Hey, Daddybob, you wrote:
------------------------------------------------
Check this link out:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/misc/spiral/energizer.htm

I actually own the device pictured there, except it is now housed in a
cabinet. It is a spark gap device. The specs on the schematic on that site
are not the same as the components of the actual device pictured. The device
pictured, and as I own it, is much stronger.
------------------------------------------------
My situation is this: we have a very much-loved young cat (3 years old!) who recently tested positive for feline leukemia. Of course, the doctors say there is no cure for this, and that it is always fatal. Well we know better, right?!?! Traditional treatment in our group here would be to either connect the godzilla to copper plates in dishes, filled with a water/sea salt solution, or similar. Then try to get a cat to stand in water for the treatment duration. YEAH, RIGHT! ;-) A cat stnd in WATER??? A dofg might be coersed into doing that but NOT a cat! Or shave their inner thigh and put the electrodes across the femoral artery, and hold them there for the treatment. Again, this is gonna be REALLY DIFFICULT to do, most cats just DON'T sit still, especially if the unit tingles or causes any sensation whatsoever! And stress is especially bad for a cat with feline leukemia.

OK, my question to you is, do you have up to date specs on the unit you actually own? I figure it'll be much easier to use that than a conductive type system like we usually do. And I have a time constraint here, the kitty is losing weight and is anemic already. SO I want to get this built or bought, or whatever is needed PRONTO!!! But I don't want to find out later that it used an inferior design, so my question is can/will you help? Feel free to email me off-forum if this will bother anyone, whatever helps speed this along!

Hoping for an ANSWER!

Ken Curtis
Information Systems Support Specialist
Division of Management Services, Information Resource Management
State of Delaware
Phone: (302)255-9779, FAX: (302)255-4426
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"Some men see the world as it is and ask why; others see the world as it might be and ask why not."  George Bernard Shaw

Healing power of electricity raises hope of new treatments

Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday July 27, 2006

Guardian
Scientists have found how the body harnesses the power of electricity to heal
cuts and grazes - an effect they manipulated to speed up wound healing
dramatically.

In what amounts to the modern rediscovery of an old medical curiosity, the
finding raises hopes for revolutionary treatments to patch up injured patients
in hours instead of days.

In preliminary lab tests, researchers showed that by controlling the weak
electrical fields that arise naturally at wound sites, they could direct cells
to
either close or open up a wound at the flick of a switch. By making the cells
move faster, they were able to speed up wound healing by 50%.

The role of electricity in wound healing has received scant attention from the
scientific community since the German physiologist Emil Du Bois-Reymond
cut his arm and measured the electrical field across the wound in the mid-
1800s. But in the journal Nature today, an international team of scientists led
by Aberdeen University not only confirms the effect but also unravels the
genetic machinery behind it.

Using sheets of skin in dishes, Min Zhao and Colin McCaig show that
electricity flows from the edges of a wound as soon as an incision is made.
The current is triggered by positively charged sodium ions coursing through
the tissue in one direction and an opposing rush of negatively charged
chloride ions, together creating a voltage across the wound about 15 times
weaker than an AA battery.

"These natural signals are instantaneous. The moment you make a wound,
there's an electrical signal at the wound edge and it lasts as long as it takes
the wound to heal up," said Professor McCaig.

Further tests showed epithelial cells, the building blocks of skin tissue,
sensed
and followed electric fields towards the wound site using two molecular
structures, or receptors. One mobilises cells to creep in the direction of the
electric field, while the other shuts down any signals that threaten to send the
cell off course.

"They're stimulated to move, but they're also told where to find the centre of
the wound, so these electrical signals are telling cells, 'get charging, get
yourself in there'," Prof McCaig said.

The charge itself is far from rapid. Measurements of individual cells show they
encroach on the wound at a speed of 50 micrometres an hour, the equivalent
of just over one millimetre a day.

But tests on tissues and genetically modified mice show the healing
mechanism can be speeded up by 50% by subjecting wounds to electrical
fields or drugs such as prostaglandins that can boost the ability of cells to
shunt ions around.

"We can increase the natural electrical signals using a variety of chemicals
we'd apply to wounds, and by doing that we can get faster healing. What
amazes me is that this has been relatively neglected for such a long time,"
said Prof McCaig.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006

It's been well over a week now, but I did miss two nights; one night I fell
into bed exhausted and forgot, another night a wire broke*.

Still using CS/MSM as a wetting agent, there has been absolutely no itch.

As for whether or not this exceedingly low dose of electricity is doing
anything, that's still a guess.

*I've always had a disconnect in my lines so I could get to the bathroom
without carrying the unit around. Last night when I went to fix this wire, I
was out of my usual connectors. Scrounging at 10 PM for something available
and simple, I spied some leftover 9V battery connectors. Two of them work
great and snap apart and back together fairly easily. Being paid for was the
best part.

DaddyBob

(For those of you on the Crock_Lakhovsky group, I am simultaneously
experimenting with Beck Blood Electrification again, which I used 4 years
ago to defeat this stuff, but have developed serious sensitivity problems
since. I am experimenting with different electrode types and wetting agents
to see if I can overcome the sensitivity. This time around, because of my
sensitivity, I have not been able to use this therapy enough to make a dent
in this condition...)

Two nights now, Sunday and Monday, Carbon Fiber Electrodes, all same
settings as before, am getting .23 milliamps at 6 volts, two hours, and used
Mesosilver and MSM as a wetting agent.

After two days, no itch, but it will take a week or more to be sure about
this.

Daddybob

John Terry wrote (at MEGK2):

>If this is not a viable solution for you - then why not try
a small fast-pulsing magnet?...<



Hey John-

Check this link out:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/misc/spiral/energizer.htm

I actually own the device pictured there, except it is now housed in a
cabinet. It is a spark gap device. The specs on the schematic on that site
are not the same as the components of the actual device pictured. The device
pictured, and as I own it, is much stronger.

It is not a magnetic pulsing device in the strict sense, but does put out
quite a magnetic field. Some call it a simple MWO, but some object to that
comparison. I am unqualified to say, knowing only that it does me a LOT of
good.

The original coil antenna was what I used for about two months, until "Dr.
Bill" and I replaced it with a new design, smaller diameter tubing, smaller
outer diameter, more tightly wound. It was after replacing that antenna and
regularly using the device that this disease realy began to exit my body,
especially my left hip, and went to my left shin, in a nearly identical
manner as what happened to me four years ago after a myelogram.

Since I killed off most of that disease 4 years ago with Beck Blood
Electrification, that's what I went to first this time when it came to my
skin again. Unfortunately, as I've documented here (MEGK2 group), I am less
successful at it this time around.

But- your suggestion is not lost on me. Just a few days ago it came to me,
such a simple idea lost in my jungle of a brain- "If that machine is what is
running it out of my hip, then use that same machine to keep it running
around until it dies from exhaustion!" So I started directly exposing my
shin to the antenna, in addition to my hip, neck and back, but I'm
concentrating 5-10 minutes daily on the shin area. (I'm going back to my
Fireant analogy here- if you disturb the mound every day the colony will
collapse from the effort of moving; in effect, you worry them to death.)

At this point anything I say about results would be wishful thinking, but I
do think it is less red this morning. As fast as that therapy works, I
should know something in a few days. I am using Benadryl to stop itching and
scratching in the meantime.

I am cross posting this to the Crock Device group, where I intend to
incorporate the theories of Lakhovsky into the discussion. Any member here
who is not a member there is invited to join, as it will go rapidly off
topic on this group, and I do not wish to confuse anyone.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crockdevice/

BTW, I finished the carbon fiber electrode wrist strap last night and hope
to remember to use it tonight.

Thanks, Daddybob

yes, this is it, and you are giving the instructions. :)
Sort of illegal to advise people to use things on their bodies that are
not fda-approved. second part of problem is everyone wants someone else
to do everything, net result, nothing gets done and everyone keeps
asking. :)
bG
--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "L. Morton"
<lmrosaries@...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a website that gives instructions? Lisa
>
>
>
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yes, this is it, and you are giving the instructions. :)
Sort of illegal to advise people to use things on their bodies that are
not fda-approved. second part of problem is everyone wants someone else
to do everything, net result, nothing gets done and everyone keeps
asking. :)
bG
--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "L. Morton"
<lmrosaries@...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a website that gives instructions? Lisa
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different.
Just radically better.
>

yes, this is it, and you are giving the instructions.  :)
Sort of illegal to advise people to use things on their bodies that are
not fda-approved. second part of problem is everyone wants someone else
to do everything, net result, nothing gets done and everyone keeps
asking.  :)
bG
--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "L. Morton"
<lmrosaries@...> wrote:
>
>>    Is there a website that gives instructions? Lisa
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Sneak preview the  all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different.
Just radically better.
>

The CS & MSM as a wetting agent still let me itch, right on cue at 5 pm the
next day (Wed, after doing it Tues night) but it doesn't prove anything
since the electrodes are already contaminated with salt. I only have one set
of fresh uncontaminated electrodes, the carbon fiber ones that John sent me.
Tonight I started gluing together a new wrist strap and should have that all
done tomorrow. Hope to use it by maybe tomorrow or Saturday night. I won't
electrify again until then so the wrist should not be irritated at all.

Daddybob

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OK, Everything that I did to this stuff did cause it to disperse all over my
left leg and start to die off. I stopped all treatments for a few days to
see what would happen. Just as I suspected, it began to regroup right on
front, right on the outside of my shinbone where it prefers to be, but less
intense than it was before.

  The problem is that doing all the things I'm doing also causes all kinds of
other problems: DRY SKIN being one of the worst. It gets to where I'm not
sure if I'm scratching the condition or the dry skin.

I've had to stop the use of the electrodes at wrist and foot because it
began to cause numbness in my toes.

Also, the itch problems from wrist electrification continue. I'm still going
to try those carbon fiber electrodes, but first I'm trying a new tack on
electrode wetting agent. I already know I itch from any combination of
saline, baking soda or glycerin. Last night I tried using the mixture that I
put into my eyes everynight: Mesosilver (Frank Key's true particulate
colloidal silver) plus MSM. We'll see how that works.

In keeping with Lakovsky's ideas, I wrapped my lower leg for several nights
with 11' of 1/8" copper tubing. I have no idea why but it gave me enormous
relief. Nevertheless, it had to be wrapped tightly and eventually caused
some numbness in the toes from restricted circulation, so I've had to stop
that for a while.

Just in case it was the copper itself that gave me that relief, I have made
and am again using colloidal copper rubbed on the leg. So far I can see no
detriment, but I can't tell if it's doing any good either.

Daddybob

Good to hear you got rid of it.

bG

--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "ransley"
<ransley@...> wrote:
>
> I've got to go out of town for 3 days. This crap on my leg is almost
gone. I
> don't know how I killed it since I did so much. I'll report later.
> Daddybob
>

I've got to go out of town for 3 days. This crap on my leg is almost gone. I
don't know how I killed it since I did so much. I'll report later.
Daddybob

I've just finished the prototype for a pair of gloves that use 5
electrodes on each hand.  One glove is positive, the other negative.
They can be applied to the body much like "laying on of hands".

The idea is to allow a really custom fit for various areas of the
body, plus reduce application times via the numerous electrodes.  A
normal time of 30 minutes with the device of yesterday would be
reduced to 6 minutes with the gloves.

It also allows really fast treating of lymph nodes and other organs
by simply placing the gloves in position over the organs, and simply
holding the, moving slightly every minute or so for a few minutes.

The device is in the Photos section of the group website page:
microelectricitygermkiller.

This is a new thing, so we dont' quite know what will happen with
it.  I've been looking for something to test on various internal,
systemic illness.  Hopefully this can help.

It's a bit of labor to make these, but they should last forever,
since the application times are so short.

The only materials you need to make these things are:
6 volt lantern battery from most drug/supermarket stores
cotton cloth
cloth gloves
extension cord or similar wire
black electrical tape
2 safety pins of average size
hot glue gun or Shoe Goo, or other waterproof glue
spool of thread, preferably carpet/buttonhole or other strong stuff

enjoy!!!  I really love this device, but we have to prove it out in
practice, so please report back results to the group.

bG

Joe- thanks for the advice. As to your puzzlement, here goes...

First, I am not giving up wrist electrification, but I've had to take a
break again. Even at such low voltage and current, I'm developing
sensitivity.

Second, I have had to give up electrifying my left leg; after careful
observation, it has become apparent that it is actually CAUSING me to itch
more there too. The skin condition is bad enough, my skin is getting in bad
shape from all this, and I now must turn elsewhere for relief.

I've used the heatlamp all I can stand as well- it has overdried my skin and
is simply running this stuff around in circles.

The next part goes OT for this group, so I won't overload it here.

This all started after my use of the the Frank Key/ Dr. Bill Spiral Coil
Energizer. The very first time I aimed that thing at my left hip, I began to
get enormous relief. Last summer my left hip was so painful, one day I
thought I would collapse in WalMart in front of God and everybody.

The first incarnation of the machine gave me great relief, but when we
replaced the spiral coil with a new design, things really went into high
gear. I have now easily killed two colds with that machine. I took the
original spiral copper tubing coil, now unpowered, and started sleeping on
it. I will interject here that to the engineering or rational mind, it makes
no sense whatsoever that a copper tubing coil should do anything by itself.
Nevertheless, the exodus of this disease from my left hip to my left shin
really started moving.

Now after many treatments, the irritation nearly surrounds the outside of my
lower left leg.
It is driving me to distraction. Three days ago I got the idea to wrap 1/8"
dead soft copper tubing around my leg and sleep that way. It gave immediate
and visible results in terms of lessening the irritation. Two nights ago I
deciced to try a 4'length of it since the 7' lenmgth was a lot of trouble to
arap on at night. Results did come but not as impressive. Last night I
wrapped both coils around my leg and today it is really much better.

The next experiments will be:

1. Althought I'm fully convinced that copper tubing does something (BTW,
this is how Lakhovsky started, so I've been told) what if my results are
simply coming from copper being in contact with the skin? Making and using
colloidal copper externally should prove or disprove that.

2. If the effect is actually being caused by a subtle field generated from
copper tubing, then can that field be strenghtened/augmented by electricity
without detriment to the skin?

The answer to 2 is in two parts:

A. The simplest way is to treat it like a Crock Device, hook it up to my
already existing device circuitry, except it's hooked to a coil around my
leg instead of a screen.

B. Use it with plus and minus electrical poles hooked to each end either in
constant or pulsing fashion. It seems to me that if this is done, I should
cover the tubing in medical tape to avoid shorting it against the skin.

All of this may never prove a thing about what works or what doesn't. It's
too late for that now, I have got to fix this problem as fast as possible.

Last thing, according to Jim Meissner, the magic length for a copper coil is
10'-2" (3m+99mm). I have determined that it is actually easier to keep a
coil this long in place on my leg than any shorter one. I have just called
my auto parts store to cut 11' of it for me; I'll do the fine measuring at
home.

All for now, Daddybob

--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "ransley"
<ransley@...> wrote:
>
> I'm on to a new experiment with copper tubing coils.
>
> If I want to hook up a 6 volt lantern battery to 4' of 1/8" copper
tubing,
> how low do I need to choke it down with a resistor to get a current
that
> won't rapidly kill the battery over a 6-8 hour period, and won't
produce any
> appreciable heat?


Am  unable  to  get  an  exact  equivalent  for  a  standard  wire
size  from  the  above  data.  Best  guess  is  it's  a  #  12  or
#10  AWG;   assuming  #12 -  629  ft / ohm  so  4 ft  is  very
negligable  re  the  limit  resistor.

Just  find  what  you  like  without  it;  no  change  needed  to
add  the  tube,  won't  cause  any  detectable  heating  due  to
the  about  .006  ohms  added.

Am  puzzled  re  what  you  expect  this  change  to  do  for  you.

Joe.



>
> In short, I wish to create a very minimal field, not feel any heat,
and not
> waste bookoo dollars on batteries.
>
> I already know that a 6 volt lantern battery puts out about 4.5
amps, and a
> 4.7K resistor chokes it to about 1.3 milliamps, so lets start from
there.
>
> I also don't want to use a wall wart to do this, at least not yet.
>
> Daddybob
>

Yesterday morning I finally had a little itch on my right wrist. Just a drop
of Benadryl gel stopped it.

Garnet- if you joined this group- THANKS for the Benadryl advice! Way better
than Cortisone creams.

Last night I did the left wrist. This morning- a little itch, one drop of
Benadryl.

I guess I was wrong about the 6v healing the itch altogether, but it sure is
a lot less itchy.

Daddybob

I'm on to a new experiment with copper tubing coils.

If I want to hook up a 6 volt lantern battery to 4' of 1/8" copper tubing,
how low do I need to choke it down with a resistor to get a current that
won't rapidly kill the battery over a 6-8 hour period, and won't produce any
appreciable heat?

In short, I wish to create a very minimal field, not feel any heat, and not
waste bookoo dollars on batteries.

I already know that a 6 volt lantern battery puts out about 4.5 amps, and a
4.7K resistor chokes it to about 1.3 milliamps, so lets start from there.

I also don't want to use a wall wart to do this, at least not yet.

Daddybob

The  active  ingredient  in  this  whole  process  is:  CURRENT ! !

IT  DOESN'T  REALLY  MAKE  A  DAMN  HOW  YOU  GET  IT ! ! !.   Ohm's
law  reigns -  NO  EXCEPTIONS.

V = I x R     INCREASE  V  REQUIRES  INCREASED  R  TO  KEEP  I
CONSTANT.

ONCE  YOU  DECIDE  HOW  MUCH  CURRENT  YOU  NEED -  THE  ONLY  OTHER
CONSIDERATION  IS  WHAT  AMPERE  HOUR  RATING  YOUR  BATTERY  HAS -
SO  YOU  CAN  ENSURE  THE  VOLTAGE  STAYS  THE  SAME  FOR  THE
TREATMENT  DURATION.   A  6 V  lantern  battery  can  do  the  job
for  ANY  pads  you  choose.   Secondarily -  bigger  ampere  hours
is  usually  better  since  it  lasts  longer -  unless  small  is
important  for  portability.   Also -  higher  voltage  usually
means  more  cost  for  the  same  result.

IF  YOU  USE  4 -   9 V  BATTERIES  IN  SERIES  TO  GET  36 V -
EACH  HAS  TO  SUPPLY  THE  SAME  CURRENT -  SO  THERE  WILL  BE
ZERO  LIFE  IMPROVEMENT  OVER  A  SINGLE  9 V  BATTERY -  JUST
INCREASED  SHOCK  RISK  &  4 x  the  expense.

Joe.

--- In microelectricitygermkiller2@yahoogroups.com, "ransley"
<ransley@...> wrote:
>
> Renee wrote
> >DB, I've been having this discussion with a person on another list
who
> thinks that the 6volt isn't strong enough to run a virus killing
current
> through any length in the body, or much of a thickness, such as
front to
> back torso. That it's good for only mouth or smaller areas like
wrists. I
> know you have very sensitive skin, but do you feel like the current
IS
> running enough from foot all the way to the knee to actually be
doing
> something, like killing virus or is it just chasing it around? Or
are you
> using something besides the 6v? I know you said 6v but then you are
also
> adding a resistor which is cutting down the current even more, so
I'm not
> sure if it's just a 6 volt lantern battery or something else that
also uses
> 6v from some other type of battery. Is this due to your
sensitivity? Is the
> plain old 6volt strong enough to do "major" healings? I have only
had the
> opportunity" to use my 6v on some bites and stings and I closed my
wound,
> but again the person is saying the wound closed because it was a
short
> sensitive area, and not like using the 6v on something like, say,
hep. C.
> Any thoughts? I thought I had it all figured out that the 6v was
good
> enough for anything, but now I have doubts because the other person
is
> pretty adamant that it's not strong enough. <
>
>
> Hey Renee,
>
> First thing I don't want to do is get in an argument, since I
freely admit
> that this is all trial and error and very subjective.
>
> Second thing: INDIVIDUAL PHYSIOLOGY RULES. My wife can eat raw
cucumbers but
> not raw onions; I am exactly the opposite. She and our youngest
daughter can
> take 36v current on the wrists just fine. I and our oldest daughter
cannot
> take 36 volts on the wrists.
>
> I am using a 6 volt non-alkaline Radio Shack lantern battery when I
use the
> footpad and pipe rig on the leg.
>
> I am using a 6 volt alkaline Duracell lantern battery for my wrist.
>
> As to whether or not 6 volts will penetrate the body (setting aside
the
> question of killing microbes) I can assure you that for ME, your
friend is
> wrong. The reason I use a limiting resistor is because the first
time I
> tried this with full strength 6vdc, about 4 amps, it nearly twisted
my leg
> in a knot after about 10 minutes. Even at 4.7 K ohms resistance,
about 1
> milliamp of current, it can cause calf muscle spasms; I had not
reported
> that because it just happened last night.
>
> Keep in mind that a couple of nights ago I saw sparks on my battery
posts
> when I changed the polarity. If that ain't electricity coming
through my
> leg, I don't know what is.
>
> Will 6 volts penetrate thick areas of the body? Apparently your
friend never
> grabbed hold of an old 6 volt car battery. They are rare these
days, but
> they weren't rare in my youth. Let me assure you it will jolt you
good if
> the amperage is high enough.
>
> Will it kill microbes? I don't know. I would say time will tell but
> truthfully I won't be able to prove a thing. It's not proof I'm
after, it's
> results that satisfy my needs.
>
> About 6 vdc closing your wound- now that is interesting- remember I
said
> that I think that 6 volts may actually be healing my right wrist-
and that
> my left wrist still itches and has  red spot- and that I'm still
too nervous
> about that left wrist to try 6 volts on it yet?  But- I'm gonna do
it, after
> I've done it on my right wrist for 7 consecutive days, which ends
soon.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind- I've done all this before, and this
time
> around I'm seeing some of the same effects I saw before with 36
volts.
> Remember my strange head pain?
>
> Next to last thing- I am not totally convinced that the only thing
we're
> doing here is killing microbes. It simply won't expalin everything,
but not
> that I have any beteer explanantions. I think we may be enlivening
the blood
> cells with electrons,which are passed on to other cells, all of
which adds
> up to more bodily strength, more immune system strength, etc. When
we eat,
> we are actually engaging in electron exchange. We may simply be
doing
> beneficial electron exchange this way. Of course, too much electron
exchange
> is bad, as in electrocution. Too much food will kill you too. It
all makes
> me like the idea of LESS power. Subtle energies and all that...
>
> Last thing- Adamant has nothing to do with being right or wrong.
I've seen
> plenty of adamantness in my life and am quite talented at it myself
when I
> want to be. As I've grown older, I have found it to be of more use
the less
> it is used.
>
> Daddybob
>

lol Daddybob, I like the adamantness--used it myself a few times.  Well, I
thought exactly all that you have said, from each person being different
through to "well hell, it worked for me".  :-)  But their argument was so
strong" with all the technical electric stuff that I know nothing about, so
had no answer to give them back except that I THOUGHT it worked fine, which
naturally wasn't enough for someone who had "years of scientific tests and
facts and results" to back them up.  I thought I understood you to have said
(I never mentioned it on that list, but in my mind I thought) that you
actually needed to ramp down the 6 volt!!  But then I thought that perhaps I
just had it all wrong, and that I was messing up terminology.  They even
mentioned that it could possibly JUST be a placebo effect with the 6 volt
and I said "hey, if placebo works, then it works!!  Why do I care where the
healing comes from, so long as it comes??".  I guess that's why I like the 6
volt so much--it's simple, anyone can make one, it's cheap, AND it is
effective. If it's not--well, how much worse off are you?  If it didn't work
  it didn't work, and THEN you can go and try something more expensive,
stronger, has more bells and whistles.  I guess I was just feeling as though
I THOUGHT I had a handle on the workings and effectiveness of the 6 volt,
but by the time the discussion was over I was doubting what I "knew".
Dang--I hate when that happens! lol  But I should know better because it
happens in any and all alternative healing modalities.  There isn't one
health subject--heck, one subject at all, that you won't find exact opposite
opinions and "facts" from the "pros".   Guess I just got to quit letting
people rattle my cage, when I think "they know more than I do cause they got
the terminology".

Thanks for your reply.  I'm not taking this discussion anywhere, it was just
for my own benefit.

samala
Renee
"tossed down to live among angels, who have forgotten what they are, I
strive to remember" RLV 1998

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Last thing- Adamant has nothing to do with being right or wrong. I've seen
plenty of adamantness in my life and am quite talented at it myself when I
want to be. As I've grown older, I have found it to be of more use the less
it is used.

Daddybob





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Renee wrote
>DB, I've been having this discussion with a person on another list who
thinks that the 6volt isn't strong enough to run a virus killing current
through any length in the body, or much of a thickness, such as front to
back torso. That it's good for only mouth or smaller areas like wrists. I
know you have very sensitive skin, but do you feel like the current IS
running enough from foot all the way to the knee to actually be doing
something, like killing virus or is it just chasing it around? Or are you
using something besides the 6v? I know you said 6v but then you are also
adding a resistor which is cutting down the current even more, so I'm not
sure if it's just a 6 volt lantern battery or something else that also uses
6v from some other type of battery. Is this due to your sensitivity? Is the
plain old 6volt strong enough to do "major" healings? I have only had the
opportunity" to use my 6v on some bites and stings and I closed my wound,
but again the person is saying the wound closed because it was a short
sensitive area, and not like using the 6v on something like, say, hep. C.
Any thoughts? I thought I had it all figured out that the 6v was good
enough for anything, but now I have doubts because the other person is
pretty adamant that it's not strong enough. <


Hey Renee,

First thing I don't want to do is get in an argument, since I freely admit
that this is all trial and error and very subjective.

Second thing: INDIVIDUAL PHYSIOLOGY RULES. My wife can eat raw cucumbers but
not raw onions; I am exactly the opposite. She and our youngest daughter can
take 36v current on the wrists just fine. I and our oldest daughter cannot
take 36 volts on the wrists.

I am using a 6 volt non-alkaline Radio Shack lantern battery when I use the
footpad and pipe rig on the leg.

I am using a 6 volt alkaline Duracell lantern battery for my wrist.

As to whether or not 6 volts will penetrate the body (setting aside the
question of killing microbes) I can assure you that for ME, your friend is
wrong. The reason I use a limiting resistor is because the first time I
tried this with full strength 6vdc, about 4 amps, it nearly twisted my leg
in a knot after about 10 minutes. Even at 4.7 K ohms resistance, about 1
milliamp of current, it can cause calf muscle spasms; I had not reported
that because it just happened last night.

Keep in mind that a couple of nights ago I saw sparks on my battery posts
when I changed the polarity. If that ain't electricity coming through my
leg, I don't know what is.

Will 6 volts penetrate thick areas of the body? Apparently your friend never
grabbed hold of an old 6 volt car battery. They are rare these days, but
they weren't rare in my youth. Let me assure you it will jolt you good if
the amperage is high enough.

Will it kill microbes? I don't know. I would say time will tell but
truthfully I won't be able to prove a thing. It's not proof I'm after, it's
results that satisfy my needs.

About 6 vdc closing your wound- now that is interesting- remember I said
that I think that 6 volts may actually be healing my right wrist- and that
my left wrist still itches and has  red spot- and that I'm still too nervous
about that left wrist to try 6 volts on it yet?  But- I'm gonna do it, after
I've done it on my right wrist for 7 consecutive days, which ends soon.

Another thing to keep in mind- I've done all this before, and this time
around I'm seeing some of the same effects I saw before with 36 volts.
Remember my strange head pain?

Next to last thing- I am not totally convinced that the only thing we're
doing here is killing microbes. It simply won't expalin everything, but not
that I have any beteer explanantions. I think we may be enlivening the blood
cells with electrons,which are passed on to other cells, all of which adds
up to more bodily strength, more immune system strength, etc. When we eat,
we are actually engaging in electron exchange. We may simply be doing
beneficial electron exchange this way. Of course, too much electron exchange
is bad, as in electrocution. Too much food will kill you too. It all makes
me like the idea of LESS power. Subtle energies and all that...

Last thing- Adamant has nothing to do with being right or wrong. I've seen
plenty of adamantness in my life and am quite talented at it myself when I
want to be. As I've grown older, I have found it to be of more use the less
it is used.

Daddybob