arguing. I don't like to argue at
> all and I don't do it on this list very often. I think
> I've been guilty of getting into a flame war only once
> which was about the black women being paid to have
> abortions debate a long time ago.
>
> I replied to what Marc Emery wrote before and very
> much appreciated Sandra's reply to me. I then skipped
> over Dana Beal's messages but all of this keeps on
> coming.
>
> My question is I think for Patrick. Why are you of all
> people acting like the cannabis apologist? You wrote a
> funny message which I liked reading, it's classic you
> ;-) But you didn't seriously answer anything at all.
> Aren't you offended by the patronizing obnoxious
> attitude of all this? Why are you of all people
> rewriting offensive statements made by the cannabis
> movement to make "hard drug users" accept it? That one
> letter in the libertarian blog keeps coming to my
> mind. Why are you doing this? I don't understand.
>
> I understand that the medical marijuana movement is
> doing things to help ibogaine and I keep on keeping
> that in mind but every single time I read another one
> of these messages my honest and emotional response is
> wanting to kick that person in the balls for their

> patronizing attitude and total ignorance!
>
> Every message keeps stressing how little any of them
> understand about hard drugs or drug addiction! Jay
> Stetzer is very obviously a smart person who knows
> nothing, let me repeat that ###nothing### about what
> it's like to be a junkie. But all of you keep saying
> and writing all this. Who are you talking to each
> other or the poor lost sick junkies? If you're talking
> to each other arent you already convinced? If you're
> talking to the sicker then everyone else is junkies,
> all youre doing is making people mad. I'm offended and
> I'm avery tolerant person! I think! :-)
>
> Sorry I had to say this, these letters keep coming to
> this list and every time I think I'll swallow it and
> move on, another one of them comes.
>
> Carla B
>
> --- Jay Statzer < jstatzer@... > wrote:
> > Please write an endnote
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Statzer < jstatzer@... >
> > To: Dana Beal < dana@... >
> > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:43 PM
> > Subject: an endnote
> >
> >
> > Dana,
> >   The thread of discussion you have sent me is
> > puzzling. I'm not sure where to begin in commenting
> > on it. The concept of pot users being in the same
> > condition as junk poisoned people, just acting
> > holier than thou? That junkies aren't sick because
> > AmeriKKKan society is suffering from decades of
> > militaristic and materialistic mentality disorders?

> > It's not what is in the thoughts of addicts that the
> > drug warriors are policing, it's what people are
> > putting into their bodies. Addicts are putting
> > artificial body chemistry imposters into their
> > bodies and the opiate users must do so every day.
> > Pot people have no such need. Those with full blown
> > endorphin related addictions need to ingest their
> > artificial endorphin imposters in order to feel
> > pleasure at all. Pot people have no such need.
> > Addicts are often people who want to numb an

> > emotional pain. Some pot people have similar life
> > experiences and they may seek out and discover that
> > same numbness. When they go on an become addicts,
> > they wish they had stayed with pot. Some use pot to
> > overcome an early-onset addiction, this is not drug
> > replacement but the gradual corrective effect of
> > pot's triggering of elevated Melotonin combined with
> > a new lifestyle regime that excludes association
> > with addicts. There are obvious lines separating pot
> > from addictive drugs. If someone is into shooting up
> > but doesn't have withdrawal or cravings yet, God
> > bless 'em but they aren't in deep enough to speak
> > about addictive drugs yet. Only Preston would try to
> > obscure the division by claiming he's "a user of
> > both pot and opiates" when any addict I talk to
> > tells me pot counteracts heroin and is intolerable
> > when in withdrawal. From his description of his pot
> > use he doesn't use it much lately, maybe it's just a
> > matter of personal preference that has him going to
> > the needle instead each day? The convenience of
> > getting a legal high has demonstrated in him the
> > reason why methadone won't solve the demand
> > reduction formula. I wonder if Preston really thinks
> > he can never stop shooting up? How can he? No need
> > to now! He can go on for a lifetime using up clinic
> > space, taking a place away from a junkie who can't
> > get into treatment and out of the street market. The
> > self indulgence of it is so disgusting. Only these
> > complacent methadone addicts are so self-indulgent
> > and yet so jealous and negative toward the
> > reformers. Then I remember meeting Keith Stroup at
> > the Seattle Hempfest this year. All his organization
> > wants is to have their own high decriminalized. They
> > have nothing to offer the rest of the nation in
> > return for his requests. When Cures not Wars has a
> > rally in New York and wants to have an Ibogaine
> > protest area included Keith insists that it must be
> > a bait and switch tactic against the pot protesters
> > that come to the rally and somehow all talk of

> > cannabis liberation will not happen. Three years and
> > several hundred rallies later he still lays this
> > lame, empty rap on me. Here is a divisive man who
> > spitefully uses the state chapters of his
> > organization to hassle and negate the effectiveness
> > of an organization dedicated not only to Keith's
> > high (assuming he's not snorting the
> > Texas-sugar-booger anymore) but to ending the drug
> > war in the only peaceful means that AmeriKKKan
> > politics will tolerate -effective drug treatment for
> > demand reduction. There is no need to legalize
> > addictive drugs and there is a great need to
> > legalize cannabis for all it's uses. Now I'm not
> > going to elaborate on my theory of what Mr. Stroup's
> > true motives are today but the point it is that yes,
> > some pot activists will not work with reform groups
> > outside of their focus and when NORML does it, it is
> > only for their own benefit or to please their
> > outside financial backers. NORML is the only
> > organization that refuses to play well with others.
> > Outside of that the cannabis movement is united even
> > while dedicated to manning individual fronts in the
> > drug war. Outside of DPA, and a handful of staunch
> > anti-prohibitionists, the hard drug front is mainly
> > manned by the street gangs. No pot activist wants to
> > admit to being in the same camp as the gangstas but
> > the strong ones understand and address the big

> > picture in their thinking. The fact is it's the same
> > cops who sting addicted buyers, arrest pushers
> > and/or rob higher level ones, break into crack
> > houses, round up homeless addicts, drive OD's to
> > emergency rooms and bust a lot of petty ante
> > sellers. They are the same cops who make pretext
> > stops of cars to sniff for smoke, break into grow
> > rooms, brutalize medical pot patients, arrest
> > college kids with a couple joints, infiltrate pot
> > distribution rings and bust a lot of petty ante

> > sellers. And wouldn't you just know that they are
> > the same cops who monitor and even intimidate pot
> > protest events, investigate event organizers,
> > infiltrate reform organizations, bust activist
> > leaders and make a lot of petty ante busts at
> > rallies.
> > The enemy is the same but the different fronts of
> > our side of this Civil War on drugs need to be
> > manned in different ways. In the case of cannabis it
> > is a diplomatic effort to gain market separation,
> > remove the lies and win on the merits of the truth
> > of cannabis' safety and usefulness. The goal is to
> > remove criminal penalties against all forms of
> > cannabis. In the case of hard drug addiction a
> > higher caliber ammunition should be used to blast
> > through the stonewall against harm-reduction, and to
> > expose government and intelligence community
> > complicity in creating a massive addiction problem.
> > Against these fortified bunkers of the DEA, NIDA and
> > FDA, ibogaine is a high explosive that can be used
> > to shame the bureaucrats into giving us drug policy
> > based on demand reduction instead of interdiction.
> > There will always be cases of addicts who will do
> > time but addiction should be reduced to an
> > aggravating circumstance for another crime rather
> > than a crime punishable in itself. How the
> > anti-prohibitionists propose to solve the addiction
> > problem by legalizing hard drugs is still a mystery
> > to me. There is just no room for a legal addictive
> > drug market when you consider the examples shown by
> > cigarettes and Prozac, Paxil, et cetera, ad nausium.
> > Just as ibogaine will naturally make methadone
> > obsolete, pot will make addictive drugs obsolete,
> > given the chance.
> >
> >
> > As for addiction: The most powerful anti-drug
> > education, sadly, occurs after the fact of addiction
> > is certain. That is when the addict realizes the
> > loss of free will, when there is no "Just say no"
> > option. If this addict can compare that to the
> > non-addicted state then drug education becomes
> > strong enough to motivate a change in lifestyle and

> > value systems. Now if the addiction itself is still
> > active this person is just a relapse waiting to
> > happen, but if the natural chemical outputs in the
> > brain are returned to normal, you have someone who
> > is free bodily and also mentally prepared to repair
> > the psychological aspects of the addictive
> > lifestyle/personality. One beauty of ibogaine is how
> > it allows a rapid A-B comparison, and with maximum
> > contrast. A patient is in withdrawal pains and then
> > awakes cured of pain and craving. Weaning a person
> > free of addiction fails to give that comparison and
> > only clears the path for relapse or re-addiction.
> > What does it mean that ibogaine doesn't work for
> > "marijuana addiction?" Two things come to mind.
> > First is that pot smoking creates a much greater
> > response in the release of Melotonin than in any
> > other neural pathway and gets only slight,
> > second-handed responses from dopamine and endorphin
> > pathways. Since Melatonin basically IS ibogaine,
> > which IS tryptomine, pot smoking is anti-addictive.
> > You can't help but see the anti-hard-drug
> > implications of that. Secondly, cannabis should
> > truly be classified as an hallucinogen, along with
> > all the other entheogens and other trippy stuff that
> > we have always known don't cause addiction or
> > withdrawal.
> > As for the marijuana movement: Just as pot people
> > try not to associate with other user groups. NORML

> > avoids or ignores the big picture of the drug war.
> > We used to say there was no Natl. Organization for
> > the Reform of Heroin Law, but that was before Drug
> > Policy Forum exploded into the media debate. DPF
> > lobbied in favor of all drug legalization and
> > methadone as well as any harm reduction idea that
> > could keep an addict alive long enough to make it
> > into and through the methadone clinic waiting lists.
> > DPF apparently thought cannabis issues were in good
> > hands with NORML and placed no emphasis on cannabis

> > liberation. Now reformed as the Drug Policy
> > Alliance, it is basically the same organization with
> > recreational and medical cannabis added to the
> > mission statement. The pot activists are not in good
> > hands with NORML after all, they would do better to
> > join the MPP. But if pot were legal today the drug
> > war would still be going on tomorrow. That's why
> > Cures not Wars promotes separating the cannabis
> > culture from the battlefield and compassionately
> > addressing the user demand side of the drug trade
> > first by curing addiction with ibogaine. Why
> > perpetuate an addict with methadone in order to
> > function a whole day when ibogaine will allow a
> > former-addict to function for a lifetime? Addiction
> > is not diabetes!! As a borderline myself, with lots
> > of diabetics in my family, I personally resent that
> > comparison. Addiction is man made and can be
> > corrected. When the day comes that a diabetes is
> > curable, how many will prefer to be injecting the
> > rest of their lives!?
> >
> > God forgive Amerikkka,
> > Jay Statzer
> > CNW MI

> >
-------

From: 

Douglas Greene <douggreene@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/29 Mon AM 10:19:38 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

RE: [ibogaine] Ah--but it's not about pot...




Dana wrote:

 

Ethan works for Soros, BTW.

 

I think the Alliance is no longer affiliated with Soros.  They moved out of the OSI building, for sure.

 

 But H.T., as I said, was not intended by its founder Tom Forcade to be a pot magazine, and that's what the argument is about. Hager became editor-in-chief & turned it into one two or three years  after that initial ibo article. (Which was an improvement on centerfolds of coke). In the past 10 years they've kinda stopped writing about ibo, cause DPA, NORML and the Kennedys circled the wagons in support of the status quo, which included methadone, clean needles, and heroin trials...but not Ibogaine.

 

Times and personnel change.  Valerie is now their new news editor, and Bloom seemed very receptive to the angle on an ibo story I pitched him last week.  Let's see what happens.  It's clear that they needed to shift the focus of the magazine to something broader, if for nothing more tan commercial reasons.

 

Doug/cnw

From: 

"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue PM 11:32:09 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] Ah--but it's not about pot...

Ah--but it's not about pot...>There really won't be many advertisers left
after that so I understand HT has sacked much of its staff and is
re-positioning itself away from pot.<

To put it mildly.
Peace,
Preston

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Scott Emery
To: ibogaine@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Ah--but it's not about pot...


In fact, High Times is transitioning into a lifestyle magazine in order to
get mainstream advertisers. The DEA has not so subtly threatened HT/the
Forcade trust with legal action if it continues to carry paraphernalia ads,
marijuana seed ads, and fake bud ads. There really won't be many advertisers
left after that so I understand HT has sacked much of its staff and is
re-positioning itself away from pot.

Marc Emery

From: 

HSLotsof@...   

Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue PM 01:09:14 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] dept Health&HumanServices reply


deartheo,

Can you tell me who Dr. Raub is and exactly to whom did you write your letter
and can your provide the text of your letter to Dr. Raub.

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 9/30/03 5:02:29 PM, deartheo@... writes:

>...Dr. Raub has requested that I reply directly to your inquiry.
>
>Your letter contends that the DHHS is unaware of ibogaine and not interested
>in funding research with ibogaine.  This is not accurate.  DHHS has been
>aware of ibogaine wince the early 1990's when Mr. Howard Lotsof brought
>it to our attention.  There is a variety of information concerning ibogaine
>available in the published literature and on the Internet, and various

>journals and periodicals continue to publish occasional stories on ibogaine.
> Additionally, meetings were held with Mr. Howard Lotsof and Dr. Deborah
>Mash concerning their interest in seeking approval of ibogaine as a potential
>addiction treatment medication.  Subsequently, Dr. Mash received permission
>from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to conduct clinical trials
>of ibogaine in the United States.  To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Mash
>is conducting clinical research with ibogaine in St. Kitts, Netherlands
>Antilles.  As with all other potential medications seeking to be approved
>for marketing in the United States, data developed by Dr. Mash and/or other
>researchers or companies would of need to be submitted to the FDA in support
>of a New Drug Application.
>
>Regarding U.S. Government sponsored research-funding, individuals and
institutions
>are free to apply to the National Institutes on Health for grants to fund
>their projects.  A peer review process, utilizing non-federal scientists
>to review and evaluate all research grant proposals, determines funding
>priority for grants.  Each project grant application is reviewed on its
>own merits.  There is no policy that precludes ibogaine from this process,
>and indeed, over the years the National Institute on Drug Abuse has funded
>some grants related to ibogaine or its close chemical relatives.  For
example,
>one researcher was funded for his attempts to modify the molecular structure
>of ibogaine to reduce its tremorogenic properties.  The grant process remains
>open and available for any individual, institution, or company wishing
>to propose projects concerning ibogaine.
>
>I hope you find this information helpful.
>
>Sincerely,
>Lee Cummings
>Special Assistant to the Director,
>Division of Treatment Research and Development
>National Institute on Drug Abuse

From: 

deartheo@...   

Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue PM 03:29:23 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] dept Health&HumanServices reply

http://ds1.psc.dhhs.gov/hhsdir/eeKey.asp?Key=99265
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Office of Public Health Preparedness

Acronym list......:   HHS/OS/IOS/IO/OPHP
Phone................:   202-401-4862
Postal address.:   200 Independence Ave. S.W., Room 636-G, Washington, DC 20201

Web site............: www.hhs.gov/ophp
Parent Organizations

* Department of Health & Human Services
* Office of the Secretary
* Immediate Office of the Secretary
* Immediate Office

Immediate Staff Positions

* Director, Jerome M. Hauer
* Phone.......:   202-401-4862
* Fax............:   202-690-7412
* E-mail.......: Jerome.Hauer@...
* Location....:   200 Independence Ave., S.W., Room 636-G,
Washington, DC 20201

* Principal Deputy Director, William Raub
* Phone.......:   202-401-4862
* Fax............:   202-690-7412
* E-mail.......: William.Raub@...
* Location....:   200 Independence Ave., S.W., Room 636-G,
Washington, DC 20201

* Principal Science Advisor, Dr. D.A. Henderson
* Phone.......:   202-401-4862
* Fax............:   202-690-7412
* E-mail.......: DA.Henderson@...
* Location...:   200 Independence Ave., S.W., Room 636-G, Washington,
DC 20201

* Secretary's Command Center
* Phone.......:   202-358-2413

From: 

"sandra ." <windforme@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue AM 04:17:40 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] need advise

Jocy,

If you are interested in Ayahuasca, there is a small community of 25 or so
people who are
exploring ayahuasca in the Santo Daime tradition. There is more info here:

http://www.geocities.com/ceudocaribe/noticias.htm


-Sandra
--

From: 

ccps ccps <snail_cam@...>   

Date: 
2003/09/30 Tue PM 02:47:05 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] guide in africa?

Hello Randy,
 
 i am a cameroonean  i live Douala .
if your friend like to see the authentic bwiti ,let he  contact me , i  can manage,take all the contact  and help him so that he can  meet a nganga in cameroon or assiste at a bwiti ceremonial if possible .
authentic bwiti is available in gabon and cameroon an no place else .

this is my phone number :002377629899
i am in iboga list
thanks
jean claude

From: 

"Rick Venglarcik" <RickV@...> 

Date: 
2003/10/02 Thu AM 11:33:34 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

[ibogaine] Re: A Rant from Brain Ailment  Not a Moral Lapse

I think the problem that most folks have with the concept of addiction as a
disease is the desire to over-simplify the issue in regard to  trying to
categorize and differentiate various drugs as "physically" addicting versus
something that is "psychologically" addicting, however one wants to spin the
terminology (compulsion, craving, impulse, learned behavior, etc.).

ALL drugs enter the body, exert their primary effects in relation to
neurobiological functions of the brain, and alter said functions for a
temporary period of time.  The research would seem to indicate that extended
use of just about any sort of psychoactive chemical will result in some  sort
of "permanent" modification of physiological structure.  So, in essence, most
psychoactive drugs are "physically" addicting, but each displays its own
particular "withdrawal" effects through different mechanisms...i.e., compulsion
is rooted in some sort of either temporary or "permanent" alteration in brain
function.  As such, one can say just about any sort of chemical use or pattern
of behavior is physical, with many effects merely manifesting themselves
through behavior, emotions, compulsions, etc.

So is addiction a disease?  Yes and No.  Can it be effectively overcome?
Absolutely.  However, once brain structure and function has been altered, one
will be left with some longer lasting, perhaps even permanent, alterations.
The individual will most likely remain "primed" to use substances, and all it
takes to move back into that behavior would be the right
environmental/psychological/behavioral cuing.  Thus, e.g., go to the dentist,
get a legitimate scrip for percodan, and bingo...the pump gets primed, and the
former "addict" might very well be off to the races.  And some times, the
engine doesn't start with the first blast of primer, but eventually, the engine
will typically respond after a few more applications.

I think this is the reason that so many people fail to overcome the issues they
recognize as problems...BOX-THINK...a belief that human behavior can be neatly
categorized and that we can come up with THE WAY or THE PROGRAM that we can
apply to everyone.  We are all genetically different, so that sort of approach
makes no logical sense.  Likewise, most people fail to recognize that all the
various things methods that effectuate positive change essentailly do a lot of
the same things at a neurophysiological level.  Thus, one might learn to play a
piano and become a highly talented concert pianist.  It takes years to become
this accomplished, and is a result of activity and changes going on in the
brain.  The person could then stop playing completely for years without much
difficulty...they get a real job, go to school, whatever.  Twenty-five years
later, they would not be able to sit down and play at the same level. It would
take some time to get back to the same level of ability...nonetheless, this
length of time would be nowhere near the length of time as it would take
someone who is starting from scratch.

I think we are generally on the same page re: legalization.  I tend more toward

decriminalization.  Nonetheless, it would likely never happen.  Follow the
money trail.  There is simply way too much profit for the powers-that-be in
keeping certain drugs illegal.  Follow the $$$ far enough and you will

understand how and why that is the case.

>>> deartheo@... 10/02/03 11:12AM >>>
I think it blurs the reality of the situation when you start (as usually is
done) grouping all drugs as the same, especially if you start saying that using
a substance (all of them?) is a disease.  For opioid addiction, yes absolutely
it is a physical condition that should (but most often is not) covered by
insurance (methadone clinics are not covered by insurance for example).  But
even crack-cocaine isn't PHYSICALLY addicting, nor are hallucinogens or

marijuana; but ironically enough alcohol if used daily for some time IS
physically addicting.  The fact is each individual drug deserves its own
investigation because they are not the same.  Unfortunately, to find the truth
out from experience is to bite off more then one can chew usually.  So the
majority of people (especially parents) go with the flow of misinformation
given by gov't sponsored indoctrination programs usually taught by a police
officer with a gun, and who in there right mind would argue with someone with a
gun.

I have found that I agree with what the Rational Recovery people say more then
the 12 step addiction is a disease' way of thinking.  In other words, i don't
want my future self to continue to be plagued by my past, it is a matter to
some extent of self identity (i am not a former junkie but a person) and
keeping consistent on not throwing my hands up in the air saying "fuck it" is
essential.

Could you say the same if chocolate were outlawed?  I do believe their is a
behavior of an 'addict', someone who can't own a espresso machine because they
will drink 20 cups in an hour, but how often (if not opioids) does it really
hurt physically if they stop whatever they choose that day (speed and cocaine
and even marijuana users find themselves in 12 step programs)?  To me that is
compulsion not real addiction, and compulsion can be easily learned and with
time and sincerity can be unlearned.
It appears to me that the way the systM is set up to use scare tactics to
"keep the majority of people from trying it even once" are a direct contributor
to peoples willingness to experiment with new substances after trying marijuana
for the first time after being told marijuana is as bad as heroin and finding
out through personal experience how safe it is wrongfully assume that the rest
of the substances are as safe as marijuana, which with the possible exception
of natural hallucinogens, they are not.  And the truth continues to be buried
in so much misinformation and the truth from experience is stigmatized by
misinformation supporters who are tying to pass bills like the Victory Act,
linking even drug USE with international terrorism with penalties that are way
more then any violent rapist would receive.  And don't get me started on how
politicians and media group non-violent crime and violent crime as simply
"crime", again blurring the reality of the situation.

So lets ask ourselves, why politicians aren't getting the legalization
message to end economic opportunities for terrorist that would otherwise not be
there.  To be honest, their are very few US citizens who feel safe saying it.
Even people who have never done a drug in their life see the logic in
legalization, but to be in gov't and speaking this is political blasphemy and
political suicide, or so they think.  And we have to consider the drug cartels
prohibition creates have plenty of money to line the pocketbooks of US
politicians, US Gov't agencies, and US Banks for Fractal Reserve Banking, where
the number one borrower, the US Gov't can borrow up to 10 times what the bank
has.  Not to mention the convenience of having an illegal trade to help some of
our poor "friend" nations or uprisings of enemy nations to help fund their
efforts.  We can't even have a national debate about legalization because

technically the RAVE ACT (passed as an attachment to a very legitimate National
'Amber Alert' Bill) gives authorities the legal authority to harass the

organizer and shut the event down.  They have already enforced the RAVE ACT

with a NORML chapter meeting.  I guess to test the waters.  But we seem not to
act unless the news media tells us to react.

From: 

deartheo@...   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri AM 11:35:38 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

[ibogaine] ant from Brain ment  More

I'm listening to George Clintons 'One Nation Under Groove' so if my words bob
in rythem i appoligize : )
Methadone clinics can make life much, much more managable to the often
irreliable supply of street junk and the like.  I think that is the reason the
clinics "helped" so much when i simply didn't have the time to take off work to

kick (for one week) heroin/cocaine cocktails; the coke put in becasue a
tolerance happens with opiates so quickly i only got high off straight heroin
for maybe a month if that.  Opiates are the most over rated but 'balls
grabbing' substance i've ever come across.  I can't say i was able to do this,
but it really would have helped if i had s-l-o-w-l-y, very slowly went down.
Alot of the staff will say a few ml each day, but to me that eventually adds up
the more you do it, so with respect to the sickness and how long it lasts with
methadone, i wouldn't go down anymore then 1 ml a month, just to keep the
sickness away.  Of course the lower you get down the more of a % of your dose
you are cutting so it obviously gets harder the lower you go.  Thats why i wish
they would let you cut down to 1/2 a ml from 1 ml and 1/4 ml before moving from
1/2.

I have been to 5 different methadone clinics in Dallas/Ft.Worth and none of
them pervided insurance coverage or medicare or sliding scale payments or
anything.  Perhaps i had bad luck in choosing clinics because their are around
20 around the metroplex.

In NY will they provide presribed methadone in jail or is that only a Texas
thing?  Well, let me correct that, it is technically up to a 'jail doctor' who
will determain weither you should recieve your prescribed methadone in jail (19
out of 20 will not).  That is the scariest thing to me about being on
methadone, the reality of instantly being full fledged sick if accussed of a
crime.

I never got high off methadone, even at my high dose, it just made me feel like
a normal human being; who had to wake up at 5:30am before work to remind me i'm
a junkie while waiting in the hopelessness of the methadone waiting room,
trying to dodge the police who persistently stake out the methadone clinics....
no i don't miss that at all.  But thier is no question in my mind that
methadone and orlaam are way more physically addicting then heroin, but who can
get a REAL long term reliable supply of heroin?  All that is sickness dressed
up as a high.

I know what you mean in regard to attending a methadone clinic to others not
considered as 'clean' (who is without 'sin' and who are they to judge, 'cast
the first stone' and all that).  I made the big mistake of dropping in to my
old NA group once while on methadone, i thought they were going to run me out
of the room.

Like i said i never got high off methadone and i think about the only positive
experience from me being on it for so long was that i got alot of the
compulsion to get high, i never shot anything while on methadone (or after) so
it helped me end that distructive habit.  It also helped me even out the highs
and lows any street junkie knows too well..."well (your connect) is asleep, he
was up for 9 days straight so he'll be out for a few days at least" meanwhile
you have to get to work in 30 mins, have to score from someone to not be sick,

hopefully no battery acid etc.   Just crazy, and methadone clinics helped me
get away from that, at a very high price...a stronger opiate that doesn't
deliver a high.

Funny how things change.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sara [ mailto:sara119@... ]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003, 6:59 AM
> To: ibogaine@...
> Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Re: A Rant from Brain Ailment  Not a Moral Lapse
>
> Hey callie,
>
> Yep, you can call it pretty clean, I agree with you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CallieMimosa@... [mailto:CallieMimosa@... ]

> Sent: vrijdag 3 oktober 2003 15:09
> To: ibogaine@...
> Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: A Rant from Brain Ailment Not a Moral Lapse
>
> Sara, I, like you, am not satisfied with the word 'clean' for my present
> status. But, my life is manageable now. Methadone is the only drug I use
> now so until I find a better word I use 'clean.' Also, I was an opiate
> garbage can before.....pills, by mouth and IV, syrups, for cough, pain,
> diarrhea......a real mess!!! Plus the benzodiazepines and weed......
> Yep, I am pretty clean now! hahaha!!!
> Peace to all, Callie





From: 

Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@...>   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 12:14:38 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] Re: A Rant from Brain Ailment  Not a Moral Lapse

If I may add 2 cents (to me/for me) and sort of an
update on a previously treated drug addict with
ibogaine (numerous times) and current use of narcotic
pain meds (for pain silly).

Clean is more of a state of mind. I am on prescription
narcotics (oxycontin) and consider myself quite
"clean". There are some side effects I choose to place
little attention to - like a slight (very slight) pull
or urge at times, it sometimes effects my mood when I
get "low" or a slight desire for a cigarette that
annoys me a bit (I quit 15 months ago). They are just
side effects from having receptors tickled by the
narcotics, no more, no less. It is not "me" like the
drugs became when I was using. I can if I so choose
stop (on a dime) without the slightest craving - FYI,
I did couple months ago (no ibo or anything, kind of a
sick control-issue kind of thing - now spit, look
tough... ain't nothing, kind of thing). What a change
to be told by the doctor TO take drugs and NOT to stop
the narcotics - which I would just spontainously do.
My biggest problem stopping (meds). stopping is no big
deal, starting is a horror (to me), I have to ramp up
over weeks cause it feels so uncomfortable. This is a
side effect from the ibogaine treatment, this NEVER
use to happen to me - it use to be YUM, DRUGS, GOOD,
MORE...

The past 3 weeks or so have been pretty bad (pain),
normally I am on 40mg (10mg 4X) plus perc breakthrough
(5mg oxy) and was getting into the reserves and a
hairs breath from stopping (it was losing its
effectiveness) a sure-fire way to increase the
effectiveness of pain meds, stop them. Then the pain
eased up (it is weather pattern related and other
things were involved) and like always I just find my
level. So for the past 2 days I have had the sweats,
goose-bumps, weakness... and not a craving in site -
slight "rebound" pain discomfort but nothing really.

Point; when the drug is in control of my spirit I am
not "clean". "clean" also comes in levels and is
relative. I walk into an AA meeting and they consider
themselves "clean", meanwhile 80% of them are addicted
to cigarettes, coffee with sugar, garbage food, bad
health habits, they are addicted to meetings often
enough with "FEAR" if they don't attend (use???) - and
if I pay close attention and listen to them I can be
JUST LIKE THEM (they know better, I am deceiving
myself...). Somehow "just one drink away" seems a
little close to the edge for me - if I am really
"clean" (and sober) what is there to be so worried
about? I get images of the movie/TV scene where the
bad guys grab the RECOVERING good guy alcoholic, pour
alcohol down his throat and he is off, out of
control... Whatever it is, there is nothing in me to
"trigger" that any more, it is all gone and has been

replaced by a force of will I never had. There is no
substance that can be put in my body that will cause
me to go "off to the races", ain't gonna happen, ever.
I was in a 1/2 way house with guys that were not
using, but were hardly "clean", 1 guy had 6 years of
white nuckles... He couldn't/didn't "use" but that was
it. A drug addict minus drugs is a sad site to behold,
I offered to drive them to pick-up, just so I could
watch them get off, get sick, be miserable...

There are those who I meet, on methadone for many
years, living their lives without the use of other
addicting drugs (if to you GRASS is, then add it to

YOUR list), no addict behavior/active friends.... For
the most part except for the physical addiction, they
are in my mind, relatively clean - being basically
over the drug addiction and left with a rather nasty
methadone physical addiction.

("Clean is;" LOL) I sometimes forget to take meds and
throw myself into withdrawal, it is the strangest
thing to do for someone who was once deep in addiction
and currently physically habituated to a narcotic.
That's clean and let me tell you, what a difference,
what a pleasure to be like this and not like THAT...
like waking up and being re-wired. The one side effect

I don't like (from ibo) is I find any "feeling" I may
get from meds (none now) is uncomfortable, I dislike
it (99% and the 1% that does, we don't talk to any
longer...).

Getting myself out of being IN RECOVERY, looked at as
a RECOVERING ADDICT  - to be "careful" with certain
things around, that is "clean".

Med time, speaking of. Done. My hands were getting
sticky on the keyboard. By tomorrow/day after any side
effect (minor withdrawal symptoms) will be gone.

My WORST problems with drugs today are with doctors
trying to help me and people in recovery trying to get
me to join their non-religion, to be saved, and of
course ridiculed and looked down upon (he is "out
there"... poor soul). I did try meetings when I first
went on heavy pain meds, I got both good and bad, more
bad I think. No-one should have to go to a 12 step
meeting and feel like the visiting nigger. Some showed
me respect, others "said" things either directly to me
or to other people, sometimes they were VERY insistant
on impressing their opinion on me and everyone around
me. Sometimes they learned, saw me and understood. SO
(I am happily deep in relapse, denial, rationalizing
and all that other recovery crap... I don't smoke,
don't drink (alcohol), am not a habitual anything
(coffee, sugar, sex...), don't do any drugs except
when they will help. "Help" works both ways and means
DO take something when it will "HELP" and DON'T when
it won't "HELP". That I have to remind myself of or I
will just stop or when the paing gets bad,
over-medicate (oxy in particular is useless after a
certain point, I do NOT chase pain with meds... bad
idea).

Brett

From: 

deartheo@...   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 04:46:48 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

[ibogaine] Buprenorphine and Iboga and Yage

I know we were discussing (not enough in my opinion) how iboga compairs with
yage in treating addiciton.  Has anyone heard of anyone useing buprenorphine
prior to or after iboga treatment.  I know next to nothing about buprenorphine
so if it is a shitty treatment sorry for bringing it up, i'm learning as i go :
)






From: 

HSLotsof@...   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 06:19:22 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] Buprenorphine and Iboga and Yage

In a message dated 10/3/03 9:50:11 PM, deartheo@... writes:

>I know we were discussing (not enough in my opinion) how iboga compairs
>with yage in treating addiciton.  Has anyone heard of anyone useing
buprenorphine
>prior to or after iboga treatment.  I know next to nothing about
buprenorphine
>so if it is a shitty treatment sorry for bringing it up, i'm learning as
>i go : )

Buprenorphine is a narcotic having both agonist an antagonist actions.  It
can precipitate withdrawal in an opioid dependent patient.  There is a lot of

information on buprenorphine on the web but, my guess is no one has used
ibogaine to treat buprenorphine dependence.  Or followed ibogaine therapy with
buprenorphine.  Your question is a very interesting one.

Howard





From: 

"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...> 

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 05:01:05 CDT

To: 
<ibogaine@...>

Subject: 

Re: [ibogaine] ant from Brain ment  More

>In NY will they provide presribed methadone in jail or is that only a Texas
thing? <

Rikers Island does give methadone if docs decide the prisoner really is an
addict.

>I never got high off methadone, even at my high dose, it just made me feel
like a normal human being;<

Me neither, and a sweaty human being at that.

>I made the big mistake of dropping in to my old NA group once while on
methadone, i thought they were going to run me out of the room.<

I was very open about my methadone use while going to NA rooms, and boy did
I cause trouble for the "clean" ones who simply couldn't stand the idea that
I sounded rational on methadone- I couldn't REALLY be rational because I was
on DRUGS. Or so some loudly asserted.
Egad. That raised some hackles for sure. I though the ol' tar and
feathers were going to come out once or twice when I insisted on "sharing."
Anyway,
Peace,
Preston

From: 

HSLotsof@...   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 06:13:10 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

[ibogaine] Case Studies of Ibogaine Treatment

I am pleased to announce the Elsevier has given permission to reproduce the
chapter by Norma Alexander and myself, "Case Studies of Ibogaine Treatment:
Implications for Patient Management Strategies" from The Alkaloids series, vol.
56, IBOGAINE: PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE on the Dora
Weiner Foundation web page. The Editors of vol. 56 are Alper, Glick and Cordell.

http://www.doraweiner.org/alexanderlotsof.html

Regards,

Howard

Howard S. Lotsof
President






From: 

deartheo@...   

Date: 
2003/10/03 Fri PM 07:58:12 CDT

To: 
ibogaine@...

Subject: 

[ibogaine] bill quote

"Did you ever read H.G. Wells' 'The Country of the Blind'?  About a man stuck
in a country where all the other inhabitants had been blind so many generations
they had lost the concept of sight.  He flips.
'But don't you understand I can SEE?'

As Ever,
Bill"
-from the Yage Letters

IF YOU WANT YR CONTACT ON THE NEW IBOGAINE POSTER, SET UP AN IBOGAINE DROP-IN CENTER TODAY!

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419-289-8810  419-207-8834

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Dover: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.

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address: 1614 Gilbert Road, Williamstown, VT 05679

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Since 2001, PARIS is part of the Global march for Cannabis liberation by

gathering all  french cannabis legalizers in Bastille place, May 1st at 2:00 PM. Everyone and

every groups are welcome to organize their local events in order to increase the

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Parkersburg: "Cindy Wimer" <indianbud@...> "Mountaineers for Medical Marijuana" 304-428-1726

Philadelphia:  "chuck palmer" <chuckp@...> 610-279-6358  100 participants, no arrests in '02.

Phoenix: 602-200-9461 Conscience Credence Cannabis Committee POB 86112, Phoenix, AZ 85080-6112 donovan criss  doncriss@... 602-486-6145 1635 w. grovers av. phoenix,az 85023 or rex 602-618-4521 2222 w beardsly rd #1119 phoenix,az 85027  Rally @ Encanto park

 

Prague: Michael "xChaos" Polak <mmmteam@...> Tel: +420 603 872631 / +420 2 33358050  http://www.legalizace.cz MMM 2003 was the smoothest,most "mainstream" legalization event.... 2000 people, almost zero interest from police... MMM looks more and more like regular festival, rather than political rally. However media coverage was good/neutral, and as usual, it seems politicians are more likely to talk about legalization after MMM attracts media. We publicly announced the list of 8 people imprisoned for cannabis only out of 10 million. But Vaclav Havel is no longer president; Havel used right to give amnesty to prisoners to virtually veto some laws, including cannabis possession.

Portland: 2004 MMM Organizing Committee, c/o Oregon NORML, PO Box 16057, Portland, Or 97292    503.239.6110

Madeline Martinez: yerbanena@...  Steven M. Cooper: OrNorml.Secretary@...

Raleigh-Durham: Bryan T. Moore <btm42@...> 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803  phone (919) 247-2644 or Chris Harris (919)368-5913 or "Jeff Badalucco"

<nc_ca@...> 919-247-2644 238 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803

Raleigh NC MMM will be held at the Capitol Building from 4-9pm on Saturday May 3rd.

Rapid City: Bob Newland <newland@...> 605-255-4032 website: http://www.sodaknorml.org/  300 marchers in '02.

Richmond: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer@...> (804)355-7612 <http://us.f148.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=onelovedesignz@...m>or S.L. Barker (RCHO) onelovedesignz@...  Monroe Park

Rosario: +54 - 341-4201291 or +54 - 341- 4642699 E-mail: raddud@... Corrientes 1307, 2000 - Rosario- ARGENTINA Nearly 400 participants in '02.

 

Salt Lake City: Dr. Ken Larsen (801) 533-8658 < kencan@... > 856 E. 100 South (#2), Salt Lake City, UT 84102 or Ben Valdez 801-304-0303 hempower@...  http:/ www.utahmmj.org 300 noisy marchers, no arrests.

San Francisco: Hemp Evolution/Clark Sullivan http://hempevolution.org (415) 724-5081 "freeman sullivan" webmaster@... 4,000 participants in '02, no arrests.

San Juan: Alejandro "Zen" Otero hempwierdzenie@... postal: 425 carr. 693 PMB 130 Dorado PR 00646-4802 Tel# 787-345-9036  Also: www.Earthdance.org   earthdancepuertorico@...

 

San Marcos: Joe Ptak: 512.754.0264 Email:

kindradio@... Postal: 505 Patricia, San

Marcos, TX; 78666

Spokane: Darren McCrea 509-998-3405  rcannabisclub.org 4807 N. Adams, Spokane, WA 99205

St. Louis: 314-567-8522 gstlnorml@... or St. Louis Area NORML , PO Box 220243,

St. Louis, MO 63122.   http://www.gstlnorml.org 600 marched to the Arch for cannabis reform.

Sturgeon Falls: Bro Michael Ethier 705 753-4756 maryhuanamike@... ..c/o Tarzan's Mission of the Sacred Herb,171 Queen Street, Sturgeon Falls, Ontario, Canada P2B 2G2

Tampa: revolutionary_stoner@... or Kelly 813-389-8941 Over 100 participants in '02.

Tokyo: Takao Bakuya (Cannabist) info@... +81-3-3706-6885 http://www.cannabist.org 1,200 participants in '03.

Toronto: Larry Duprey (416)540-7829 fax(416)242-2635 or Toronto Area Association / Marijuana Party of Canada, 132 Dundas St. East, Toronto, On M5B 1E2 (416)367-3459 3-6,000 participants in '02. http://www.canadiancannabisawards.ca http://www.cannabisclub.ca

Traverse City: Melody Karr <fiddlefoot420@...>

(231)885-2993 PO Box 524 Mesick, MI 49668. or 10954 Birch Road

Mesick MI 49668. 70 marchers, hundreds of spectators in '02.

http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/traversecity.htm

Tucson: mary mackenzie <mmackenzie2@...> (520)323-2947  or 3400 east speedway, #118, tucson, arizona 85716 Over 200 participants in '02.

Tupelo: Contact: Anita T. Mayfield Phone # 662-963-0775, E-mail:  <mailto:nita@...>nita@...

Upper Lake, Ca.: Linda & Eddy Lepp"linda senti"

<lisenti@...> 707-275-8879 Several hundred showed up, 140 new patients signed up. in "03.

Vancouver: David Malmo-Levine, <dagreenmachine@...> BC

Marijuana Party Bookstore and Internet Broadcasting Center, 307

West Hastings Tel. 604 682-1172 http://www.cannabisculture.com 2,000 marchers in '02.

Wellington: Frank Kitts Park. wellington@...

Wichita: Debby Moore, CEOHemp Industries of Kansas 2742 E. 2nd Wichita, Kansas, 67214  (316) 681 1743 debby@...; or c.a. riley, Kansas NORML  316.685.7869  ksnorml@... http://www.ksnorml.org Last year about thrity people met and marched through downtown Wichita. I will plan a cookout with speakers, but will certainly discourage any smoking of the herb cannabis.

Wilmington: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.

Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716

The following 2003 List consists of 231 cities [If you want to upload ANY  of the following to the web, remember that [bracketed material] is private, and intended for internal information of this network only--so that Dana Larsen can send you a check and a box of CANNABIS CULTURE magazines, in other words. DON'T--DO NOT--PUT IT ON A WEBSITE] or may be accessed at  http://www.cures-not-wars.org/cities.htm    Another, no-longer active list follows the 2003 list below for regional organizers who want to follow-up and reactivate those cities for next year. An alternative, MMM Million Marijuana March, 236+ cities globally can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction

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