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From: "Dana Beal" <dana@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:14:12 -0400
Subject: [mayday] GMfCL 2003 #36: Bratislava Makes 45 Cities on the MMM Poster for 2004!
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So far, 44 Cities Have Signed up for 2004 .
MAYDAY IS JAY-DAY!
(Next year, the first Saturday of May falls on May 1)
albany
albuquerque
ashland
bratislava
buenos aires
capetown
cincinnati
cleveland
dallas
des moines
detroit
dover
dublin
eugene
flint
frankfurt
houston
kansas city
las vegas
lansing
mexico city
minneapolis
montpelier
nashville
new orleans
new york
nimbin
ogden
orlando
paducah
parkersburg
raleigh-durham
richmond
richmond
rosario
salt lake city
san juan
san marcos
tampa
toronto
traverse city
tucson
tupelo
vancouver
wichita
wilmington
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Date:
2003/08/17 Sun AM 12:03:34 CDT
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bratislava registration for million marijuanna march 2004
Hello, I would like to register Bratislava (capital city of Slovak
Republic) for MMM2004. This year was big success, so it's possible that
next year MMM will be 2 day long, Saturday and also Sunday.
My contact address is:
Daniel Hromada
Haanova 44
Bratislava 851 04
Slovak Republic
e-mail: hromi@...
web of event: mmm.kyberia.sk
i don't have a mobile phone yet, when i will have, i will send you the number
thank you!
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From:
"Randy Hencken" <randyhencken@...>
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri PM 01:24:47 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri PM 01:24:47 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
[ibogaine] GW Action Figure
"I have a question Mr. Resident Bush, as you go on the world in your fight
against evil, do you ever imagine yourself as a superhero?"
http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/2431939/ctid/17/place/aguc?_ts=y&ls=collect&_e=3f33b&_v=3F33B36BbbwYa39F5376D6BA&_ts=y
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Security Researchers Discover Huge Flaws in E-Voting System
from: http://eff.org/Activism/E-voting/20030723_eff_pr.php
San Francisco - In response to today's release of research about critical
security flaws in e-voting systems, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
urged immediate passage of e-voting legislation to prevent election fraud.
Security researchers at Johns Hopkins University and Rice University announced
today that they have discovered numerous serious security flaws in what they
believe is one of the leading e-voting systems in the country -- the Diebold
Electron Systems' e-voting terminal.
Among the security flaws discovered were several ways in which individual
voters could vote multiple times in a given election. The researchers also
uncovered methods permitting voters to "trick" the e-voting machines into
allowing them system administrator privileges or even terminating an election
before tallying all legitimate votes.
"EFF supports electronic voting, but this report indicates Diebold's e-voting
system isn't ready for prime time," said EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn, who
advised the security researchers. "This report describes how voters, election
officials, insiders at e-voting companies, and even custodians at election
locations could manipulate elections and defraud the public."
"Only with open review, vigorous security testing, and a voter verifiable paper
audit trail can the public have confidence that e-voting machines will provide
an actual accounting of the will of the people," said EFF Activist Ren Bucholz.
"We urge everyone who cares about democracy to support effective e-voting
legislation."
Concerned citizens can voice their support for Representative Holt's bill to
require open source e-voting systems and voter verifiable paper audit trails.
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U.S. Backs Florida's New Counterterrorism Database
'Matrix' Offers Law Agencies Faster Access to Americans' Personal Records
By Robert O'Harrow Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 6, 2003; Page A01
Police in Florida are creating a counterterrorism database designed to give law enforcement agencies around the country a powerful new tool to analyze billions of records about both criminals and ordinary Americans.
Organizers said the system, dubbed Matrix, enables investigators to find patterns and links among people and events faster than ever before, combining police records with commercially available collections of personal information about most American adults. It would let authorities, for instance, instantly find the name and address of every brown-haired owner of a red Ford pickup truck in a 20-mile radius of a suspicious event.
The state-level program, aided by federal funding, is poised to expand across the nation at a time when Congress has been sharply critical of similar data-driven systems on the federal level, such as a Pentagon plan for global surveillance and an air-passenger-screening system.
The Florida system is another example of the ongoing post-Sept. 11 debate about the proper balance between national security and individual privacy. Yesterday the District and the Department of Homeland Security announced plans to launch a pilot law enforcement data-sharing network that will include Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and New York.
Paul S. Cameron, president of Seisint Inc., the Boca Raton, Fla., company that developed the Matrix system and donated it to the state, said: "It is exactly how law enforcement worked yesterday, except it's extraordinarily faster. In this age of risks that appear immediately, you have to be able to respond immediately."
Some civil liberties groups fear Matrix will dramatically lower the threshold for government snooping because other systems don't allow searches of criminal and commercial records with such ease or speed.
"It's going to make fishing expeditions so much more convenient," said Ari Schwartz, associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit that monitors privacy issues. "There's going to be a push to use it for many different kinds of purposes."
The Justice Department has provided $4 million to expand the Matrix program nationally and will provide the computer network for information sharing among the states, according to documents and interviews. The Department of Homeland Security has pledged $8 million, state officials said.
At least 135 police agencies in the state have signed up for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement database service, which began operation more than a year ago. At least a dozen states -- including Pennsylvania, New York and Michigan -- said they want to add their records.
In some ways, Matrix resembles other data-driven counterterrorism initiatives started since the 2001 attacks. The Pentagon's controversial Terrorism Information Awareness program also sought to use personal data in new ways, but on a far larger scale. The idea, started by retired admiral John Poindexter, was to create a global data-surveillance system that might find subtle signs of imminent threats. Lawmakers sharply limited the program's funding several months ago, and now some intend to shut it down.
A Justice Department document from early this year describes Matrix as an effort "to increase and enhance the exchange of sensitive terrorism and other criminal activity information between local, state and federal law enforcement agencies." Matrix organizers met several times with Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), while he was head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, to discuss the system's development.
Matrix is short for Multistate Anti-Terrorism Information Exchange. The name was chosen somewhat whimsically by a Florida law enforcement officer, an agency official said. Florida officials say the system will be used only by authorized investigators under tight supervision. They said it includes information that has always been available to investigators but brings it together and enables police to access it with extraordinary speed.
Technical challenges include ensuring that data are accurate and that the system can be updated frequently.
Technical challenges include ensuring that data are accurate and that the system can be updated frequently.
"The power of this technology -- to take seemingly isolated bits of data and tie them together to get a clear picture in seconds -- is vital to strengthening our domestic security," said James "Tim" Moore, who was commissioner of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement until last month.
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<crownofthorns@...>
Date:
2003/08/07 Thu PM 07:34:08 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Re: [ibogaine] stanton peele
Jessica, I like Stanton Peele because I think it's very important that
there are articulate people who show different approaches then all the
12 step junk. But that is the only reason I like him. After reading his
books what I myself get out of it is that I do not think he has ever
been addicted to anything which makes the rest of what he writes maybe
not the most valid information.
Jessica, I like Stanton Peele because I think it's very important that
there are articulate people who show different approaches then all the
12 step junk. But that is the only reason I like him. After reading his
books what I myself get out of it is that I do not think he has ever
been addicted to anything which makes the rest of what he writes maybe
not the most valid information.
Don't get me wrong I don't think having once been addicted is the most
important thing ever, but it does help. Jack Trimpey from Rational Recovery
gives me the same sense as Peele. Someone who is full of themselves and
their main interest is tooting their own horn and selling their self
help books and tapes. Trimpey was a addict.
SMART is not like that. I think it's a better approach for people who
need group support but don't want the self defeating 12 step junk.
I like Patrick's writing too because I relate to so much of it. The main
reason I like the addiction articles is because he doesn't pretend to
offer the right answer to everything, available from him for only $199.95
for 6 audiotapes and a $50 book. He even included a positive 12 step
piece with Dave Hunter in the middle of it because he said he couldn't
write anything positive about the steps but agreed they helped some people
so he got someone else to do it. That is worth a lot of respect.
I've seen nearly nothing of his book except two chapters which I very
much enjoyed. Unless I'm totally offbase he's not writing anything about
recovery or what could be considered self help from drugs. He's writing
Naked Lunch on Acid 2003 ;-) And doing a amazing job of it. Right on
bro! I don't remember who first used that quote last year but saying
Patrick is what would happen if someone pushed William Burroughs into
a pool filled with LSD is exactly it :-) Right on bro, right on. Write
the truth and dump ibogaine right into the mainstream :-)
Please don't get me wrong, I think the 12 steps are a completely self
promoting scam who's main interest is making money for those involved
with selling treatment. I went through treatment so many times it makes
me sick to think how much it cost. I was working in dot com then, I had
insurance, I was not getting help at the homeless shelter I went through
Betty Ford 3 times. I never got better until I got away from all of those
people.
All I mean to say is I don't think Stanton Peele is any better. Stanton
Peele is interested in promoting Stanton Peele.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:47:04 -0700 " jessica_w@... " < jessica_w@... >
wrote:
>Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy
>it a lot. it's a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative
>and positive. Kudos.
>
>I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on
>heroin times. I've read a lot of your writing but I think this was
>the best series you did so far, you get your point across and say
>what is the experience of so many others including me! I never got
>better until I got away from the 12 steps and treatment. I haven't
>done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being addicted to
>crack for over 5.
>
>I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn't
>know what it led to I clicked the 'NA Kills' banner. Nice art! And
>then after reading through his web site found it was also full of
>information that I very much agreed with.
>
>I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine
>at least reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what
>other options exist.
>
>http://www.peele.net/
>
>I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America:
>How We Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince
>Us We Are Out of Control
>
>I havent' read all of Peele's books yet, but this one is great.
>Reprinted at the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews.
piece with Dave Hunter in the middle of it because he said he couldn't
write anything positive about the steps but agreed they helped some people
so he got someone else to do it. That is worth a lot of respect.
I've seen nearly nothing of his book except two chapters which I very
much enjoyed. Unless I'm totally offbase he's not writing anything about
recovery or what could be considered self help from drugs. He's writing
Naked Lunch on Acid 2003 ;-) And doing a amazing job of it. Right on
bro! I don't remember who first used that quote last year but saying
Patrick is what would happen if someone pushed William Burroughs into
a pool filled with LSD is exactly it :-) Right on bro, right on. Write
the truth and dump ibogaine right into the mainstream :-)
Please don't get me wrong, I think the 12 steps are a completely self
promoting scam who's main interest is making money for those involved
with selling treatment. I went through treatment so many times it makes
me sick to think how much it cost. I was working in dot com then, I had
insurance, I was not getting help at the homeless shelter I went through
Betty Ford 3 times. I never got better until I got away from all of those
people.
All I mean to say is I don't think Stanton Peele is any better. Stanton
Peele is interested in promoting Stanton Peele.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:47:04 -0700 " jessica_w@... " < jessica_w@... >
wrote:
>Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy
>it a lot. it's a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative
>and positive. Kudos.
>
>I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on
>heroin times. I've read a lot of your writing but I think this was
>the best series you did so far, you get your point across and say
>what is the experience of so many others including me! I never got
>better until I got away from the 12 steps and treatment. I haven't
>done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being addicted to
>crack for over 5.
>
>I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn't
>know what it led to I clicked the 'NA Kills' banner. Nice art! And
>then after reading through his web site found it was also full of
>information that I very much agreed with.
>
>I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine
>at least reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what
>other options exist.
>
>http://www.peele.net/
>
>I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America:
>How We Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince
>Us We Are Out of Control
>
>I havent' read all of Peele's books yet, but this one is great.
>Reprinted at the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews.
>
>Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there
>are so many of us who have experiences like yours and never got better
>until we got away from the 'treatment pimps' as you call them!
>
>reviews of the Stanton Peele book
>
>Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction
>has no basis in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement
>that is grossly ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how
>the recovery industry grew and recommends alternatives to the medicalization
>of addiction.
>
>A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction
>Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there
>are so many of us who have experiences like yours and never got better
>until we got away from the 'treatment pimps' as you call them!
>
>reviews of the Stanton Peele book
>
>Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction
>has no basis in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement
>that is grossly ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how
>the recovery industry grew and recommends alternatives to the medicalization
>of addiction.
>
>A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction
>Diseasing of America is a powerful and controversial rebuttal to
>the "addiction as disease model" that many vested interests-including
>doctors, counselors, psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-
>step programs that specialize in addiction treatment-don't want you
>to read.
>
>Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long
>to reprint here.
>
>Thanks all!
>jess
>
>the "addiction as disease model" that many vested interests-including
>doctors, counselors, psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-
>step programs that specialize in addiction treatment-don't want you
>to read.
>
>Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long
>to reprint here.
>
>Thanks all!
>jess
>
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From:
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Date:
2003/08/07 Thu PM 08:29:36 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
[ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Sorry mate, I've been reading this list for some time too and what I've
Sorry mate, I've been reading this list for some time too and what I've
found here is a very self selecting audience and more drug dealers then
any list I have ever been part of. We don't ship to the US wink wink.
Could it be the reason ibogaine isn't on every drug addicts mind because
it doesn't work any better then any other treatment? I hate to burst
anyone's bubble but the reports I read on this list are no better then
what one finds on the after any other detox listing.
The only difference is all of you are hooked on yourselves and psychedelic
drugs.
You Mr. Kroupa are a exception. There are always exceptions. What works
for you is never going to work for anyone else. If there is some other
person who cleaned up by going to bangkok and eating sheets of lsd, do
tell. I'd love to hear the results of that study. 99% death rate with
one success. You.
There is only one scientist I know about who is doing research with ibogaine
on human addicts and I think the results of Dr. Mash's research are that
selling ibogaine for insane prices to rich people is a good business.
If there is any other result I must have missed the cover story on every
magazine that there is a cure for addiction now.
Most of you on this list are exceptions to the norm. Even out of you
exceptions I don't think your long term success is better then any other
treatment and I don't think any real scientist is ever going to touch
any of this. What will the double blind placebo be, LSD?
For that matter out of the so called exceptions, how many of you are
there even? 5, 10? Most of what I read here is either newly detoxed fellows
who are struggling or heavy denial as is the case of persons who post
many long messages complete with the pharmacy of prescription drugs theyre
taking and explain how ibogaine saved their lives, usually in the same
sentence.
This leaves a very small group of very crazy persons ibogaine and ibogaine
alone worked for.
I've been reading about ibogaine for some time. All I see is this endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast. Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate detox.
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop writing books while
drunk.
any list I have ever been part of. We don't ship to the US wink wink.
Could it be the reason ibogaine isn't on every drug addicts mind because
it doesn't work any better then any other treatment? I hate to burst
anyone's bubble but the reports I read on this list are no better then
what one finds on the after any other detox listing.
The only difference is all of you are hooked on yourselves and psychedelic
drugs.
You Mr. Kroupa are a exception. There are always exceptions. What works
for you is never going to work for anyone else. If there is some other
person who cleaned up by going to bangkok and eating sheets of lsd, do
tell. I'd love to hear the results of that study. 99% death rate with
one success. You.
There is only one scientist I know about who is doing research with ibogaine
on human addicts and I think the results of Dr. Mash's research are that
selling ibogaine for insane prices to rich people is a good business.
If there is any other result I must have missed the cover story on every
magazine that there is a cure for addiction now.
Most of you on this list are exceptions to the norm. Even out of you
exceptions I don't think your long term success is better then any other
treatment and I don't think any real scientist is ever going to touch
any of this. What will the double blind placebo be, LSD?
For that matter out of the so called exceptions, how many of you are
there even? 5, 10? Most of what I read here is either newly detoxed fellows
who are struggling or heavy denial as is the case of persons who post
many long messages complete with the pharmacy of prescription drugs theyre
taking and explain how ibogaine saved their lives, usually in the same
sentence.
This leaves a very small group of very crazy persons ibogaine and ibogaine
alone worked for.
I've been reading about ibogaine for some time. All I see is this endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast. Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate detox.
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop writing books while
drunk.
My 2 cents
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From:
Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@...> Block Sender | Block Domain
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri AM 07:42:37 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@...> Block Sender | Block Domain
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri AM 07:42:37 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Re: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
> I've been reading about ibogaine for some time. All
> I see is this endless
> soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast.
Sorry to hear that you are blind.
> Ibogaine gets lost
> in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes
> for a interesting
> life but works no better then any other rapid opiate
> detox.
That statement shows very clearly how clueless you are
about ibogaine, likey many other things too. BTW, I
initially did ibogaine for coke and alcohol, amazing
how something no better than a "rapid opiate detox"
worked for that isn't it???
That is not what it is (a rapid opiate detox), maybe
in your mind it is but it isn't. Maybe you could get
yourself strung out, try the various treatments, go
back and do it with some other drugs and then after a
couple decades or so of trial and error (if you
survive), report back to the list with an opinion that
counts. That is basically what people like Patrick and
myself have done, our opinion means something cause we
initially did ibogaine for coke and alcohol, amazing
how something no better than a "rapid opiate detox"
worked for that isn't it???
That is not what it is (a rapid opiate detox), maybe
in your mind it is but it isn't. Maybe you could get
yourself strung out, try the various treatments, go
back and do it with some other drugs and then after a
couple decades or so of trial and error (if you
survive), report back to the list with an opinion that
counts. That is basically what people like Patrick and
myself have done, our opinion means something cause we
know something about the subject from personal
experience (ibogaine and addiction) not just reading
about it in books. No matter who you are and what you
read you are unlikely to have a good understanding of
what ibogaine does or is unless you do it, otherwise
you are no better than some kid green behind the ears
who thinks he knows all about sex from reading books.
Have you ever done ibogaine? Of course I know the
answer to that, that one is easy cause you are
clueless about what it is and does. Maybe if that is
experience (ibogaine and addiction) not just reading
about it in books. No matter who you are and what you
read you are unlikely to have a good understanding of
what ibogaine does or is unless you do it, otherwise
you are no better than some kid green behind the ears
who thinks he knows all about sex from reading books.
Have you ever done ibogaine? Of course I know the
answer to that, that one is easy cause you are
clueless about what it is and does. Maybe if that is
all you see it is like watching (porn or maybe a soap
opera) or reading about sex, love and relationships
opera) or reading about sex, love and relationships
and thinking you have an understanding of it, you
don't, not even a clue.
"> My 2 cents"
It ain't even worth that dude.
Brett
don't, not even a clue.
"> My 2 cents"
It ain't even worth that dude.
Brett
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From:
deartheo@...
Date:
2003/08/07 Thu PM 08:01:30 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
2003/08/07 Thu PM 08:01:30 CDT
To:
ibogaine@...
Subject:
Re: [ibogaine] 12 step complete story?
I was in NA for 3 years for poly-drug use (all except opiates), i "sponsered"
more then 5 people, and listened and learned from others experience. 12 step
programs teach that marijuana and heroin and in fact all drugs are the same,
it's not the drug it's the compulsion behind it they say. In my own experince
at least 90% of those i've met in NA are speed addicts. Because they didn't
want 'pot head's' to feel like s/he hasn't 'hit their bottom', they hid the
fact that opiates make you physically sick. All drugs aren't the same. It has
taken me 7 years to finally recover from becoming a physical dependent junkie.
I do not consider myself an addict. To me an addict is someone who can't own a
cappachino machine because they will drink 15 cups in an hour (this happened at
the 12 step group i attended), "i don't care what it is, just give me allot".
I feel i unlearned that behavier during my 3 years at NA, but i feel into a far
worse opiate trap because i believed i was well informed and i thought heroin
would be like coke, something i had been able to do once a year or 2 years and
not even think about it when it wasn't around....i wrongfully assummed that i
would be able to do the same with heroin, i was wrong.
I took my first iboga (root bark--4,200 was the dose) treatment july03 for 263
ml of methadone per day for over 4 years, and plan (if i can raise the $$) to
take a 2nd dose at the beginning of Sept.
I am positive that if i had tried to kick cold-turkey without iboga i would
have been broken by now.
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From:
"Preston Peet" <ptpeet@...>
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri AM 11:15:51 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>, <fakeplacebo@...>
Subject:
Date:
2003/08/08 Fri AM 11:15:51 CDT
To:
<ibogaine@...>, <fakeplacebo@...>
Subject:
Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Hey M Izgi,
I'm sorry that I can't offer you any free ibogaine, nor even any info on
how to get it free or not so free, but I can write to say that I have been
where you are, more than once, believe me. I've felt exactly that pain and
misery you've expressed in this note to the ibogaine list.
I'm still here though, even though I still, to this day, sometimes feel
as you seem to, even off methadone for about 3 years and coke and heroin for
6 now. I still use some legal, prescribed opiates, for a very serious pain
problem, but now I'm lucky in that I make just enough money to pay for the
prescriptions, (though just barely because we in the US have zero health
coverage, and I've no insurance- which is why I sometimes still feel as
you've mentioned you feel now).
I'm sorry, I'm babbling here.
My point in writing you is just to let you know that at least one person
who's read your note is thinking good, strong, positive thoughts in your
direction, and though I'm sure you'd prefer money or good advice, I can at
least offer you my empathy.
I hope it helps you to know that I went through years and years of hard
core, living in the streets drug abuse/addiction, and felt many, many times
that I wasn't ever going to get off the drugs and should therefore just kill
myself (and tried a few times to do so too, unsuccessfully obviously) - but
managed to finally get myself into a position where I am stable now. It is
possible, even for the very worst cases- at least taking my own case into
consideration.
Just to let you know where I'm coming from, you can go to the following
link and read any of the stories listed there- they are from a book by me
that describes in vivid detail the kind of life I managed to escape. I send
the link to try to supply you some hope. It's possible to escape that
lifestyle, really, it is, as difficult it as it can seem sometimes.
Something in the War by Preston Peet
http://www.drugwar.com/somethingintheway.shtm
Peace and respect,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@...
Editor http://www.DrugWar.com
----- Original Message -----
From: < fakeplacebo@... >
direction, and though I'm sure you'd prefer money or good advice, I can at
least offer you my empathy.
I hope it helps you to know that I went through years and years of hard
core, living in the streets drug abuse/addiction, and felt many, many times
that I wasn't ever going to get off the drugs and should therefore just kill
myself (and tried a few times to do so too, unsuccessfully obviously) - but
managed to finally get myself into a position where I am stable now. It is
possible, even for the very worst cases- at least taking my own case into
consideration.
Just to let you know where I'm coming from, you can go to the following
link and read any of the stories listed there- they are from a book by me
that describes in vivid detail the kind of life I managed to escape. I send
the link to try to supply you some hope. It's possible to escape that
lifestyle, really, it is, as difficult it as it can seem sometimes.
Something in the War by Preston Peet
http://www.drugwar.com/somethingintheway.shtm
Peace and respect,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@...
Editor http://www.DrugWar.com
----- Original Message -----
From: < fakeplacebo@... >
To: < ibogaine@... >
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
> Dear Friends in the group,
> A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I'm still thinking and wishing
> to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
> guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As
usual;
> no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good
advices,
> At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I'm living in Turkey
> Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
> Dear Friends in the group,
> A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I'm still thinking and wishing
> to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
> guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As
usual;
> no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good
advices,
> At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I'm living in Turkey
> Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways
(rapid
> detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn't worked on me,
> already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon,
ibogain,
> etc... But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps
you
> that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
> chance) to quit drugs. But I can't administrate ibogain teratment cause of
> money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
>
> Best Regards
> M Izgi
>
>
> detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn't worked on me,
> already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon,
ibogain,
> etc... But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps
you
> that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
> chance) to quit drugs. But I can't administrate ibogain teratment cause of
> money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
>
> Best Regards
> M Izgi
>
>
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