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Sorry for this being so long but it will give you more of a background

Has anybody had any experiences where EFT just does not seem to work
sometimes?

No I know in EFT the rule is if it is not working then your not being
specific enough or you have not addressed the right root
issues/causes. However in my case I really don't think that is
happening.

I am helping a friend of a friend who has a fear of being sick. She
told me she was an EFT scptic but was desperate and willing to try
anything. I have been helping her via Skype PC Telephone. The fear
about being sick has got a lot worse in the last 6 months. I have
been working with her since about 10 days ago. I work with her about
every 3 days.

The fear of being sick (vomiting) controls her life, she won't eat
food she has not cooked herself in case it makes her sick, she
worries for 48 hours after coming into contact with people who are or
who have recently been sick as she has read it can take up to 48
hours for you to feel ill if you have caught something from somebody
who is ill, won't drink alcohol etc. She goes to extreme lengths to
avoid being sick.

No I surmised it would be best attacking the fear of being sick as
things like having a fear of eating food she has not cooked herself
would collapse along with the fear of being sick. If you have no
fear of being sick why would you worry about eating food you have not
cooked yourself? The only reason she worries about eating food she
has not cooked herself is in case it makes her sick.

As a first test for things we worked out what her fear of being sick
was all about and discovered things like.

Fear of gagging
Fear of what sick tastes like
Fear of not being able to breathe and be sick at the same time
Fear of chocking to death
Fear of what sick looks like
etc

When we tried tapping on those issues nothing would move. Apart from
one thing where the SUDS went from a 9 to an 8 the SUDS stayed the
same on everything. Even the one thing that did move from a 9 to an
8 would not move down any further.

I then changed tact and decided to see if there was any limiting
beliefs in the way (writings on the wall). Things such as I will
always have this fear of being sick, I don't deserve to end this fear
of being sick, its not safe to give this up, do you think EFT will
work for you etc. I also looked for any possible reasons why having
this fear of sick might be useful in anyway. I did not find
anything.

We then worked on 2 memories associated with the fear of being sick
(she said she only has 2). One from the age of 8 and one from 4
years ago. She could not manage the movie technique as she was not
very visual but that did not really matter. There was a lot of stuff
to work on concerning herself and others involved in the 2 memories.
Things such as anger, disappointment, fear etc The EFT was working on
something's and not on others. When I say it was working on
something's and something's would not budge even on the things it was
working on the SUDS would only go down a little say from a 6 to a 4
(I have done so many things now that I forget what would and would
not budge). I tried everything I could think of, usual EFT
statements, being more specific, choices method, argument tapping
etc.

I know sometimes EFT does not always work straight away for some
people and they may not feel the benefits until some time later. I
suggested to her maybe this is what was happening and she was just
having a delayed reaction to the benefits of EFT. We ended it there
and set up the next EFT session.

When we had the next EFT session I found out I was right, that she
did have a delayed reaction to some of the things we worked on but
again for something's the SUDS had not moved at all. She had now
lost the anger towards her dad for the incident when she was 8 years
old. She told me she was feeling sick the other night and rang her
dad up for chat. She told me before EFT she would never have done
that. I thought to myself "Great progress at last. Hopefully you
can now see how EFT can help you end your fear of being sick"

So we then done some more tapping. Again in this session we were
getting a lot of things the EFT was not working on. I again wondered
if I wasn't being specific enough or missing the core issues related
to what we where working on. I was sure something else was going
on. I again tried asking about any limiting beliefs. Again I found
nothing. We decided to leave it there and try again in a few days.
Just before we finished she said she had a question to ask me. She
said because things did not seem to be happening for her she wondered
if it might be energy toxins in the way. She told me she had been
reading the EFT website and read about energy toxins blocking the way
of EFT working. I said I don't think that was it but it was
certainly possible and it would be good to rule that out. I showed
her a way of self muscle testing for energy toxins and allergies.
She picked this up very quickly.


I got an e-mail from her 2 days later and she told me she found the
muscles testing very interesting. She said she knew she had an
allergy to dust and muscles tested herself for that. She got a
positive result for being allergic to dust. She then worked on her
allergy to dust. The EFT worked for the dust allergy and she told me
she no longer has a problem with dust in anyway. I thought to
myself "Great you now know EFT works. You have seen and felt it get
rid of you dust allergy". I thought "Psychologically this should be
very helpful as you have now experienced EFT working" She was so
pleased with the way EFT got rid of her dust allergy she started self
muscle testing for other allergies and energy toxins. She was
pleased to report back to me that she got rid of about 7 allergies
and there was no energy toxins in her house stopping EFT from
working.


I then got another e-mail which said 2 things had suddenly come in
her thoughts. She felt that her fear of being sick was based more
around the fear of not being able to breathe whilst being sick. Also
it was not safe to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when
being sick as giving up the fear of not being able to breathe when
being sick would mean if she ever has to be sick then she would not
be able to breathe. So basically she is convinced that if she gives
up the fear of not being able to breathe when being sick then she
won't be able to breathe when being sick. I have to be honest and
say I was bit miffed about the not feeling safe as when I was
checking for limiting beliefs I had asked numerous times if it she
thought it was safe to end her fears.

I quickly realised the feeling its not safe to give up the fear was a
very core issue and a massive limiting belief. Also the thought that
the thought she had that if she gave up the fear of not being able to
breathe when being sick it would mean if she ever has to be sick then
she would not be able to breathe was also a very core issue and a
massive limiting belief.

We than had another session last night. I was fully prepared to
tackle the belief that it is not safe to give up this fear of being
sick and giving up the fear means she won't be able to breathe when
being sick.

At the start of the session I asked her on a conscious level if she
wanted to stop the fear of not being able to breathe when being sick
and if she thought it was safe. Her conscious thinking told me that
yes she wanted to stop the fear but she still thought it was unsafe
to do so. I asked her to muscle test herself and see what the
subconscious mind thought about it all. The subconscious mind agreed
with the conscious mind in that it was not safe to give up the fear
of not being able to breathe when being sick but it also gave a
positive result in not wanting to give up the fear of being sick.

So on a conscious level we had

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being
sick
It is NOT safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means if I am
ever sick then I won't be able to breathe

On a subconscious level we had

I DON'T want to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when
being sick
It is NOT safe to give up my fear of being sick


So we then done some more tapping. We done usual statements, being
more specific, choices method, argument tapping etc.

After the tapping we had good results. Both the subconscious and the
conscious mind now wanted to end the fear of not being able to
breathe when being sick. However although she now tested strong with
muscle testing on it is safe to end the fear of not being able to
breathe when being sick on a conscious level she still thinks
that "It is not safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means
if I am ever sick then I won't be able to breathe"

So we now had on a conscious level

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being
sick
It is not safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means if I am
ever sick then I won't be able to breathe

On a subconscious level we had

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being
sick
It IS safe to give up my fear of being sick

As we now had the subconscious mind feeling it was safe to do so and
also wanting to end the fear of not being able to breathe when being
sick I tried to tap for the fear of not being able to breathe when
being sick.

I asked for a SUDS rating on the fear of not being able to breathe
when being sick and she said 4. We tried tapping on it and it would
not move to below 4. I tried everything on it.

We then decided to call it a day again. Now I realise the reason the
fear of not being able to breathe when being sick would not move from
a SUDS of 4 is possibly because on a conscious level she still
believes " if I let got of my fear of not being able to breathe when
being sick then if I am ever sick in the future I won't be able to
breathe as I am being sick".

Now after reading what I have typed so far you may be thinking that I
am not getting the statements correct or not getting the true core
issues but I don't believe that is true

The reason I think that is not true is that even simple things like
guilt fail to be moved by EFT. She mentioned during the last session
she felt guilty that her fear of not eating food she has not cooked
herself was stopping her taking her mum out for a meal on Mothers
day. I asked for a SUD level and she said 7. We done a round of
tapping and still a SUD of 7. We then done more rounds and tried
using choices method and argument tapping. Still the guilt was at a
7. Then I suddenly noticed something.

(I may be wrong on this and I apologise to her in advance) The thing
I suddenly noticed is that after each round of tapping when I asked
her what the SUDS rating was now she seemed to sound very proud in
her voice when she told me that it was still at a 7. It was a bit
like she was very smug with herself. We would do a round of tapping
on the guilt she felt for not taking her mum out for a meal on
Mothers day. Then I would ask her what it was now and without
thinking about it too long and in a nano second she would say still a
7. Now again she may have been having a delayed reaction to the EFT
working but there was certain smugness in her voice when she told me
it was still at a 7. It felt like she was challenging me and proud
that I was failing. I quickly realised she sounds this way when she
tells me the SUDS rating for all the things EFT has not worked on.

I know from her success with allergies such as dust that she knows
EFT does work. She told me herself she no longer has any problems
whatsoever with dust. So on a psychological level she knows EFT
works.

Another example when EFT has not worked is I asked where what she
felt in her body when she thinks about the fear of not being able to
breathe when being sick? She told me her breathing gets quicker and
her heart beats faster. Again EFT failed to help on both of these
issues.

I just don't understand my the SUDS on some issues will not budge. I
am 99.9% certain it is not the statements as I have tried
everything. I know there are no energy toxins are in the way. As I
have said it sometimes on things that should be easy for EFT to work
on that the SUDS will not move.

So back to my original question has anybody else come across people
who EFT doesn't seem to work for?
Maybe she doesn't want it to work?
Does anybody think I have been tackling all this wrong and I am
missing the core issues?
Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to try?

If anybody is willing read what we have tapped for so far and see if
they can spot what I am missing I would be most grateful. I have
most of it saved to Microsoft Word. It should give you a fair idea
as to how we have tackled things so far. We have spent a lot of
hours on this I feel I am getting nowhere.







Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:03 am

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Sorry for this being so long but it will give you more of a background Has anybody had any experiences where EFT just does not seem to work sometimes? No I...
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... I have not read other responses yet. I am also only a dabbler in EFT and not an expert. The thought that came to me as soon as I read this paragraph was...
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I don't think "fear of being sick is specific enough." Rosemary Conte _____ From: meridiantherapy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:meridiantherapy@yahoogroups.com] On...
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We have broken the fear of being sick down to things like the The fear of gagging when being sick The worry what sick states like Etc ... Holmes ... background...
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Hi, Have you tried all the possible angles with your friend's fear of being sick? I suggest to try going in all of the possible "doors": *specific events...
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