dear friends 

Hi Ben -

While the mystic experience is rare,
this group most probably has several,
if not quite a few, who can relate
to your story from similar direct
experience.

The shift to what you wrote of as,
"consciousness of everything" and the
clarity, compassion and comfort
(peace of mind)is a common result.
The clairvoyant part, and the
occasions of deja vu, are not as
common, but many people report them,
as well.

My experience, personally, and in
teaching meditation for the past 30
years has been that the former level
of conscious of which you wrote -
that anxious, needy "former self"
- often referred to as "ego",
is very sneaky, and does not
give up its attempt to regain the
dominant position in our consciousness.

"It" can impose upon our imagination
in the guise of clairvoyance. In
this way, it will play upon our
"spiritual pride" and can trap us
in a return to "vain imaginings"
that are not a product of our
enlightenment. This is quicksand,
and can rob us of the ground gained,
in great part. It takes keen
discernment and abject honesty
with ourselves to be able to spot
this distinction.

This is when a mature teacher or
"guru" can help guide an innocently
deluded "seeker" who has egoistically
talked themselves into claiming
enlightenment or even "Guru" status,
(Jody and Bruce - members here, can
speak knowledgeably, and sometimes
a bit jadedly, about this) and newbie
enlightened ones.

Even when the enlightenment
experience seems, and is "known"
as, absolutely complete, there is
still a maintenance that is
required to continue to reap
the harvest of this new level
of consciousness. It is easy to
ignore this, because the new
enlightenment is so pure and
powerful that it feel invulnerable.

In great part, it is, but while
we are still living in the material
world (thanks, Madonna) we are
subject to a "warring" faction -
in our own internal lives - as we see
manifested externally in the worldly
activity of war in the name of God.

A red flag for spotting this activity is
is when we feel a negative anticipation,
or stuggle. The ego feeds on struggle
and will step up the internal dialogue.
And this is the antithesis of meditation
as a waking consciousness. If we feed
the struggle, we are in effect giving
up our enlightened consciousness, which
is above circumstance, and returning
to a rationally-dominant concern.

The logical or rational argument
convincingly says we must be concerned
and do our part. But our part is to
maintain the enlightened perspective
and bring peace by our positive
energy and en-"light"ened view.
This alone will contribute to the
change of consciousness, and shift
in awareness, on a global scale that
so many awakened teacher "know" as
the destiny of humankind. Whoops,
getting a little lofty now.

I'll stop here. If you find some
resonance with this, let me know,
and I'll be happy to follow up with
you privately.

Peace,

Jeff

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Buehne
<benbuehne@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>      My name is Ben and I just joined.  It is nice
> that such a place exists, I have struggled to find
> others to relate to as far as my experiences
> meditating go.  Basicly no one else I know does it.  I
> thought I would take this opportunity to share with
> the group as far as who I am and what my experiences
> have been like to see if anyone can relate.
>
>      I used to be a fairly confused person.  I would
> generally be filled with an anger and anxiety.  I
> wasn't too fun to be around.  1 day I had a panic
> attack... they continued and actually got stronger as
> I had more of them.
>
>      I heard about the effects of meditation and gave
> it a shot.  It worked fairly well for me... I wasn't
> as angry and the panic attacks stopped.  I made
> meditation a regular habit although I didn't have
> panic attacks, just to maintain.  I taught myself how
> to do this.
>
>      One day, something happened though.  I was
> actually in college and studying for finals.  I was
> feeling stressed out so I decided to meditate.  It was
> then that I had what others have described as a mystic
> experience.  A conciousness of everything, without
> thought.  I was filled with energy afterwords and a
> sense of elightment.
>
>      It was then that I started to notice changes in
> myself.  I wouldn't ever lose my temper.  Nothing
> really got to me... anxiety wasn't an issue and I no
> longer had fears that I previously had.  I went from a
> C student to an A student.  I felt more compassion for
> others.  Although I was raised catholic... previously
> I hadn't been very religious.  Afterwords I was
> certain of there being something else...
>
>      Having this mystic experience became fairly easy
> for me.  I would be able to achieve it almost every
> time I meditated.  It was at this point in time that I
> noticed a clairvoyance.  I had prior knowledge of the
> future.
>
>      Now many may call me crazy... but I work in the
> mental health field and really experience no symptoms
> of mental illness.  This clairvoyance can be
> described.  It's like deja-vu.  It is as if I remember
> these things... although at times I need something to
> jog my memory (a trigger).  Then, later... I watch as
> things happened exactly as I had "remembered."
>
>      This did disturb me however... I didn't always
> like what I saw.  For a period of time I stopped
> meditating in hopes that this would go away... and to
> an extent it did.  However, I was drawn back into
> meditating and again took to it with ease.
>
>      That brings me to why I am here... as again with
> meditating I have the mystic experience.  I again was
> clairvoyant... which was fine until recently.
> Recently , again, what I have seen has disturbed me.
> I am talking about things on a global scale as well...
> not certain if it's armageddon but certainly a period
> of transition and war that we will enter soon.  I'm
> not talking about the war we are already in... one far
> more grevious and that occurs on the streets of the
> United States.  I was wondering if anyone else has had
> similar experiences.  Anyone else every get this
> cliarvoyant feeling?  If so, have you also seen this?
>
> Pleasure making your acquaintance,
> Ben
>
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>Melissa Fahrney wrote:
Hi Bob and everyone, peace, greetings, love and light too!

I'm just curious, for those who have websites for business or
information, does the Meditation Society of America have a
banner/button of some sort that could be put on a site. One it would
show our involvement and two, it could direct others to it. And, if
not...are you open to having that done for future use?

Namaste, blessings, cheers!

Melissa
----------------------------
Yo Melissa,

I really don't know if we have a banner or not that
can be placed on sites. I'm sure our present web-master
has the ability to create one if the previous one never
did, and as I do like the idea of having a way for people
to personally point to us via their own sites and
businesses, I'll probably discuss this with her
the next time we connect. Thanks for the idea.
One way that we like for people to "spread the word" is
by making copies of issues of The Inner Traveler and
passing them along to whoever they think would enjoy and
benefit from them. As our site is so very high rated on
Google and the other search engines, and we hope simply
because it has some good things to offer for those looking
for meditation instruction, we get millions of "hits" a
year, many people are being directed to and are using
the site often. But I think the sharing of The Inner
Traveler one person to another automatically creates the
potential of having someone to share concepts that deal
with the evolution of consciousness with, someone who you
can talk to about meditation and the experiences that go
with this awakening activity. So, with that as the potential.
and me thinking this is a very good thing, if you or
anyone reading this is interested, please let me know via
email ( medit8@meditationsociety.com ) and I'll pass on the
URL's of issues can be downloaded and passed on. In any
event, thanks for thinking enough about what we are doing
to think it worth sharing.
Peace and blessings,
Bob Rose, President,
Meditation Society of America
http://www.meditationsociety.com

Dear Rushikant,

Many thanks for your advice to www.dhamm.org to
learn about Vipassana Meditation as taught By S. N. Goenka in the
tradition of Sayagyi U Ba Khin. I appreciate his technique on the
development of consciousness also. I also agree that I should prctice
myself to develop my own consciousness for my own enlightenment.
That 's why I need help and suggestion form you and any other
experienced meditation teachers. Thanks again for your kind advice.
Regards,
Preyong

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Rushikant Mehta
<rushi_kant@...> wrote:
>
> Great Preyong ! It's really a pleasant surprise somebody can even
think of taking up such a subject for deep study ! May you have success
throughout !
>
> If you permit, one word of caution : why aim just for a doctorate on
developement of consciousness for Enlightenment ? May you rather aim
for that developemrnt of your own consciousness for your own
Enlightenment ! Probably, stopping at a degree would be like settling for
a handfull of sand after fathoming the ocean's wealth !
>
> There is a way for developemrnt of human consciousness,
discovered by Gotam the Buddha, called "Vipassana", preserved in its
pristine purity by a chain of a teacher-pupil transmission, presently
taught by....visit www.dhamma.org.
>
> May you earn Enlightenment, not just a doctorate !
>
> -rushikant.
>
>
>
>
> preyong <preyong@...> wrote:
> I am writing a thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the
> requirement for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> The Development of Consciousness for Enlightenment. Any idea or
> technique of the development process of consciousness for
enlightenment
> in the practice of meditation through your concept and experience
would
> be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by
much
> appreciated.
>
> Preeyong
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> May All Beings be Happy, be Peaceful, be Liberated from Misery.
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi everyone,
      My name is Ben and I just joined.  It is nice
that such a place exists, I have struggled to find
others to relate to as far as my experiences
meditating go.  Basicly no one else I know does it.  I
thought I would take this opportunity to share with
the group as far as who I am and what my experiences
have been like to see if anyone can relate.

      I used to be a fairly confused person.  I would
generally be filled with an anger and anxiety.  I
wasn't too fun to be around.  1 day I had a panic
attack... they continued and actually got stronger as
I had more of them.

      I heard about the effects of meditation and gave
it a shot.  It worked fairly well for me... I wasn't
as angry and the panic attacks stopped.  I made
meditation a regular habit although I didn't have
panic attacks, just to maintain.  I taught myself how
to do this.

      One day, something happened though.  I was
actually in college and studying for finals.  I was
feeling stressed out so I decided to meditate.  It was
then that I had what others have described as a mystic
experience.  A conciousness of everything, without
thought.  I was filled with energy afterwords and a
sense of elightment.

      It was then that I started to notice changes in
myself.  I wouldn't ever lose my temper.  Nothing
really got to me... anxiety wasn't an issue and I no
longer had fears that I previously had.  I went from a
C student to an A student.  I felt more compassion for
others.  Although I was raised catholic... previously
I hadn't been very religious.  Afterwords I was
certain of there being something else...

      Having this mystic experience became fairly easy
for me.  I would be able to achieve it almost every
time I meditated.  It was at this point in time that I
noticed a clairvoyance.  I had prior knowledge of the
future.

      Now many may call me crazy... but I work in the
mental health field and really experience no symptoms
of mental illness.  This clairvoyance can be
described.  It's like deja-vu.  It is as if I remember
these things... although at times I need something to
jog my memory (a trigger).  Then, later... I watch as
things happened exactly as I had "remembered."

      This did disturb me however... I didn't always
like what I saw.  For a period of time I stopped
meditating in hopes that this would go away... and to
an extent it did.  However, I was drawn back into
meditating and again took to it with ease.

      That brings me to why I am here... as again with
meditating I have the mystic experience.  I again was
clairvoyant... which was fine until recently.
Recently , again, what I have seen has disturbed me.
I am talking about things on a global scale as well...
not certain if it's armageddon but certainly a period
of transition and war that we will enter soon.  I'm
not talking about the war we are already in... one far
more grevious and that occurs on the streets of the
United States.  I was wondering if anyone else has had
similar experiences.  Anyone else every get this
cliarvoyant feeling?  If so, have you also seen this?

Pleasure making your acquaintance,
Ben

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi everyone,
      My name is Ben and I just joined.  It is nice
that such a place exists, I have struggled to find
others to relate to as far as my experiences
meditating go.  I thought I would take this
opportunity to share with the group as far as who I am
and what my experiences have been like to see if
anyone can relate.



__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

>Melissa Fahrney wrote:
Hi Bob and everyone, peace, greetings, love and light too!

I'm just curious, for those who have websites for business or
information, does the Meditation Society of America have a
banner/button of some sort that could be put on a site.  One it would
show our involvement and two, it could direct others to it.  And, if
not...are you open to having that done for future use?

Namaste, blessings, cheers!

Melissa
----------------------------
Yo Melissa,

I really don't know if we have a banner or not that
can be placed on sites. I'm sure our present web-master
has the ability to create one if the previous one never
did, and as I do like the idea of having a way for people
to personally point to us via their own sites and
businesses, I'll probably discuss this with her
the next time we connect. Thanks for the idea.
One way that we like for people to "spread the word" is
by making copies of issues of The Inner Traveler and
passing them along to whoever they think would enjoy and
benefit from them. As our site is so very high rated on
Google and the other search engines, and we hope simply
because it has some good things to offer for those looking
for meditation instruction, we get millions of "hits" a
year, many people are being directed to and are using
the site often. But I think the sharing of The Inner
Traveler one person to another automatically creates the
potential of having someone to share concepts that deal
with the evolution of consciousness with, someone who you
can talk to about meditation and the experiences that go
with this awakening activity. So, with that as the potential.
and me thinking this is a very good thing, if you or
anyone reading this is interested, please let me know via
email ( medit8@... ) and I'll pass on the
URL's of issues can be downloaded and passed on. In any
event, thanks for thinking enough about what we are doing
to think it worth sharing.
Peace and blessings,
Bob Rose, President,
Meditation Society of America
http://www.meditationsociety.com

Hi Bob and everyone, peace, greetings, love and light too!

I'm just curious, for those who have websites for business or
information, does the Meditation Society of America have a
banner/button of some sort that could be put on a site.  One it would
show our involvement and two, it could direct others to it.  And, if
not...are you open to having that done for future use?

Namaste, blessings, cheers!

Melissa

Dear Rushikant,

                           Many thanks for your advice to www.dhamm.org to
learn about Vipassana Meditation as taught By S. N. Goenka in the
tradition of Sayagyi U Ba Khin. I appreciate his technique on the
development of consciousness also.   I also agree that I should prctice
myself to develop my own consciousness for my own enlightenment.
That 's why I need help and suggestion form you and any other
experienced meditation teachers. Thanks again for your kind advice.
Regards,
Preyong

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, Rushikant Mehta
<rushi_kant@...> wrote:
>
> Great Preyong ! It's really a pleasant surprise somebody can even
think of taking up such a subject for deep study ! May you have success
throughout !
>
>   If you permit, one word of  caution : why aim just for a doctorate on
developement of consciousness for Enlightenment ? May you rather aim
for that developemrnt of your own consciousness for your own
Enlightenment ! Probably, stopping at a degree would be like settling for
a handfull of sand after fathoming the ocean's wealth !
>
>   There is a way for developemrnt of human consciousness,
discovered by Gotam the Buddha, called "Vipassana", preserved in its
pristine purity by a chain of a teacher-pupil transmission, presently
taught by....visit www.dhamma.org.
>
>   May you earn Enlightenment, not just a doctorate !
>
>   -rushikant.
>
>
>
>
> preyong <preyong@...> wrote:
>           I am writing a thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the
> requirement for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> The Development of Consciousness for Enlightenment. Any idea or
> technique of the development process of consciousness for
enlightenment
> in the practice of meditation through your concept and experience
would
> be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by
much
> appreciated.
>
> Preeyong
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> May All Beings be Happy, be Peaceful, be Liberated from Misery.
>  Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

Greeting DaKarmesh,

                         I appreciate your advice to www.anandaseva.org andi
have subscribed to www.anandaseva.org to learn more about his
technique.
Regards,
Preyong
- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "dakarmesh"
<dakarmesh@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Greetings Preeong and All!
>
> First off, I would like to bid you this early, my good wishes for this
> your mentioned undertaking. For this I would like to refer you to
Ananda
> Marga (www.anandamarga.org <http://www.anandamarga.org> )
and its
> extension Ananda Seva (www.anandaseva.org
<http://www.anandaseva.org>
> ). I am a former monk of this movement/way of life.
>
> With much love,
>
> DaKarmesh
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "preyong"
> <preyong@> wrote:
> >
> > I am writing a thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the
> > requirement for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> > The Development of Consciousness for Enlightenment. Any idea or
> > technique of the development process of consciousness for
> enlightenment
> > in the practice of meditation through your concept and experience
> would
> > be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by
much
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Preeyong
> >
>

Some of the best advise we can get is from
the words of wisdom of those who know. One
of the great things we can for our spiritual
evolution is to associate ourselves less and
less  with words that take our peace away, and
attend more and more to words that fill us with
peace. My advise is to choise wisely which you
allow to enter and fill your consciousness with.
One ongoing source for many in recent times has
been the wisdom of Swami Satchidananda. Today on
the Swami Satchidananda group this was posted. Enjoy!

The Power of Yoga for Healing,
Vitality, and Spirit

Message from Sri Swami Satchidananda
November 2-4, 2001 at Miami Beach, Florida

Now, more than ever we need to have a steady mind, a
calm and clean mind, and a loving and compassionate
heart. So many people are in pain, so many have lost
loved ones, and so many are overcome with fear. That
is all true and we have to feel compassion and
lovingkindness toward everyone.

God has given us a big wake-up call. As yogis let us
have a deeper understanding and broader perspective
when viewing what is happening in our world. Let's not
focus only on the negative side. That is what we see
happening sometimes, and people become filled with
fear and anxiety. A yogi, on the other hand, will look
upon everything with equanimity and balance.

This is a time for us to remember that in the name of
religion more people have died than in all the wars
and natural calamities put together. Now more than
ever we must understand that the purpose of religion
is not to separate us. True faiths don't preach hatred
and killing, nor did any of the prophets. It is the
people who interpret the scriptures who create the
divisions. Division comes if we put our ego into the
teachings of these religions. Let us strive to be free
of that kind of egoism.

In the same way, I see a very bright future for
humankind. The positive changes we are seeing are the
proof of what is to come. I really feel we are going
to see a better world. If you want to know why I feel
this way, it is because I see more and more people
wanting to know the truth, becoming interested in Yoga
and spirituality, and leading more caring and
compassionate lives.

The consciousness of people is changing, and they want
to know how to lead a better life. Please, have that
hope in your heart and that trust that we are building
a better world. My prayer is always that universal
love will light our paths. Every day when you pray,
repeat: "May peace, prosperity, and happiness be unto
all. May all see good in everyone, may all be free
from suffering. May the whole world be filled with
peace and joy, love and light." When you say this,
visualize it and really feel it. It should be
heartfelt when you send your peaceful energy out into
the world.

Our prayers will bring benefit, so let us
wholeheartedly pray for the world. Let us each spend
at least a few minutes each day in meditation. To me,
those are the most important minutes. You may not even
realize the effect, but these peaceful vibrations will
help millions of peaceless minds. You will be helping
the whole world to find peace and joy. And you can
carry this peaceful feeling from meditation all
through the day, all through the week, all through
your life. Even in the midst of a busy life, you can
retain this peace. With this outlook, the whole world
becomes a heaven on earth. God bless each and every
one of you.

Just wondering for those here interested in meditation, what
experiences anyone has had if any with high-tech meditation aids that
are supposed to speed up the benefits tremendously.

Here's a brief explanation of how they're supposed to work. In
the '70s they hooked very experienced meditators up to EEG equipment
to measure their brainwaves. They found the very experienced ones
could enter the Theta (usually associated with dreaming sleep) and
even Delta (usually associated with very deep dreamless sleep)
brainwave patterns - while wide awake! This actually causes
physiological changes in the brain. It has to evolve into a more
advanced brain in order to be able to handle this kind of stimulation.

It takes at least a decade or 2, meditating maybe 6-8 hours a day to
gain enough experience to be able to enter these states meditating
the old fashioned way. But the people who make these CDs and such,
claim that through technology we can now enter these brainwave states
in a matter of minutes, bypassing those thousands of hours of
practice and getting right to the deepest benefits of meditation.

I've used these products, but the problem is that I've very rarely
felt while listening, the way I would imagine a very experienced yogi
feels while meditating. I've had a couple times when I felt I was
floating, and one time when I guess I got a particularly good hit,
and just felt so peaceful for the next day or so. But I would imagine
that if I'm in the same brainwave state as the Dalai Lama or somebody
like that, I'm going to feel a LITTLE different, and more often than
just once in a blue moon.

One of these companies' CEOs touts meditation as the best way for
unlocking that 90% of our potential that most humans never use in
their lifetimes(I've read where its estimated that Einstein only used
15% of his potential). So I'm interested in hearing experiences from
anyone who has used these products or anything similar. I'm extremely
interested in anything that promises to unlock that hidden potential
within me. If the average person only uses 10% of his potential in
his entire life, I've probably used closer to 5%. If any of you have
found other techniques/technologies that you feel have unlocked your
hidden potential, please feel free to discuss them here also.

BTW: here's links to a few of the leading makers of this technology,
2 of which you have to buy already made, and the other 2 you download
onto your PC and can make alterations to the sounds you listen to, to
make them more powerful, effective, etc.

www.centerpointe.com
www.immrama.org
www.bwgen.com
www.transparentcorp.com

<jhanananda@...> wrote:
>
> Hello friends you are invited to subscribe to an infrequent newsletter that
> is dedicated to meditative absorption and Ecstatic Buddhism.  This
> newsletter will basically post a timely calendar of retreats that are
> dedicated to the cultivation of meditative absorption in any religious
> context, thus samadhi, jhana, fana, gnosis, ecstasy and meditative
> absorption are all terms that have been used for this experience.
>
> Ecstatic Buddhism
> A newsletter for the ecstatic contemplative and the Ecstatic Buddhist
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> that is oriented to the development of meditative absorption, then please
> let us know at the following email address:
>
> Ecstatic_Buddhism-owner@yahoogroups.com
>
> Maha-satipatthana Sutta (DN 22.21)
> "And what is meditative absorption (sama-samadhi)? There is the case where a
> contemplative; who is withdrawn from sensory phenomena, and withdrawn from
> unwholesome mental states; enters upon and abides in the first meditative
> absorption state (jhana), which is accompanied by bliss (piiti) and joy
> (sukha) originating from withdrawal...² (through fourth jhana).
> http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/mahasatipatthanasutta.htm
>
> The contemplative Jeffrey S, Brooks
> (Jhananda)
> the Great Western Vehicle
> PO Box 41795
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From here the Url works without the www.

> http://becomepeace.org/
>


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> (((((((((((((((((((0))))))))))))))))))))
>

Hello friends you are invited to subscribe to an infrequent newsletter that
is dedicated to meditative absorption and Ecstatic Buddhism.  This
newsletter will basically post a timely calendar of retreats that are
dedicated to the cultivation of meditative absorption in any religious
context, thus samadhi, jhana, fana, gnosis, ecstasy and meditative
absorption are all terms that have been used for this experience.

Ecstatic Buddhism
A newsletter for the ecstatic contemplative and the Ecstatic Buddhist
website:      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ecstatic_Buddhism/
Subscribe: Ecstatic_Buddhism-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Additionally, if any of you know of a meditation retreat that will be held
that is oriented to the development of meditative absorption, then please
let us know at the following email address:

Ecstatic_Buddhism-owner@yahoogroups.com

Maha-satipatthana Sutta (DN 22.21)
"And what is meditative absorption (sama-samadhi)? There is the case where a
contemplative; who is withdrawn from sensory phenomena, and withdrawn from
unwholesome mental states; enters upon and abides in the first meditative
absorption state (jhana), which is accompanied by bliss (piiti) and joy
(sukha) originating from withdrawal...² (through fourth jhana).
http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/mahasatipatthanasutta.htm

The contemplative Jeffrey S, Brooks
(Jhananda)
the Great Western Vehicle
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To your thoughts they are indeed insightful. As to your conclusion
to this you state that it is always great to give to God that which
we can not give to others, and I ask how can this be? The bible
states that to give is to give to God. This would make sense being
we all our of God and we all our Gods. So the greatest gift is to
give to all beings and to all life and open up and allow ourselfs
to recive that which is God





--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya
<dattapr2000@...> wrote:
>
> Authority in Spiritual Concepts:
>   Whenever you make any decision, you have to follow three
authorities: 1) Shruti i.e., Veda, Bible, Gita; 2) Yukti i.e.,
logic; 3) Anubhava i.e., experience.
>
>   Ex:1) To learn philosophy, the world gives the real picture.
Books may contain faulty knowledge, but the world contains only the
truth. To know whether the concept in the book is right or not you
must refer to the world. Any concept in the scripture should be
discussed with logic and finally approved only through its
experience in the world. So the purest love can be seen in the
world. Suppose somebody loves and serves you without aspiring
anything in return and his love is pure by all your tests, you
imagine how much you are pleased! You will do anything for him. It
applies to God also. If you serve Him without aspiring anything in
return from Him and if your pure love passes all His severe tests,
He will do anything for your sake. Love is proved only through
service. Mere words and feelings are of no use. Service can be
associated with words and feelings, like a plate of rice is
associated with curry and pickles.
>
>   2) In the case of idol and image worship, the Shruti
says `Natasya Pratima Asti' (Lord will not enter statues). The Yukti
is that one cannot make any inert object alive by any technique. A
dead body cannot get life by the chanting of the Vedic hymn which is
recited in the Prana Pratishta (life initiation). If you say that
life has entered the statue by such Prana Pratishta, why can't you
make the dead body alive by the same? The experience is that by any
technique, we do not experience life in any inert object including a
dead body. Therefore if you say that the life enters the statue, it
cannot be accepted. Then what is the meaning of this Prana
pratishta? Since you are rigid in not accepting the human form of
God due to your egoism and jealousy there is no other way than to
teach you like this. Thus, Prana Pratishta is teaching you that the
human form with life alone should be worshipped by the sixteen
modes.
>
>   3) An employee does service for the whole month and he does not
have to put in a formal request to the government to give his
monthly salary. The salary is put into his account automatically. He
does not beg for his salary by singing songs and weeping. Similarly,
Hanuman participated in the service of Lord Rama in human form and
got the fruit of His service, which was the post of the future
creator of the Universe. He did not sing bhajans, chant hymns,
meditate or shed tears etc., for the fruit. Therefore what is the
use of these things without the service? An elephant is fed with
sugar cane in a dignified way. The elephant does a lot of work in
carrying big logs etc. A dog does not do any service and it begs for
food by wagging its tail, by crying, by falling at the feet of
people but it is not given food or at the most it is given
leftovers. Therefore the knowledge and devotion should lead to
service, which are like the degrees acquired by you. Merely for your
degree,
>  no salary will be given. With the help of the degree you have to
get a job and do service for which alone you can get the salary. The
degrees will only help you to get a job but they cannot give you the
salary directly. With the help of knowledge you can recognize the
human incarnation. With the help of devotion you will come near Him
and become dear to Him so that you can participate in His service.
You get the fruit for your service and not for your knowledge and
devotion.
>
>   Conclusion: It is always great to give God that which you cannot
give to anybody. What is the greatness in giving that which you can
give to anyone? People easily give words and mind and there is no
greatness in sacrificing such things. It is very difficult to
sacrifice the fruit of work (money). Therefore the greatness lies in
sacrificing work or the fruit of work. The Gita emphasized on Karma
Phala Tyaga in view of the nearing Kali Yuga. Soon after the
Mahabharata war, Kali entered. Since the Lord knows that in the Kali
age, money, which is the fruit of the work, is going to be the
topmost item, He emphasized the sacrifice of money (Karma Phala
Tyaga) everywhere in the Gita.
>
>   At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
>   surya
>   http://www.universal-spirituality.org
>
>
> troy galloway <trgallo12000@...> wrote:          Thank you for
sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice. You
are right on and would love to hear more
>
> jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote:       --- In
meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@>
wrote:
> > Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other
interpretations are  either useless or of little use.
> What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to
aggrandize your deluded sense of self as an incarnation of God.
> Meditation is an effort to engender clarity. Musing about your
divinity brings clarity the way the winter runoff clarifies the
Mississippi River.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Swami Datta is the authority on Spiritual Conceits, his own.

Authority in Spiritual Concepts:

Thank you for sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice. You are right on and would love to hear more

jodyrrr <jodyrrr@...> wrote:

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@...> wrote:
> Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations are  either useless or of little use.
What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to aggrandize your deluded sense of self as an incarnation of God.
Meditation is an effort to engender clarity. Musing about your divinity brings clarity the way the winter runoff clarifies the Mississippi River.

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, troy galloway
<trgallo12000@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you for sharing this. I am new to this group but not to the practice.
You are
> right on and would love to hear more

http://guruphiliac.org

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, daniel peter
<princedanirock@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear ,
>  It's better for you to meditate upon this word of
> God.

Er... That's just one of the billions of words of God.  They fall from
each being's lips everyday.  The Bible is no more God's word than
the front page of the New York Times or the centerfold text in Playboy.

> BIBLE MEDITATION:
> "Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye
> the people of the land; for they are bread for us:
> their defense is departed from them, and the LORD is
> with us: fear them not." Numbers 14:9
>
> DEVOTIONAL THOUGHT:
> Joshua and Caleb faced formidable foes in the promised
> land, and yet what was their response to their
> enemies? "They are bread for us" (Numbers 14:9). What
> is bread? It is the staff of life. What happens when
> you eat bread? You are strengthened by it and you grow
> by it. Paul even said, "For a great door and effectual
> is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries" (1
> Corinthians 16:9). Why isn't the door to victory easy?
> Because if it were easy, then you would become weak in
> your effort to work out your faith in God. God places
> obstacles in your path to give you strength. Wheaties
> is not the breakfast of champions, giants are. God
> wants you to feed upon your difficulties and depend
> upon Him to make you a conqueror.
>
> ACTION POINT:
> What does it take to strengthen your body? What does
> it take to build your intellect? What does it take to
> grow love in relationships? Work. Read Philippians
> 2:12-13 and apply it to your life today.
>
>
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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@...> wrote:

[snip]

> Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations are
> either useless or of little use.

What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to aggrandize your deluded sense
of self as an incarnation of God.

Meditation is an effort to engender clarity. Musing about your divinity brings clarity the
way the winter runoff clarifies the Mississippi River.

Dear ,
  It's better for you to meditate upon this word of
God.
BIBLE MEDITATION:
“Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye
the people of the land; for they are bread for us:
their defense is departed from them, and the LORD is
with us: fear them not.” Numbers 14:9

DEVOTIONAL THOUGHT:
Joshua and Caleb faced formidable foes in the promised
land, and yet what was their response to their
enemies? “They are bread for us” (Numbers 14:9). What
is bread? It is the staff of life. What happens when
you eat bread? You are strengthened by it and you grow
by it. Paul even said, “For a great door and effectual
is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries” (1
Corinthians 16:9). Why isn’t the door to victory easy?
Because if it were easy, then you would become weak in
your effort to work out your faith in God. God places
obstacles in your path to give you strength. Wheaties
is not the breakfast of champions, giants are. God
wants you to feed upon your difficulties and depend
upon Him to make you a conqueror.

ACTION POINT:
What does it take to strengthen your body? What does
it take to build your intellect? What does it take to
grow love in relationships? Work. Read Philippians
2:12-13 and apply it to your life today.


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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "surya" <dattapr2000@...>
wrote:

[snip]

> Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations
are
> either useless or of little use.

What is of little use are your grandiose stylings designed to aggrandize your
deluded sense
of self as an incarnation of God.

Meditation is an effort to engender clarity.  Musing about your divinity brings
clarity the
way the winter runoff clarifies the Mississippi River.

"Jeff Belyea"<jeff@...>wrote:
>
"preyong"  <preyong@> wrote:
>
>   I am writing a thesis submitted in partial
> fulfillment of the
> requirement for the degree of  Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> The  Development  of Consciousness for Enlightenment.  Any idea or
> technique of the development process of consciousness  for
> enlightenment
> in  the practice of meditation through your concept and experience
> would
> be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by
> much appreciated.
> >
> > Preeyong
> >
>
> In the files here: Jeff Epic 1.pdf
>

I'm also interested in the above mentioned subject, and made a page about the
meditative planes corresponding to chakras and states of intellect

http://santmat-meditation.net/yoga/realization.html (undercosnstuction)

    Era

I was thinking about the recent Development of Consciousness and
Meditation for Children posts, and just to try it out, I entered
Meditation for Children into the Search section (the one that is
under our logo), and over 350 results came up. We've had almost
15, 000 posts and within them are virtually all of the answers
to any and all of your questions. Also we have had the grace of
having posts from many contemporary masters of consciousness
who I personally respect very much, like Maria Luisa, Sandeep,
Bruce Morgen, Greg Goode, Jeff Belyea, Gene Poole, Jerry Katz,
Judi Rhodes, Mark McClosky, Jody Radzik, and many more from whom
I think/feel you can learn exactly what you need to know. So, just
enter their name, or any question you have, and enjoy and benefit
from the results!
Peace and blessings,
Bob

--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "preyong"
<preyong@...> wrote:
>
>                     I am writing a thesis submitted in partial
fulfillment of the
> requirement for the degree of  Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> The  Development  of Consciousness for Enlightenment.  Any  idea or
> technique of the development process of consciousness  for
enlightenment
> in  the practice of meditation through your concept and experience
would
> be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by
much
> appreciated.
>
> Preeyong
>

In the files here: Jeff Epic 1.pdf

I am writing a thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the
requirement for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
The Development of Consciousness for Enlightenment. Any idea or
technique of the development process of consciousness for enlightenment
in the practice of meditation through your concept and experience would
be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by much
appreciated.

Preeyong

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello, and Great Questions! I am investigating the same thing.  Have
you heard from others?  I am going to research and develop my own
program I think.  I have started teaching my preschoolers and they
are picking it up.  Mostly we are just practicing breathing and some
visualization.  There is a site that is quite friendly and
intriguing...go visit: http://www.kerryleemaclean.com/
and for a nice ending to bedtime, try Maureen Garth's books
like "Starbright, Meditations for Children", 1991.

I am envisioning developing a meditation & energy coaching practice
for families so if you have any specific questions or areas of
interest that you'd like to see addressed, I would love for you and
anyone else who feels drawn to do so, to email me for program
development.

Namaste, Cheers & Blessings!
Melissa

Also, --- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com,
subhaekambaram <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I was thinking that meditation is a wonderful thing to start young.
> Is there a minimum age to teach children how to meditate? Any
specific
> practices? How to get them started?
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>

Meditation and its' effects on everyday life

My name is Nicola Reavley and I am a doctoral student at Swinburne
University in Melbourne, Australia. I am undertaking a research project
that aims
to explore the experience of meditation and its' physical and
psychological effects.

I am writing to you to ask for your participation and also for your
help
in getting other meditators to participate.

Participation is strictly voluntary, anonymous and confidential and
those that wish to participate will be asked to fill in some
questionnaires about their meditation experience and their thoughts
and
emotions.

The questionnaire can be done online at:

http://media.swin.edu.au/surveyor/survey.asp?s=01062219118113037252

I would be very grateful for any help you can give me. Please do not
hesitate to contact me if you would like any further information.

Nicola Reavley
Principal Investigator

Education is only the beginning.
Let's get on with it.

Swinburne University of Technology
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Greetings Preeong and All!

First off, I would like to bid you this early, my good wishes for this your mentioned undertaking. For this I would like to refer you to Ananda Marga (www.anandamarga.org) and its extension Ananda Seva (www.anandaseva.org ). I am a former monk of this movement/way of life.

With much love,

DaKarmesh

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--- In meditationsocietyofamerica@yahoogroups.com, "preyong" <preyong@...> wrote:
>
> I am writing a thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the
> requirement for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy on the topics of
> The Development of Consciousness for Enlightenment. Any idea or
> technique of the development process of consciousness for enlightenment
> in the practice of meditation through your concept and experience would
> be greatly helpful for my thesis. Any of your suggestion would by much
> appreciated.
>
> Preeyong
>