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Re: THE SAGE'S VIEW OF THE WORLD

Thanks, Bob. Beautiful satsang from Sivananda.
The sense of two worlds and especially the
two languages resonate clearly.

So often, religious admonition to live by
a certain code or set of rituals, and even
the claim to exclusivity, is based on
the new language wrongly interpreted as
relative to the physical world and then
"taught" by those who do not know of what
they speak. These are the false prophets
so often warned about by Jesus (and Judi).

Awakened teachers speaking of the results
of their new perceptions of a separate reality
in which a perfect joy, perfect love and perfect
harmony can be known intuitively, are speaking
from experiential knowledge and understanding.

The difficulty, the impossibility, of
distinguishing who is speaking from
experiential knowledge and who is speaking
from ego and rationally acquired, intellectual
postulating, seems the source of much of
the negative reaction to present day teachers
and accusations of fraud and hidden agenda
leveled at them.

As you say, famous dead guys and those
who are "to come in future" fare much
better than those who are in the
present moment - much the way the ego
resists resting in the present moment.

Some of us who have received what I consider
to be pure gift, feel that they were allowed
to see this truth under the agreement that
they would communicate it to others
(Boddisattva vow) - even though they find
that it cannot be put in words and must be
personally experienced to be known. Others
who come to understand this "new language" feel
that any attempt to guide is misguidance.

I received guidance. And am grateful for it.
So, my leaning is to offer to guide and
witness to the possibility of new understanding
available to us, that which we are intuitively
drawn to seek out.

Ultimately, the guidance is to "go within" and
discover what is already there - the kingdom
within. Meditation is the method prescribed
by virtually all awakened teachers.
For me, it was a re-awakening in the midst
of formal meditation, and so the paradigm
in which I "teach" is that our natural state
is one of enlightenment and it is a re-awakening
that "returns us" to our natural enlightenment
and pure joy in living that we knew as a child.

"By their fruits you shall know them".
Your fruit bowl is full and your
manner always gracious, Bob.
I love the work you do and I admire
the equanimity and openness you
maintain. Happy New Year.

Peace and love and gratitude,

Jeff





Wed Jan 1, 2003 7:12 pm

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By Swami Sivananda The man who stands up to his neck in water has a two­fold experience. His head is exposed to the sun. He experiences both heat and cold....
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... heat ... certain ... desires ... an ... as ... he ... for ... saint, ... He ... ********* Yes, you awaken happily *in place*, in and *as* the body mind...
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... of ... ******** So when all these gurus come around trying to "save" you, slap 'em one time for me! :-) Judi...
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Thanks, Bob. Beautiful satsang from Sivananda. The sense of two worlds and especially the two languages resonate clearly. So often, religious admonition to...
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... ********* There is no separate reality Jeff, this is it, and any ideas of "joy" or whatever are merely your "personal" feelings and interpreations, your...
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... only ... ****** I know how desperately you want to be a "teacher", whatever sort of egotistical nonsense THAT is? I suggest you stick to "teaching" the...
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... ******* The bottom line here Jeff and for the rest of you "peddlers" trying to push some "product" of which there is none! Your "product" is nothing but...
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... you "peddlers" ... Your "product" ... ******** And if you guys can't see that, heaven help us all! I'd rather hang with a goddamn used car salesman than to...
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Sweet friend, Judi - Can you possibly keep your slasher tongue in its holster long enough to read more than one sentence? Your self-contradiction is showing...
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Aha! Struck a nerve did I? Well there you have it. Sure, come on over the ranch, I'm not the only one who can see through your "pink experiential panties"....
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I keep seeing the word "Ranch". What is it? Is it another group? Where is it? What happens there? Are we all invited? ...Tony...
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Hi Tony, the ranch is a place where folks go to be slaughtered. Sounds like fun, huh? Mark...
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... ***** Big difference. It's "indistinguishable". It's not experience ... ****** Nope, for "experience" to be, there would have to be an "experiencer", of...
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Giddy up....
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I find the banter very entertaining. It reminds me of the 'French Cafe' dance sequence where a man and woman perform a modern ballet that simulates ugly fight...
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... Well, thanks a lot, Tony. You gave the whole plot away. I want a refund. Love, Jeff...
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oooops...."sorry-o" - as we say in pigeon english over here. ...Tony PS - What is the "Ranch"? ... From: Jeff Belyea <jeff@...>...
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Hi, again, Tony - The Ranch is another group site run by Judi.She approves all members before they can join and moderates all messages before they are posted. ...
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... ******* Well that's why I don't people with anger problems on. If someone has an anger problem, they got to work that out first. There's a certain level of...
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Hi, again, Tony - The Ranch is another group site run by Judi.She approves all members before they can join and moderates all messages before they are posted. ...
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