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Re: [microelectricitygermkiller2] Re: Why I'm doing it this way

Hi Joe,
             I place a resistor  on each side of the smoothing
caps so the reverse discharge / charge current is limited.
As the battery feed / supply reverses to the cap, it ramps.
As the charge / discharge from the patient viewpoint tries
to meet the reverse charge, it ramps in either direction.
Using a single battery but needing to have current over
a longer path (say leg to leg) sometimes requires a small
reduction in these surge control resistors, with the the two
1 microfarad caps wired in parallel always between them.
 
I can bring more battery in line but the best "bump" filtering
is when there is a pot on each side of the caps and these
can also serve as the main current limits.
 
When I switch to microcurrent mode at .4 microamps, I have
the spare set of contacts in that timer or switch take the cap
(one side) right out of the circuit as it is no longer needed.
With 12.96 volt battery, 10 meg ohms series R of the volt meter
(acting as a micro current meter) that in itself will limit the current
to 1.296 micro amps. Adding another 22.4 meg ohms in series
with the patient loop takes the current to .4 microamps.
You know you are there when the meter reads 4.00 volts.
As the  2 microfarad filter cap usually sits across the two wires
to the patient loop and with all that resistance for low current 
switched in, the time constant just for these external values is
64.8 seconds.
 
That is too long to ramp each way plus you can not feel the curent
switch plarity at (point 4) .4 microamps anyway.
So, I remove it in that mode.
It is nice to use the voltmeter as part of the low current limit resistance
and leave it in DC volts mode, so you have a 1.2 microamps and
less meter, (with 12 volts battery, point 6 microamps max with 6 volt
battery, all the way down to 1 millivolt, which reading equals
100 picoamps.
You figure the clear day earth to sky current is 2 picoamps DC
per square meter.
Maybe that's one reason we feel good to be outside on a nice day
Vs a real cloudy day when there is no fair weather current.
Mike
 
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meter) plus
 
----- Original Message -----
From: aubug3
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: [microelectricitygermkiller2] Re: Why I'm doing it this way

>
> It's my aim to determine and eliminate every variable I can think of
so I
> can get back into electrification. One of those variables is polarity
> reversal timing, trying to maintain some comfort while still trying
to use
> DC at as slow a rate as possible, not into the hertz ranges.
>

My  recent  observations  show  a  factor  of  x 6  the  inrush 
current  during  polarity  switching  using  24  square  inch  pads 
on  belly / back.

You  seem  to  have  vastly  increased  skin  sensitivity  which 
shows  as  excess  sensitivity  after  treatment.

Your  'equivalent  circuit'  [lumped  component  values  resulting 
in  identical  load  to  the  power  source]  is  a  resistor  in 
parallel  w  a  capacitor.   My  values  [at  wrist]  are  4.7 K  & 
0.14  microfarads.   Since  you  have  a  tolerance  problem -  best 
guess  is  you  have  thinner  skin  &  your  equivalent  resistance 
is  closer  to  1.5 K  ohms  as  indicated  by  the  lower  currents.

This  makes  you  subject  to  2  complications.

1.   Replace  your  36 Vdc  pad  supply  with  about  6 Vdc  at  the 
pads.  Result  will  be  lots  less  ability  to  puncture  your 
skin  insulation  at  switch  time.

2.   I  expect  you  will  need  a  'low  pass  filter'  between  the 
pad  supply  &  your  pads.   It  will  need  a  much  longer  time 
constant  than  bG  has  indicated  to  prevent  high  transient 
currents.

3.   My  skin  capacitance  varies  a  lot  w  electrode  location; 
assume  yours  does  too.   Consequence  is -  takes  longer  [by  x
10]  for  the  current  transient  to  die  out  by  completing  the 
tissue  charge  change.   There  is  a  substantial  fat  layer  in 
the  belly  area  so  assume  that's  the  primary  difference.

4.   Selection  of  a  large  nonpolarized  capacitor  will  be  a 
problem.   Electrolytics  won't  work  [nor  tantulums]  due  to  low 
reverse  voltage  &  excess  current  leakage.   Disc  ceramics  or 
polypropylene  or  mylar  can  be  used  but  needs  a  lot  of  them 
in  parallel  to  get  the  capacitance  total  high  enough;  will 
likely  have  to  live  with  that  or  find  a  speaker  crossover 
nonpolarized  part  that  doesn't  leak  much.   At  6 Vdc,  this 
becomes  easier.   You  need  enough  to  get  about  4  seconds 
for   the   t = RC  time  constant.

O_______________/\/\/\____O_______ 
                  R       |       |
6 V                      cap, C   |  you
                          |       |
O_________________________O_______|  


If  your  parallel  R = 2 K,  your  pad  area = 1  sq inch  [each]  & 
you want 0.1 mA,  then  your  pad  voltage  becomes  V = I R = .1 x 2
=  .2  volts  so  the  remaining  drop  has  to  be  due  to  the 
series R = 5.8/0.1 mA =  58 K  ohms  which  includes  whatever 
leakage  current  the  new  cap = C  does.

Then  C = t/R  = 4 sec/58K = 69 microfarads  [at  6 Vdc]; 

might  wind  up  w  a  batch  the  size  of  both  fists.


This  WILL  look  like  overkill.  You  may  find  you  don't  have 
to  add  that  much  but  gives  some  idea  what  you're  up 
against.   It  also  allows  lots  longer  time  between  switches  & 
should  get  you  pain  free  results.   The  lower  currents  will 
need  proportionately  longer  treatment  times.   Any  change  in 
pad  area  will  need  a  corresponding  change  in  the  R  &  C.

5.   If  you  do  manual  switching -  get  a  double  pole  double 
throw  center  off  switch.  This  allows  you  to  do  1/2  the 
charge  change  at  a  time  &  further  eases  switch  transients.
                             

Good  luck.   Joe.



Thu Jun 1, 2006 12:40 am

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