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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:12:46 -0400
From: Dana Beal
Subject: GMfCL 2003 #41: Philadelphia, Sturgeon Falls, Upper Lake Make 69
Cities on the MMM Poster for 2004!CC: eco man
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richmondrosariosalt lake citysan franciscosan juansan marcosst. louissturgeon fallstampatorontotokyotraverse citytucsontupeloupper lakevancouverwellingtonwichitawilmington----------*****!!! May 4, 2002 Cannabis Liberation Day: Updates, Reports!!!*****From:"michel ethier" <maryhuanamike@...>
Date:
2003/08/11 Mon AM 06:56:06 CDT
To:
dana@...
Subject:Re: GMfCL 2003 #34: Get yr City on the MMM Poster for 2004!
High Dana
Please add Sturgeon Falls to the list of supporting communities. Thank you
Sturgeon Falls, Ontario: Reverend Michel Ethier c/o Tarzan's Mission of the
Sacred Herb 171 Queen Street, Sturgeon Falls, Ontario P2B 2G2 phone/fax 705
753-4756 maryhuanamike@...
Bless you, bless us all.
Reverend Brother Michel D. Ethier
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From:"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>
Date:
2003/09/06 Sat AM 08:20:56 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] Scientists Retract Story on Ecstasy Brain Damage OOPS
funny, I just sent out the following note yesterday to the DrugWar list (I
forget about the ibogaine list sometimes- my bad) -
Hi all,
Here is yet another example of prohibitionists using the shoddiest of
science to bolster their scaremongering anti-drug stories and practices.
This note below about MDMA comes to us from Rick Doblin, executive
director of MAPS ( http://www.maps.org) , who also sent me a presentation
explaining the "MDMA causes holes in brains" fraud from the US
prohibitionistic government, which some pundits and luminaries, such as
Oprah Winfrey, helped perpetuate.
Anyway, thought I'd pass this along for food for thought and in case
anyone wants to do a little research about the alleged Parkinson's link to
MDMA. It is an interesting story, in that MDMA has been found to actually
counteract some of the physical disabilities wrought by Parkinson's itself.
Damn prohibitionists. This reminds me of the discovery that THC seems to
attack some types of cancer cells, discovered way back in the mid-70s then
covered up by the US government until some researchers in Spain (I think I
remember correctly) recently discovered the same thing, a couple years back
now.
Some drug or other is found to be beneficial in some specific way, so
the prohibitionists find some way of presenting the "evidence" in such a way
as to report the exact opposite conclusion to that found by the actual
research. The Bush admin has also done it for the WTC air safety reports,
global warming reports, ummm, Iraq reports, drugs = terror reports- gee,
this could turn into a really long list.
Peace,
Preston
from Rick Doblin at MAPS.org >The story is getting
better all the time. In a week or two, the journal Science will issue aletter from George Ricaurte retracting his paper claiming that MDMA causesdopaminergic neurotoxicity in primates and that people are at risk of getting
Parkinson's.
Turns out he mistakenly administered methamphetamine to his primates, not
MDMA. When he tried to replicate his findings with oral MDMA, as opposed towhat he thought was injected MDMA (but was really meth), he couldn't find any
dopaminergic neurotoxicity. So not only are his findings bogus but he hasshown that MDMA doesn't damage dopamine neurons. Furthermore, he should haveknown this all along since he ignored human data showing no dopamine problems inhis rush to demonize MDMA.<-----------------------
From:Robert Gordon <dancegroove@...>
Date:
2003/09/08 Mon PM 01:30:15 CDT
To:
Dana Beal <dana@...>, Michael Forman <m4man61@...>
Subject:Touch screen vote tampering
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm#audit
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From:"Doctor D. Webmaster OnlinePot" <onlinepot@...>
Date:
2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:57:31 CDTTo:Cures-not-wars NY <cnw@...>
Subject:Oergon Light Shop Wire Taps & Fla AAMC Update
Ok
heard from our unknown friend in Oregon again with
more documents, wire tap reports & such for an
Portland Oregon Light Shop, Now these court records
are 7 years old, :( BUT they do show real well how
the DEA & drug cops work when they watch the Grow &
Light shops, not just in Oregon but everywhere!
Its pretty safe to assume that the same thing is going
on in every state & every big city in America!
Read these & Learn How They Work!
http://www.onlinepot.org/legal/lightshopexpose1.htm
Now on to the Florida AAMC Office
We have managed to scrap together enough to rent
another location with first & last, properly zoned for
an office, this one even has a bathroom & a shower
installed! :):)
Now we are just trying to scrape together the $75
dollars deposit for the eletric deposit! (Left it in
gods hands now) the office phone is off as of this
morning & we are down to using Kev's cell phone till
after the move,
954-260-4587
DSL is still up But unknown for how long, so I thought
we better get this out asap!
Florida AAMC is hanging in there!
just going thru a bumppy section of road
We will try to stay in touch & working as much as
possible during the move
stay well chris
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"hippopotamus.john" <hippopotamus.john@...> Block Sender | Block Domain
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun AM 11:52:00 CDT
To:
"Bruce @ Work" <brucec@...>
Subject:
This, you won't believe!!!!
Wow,
I tried this and found it was true and I blocked my info..at least on
google.... I do not like the idea of a map to my house being available to
any one with out my knowledge!!!!!!!!
FYI - Google Telephone SearchGoogle has implemented a new feature wherein you can type someone's
telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be
given a map to their house. Before forwarding this, I tested it by typing my
telephone number in google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked
on the MapQuest link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary.
Please look up your own number. Read below for details. Think about it--if a
child, single person, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, someone can
actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives.The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. This is not a hoax; Mapquest
will put a star on your house on your street. In order to test whether your
phone number is mapped, go to: www.google.com
Type your phone number in the search bar with dashes (i.e. 555-555-1212)(dashes ¬ spaces very important) and hit enter. This will divulge yourname and address. You will see a link option to the right for
Mapquest(click on it), which will use the address to provide a map to your
home or place of business. If you want to BLOCK Google from divulging your
private information, simply click on the telephone icon next to your phone
number. If you are unlisted in the phone book, you might not be in there,
but it is a good idea just to check. Please forward on to friends and
family.Peace,
John
"Hans Gefunkelt"-------------
From:Michael Novick <antiracistaction_la@...>
Date:
2003/09/10 Wed PM 09:17:58 CDTTo:
Eyespycia@yahoogroups.com
Subject:CIA counterattacks White House--Pincus says Bush was warned on Iraq
Spy Agencies Warned of Iraq Resistance
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post
Tuesday 09 September 2003
U.S. intelligence agencies warned Bush administration policymakers before
the war in Iraq that there would be significant armed opposition to a
U.S.-led occupation, according to administration and congressional sources
familiar with the reports.
Although general in nature, the sources said, the intelligence agencies'
concerns about the degree of resistance U.S. forces would encounter have
proved broadly accurate in the months since the ouster of Iraqi President
Saddam Hussein and his inner circle.
Among the threats outlined in the intelligence agencies' reporting was that
"Iraqis probably would resort to obstruction, resistance and armed
opposition if they perceived attempts to keep them dependent on the U.S.
and the West," one senior congressional aide said. The general tenor of the
reports, according to a senior administration official familiar with the
intelligence, was that the postwar period would be more "problematic" than
the war to overthrow Hussein.
As U.S. military casualties mount and resistance forces wage a campaign of
targeted bombings in Iraq, some administration officials have begun to
fault the CIA and other intelligence agencies for being overly optimistic
and failing to anticipate such widespread and sustained opposition to a
U.S. occupation. But several administration and congressional sources
interviewed for this article said the opposite occurred. They said senior
policymakers at the White House, Pentagon and elsewhere received classified
analyses before the war warning about the dangers of the postwar period.
"Intelligence reports told them at some length about possibilities for
unpleasantness," said a senior administration official, who like others
spoke on condition of anonymity. "The reports were written, but we don't
know if they were read."
In the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion, senior Pentagon officials were
privately optimistic about postwar Iraq, and their assessment shaped
calculations about the size of the occupation force that would be required
and how long it would have to be there, as well as the overall cost of the
U.S. management of Iraq after the fall of the Hussein government.
The more pessimistic view generally remained submerged, but the controversy
did occasionally break into the open, most notably when then-Army Chief of
Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki told Congress in February that several hundred
thousand occupation troops would be needed. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul
D. Wolfowitz rejected his estimate at the time as "wildly off the mark."
Although the Pentagon has said it has no plans to increase the number of
U.S. forces in Iraq -- now nearly 130,000 -- the Bush administration has
launched a new diplomatic campaign to win foreign pledges of more troops to
help stabilize the country.
Before the war, the CIA passed on intelligence that some members of
Hussein's Republican Guard military units and his Baathist Party had plans
to carry on resistance after the war, according to one senior intelligence
official. "They had been given instructions should the regime fall," the
official said. U.S. military and civilian leaders in Iraq have said they
believe the daily attacks against U.S. forces are being carried out by
Hussein loyalists.
CIA analysts last summer also expressed concerns that the "chaos after war
would turn [Iraq] into a laboratory for terrorists," according to another
former intelligence analyst. President Bush picked up on this theme in his
nationally televised speech Sunday night, saying Iraq is attracting
international terrorists and is now the "central front" in the war on
terrorism.
There is not universal agreement about the clarity of the prewar
intelligence that was forwarded by the CIA and its counterpart agencies atthe Pentagon and State Department. Some administration officials said the
intelligence was murkier than others now depict it.
"The possibility there would be armed opposition was based on inductive
reasoning," one administration official said of reports from the Defense
Intelligence Agency. "The analysts were guessing." Another congressional
aide said the intelligence reports he had seen "were not very specific and
had a range of outcomes and caveats depending on how the war would go."
However, the prevailing view within intelligence agencies, including the
DIA, was that there would be resistance. Officials said this explained the
thinking behind Shinseki's congressional testimony earlier this year. A DIA
memo last fall said postwar Iraq would be "highly complex and driven by
political and religious factions," according to one former Pentagonanalyst. "They [Defense Intelligence Agency analysts] said it would be hard
to keep the lid on and to keep the various areas of the country from
falling apart."
Former Army secretary Thomas E. White said that during discussions he had
in the Pentagon before the war, he was told "the situation once the war was
over would be contentious." Although White said he did not see intelligence
on postwar Iraq first hand, it was discussed in meetings with Shinseki, who
said there were reports that "you could expect a major influx of Islamic
fighters."
It was for those reasons, White said in a telephone interview, that
Shinseki saw the need "to size the postwar force bigger than the wartime
force."
Speaking of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, White said,
"Their view of the intelligence was much different. Their notion of it was
resistance would run away as the few remaining Saddam loyalists were hunted
down."
White said on NBC's "Today" show Thursday that the postwar planning
assumptions approved by senior Pentagon civilians were based on U.S. troops
being "greeted in the streets by a euphoric public, glad of being rid of
Saddam Hussein, and consequently we could very rapidly draw down the force
structure."
White, who resigned his Army post in April, has published a new book
sharply critical of the administration's Iraq policy.
Pentagon spokesmen did not immediately reply to telephone questions about
the prewar intelligence.
A White House official said the administration is not surprised by the
level of resistance U.S. forces are encountering. "It does not come as a
surprise that some of the bitter fanatics continue to fight against a
foregone conclusion and that foreign terrorists would seek to hold back
progress made in Iraq over the last five months," the official said.
Several senior policymakers, however, have said recently that they were not
totally prepared for what has occurred. On Sunday, for example, national
security adviser Condoleezza Rice was asked on CNN's "Late Edition" if
there could have been better planning for the postwar period. She
responded, "Obviously, there were things that were not foreseen. They have
now -- [and] are now being addressed."
Before the war, intelligence analysts also questioned whether the
administration would be able to achieve its goal of rapidly introducing
democracy in Iraq, according to administration and congressional officials.
Intelligence agencies reported that "any chance of achieving democracy was
predicated on long-term active U.S. and Western military, political and
economic involvement with the country," one administration official said.
On Feb. 26, the day Bush said in a speech that bringing democracy to Iraq
would help democratize other Arab countries, the State Department's Bureau
of Intelligence and Research completed a classified analysis that dismissed
the idea.
The State Department analysis reportedly stated that "liberal democracy
would be difficult to achieve" in Iraq and that "electoral democracy, were
it to emerge, could well be subject to exploitation by anti-American
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Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:31 AM
Subject: [CogLib] UDV Church likely to prevail in dispute over
hallucinogenic tea
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DENVER - A New Mexico church was handed a small victory yesterday when a
federal appeals court ruled its use of hallucinogenic tea was likely to
be protected under religious-freedom laws.
The 2-1 ruling by a three-judge panel of the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals in Denver, upheld a preliminary injunction against the U.S.
attorney general, the Drug Enforcement Administration and other
government agencies that sought to prohibit the tea's use.
The panel majority agreed with the U.S. District Court in New Mexicothat the Brazil-based O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal
church had "demonstrated a substantial likelihood of success" of winning
an exemption for sacramental use of the tea, which contains a drug
barred by the Controlled Substances Act.
Jeffrey Bronfman, president of the church, sued the Justice Department
alleging, among other claims, violations of the First Amendment and the
federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Bronfman sued after 30
gallons of hoasca tea were seized by U.S. Customs agents from his office
in Santa Fe, N.M. No one was arrested in the 1999 raid.
Hoasca tea, used in some religious ceremonies, is brewed from plants
found only in the Amazon River Basin.
The church originated in Brazil and its U.S. operations are based in
Santa Fe. About 130 people, many of them Brazilian citizens, are membersof the U.S. branch, according to court documents.----
Here's another case involving ayahuasca:
> From: "Margot" < plantlady@... >
> To: ayahuasca@...
>
> ... may I please direct everyone to www.divineassistance.net ? This
> is a site which deals with a current legal case involving a friend of mine
> and her husband who were busted by the DEA last summer for allegedly
> receiving my favorite sacrament for a Peruvian shaman for his use while in
> the U.S. The case is currently in the pre-trial motion stage. It was a
> very, very traumatic incident for my friends, Naomi (a healer) and Jimmy (an
> artist) and will continue to be emotionally and financially challenging
> until it reaches resolution, which may take years. Your good wishes and
> prayers are very much appreciated. We are working to make the site a source
> of general information as well, though it is still in the early stages of
> development.
>
> Love and blessings to all who hve chosen this path,
>
> Margot Willliams---------From:"Jamilah" <jamilah@...>
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun AM 09:53:38 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] dpa and legalizing crack
I note I haven't seen cannabis mentioned in the list of ibogaine detox
effective substances. Is there any personal experience or study regarding
this?
Just a question, new here...
Peace,
Jamilah----------From:"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun AM 11:19:41 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] dpa and legalizing crack
you mean, as in using ibogaine to "kick" marijuana?
I don't have personal experience with ibogaine, only with ibogaine
experienced folk, but everything I've so far seen seems to point to the two
being quite conducive to one another, not antagonistic.
I'd welcome any other perspective.
Peace,
Preston----------From:"Sara" <sara119@...>
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun AM 11:21:03 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:RE: [ibogaine] dpa and legalizing crack
Hello Jamilah,
At my house In the Netherlands Cannabis has become part of thedetoxification program for the last four years.
At the moment we have 19 strains of organically grown cannabis for
testing.
Take care,
Sara
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From:<crownofthorns@...>
Date:
2003/09/06 Sat PM 10:13:49 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] assistance required
You should pull them aside at the DPA conference and get their OK! :-
) If they're not busy smoking crack that is.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:13:36 -0700 HSLotsof@... wrote:
>
>In a message dated 9/6/03 10:55:28 PM, crownofthorns@...
>writes:
>
>>Howard when do we get to see the ibogaine dealers on every corner?
>;-
>>) :-) :-) :-)
>
>When the CIA gives the OK.
>
>Howard
>------------
From:eldot <eldot@...>
Date:
2003/09/06 Sat PM 09:12:52 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:[ibogaine] dpa and legalizing crack
http://www.drugpolicy.org
Show me where in their mission statement it says "we want to
legalize crack"
The DPA is for ending the "war on drugs" not legalizing crack. I
am really sick and tired of all the entheogen people and potheads
who adopt a holier then thou attitude how what they are doing is
ok and the poor sick "hard drug" users should be saved from
themselves.
The stereotypes of junkies as toothless unwashed losers are
promoted by most of the cannabis reform movement, medical
marijuana anything else you want to call it.
I don't see any of you doing anything except dividing into
factions and it is all the pot calling the kettle black.
End the war on drugs.
News for the potheads, junkies are no "sicker" then any of the
rest of you, or any of the "normal" people for that matter. How
about the right to human dignity for all humans instead of this
stereotyping.
More news is that while I don't have anything at all good to say
about Bush, the war on drugs got no better under Clinton. It's a
two party system. The libertarians, marijuana party, green party,
any party you want to call it, are not going to be winning any
presidential elections.-------------
From:Marc Scott Emery <marc@...>
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun PM 01:24:46 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:[ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
After treating 28 drug addicted patients with iboga over the last 12 months,
I have realized that virtually all my patients had very radical childhood
traumas relating to the absense of the male parent. Of the 28, all of them
were missing the biological father for all or much of their childhood. This
put them on a road to alienation, bad decision making, early hard drug use,
and over the years, their health and relationships have been unsteady and
unsatisfying. Many have come close to overdose death.
Pot users are not immersed in this lifestyle and are not of this experience.
The premise by eldot is incorrect.
Marc Emery
Iboga House
From:Marc Scott Emery <marc@...>
Date:
2003/09/07 Sun PM 08:36:04 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
This is a straw-man argument. It means you can think of a lifestyle more
dehumanizing than the one you have, but it hardly qualifies as a proof of a
healthy lifestyle:
>>>I'd rather be a junky than a straight, non-junky murderous
uncompassionate status-quo supporting sicko- though the murderous
uncompassionate sickos are the ones who get to be
President/cop/lawyer/politician/Enron board member/NYTimes reporter/soldier
with health coverage and other benefits.<<<<
----- Original Message -----
From: "Preston Peet" < ptpeet@... >
To: < ibogaine@... >
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
> Marc Emery wrote >Pot users are not immersed in this lifestyle and are not
> of this experience.<
>
> Hey there Marc,
> While I find your take on opiate addicts interesting, in that you've
> actually got experience with a set of addicts on which to base your
> conclusion, I can't say I find your sweeping assessment of pot users and
> opiate addicts to really be that scientific nor convincing at all.> I know way too many pot users who also had/have their share of fucked
up
> life experiences. I also know a fairly large number of opiate users AND
> addicts who so far as I know had idyllic lives and childhoods with both
> parents around for the entire time.
> As a user of both pot and opiates, I personally find eldot's premise
to
> be pretty much spot on. Of course, I can really only speak for myself, but
> it seems to me that by basing your view on just the 28 addicts you've
> treated over 12 months, I don't think that even you have the total
picture.
> Not nearly.
> Seems to me that were we to remove the criminalization and sterotyping
> of opiates and the users thereof, we'd remove a lot, if not most, of what
> turmoil can currently be caused by some forms of opiate use- speaking from
a
> legal, prescribed point of view of course.
> It really is amazing to me the difference in my own opiate use and
life
> nowadays, not having to worry about cops busting in and arresting me for
> using opiates, not having to worry about what I'm buying, not having to
> worry about "oh, am I gonna get caught using," not having to troll the
> streets day in night out for my medication, not having to worry about
> getting ripped off by hoodlums or beaten by unscrupulous dealers, or
beaten
> up by nasty bigoted street punks basing their violent prejudices on
> prohibitionistic claptrap. (It's ok in this day and age to be violent
> towards others, but heaven forbid we allow others to use opiates. This
seems
> to be a "normal, non-sick" point of view today- not saying that's your
> position at all- I'm just saying.) But I use opiates every single day, in
> fairly strong doses. Am I somehow less sick than streetbound heroin
junkies?
> (Well, actually, getting right down to it, yeah, maybe I am, but not
because
> of using opiates, but rather as a result of some of those aforementioned
> life experiences.)
> While I can relate to some if not most of the addicts you've
apparently
> experienced at Iboga House, I don't think of myself as more or less "sick"
> than anyone else I know- as a matter of fact, looking around the world
> today, at all the people who supposedly AREN'T using opiates but find
> nothing wrong with dropping bombs on foreigners and not supplying health
> care for all their fellow citizens, well, I'm a lot less sick than many
> "normal" non-druggy/opiate using types, even as physically battered and
> tattered as I am.
> I'd rather be a junky than a straight, non-junky murderous
> uncompassionate status-quo supporting sicko- though the murderous
> uncompassionate sickos are the ones who get to be
> President/cop/lawyer/politician/Enron board member/NYTimesreporter/soldier
> with health coverage and other benefits.
> It's interesting to me what constitutes to some people well balanced
> citizenship and what constitutes sick.
> Again, I'm not saying that's your view Marc, but it is the overarching
> view of society at large here in the US at least so far as I can see. And
> while this may not be your view, you do have some personal reasons for not
> caring for opiates, no? Besides, I think you're wrong Marc in assuming and
> flat out asserting that opiate addicts are "sicker" than anyone else
simply
> because of their opiate use.
> Anyway, thanks for listening. It's a beautiful day here in the
> Apple, and I'm sitting in front of my computer working. Hmmm.
> Wait a minute- a regular user of (LEGAL but STRONG) opiates being
> responsible and even clear headed? Is that possible? What gives!?
> (and on one more note, I can personally say that there have been times
where
> I've smoked some pot or other that left me pretty much incapable of doing
> any kind of work that involved clear thinking. As much as I love pot, it
can
> leave me feeling befuddled sometimes, as can opiates sometimes too but not
> in nearly the same way, personally speaking of course.)
> Peace,> Preston
>-----------------
From:HSLotsof@...
Date:
2003/09/08 Mon AM 11:27:34 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Re: [ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
Marc,
Your patient group is rather biased in favor of "childhood traumas relating
to the absense of the male parent." I mean in a statistical way. I might
suggest that in your screening process you intake some patients who had quite
stable family backgrounds. It would be interesting to see if there are
distinctions in ibogaine outcomes between the two groups.
Howard------------From:"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>
Date:
2003/09/08 Mon PM 12:52:27 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
>It means you can think of a lifestyle more
dehumanizing than the one you have, but it hardly qualifies as a proof of a
healthy lifestyle:<
I think it is a matter of perspective, yes indeed Marc, but I don't think
that makes it a strawman argument in the slightest, as am I not in the least
bit implying that all use equals abuse, of any substance legal or illegal at
all.
As I hope is obvious.
I am disagreeing with you that all heroin/opiate use is dehumanizing, or
equals "sickness" for sure.
I'm not at all in disagreement with you (I presume) that ibogaine should
be a legal option for those who wish not to use opiates and want to
stop/kick painlessly, in a way that apparently offers a lot more than simple
detox too for that matter.
Peace,
Preston
---------------From:Gamma <gammalyte9000@...>
Date:
2003/09/08 Mon PM 12:58:04 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:[ibogaine] those damn junkies
<rant>
a vast majority of the problems associated with addiction are thanks to
prohibition. (ok, understating the obvious) Add to that the history of covert
ops of flooding america's poor urban and rural communities with massive amounts
of narcotics in order to keep the "undesirables" (in the ruling elites eyes)
under control. Would be community leaders and voices of the people supressed by
the constant, uncontrolable urge for the next fix. This has been repeated
throughout history across the globe.
Unfortunatley (or fortunately, depending on if you're THE MAN) addiction knows
no boundaries. It doesn't matter if your father abandoned you at a young age or
not or if you sustained an injury where heavy narcotics become more than
prescribed by the doctor. The spirit of opium is a strong and seductive force
to reckon with, regardless of childhood trauma or the lack of. I've encountered
many addicts who came from wonderful families who just liked to get high and
got caught up in it.
But drugs are an integral part of a multi billion dollar indistry of the rehab
and prison system here in amerika. which results a very few people getting
actual help in treatment (bacause the odds are like less than 10-1 that you"fail") while many other addicts go on to repeated incarceration and forced
labor.
Its not the drugs (that are the problem), its the prohibition laws and
society's views of the "lowly evil" addict that are the problem.
decriminilization and de-stigmatization are a very large part of the solution.
</rant>
~dh
-------------From:Nik <goosebumpz2002@...>
Date:
2003/09/09 Tue AM 09:34:34 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] Junkies are sicker than normal
very good allison i had a semi normal childhood well anywasy my dad was there and i became an opiate user i dont like the word JUNKIE. i think it has alot to do with what you hold inside i have found that one stereotype thats true alot of the time NOT ALL but opiate users are usually very emotional people very vivid and wild imaginations thats just what i think. cuz i go to methadone clinic and i see the people that are there nthey are nice people not the murderers and robbers and con artist that everyone assimilates w/junkies but once they stop and let htere true self out they go through a change and become open and the ones that resort back to there old way of hiding there emotions and being cynical then of course life sucks and you might as well shoot dope cuz theres one thing that i leatrned from N.A. that helped and the saying is "you are only as sick as your secrets" and it is so true and the thing about allison and her friends thats so true but anyways i hope youi get to meet some more people of a wider part of the using population! cuz right now you couldnt pay me to know a person like you is dosing people you sound very close minded in a brooud sence but then again what do i know! your local tortus Turtle
Allison Senepart <aa.senepart@...> wrote:Sorry. can't agree with the radical childhood theory. Both my partner and I had perfectly fine childhoods with 2 parents, Mum and Dad and other siblings. I went to a private school which cost lots and had a good education, my partner went to a state boys school and did an apprenticeship in painting etc. We both worked and still work but its a struggle between hanging onto our house, mortgage, and paying bills cos we have spent so so much money on using opiates. We even grew our own poppies for a few years but that was even worse cos we just built up bigger tolerances cos we didn't have the money issues to slow us down. Got to the stage where we wanted to go to a party or bbq but had to go round the garden to get fixed first & then by the time we sorted it and got off nodding out we'd start doing the garden round all over again. Needless to say we didn't get very far. I think its more to do with your circle of friends or the places you put yourself. Its like a conditioning that if everyone you know does it, that makes it normal, at least in your own environment. Its only when you look outside that comfort zone that you realise that its different and other peoples don't share the same opinion...... Allison--------------From:"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>
Date:
2003/09/09 Tue AM 08:31:26 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>
Subject:Re: [ibogaine] dpa and legalizing crack
Allison wrote >Everyone must have such different body chemistry. So many
people love marijuana. It doesn't agree with me at all. <
Herein lies the key too I think Allison.
We all have different reactions to different drugs. (and to different
druggies too apparently)
Good luck too btw Allison on your kicking, if you'll please excuse my
lateness with the well wishing.
Peace,PrestonIF YOU WANT YR CONTACT ON THE NEW IBOGAINE POSTER, SET UP AN IBOGAINE DROP-IN CENTER TODAY!********************************************************************To get on the poster for 2004--"Mayday is Jay Day"--check yr contact info on the old list below, and add yr city to this New ListAlbany: Terry Phelan 518-436-7098Albuquerque: Cindy Giannini Cin_L_@... (505) 880-0666 Between 500 and 1000 participants in '02, no arrestsAshland: "Amber Leiter" <amleiter@...> 1528 Township Road 1153, Ashland, Ohio 44805.419-289-8810 419-207-8834Asheville: 828-254-4062 Mary Jane dazed_n_confused420@... PO Box 1661, Asheville, NC Org email: lilpunkbabe420@... We had close to 5,000 people come out and smoke up with us.Auckland: Albert Park. ph 09 302 52555 auckland@... www.norml.org.nz Chris Fowlie, NORML New Zealand, PO Box 3307, Shortland Street, Auckland, NZBoone: Joshua Nathan Simmons <js28918@...> 114 trivette's dr., boone, nc 28607Bratislava: hromi@... http://kyberia.sk 00420 776 126 587 Daniel Hromada, Haanova 44. Bratislava 851 04, Slovak RepublicBuenos Aires: daihatsu missminipimer@... www.mefis.to or miss olga summers olgasummers@... www. ligalais.com ARDA (011) 15 40289847 RADDUD (011) 46357820Nos juntaremos el 4 de mayo, 16 hs., a fumar uno en el planetario buenos aires.
Capetown: "greggoodwin" <greggoodwin@...> or "Marcus \(Home\)" <mt3825@...> 082 674 2299 100 people, mostly Rasta's, in '02.Christchurch: Blair Anderson <blair@...> Mild Green Media Centre ph: ++64 3 389-4065 025 2657219 Website pages.quicksilver.net.nz/blair Newsforum news://http://www.reddfish.co.nz/alcp see http://mildgreens.com/mmm2003.htm no arrests. police present but ignored. (you can see police cars in the background of some photos) 100's of joints thrown to the crowd. 100's of Cannabiscuits distributed. The bongs and chillums and hot knives were visible.. (see photo's) about 300 people over about 4 hours. Street march... "prohibition free zone declared". briefly mentioned on local news.Cincinnati: the Happy Hemptress <hemptress@...> 513-684-HEMPCleveland: John <OCannabisSociety@...> (216)521-9333 http://ohiocannbis.org 2,000 participants. No arrests.Dallas: Paula Matson 817-299-8447Darwin: mick lambe pariahnt@... or http://napnt.org napp biggpond <napnt@...> We are continually harassed by Police -- I'll forward this on to NAP as PARIAH are concentrating on other issues right now.Dayton: Sterling Albury 937-685-9148 graspinfinity@...Des Moines: iowanorml@... (515) 288-5798http://iowanorml.home.mchsi.com/ http://commonlink.com/~olsen/ ,mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/, http://www.iowanorml.org/http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/index.html ; or Terry Mitchell(515) 789-4442; 608 Dallas St., Dexter, Iowa 50070. 300 marchers, police friendly.Detroit: "Professor Hemp" <newagecitizen@...> 313-506-5724 or Dimitri 313-563-3192;<http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/detroit.htm>www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/detroit.htm Noon-5:00pm Grand Circus Park at Woodward & Adams. Two bands, speakers and "Shattered Lives" display. Ibogaine press conference at 2:30pm Sidewalk march at 4:20pm along WoodwardDover: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716 299 demonstrators, 8,000 spectators, cops watched and did nothing in '02.
Dublin: "Butler, Philip" <phillty2@...> +353 1 4163707 or<jday@...> http://www.cannabisireland.com/http://groups.yahoo.com/group//ie-cannabis/ 1,000 people in "02.Dunedin: The Octagon. dunedin@...Fayetteville, Arkansas; Rev. Tom Brown, revtombrown@... (479) 251-1780; First Church of the Magi, P.O.Box 2827, 72702; or Rev. Nancy Harris, nharris@... ; Sacred Truth Mission at (479) 582-4138Ft. Lauderdale: Chris Kenoyer 954-938-7231 Florida Chapter AAMC America Alliance For Medical Cannabis http://www.onlinepot.org The Complete Guide To Medical Marijuana Fort Laudedale/broward countyemail: floridaaamc@... More Secure Emails at onlinepot2@... - Or Normal Emails onlinepot2@...Halifax: 902 865-8606 Michael Patriquin <mpat@...>HempWorks, 93 Orchard Dr, Middle Sackville, Nova Scotia B4E 3B3Helsinki : Finnish Cannabis Association http://www.sky.org sky@... Finnish Cannabis Association, Sorvaajankatu 9 A, 00810 Helsinki, Finland 600 - 1000 people in '03, at least in the park. In the evening happening there were lots of bands but only some 300 people because of another happening for younger audience w. similar themes. Because there were demonstrations in 4 cities (Helsinki, Tampere, Turku, Oulu) in Finland, news coverage was good.TV 1 showed Helsinki demonstration in the main news cast 8.30 PM.Houston: Dean Farrell houstonnorml.org or info@... (281)752-9198.http://www.cultural-baggage.com c/o Dean Becker, 11215 Oak Spring, Houston, TX 77043 Total attendance was about 5 hundred in '02. Narc infiltrators mar event.Kansas City: <mohemp@...> http://www.mohemp.org David 816-678-7447, 'its abeautiful day' 3918 broadway, kansas city mo. 64111... 816 9316169.
Lansing: Kathy Kennedy 517-628-3915 or e-mail: "kathy kennedy"<prohibitionx@...> http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/lansing.htm Certified ASL interpretersLas Vegas: Stoner Club c/o Kimberly B. greatquests@... http://www.stonerclub.com Please contact me for ideas and more information. We are in the planning stages at this timeLevin: Kimberly Reserve. levin@...Mexico City: +5300 5774 email: helmcke@... or volgn@... or"Tato" foigras2002@... "Camello" cosmocamello@... "Asoc. Mexicana de Estudios Sobre el Cannabis" <amecamexico@...> Leopoldo RiveraRivera/AsociaciÛn Mexicana de Estudios sobre el Cannabis,Amapola # 35, col. Jardines del Molinito, Naucalpan, Estado deMÈxico. CP. 53530 MEXICO or Adolfo Prieto 1003, Col. del Valle,C.P. 03100, Mexico, D.F. or Samuel Martínez RamírezAv. Azcapotzalco #193-4 Col. Clavería Mexico D.F.www.vivecondrogas.com, www.amecamexico.org, www.hemp.com.mx Almost 300 people in '02.Minneapolis: Grassroots Party or Chris Wright <TCW@...> 612-522-5374. 400 folks, no arrests in '02.Montpelier: Rama Schneider <vtmmm@...> (802) 433-5441address: 1614 Gilbert Road, Williamstown, VT 05679http://www.ramabahama.net Several people handed out literature in '02.Napier: Marine Parade. hawkesbay@...Nashville: "Howie & Marivuana Leinoff" <torml@...> or marivuana@... (615)ACT-HIGH. http://www.marivuana.com http://www.punkenstein.com 150 marchers, no arrests; first tv coverage in '02.Newark: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716New Orleans : Daisy 504-957-HERB hemp.rox.com email:<NewOrleansMarch@...>New York City: Dana 212-677-7180 <dana@...> 7,000 participants in '02. 148 arrests.
Nimbin: Max Stone of the Australian Cannabis Law ReformMovement" aclrm@... ph: 61 0266 891842http://www.nimbinaustralia.com http://www.bigbongburgerbar.com/webshow/ 24,000 participants in '02. No arrests.Ogden: Happy Gorder happy04202003@... 801-603-4720 1065 Wall Ave (85A), Ogden, UT 84404Orlando: Kacie Grange Hiphiplady32@... (407)895-3492 or Anthony Lorenzo 1-888-210-0425 toll free pagerPaducah: Cher Ford-McCullough http://community-2.webtv.net/KYMMM2003/KentuckyMillion/ Postal: 65 Cabin Lane, Gilbertsvile, Ky. 42044 or Brian kymmm2003@... (270) 362-8186 50 marchers, 90 at rally, one undercover in '02.Paris: FARId GHEHIOUECHE farid@... 00 33 (0)6 148 156 79 ; 5, rue deTombouctou 75018 PARIS or CAM-RD 9, passage Dagorno 75020 PARIS.
Since 2001, PARIS is part of the Global march for Cannabis liberation bygathering all french cannabis legalizers in Bastille place, May 1st at 2:00 PM. Everyone andevery groups are welcome to organize their local events in order to increase thepressure for cannabis liberation around the world.Parkersburg: "Cindy Wimer" <indianbud@...> "Mountaineers for Medical Marijuana" 304-428-1726Philadelphia: "chuck palmer" <chuckp@...> 610-279-6358 100 participants, no arrests in '02.Prague: Michael "xChaos" Polak <mmmteam@...> Tel: +420 603 872631 / +420 2 33358050 http://www.legalizace.cz MMM 2003 was the smoothest,most "mainstream" legalization event.... 2000 people, almost zero interest from police... MMM looks more and more like regular festival, rather than political rally. However media coverage was good/neutral, and as usual, it seems politicians are more likely to talk about legalization after MMM attracts media. We publicly announced the list of 8 people imprisoned for cannabis only out of 10 million. But Vaclav Havel is no longer president; Havel used right to give amnesty to prisoners to virtually veto some laws, including cannabis possession.Portland: 2004 MMM Organizing Committee, c/o Oregon NORML, PO Box 16057, Portland, Or 97292 503.239.6110Madeline Martinez: yerbanena@... Steven M. Cooper: OrNorml.Secretary@...Raleigh-Durham: Bryan T. Moore <btm42@...> 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803 phone (919) 247-2644 or Chris Harris (919)368-5913 or "Jeff Badalucco"<nc_ca@...> 919-247-2644 238 124 S. Applewood Ct., Rocky Mount NC 27803Raleigh NC MMM will be held at the Capitol Building from 4-9pm on Saturday May 3rd.Rapid City: Bob Newland <newland@...> 605-255-4032 website: http://www.sodaknorml.org/ 300 marchers in '02. [Bob Newland, H C 89 Box 184A, Hermosa, SD 57744]Richmond: "Roy B. Scherer" <rscherer@...> (804)355-7612 [Roy B. Scherer, 8 North Sheppard St., Richmond VA, 23221] or S.L. Barker (RCHO) onelovedesignz@... [14106 Whirlaway Mews, Midlothian, VA 23112] Monroe ParkRosario: +54 - 341-4201291 or +54 - 341- 4642699 E-mail: raddud@... Corrientes 1307, 2000 - Rosario- ARGENTINA Nearly 400 participants in '02.Salt Lake City: Dr. Ken Larsen (801) 533-8658 < kencan@... > 856 E. 100 South (#2), Salt Lake City, UT 84102 or Ben Valdez 801-304-0303 hempower@... http:/ www.utahmmj.org 300 noisy marchers, no arrests.San Francisco: Hemp Evolution/Clark Sullivan http://hempevolution.org (415) 724-5081 "freeman sullivan" webmaster@... 4,000 participants in '02, no arrests.San Juan: Alejandro "Zen" Otero hempwierdzenie@... postal: 425 carr. 693 PMB 130 Dorado PR 00646-4802 Tel# 787-345-9036 Also: www.Earthdance.org earthdancepuertorico@...San Marcos: Joe Ptak: 512.754.0264 Email:kindradio@... Postal: 505 Patricia, SanMarcos, TX; 78666Spokane: Darren McCrea 509-998-3405 rcannabisclub.org 4807 N. Adams, Spokane, WA 99205St. Louis: 314-567-8522 gstlnorml@... or St. Louis Area NORML , PO Box 220243,St. Louis, MO 63122. http://www.gstlnorml.org 600 marched to the Arch for cannabis reform.Sturgeon Falls: Bro Michael Ethier 705 753-4756 maryhuanamike@... ..c/o Tarzan's Mission of the Sacred Herb,171 Queen Street, Sturgeon Falls, Ontario, Canada P2B 2G2Tampa: revolutionary_stoner@... or Kelly 813-389-8941 Over 100 participants in '02.Tokyo: Takao Bakuya (Cannabist) info@... +81-3-3706-6885 http://www.cannabist.org 1,200 participants in '03.Toronto: Larry Duprey (416)540-7829 fax(416)242-2635 or Toronto Area Association / Marijuana Party of Canada, 132 Dundas St. East, Toronto, On M5B 1E2 (416)367-3459 3-6,000 participants in '02. http://www.canadiancannabisawards.ca http://www.cannabisclub.ca
Traverse City: Melody Karr <fiddlefoot420@...>(231)885-2993 PO Box 524 Mesick, MI 49668. or 10954 Birch RoadMesick MI 49668. 70 marchers, hundreds of spectators in '02.http://www.geocities.com/legalizemichigan/traversecity.htmTucson: mary mackenzie <mmackenzie2@...> (520)323-2947 or 3400 east speedway, #118, tucson, arizona 85716 Over 200 participants in '02.Tupelo: Contact: Anita T. Mayfield Phone # 662-963-0775, E-mail: nita@...
Upper Lake, Ca.: Linda & Eddy Lepp"linda senti"<lisenti@...> 707-275-8879 Several hundred showed up, 140 new patients signed up. in "03.
Vancouver: David Malmo-Levine, <dagreenmachine@...> BCMarijuana Party Bookstore and Internet Broadcasting Center, 307West Hastings Tel. 604 682-1172 http://www.cannabisculture.com 2,000 marchers in '02.Wellington: Frank Kitts Park. wellington@...Wichita: Debby Moore, CEOHemp Industries of Kansas 2742 E. 2nd Wichita, Kansas, 67214 (316) 681 1743 debby@...; or c.a. riley, Kansas NORML 316.685.7869 ksnorml@... http://www.ksnorml.org Last year about thrity people met and marched through downtown Wichita. I will plan a cookout with speakers, but will certainly discourage any smoking of the herb cannabis.Wilmington: "Richard J. Schimelfenig" <rschimel@...> Delaware Cannabis Society, 63 Lawson Ave.Claymont, DE 19703 (302) 793-0716The following 2003 List consists of 231 cities [If you want to upload ANY of the following to the web, remember that [bracketed material] is private, and intended for internal information of this network only--so that Dana Larsen can send you a check and a box of CANNABIS CULTURE magazines, in other words. DON'T--DO NOT--PUT IT ON A WEBSITE] or may be accessed at http://www.cures-not-wars.org/cities.htm Another, no-longer active list follows the 2003 list below for regional organizers who want to follow-up and reactivate those cities for next year. An alternative, MMM Million Marijuana March, 236+ cities globally can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction :
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MMM. Million Marijuana March. 236+ cities globally.
Pro-capitalist, anti-corporatist, anti-Republicrat-drug-war-tyranny!
Pro-harm-reduction, and universal healthcare drug reform.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction
4.8% of Texas adults in jail, prison, probation, or parole!
Texas leads the world! Texas is 666 EVIL! ;)
Texas = state-sponsored drug-war terrorism! Please distribute.
Pro-capitalist, anti-corporatist, anti-Republicrat-drug-war-tyranny!
Pro-harm-reduction, and universal healthcare drug reform.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cannabisaction
4.8% of Texas adults in jail, prison, probation, or parole!
Texas leads the world! Texas is 666 EVIL! ;)
Texas = state-sponsored drug-war terrorism! Please distribute.
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