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>
>Hello dear friends,
>
>I am very excited to announce that my new book, Heal Yourself with Qigong, is
now available from the publisher on Amazon at a discounted pre-order rate.  I am
proud of this book and I think you will enjoy it.  It is a self-healing exercise
guide, complete with illustrations.
>
>If you do decide to purchase it, and you happen to like it, I would so very
much appreciate if you would put a brief but nice review on Amazon, as each
review will bump the book up a notch.  My publisher asked me to start an Amazon
review campaign, and so I am reaching out to my friends to start the ball
rolling.
>
>Here is the link to the book:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Heal-Yourself-Qigong-Practices-Increase/dp/1572245832/ref\
=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235754144&sr=8-1
>
>I hope you have a healthy, prosperous and happy new year,
>Suzanne
>
>
>
>Breath of the Dao Holistic Medicine
>650 Chenery St, San Francisco, CA 94131
>415.505.8855
>www.daoclinic.org
>Daoist musings blog: www.nourishinglife.blogspot.com
>Qigong training products: www.medicinalqigong.org


Breath of the Dao Holistic Medicine
650 Chenery St, San Francisco, CA 94131
415.505.8855
www.daoclinic.org
Daoist musings blog: www.nourishinglife.blogspot.com
Qigong training products: www.medicinalqigong.org

#159

From: "Suzanne Friedman" <daoistcollective@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:35 pm
Subject: Another reminder

monkeymedicine

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Please switch to the Daoist Qigong Collective Google group by clicking
on contact/join us on www.medicinalqigong.org.  We will no longer be
using this yahoo group, effective immediately.
Thanks!
Suzanne

#158

From: "Suzanne Friedman" <daoistcollective@...>
Date: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:34 pm
Subject: AIMC qigong clinic

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Hi Folks,
Just a reminder that the AIMC qigong clinic will be offered weekly
only through this trimester.  After that, it will be incorporated into
particular modules.

Happy Year of the Ox,
Suzanne

#157

From: "opqrgjry" <opqrgjry@...>
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: I want to meet you. Give me a chance!

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I want to meet you. Give me a chance! Click here to chat with me online:
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#156

From: Tracy Richardson <melohoney@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:06 am
Subject: Re: qigong clinic at AIMC Berkeley

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I will be there. Looking forward to it.

On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Suzanne Friedman wrote:

Hello all,
Just wanted to let you know that beginning next term (January) the
qigong clinic at AIMC will be on Tuesday nights from 6:30-7:30pm.�
Please let me know your dates of availability and I'll get you on the
books!
Happy holiday season,
Suzanne

#155

From: "Suzanne Friedman" <daoistcollective@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 12:19 am
Subject: qigong clinic at AIMC Berkeley-part 2

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This is a follow-up to my prior email--
Please send all replies to me at
suzannefriedman@...
(and not to the group)
Thanks!
S

#154

From: "Suzanne Friedman" <daoistcollective@...>
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 12:17 am
Subject: qigong clinic at AIMC Berkeley

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Hello all,
Just wanted to let you know that beginning next term (January) the
qigong clinic at AIMC will be on Tuesday nights from 6:30-7:30pm.
Please let me know your dates of availability and I'll get you on the
books!
Happy holiday season,
Suzanne

#153

From: "girlqablog" <girlqablog@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:29 am
Subject: I want to meet you. Give me a chance!

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http://clemencebhk.zoomshare.com/files/chat.htm

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#152

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#150

From: Brian Cork <bcbodywork@...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:28 am
Subject: Re: Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC

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Oops... I just sent a nothing e-mail... still working on this technology thing.

I will NOT be able to make it to the Tuesday night clinic, as I have other classes at that time.

--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Brian Cork <bcbodywork@...> wrote:

From: Brian Cork <bcbodywork@...>
Subject: Re: [medicinalqigong] Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC
To: medicinalqigong@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 8:25 PM

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Suzanne Friedman <medicinalqigong@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Suzanne Friedman <medicinalqigong@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [medicinalqigong] Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC
To: medicinalqigong@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:48 PM

Hello Qigong Masters,
I would like to get a sense of who can join us for the next
trimester's qigong clinic. It will be on Tuesdays from 5-7pm at the
school. If you plan on getting your clinic hours there next
trimester, please email me ASAP at: suzannefriedman@ earthlink. net

Thanks!
Suzanne

#149

From: Brian Cork <bcbodywork@...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:25 am
Subject: Re: Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC

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--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Suzanne Friedman <medicinalqigong@...> wrote:

From: Suzanne Friedman <medicinalqigong@...>
Subject: [medicinalqigong] Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC
To: medicinalqigong@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:48 PM

Hello Qigong Masters,
I would like to get a sense of who can join us for the next
trimester's qigong clinic. It will be on Tuesdays from 5-7pm at the
school. If you plan on getting your clinic hours there next
trimester, please email me ASAP at: suzannefriedman@ earthlink. net

Thanks!
Suzanne

#147

From: "Suzanne Friedman" <medicinalqigong@...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:48 pm
Subject: Medical Qigong Clinic at AIMC

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Hello Qigong Masters,
I would like to get a sense of who can join us for the next
trimester's qigong clinic.  It will be on Tuesdays from 5-7pm at the
school.  If you plan on getting your clinic hours there next
trimester, please email me ASAP at: suzannefriedman@...

Thanks!
Suzanne

#146

From: "David Caruso-Radin" <mindbodyherbs@...>
Date: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:18 pm
Subject: Re:whammy on a practitioner in Washington state

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Very ugly...

Morales to the story...

a) Practice in a state with a broad scope of practice.
b) Be aware of Borderline Personality Disorder. If you believe you have a client with the aforementioned disorder learn about it and when ending treatment be extremely cautious.

--
Peace,
David Caruso-Radin,
L Ac, MQP, Dipl. ABT

"Out beyond the ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there."
- Jal�l-ad-D�n Muhammad Rumi

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#145

From: "chgrwtwyr" <chgrwtwyr@...>
Date: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:35 am
Subject: Your profile has been added to my personal space!

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Your profile has been added to my personal space! Check my space here:
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#144

From: "Lauren Lau" <priestess@...>
Date: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:28 am
Subject: whammy on a practitioner in Washington state

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...It was an "acupuncture" practitioner, but involves qigongy and otherwise non-acupuncture things.

This message I wrote came out long. But it's interesting. And the original forwarded message is more interesting. And the PDF attachment is, like woah.

Start on page 3 where you'll see some big names dropped (people who provided testimony which are not included in the document). Thea Elijah, Lonny Jarret, and some others I don't recognize but maybe you would.

Then go to page 5 to the Findings of Fact and read onward. It's surreal (especially because of "the nun" near the beginning), and the more you read onward, the more difficult it is to believe this happened to a real practitioner.

And makes me want to re-evaluate our CA SB-477, effective Jan 1, 2003, which enables complementary and alternative health practitioners to provide their services legally, blah blah. Except I do not have the appropriate training to evaluate and really understand it. We need to be schooled. A comprehensive workshop about liability and crap, specific to us not-yet-acupuncture-licensed folk. And even for licensed folk, because the (attached) whammy is really a hard lesson.

Regarding the whammy: From what I gather, the patient has a history of becoming seriously emotionally dependent on whomever her current healthcare practitioner. Treatments concluded after a year because the practitioner successfully helped alleviate the cc pain condition using TCM. The patient attempted to commit suicide because the treatments concluded. State of Washington Department of Health investigated (I'm guessing) the suicide attempt... and subsequently nailed the acupuncture practitioner for 'practicing outside of his scope.'

Why is this interesting? Because in Washington State, AOM's (Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine) scope of practice ONLY includes "the application of an external physical force upon specific acupuncture points and meridians" plus limited patient counseling and patient education.

Nix to qigong, wu xing shi yao, guided meditation, lifestyle guidance, journel-writing exercises, and even RECOMMENDING BOOKS TO READ.

Woah.

Some tidbits...

page 8: "During the tx sessions, the (practitioner) provided some patient education and patient counseling to (the patient) about the broad academic principles of AOM theory and practice, including the connection between the mind, body, and spirit.... In providing treatment to (the patient), the (practitioner) did not communicate to (the patient) any distinction between these principles and the specific acupuncture techniques that may be employed in Washington State."

page 11: " The parameters of acupuncture scope of practice in Washington include application of the techniques listed in (blah blah), including patient counseling and patient education incidental to and necessary for the practice. The parameters of the acupuncture scope of practice in Washington State are narrower than the academic principles of AOM theory and practice generally.... The (practitioner) engaged in practice beyond the scope of acupuncture practice."

The part about the nun is fleeting -- don't let it throw you for a loop, even though at first glance, you'll think WTF. I hope that chiropractor on page 5 feels bad for the referral.

Continue by reading the forwarded message from Fred Klemmer, below. Beware.

- Lauren

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fred Klemmer <fred@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Subject: [perennialmedicine] Update on my Case
To: perennialmedicine@yahoogroups.com, wholeheartacu@yahoogroups.com, spiritoftheherbs@yahoogroups.com, 2spiritoftheherbs2@yahoogroups.com

Dear friends and colleagues,

As many of you know I have been in a legal struggle with the Washington State Department of Health centered around the scope of practice of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (AOM). They have now issued their decision in my case. A copy of the final order is attached below.

The DOH employee who served as a "health law judge" is giving me two years probation plus other conditions. This is far less than having my license taken away for 7 years, which is what the DOH prosecutor had been seeking. The judge threw out all the charges of negligence or wrongdoing except that I acted outside my scope of practice as a Licensed Acupuncturist in WA State. He noted that I was practicing in good faith what I had been taught in my AOM training, but that what is taught in the schools is not currently supported under WA law, even if it may be considered fundamental to the medicine.

This is a better outcome for me than I had reason to expect given that the job description of WA DOH health law judges includes the provision that they must "accept departmental limitations on independence of judgment." That, however, is the extent of the pleasant surprise. As the judge had clearly indicated in his preliminary rulings earlier in the case, he has a very narrow interpretation of the WA State acupuncture law that essentially excludes all non-physical techniques. He argues that the "plain meaning" of the law is to exclude the use of all AOM therapeutic techniques (with the limited exception of dietary advice) that do not include the application of an external physical force upon specific acupuncture points and meridians. This includes qi gong, tong shen ming, and wu xing shi yao. In fact, he lumps the diversity of qi gong, guided meditation, and lifestyle guidance I was doing all into the catch-all category of "therapeutic counseling."

I hope this ruling will serve to awaken state and national AOM organizations to the need to stand solidly behind the inclusion in scope of practice laws and regulations of such traditional non-physical techniques as qi gong, tong shen ming, and wu xing shi yao. I also hope it serves to awaken AOM practitioners -- and all holistic practitioners in general -- to the radical importance of professional self-governance.

It is entirely understandable that this health law judge, despite listening to many hours of expert testimony, was simply unable or unwilling to comprehend that what makes those external applications of physical forces efficacious is precisely a non-physical force called qi, the Chinese name for which can variously be translated as breath, energy or spirit. Without adequate laws and ongoing self-governance we allow our professions to be defined by the so-called "plain language" interpretations of people who know or care very little for what we do.

If you are an AOM practitioner in the State of Washington I urge you to support WAOMA and to attend the meetings and to get involved in the creation of a new law and a fully self-governing AOM board that represents what we do in its broadest sense rather than its narrowest.

If you are an AOM practitioner elsewhere -- or a holistic practitioner of any kind -- I urge you to look into the practice laws and professional governance situation in your state. Do these laws fully represent the medicine you practice? Do you have full professional self-governance? If not I urge you to do everything you can to lobby for change that ensures that you will be able to sustainably practice your medicine as you have learned to practice it. I urge you to take this opportunity to stand up for your medicine with the same commitment and passion that you put into the practice of it.

SIncerely,

Fred Klemmer, LAc

--
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#143

From: Andrew Sherman <iqiyou@...>
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:39 am
Subject: Private Practice Support group

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Dear friends,

I just wanted to shout out a quick reminder concerning the private practice support group I'm working on. We'll meet again this Friday, July 11 at 6pm in Berkeley. It's informal and fun, but we get down to business, so to speak. If you're trying to have a private practice of any kind, this could be the group for you.

Judy, I saw your concern about being BART-dependent. Considering what gas costs these days, I sympathize. I've changed the venue to the Boat Noodle House on Shattuck (http://www.yelp.com/biz/boat-noodle-house-berkeley). It's only a block and a half from the BART station in downtown Berkeley. It's still Friday, though. Perhaps another time we'll try a weekend again.

Look forward to seeing you all there this week!

Lihai
I Qi You
Bay Area, CA
www.IQiYou.com
iqiyou@yahoo.com

#142

From: "Lauren Lau" <priestess@...>
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

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hi Elena,

Thank you for following up with us. We had suspected that you were not party to the original solicitation. We now understand that you were not involved. Rest easy and be well.

- Lauren

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM, elena_glumica <elena_glumica@...> wrote:

i just want to say that i dont know who are these people and i never
had contact with them,so pls dont use my name and my profession for
these types of things.
elena sahinova

--
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#141

From: "elena_glumica" <elena_glumica@...>
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

elena_glumica@...

i just want to say that i dont know who are these people and i never
had contact with them,so pls dont use my name and my profession for
these types of things.
elena sahinova

#140

From: "elena_glumica" <elena_glumica@...>
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

elena_glumica@...

i just want to say that i dont know who are these people and i never
had contact with them,so pls dont use my name and my profession for
these types of things.

#139

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Date: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:59 pm
Subject: Online Degree Benefits

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#138

From: "calvinfahey" <calvinfahey@...>
Date: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:59 pm
Subject: Hello Group, Topic, yahoo or google or both? That is the question.

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Background: At AIMC and at Suzanne's clinic we discussed using google
for our forum. I did create a group for us there.
http://groups.google.com/group/daoist-qigong-collective?hl=en
you can get to it from the collective site also
http://www.medicinalqigong.org/Contact_Us.html

Suggestion: My suggestion is that members take a look at the options,
try using them and get feed back to the group.

I believe we can use these tools to help others as well as our selves.
There are many groups available where everyone just flaps their gums,
there is no shortage of that. People should have a place to go where
they can have solid solutions, techniques and procedures. History is
nice, glory and success stories are nice, but even the most
experienced and trained need access to good old fashioned protocol
and reference. Also community, the Daoist Qigong Collective site (((
http://www.medicinalqigong.org/  )))  has a page for announcements,
lets use it and make it known about through our various networks and
channels.

Bottom line, we should keep everything streamlined and easy and fun to
use. It will require a little effort on all our parts. We are a
"Collective", let me help guide this group to meet most of our needs
and desires. Give feedback. No rush, we shall let the universe unfold
and see what best suits us. Thank you everyone, Cal

#137

From: "David Caruso-Radin" <mindbodyherbs@...>
Date: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

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I have no idea what these folks have to gain. I have gotten similar e-mails for bodywork and acupuncture. Often from Italy for some actor, actress, or model. Go figure I haven't responded to one. Guess I have no interest in "qi exchange" with the Italian "rich and famous". ;-)

--
Peace,
David Caruso-Radin,
L Ac, MQP, Dipl. ABT

"Out beyond the ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there."
- Jal�l-ad-D�n Muhammad Rumi

#136

From: Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

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Strangely, the model exists: http://www.jurgita.com/models-id242407.html but Mrs Bianca Massimo doesn't seem to.
You might want to forward the e-mail with full headers to abuse@... so they can look into it. You could also contact http://www.inmail24.com/WriteToAdmin.aspx and ask if the annalisavit@... e-mail is legit.

If you have an e-mail address you use for such things, you could send her an e-mail . It also could be someone is trying to cause problems for this woman, since the sending e-mail address does not match the Mrs Bianca Massimo e-mail.

Jeff

Lauren Lau wrote:

Seriously.

It's like "Nigerian Bank Account" scam for Qigong instructors. This one (see below) doesn't outright solicit information, but some of them really do.

I receive one of these every 2 to 3 months. The past two have been from UK. I thought that this one from Italy was a pleasant twist.

I wonder if yoga teachers get this. Acupuncturists? Others of you who teach qigong? I'm curious. And have any of you responded, if so?

- Lauren

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bianca Massimo <annalisavit@inmail24.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Subject: Inquiry For Qigong Training
To:

Hello,
How are you today? My name is Mrs Bianca Massimo , i live and work here in italy, i am 46yrs old. I have been doing physical therapy since 1989.I work in homes, pools and fitness facilities. I do a combinatition of functional fitness, core work, aerobics and strength training . I have lots of happy clients here in italy. i have a client Miss Elena Sahinova Sandeva A model here in italy. She will be coming to the U.S in two weeks time for a modeling job and she will be residing in California temporarily until the neccesary arrangement for his job has been made before she leaves ,she will be needing 1hr Qigong Sessions 2days per week for 1month and 2weeks .

Miss Sandeva asked me to come with her to the US but i told her i would not be able to go with her to the US as i have a course i will be going for in a week time and because i dont know much about Qigong Training .So I promised to help her get a good Qigong Professional in your Area.

Pls tell me a little more about your self,how long have you been providing Qigong Training ?and would you be able to provide her Qigong Training ?

Pls i need you to get back to me with the amount you charge per 1hr session and also let me know if she can pay you via Us Certified Cashiers Check?

Pls send your reply to my personal email address ( bianmassaggio@yahoo.it) because i do check it frequently.
Thank you very much and do have a nice day..

Bianca Massimo
Via Fratelli,
21, 20123 Milano
Italy

----------------CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, electronic storage or use of this communication is prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by email, attaching the original message, and delete the original message from your computer and any network to which your computer is connected.

--
Lauren and company
priestess@gmail.com

-- Jeff Smoley LMT MA 52162
www.JadePowerQigong.com
www.yuliqigong.com
www.SomaticSA.com

#135

From: "Lauren Lau" <priestess@...>
Date: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: does anyone else get these "Inquiry For Qigong Training" emails?

thekittenfiend

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Seriously.

It's like "Nigerian Bank Account" scam for Qigong instructors. This one (see below) doesn't outright solicit information, but some of them really do.

I receive one of these every 2 to 3 months. The past two have been from UK. I thought that this one from Italy was a pleasant twist.

I wonder if yoga teachers get this. Acupuncturists? Others of you who teach qigong? I'm curious. And have any of you responded, if so?

- Lauren

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bianca Massimo <annalisavit@...>
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Subject: Inquiry For Qigong Training
To:

Hello,
How are you today? My name is Mrs Bianca Massimo , i live and work here in italy, i am 46yrs old. I have been doing physical therapy since 1989.I work in homes, pools and fitness facilities. I do a combinatition of functional fitness, core work, aerobics and strength training . I have lots of happy clients here in italy. i have a client Miss Elena Sahinova Sandeva A model here in italy. She will be coming to the U.S in two weeks time for a modeling job and she will be residing in California temporarily until the neccesary arrangement for his job has been made before she leaves ,she will be needing 1hr Qigong Sessions 2days per week for 1month and 2weeks .

Miss Sandeva asked me to come with her to the US but i told her i would not be able to go with her to the US as i have a course i will be going for in a week time and because i dont know much about Qigong Training .So I promised to help her get a good Qigong Professional in your Area.

Pls tell me a little more about your self,how long have you been providing Qigong Training ?and would you be able to provide her Qigong Training ?

Pls i need you to get back to me with the amount you charge per 1hr session and also let me know if she can pay you via Us Certified Cashiers Check?

Pls send your reply to my personal email address ( bianmassaggio@...) because i do check it frequently.
Thank you very much and do have a nice day..

Bianca Massimo
Via Fratelli,
21, 20123 Milano
Italy

----------------CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, electronic storage or use of this communication is prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by email, attaching the original message, and delete the original message from your computer and any network to which your computer is connected.

--
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priestess@...

#134

From: chewbacca Chew <jmchew@...>
Date: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:31 am
Subject: Re: Private Practice Group

jmchew

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Lihai~

   I hope to catch up with your support group one of
these days. Weekends are better for me. Although
Monday evenings are a possibility after my  6:30- 7:30
clinic hour at AIMC.

   Also, I travel by BART.

~Judy
--- Andrew Sherman <iqiyou@...> wrote:

> After our fun first meeting, I'd like to try to do
> the�Private Practice support group meeting on
> a�regular basis.
> How about having the next one on Friday, July 11,
> 2008 at Cafe Leila, 1724 San Pablo Ave, Berkeley, CA
> 94702, phone 510-525-7544?
> It's not a pub, but its nice, and we can have
> a�little talk and community before some of you hit
> the nightlife, and the rest of us go to bed.
> Chime in if you want to show.� Suggested discussions
> will continue on the subject of developing a
> marketing profile�for the�Medical Qigong client and
> Qigong student, as well as topics�and methods for
> giving presentations and classes,�good locations,
> and anything else that one needs to know to start
> a�successful business.
> Hope to see you all there,
> Lihai,�
> I Qi You
> Bay Area, CA
> www.IQiYou.com
> iqiyou@...
>
>
>
>

#133

From: Andrew Sherman <iqiyou@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:58 pm
Subject: Private Practice Group

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After our fun first meeting, I'd like to try to do the Private Practice support group meeting on a regular basis.

How about having the next one on Friday, July 11, 2008 at Cafe Leila, 1724 San Pablo Ave, Berkeley, CA 94702, phone 510-525-7544?

It's not a pub, but its nice, and we can have a little talk and community before some of you hit the nightlife, and the rest of us go to bed.

Chime in if you want to show. Suggested discussions will continue on the subject of developing a marketing profile for the Medical Qigong client and Qigong student, as well as topics and methods for giving presentations and classes, good locations, and anything else that one needs to know to start a successful business.

Hope to see you all there,

Lihai,

I Qi You
Bay Area, CA
www.IQiYou.com
iqiyou@yahoo.com

#132

From: Andrew Sherman <iqiyou@...>
Date: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:39 pm
Subject: Private Practice Group

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A few of us met on Sunday as planned for a private practice support group, although we switched the location last minute to Herbivore on Shattuck. I'll propose the next meeting in a separate posting.

Try as I may, I can't seem to get any of my friends and acquaitances to have a beer with me at a pub. I'm sure that this has to do with the health toward which everyone I know now aspires. Nevertheless, I spent several of my early years living and studying in Europe and have many fond memories of beergartens and pub-like restaurants, where cultural, political and business matters were discussed communally over long lunches. The dynamics of such places are virtually lost now, it seems--high-backed, dark-wood booths; coasters with the establishment's name and logo; tall glasses of whatever drink you order, ice-cold; out-door wooden picnic-style tables with big umbrellas for shade; easy finger-food served at all hours. The whole atmosphere just breathes of important discussions and friendly acquaintance.

I love restaurants of many types, and I truly enjoy the artsy, posh, done-up fashions that seem to have taken over modern restaurants. It seems that whenevery anyone opens a new green-inspired place, it turns out typically like this, and doesn't promote that community feel I'm talking about. A few places I've been to have couches and soft chairs and such, but they often seem dirty, overcrowded and lacking in privacy for conversation.

So, I long for the pub, and I usually suggest one first to anyone who wants to meet. And time and again, I acquiesce to switch locations to one that attracts more general approbation. I miss my pubs, though.

Sidtrack aside, a few of us met as I mentioned, and we had a stimulating conversation about a wide variety of things. My avowed purpose was to look into the matter of establishing some marketing data based on existing clientelle, since marketing data is non-existant for medical qigong practices. Combining my experiences with those of others that attended, it seems that we can safely say that our market is primarily women over 30 years of age. Beyond that it gets quickly more vague. They seem to like to either be referred by someone they know or vet the practitioner by first meeting them in some innocuous venue, as in when that practitioner teaches a qigong class or gives some kind of a lecture somewhere. Another seemingly sure-fire way to get clients is to volunteer or arrange for a period of hours spent at some kind of clinic where you're allowed to treat anyone interested, who pays little or nothing to try it out. Often this produces very devoted followers, though this last way isn't the best way to attract some of the more moneyed clients. The range of medical issues used as presenting symptoms is wide and doesn't appear to me yet to follow a particular pattern except for one glaring undercurrent: STRESS.

It was unanimous that, even if the client does not acknowledge the effect that stress is having on their lives, the presenting issues of most clients stems from an inordinate amount of stress that seems to be pervading the fields of many people. This isn't new to me, personally, but its nice to have it verified by others. Stress, stress, stress.

I'm communicating to the group in general to indicate anything useful that we found in our meeting, in case its of use to you all. Assuming that you're curious as to how to gear your focus for your practice, my immediate advice from pooling existing client activity is that you focus on women over 30 and women's issues, try to teach a class regularly somewhere or give a lecture on something qigong related, and sink your attention into methods of relieving stress in the bodies of your clients immediately and continuously. I intend to write a separate e-mail proposing another solution I've been working on, so keep an eye out for my next posts. At this point I'd just like to suggest that you look for communities and neighborhoods that have relatively few opportunities for what you do (which means not Berkeley, where everyone is doing some kind of energetic healing), and a relatively large number of women residents who are looking to get out and take a class or get some stress-relief who also can afford the prices you want to charge. When you've found it, find any community centers, YMCA's or YWCA's, Libraries or anywhere where you can offer to teach a class or give a lecture. Do it regularly, and get your picture and name featured prominently everywhere that you advertise it, in order to put your face and name in people's minds associated with your subject. Have cards ready at your class or lecture for people to get from you if their interested, and merely mention at the end of your lecture or class that by the way if you know anyone that's interested in Medical Qigong healing, take my card before you leave and send them on over.

If you charge in excess of $75 per session and want to have client's come back once every couple of weeks to once per month, you should assume an individual income of $70k or more, or a combined income of over $100k. This is based on my research concerning spending habits of people with ailments and their willingness to try alternative treatments. Lower income clients will only be attracted by lower prices, and so it's of little use to attract them unless you intend to keep your prices lower forever. At this point we come to an area in which it is possible to do research and find such places. You can, for instance, review tables that establish where a large percentage of women over 30 are living with higher incomes, and then cross-reference this against a phone-book listing of yoga and workout centers and healers of various types. If you can find a niche that has little qigong representation or energetic healing at all, then you've likely hit gold.

Since I've established that stress may be a key medical problem that you'll encounter, please allow me to convey my own gigong ideas on the subject of stress--you can of course take it or leave it.

Stress must first be defined functionally; I do that by assuming that stress occurrs when we react to situations with any measure of resistance to change. The degree to which we fail to accommodate the change or acclimate to it might be called stress. Furthermore, when we move on from an incident to which we've not adjusted, any later incident might continue to set off the problem at odd times, like a loose exhaust pipe on a car that scrapes and bumps the road continusouly. One important aspect of treating stress, therefore might be to address the way in which clients may be resisting things that simply are, and are common enough to make acquiescing to them a healthy idea. If, on the other hand, it is their zhi, their avowed purpose, to set themselves against whatever they're resisting, then they should learn to place themselves more advantageously to get better leverage. The prow of a boat is designed to slice through the waves it surfs, and manages the stresses by distributing them as evenly as possible throughout the ship. If your client want's to fight, they should learn to do so with less harm to themselves.

I've learned that the first organ system to respond to stressful situations is the Liver, which responds energetically by slowing down the flow of qi and through that the flow of blood. If the heart does not simulataneously back off the job, then there is obstruction without diminution leading to increased pressure. Thus the external situation of resistance to change creates an internal representation in pressure. Pressure will obscure subtler problems and presenting symptoms are likely to be a kind of misdirection or slight of hand. They, your clients, will break or leak in areas that were already weak, not necessarily in an area of the body that's related to the problem. Look to relieving pressure (purgation and regulation), and repairing any weak areas (tonification) that are likley the sites of presenting symptoms. After this, however, don't forget that you likely haven't yet identified the underlying problem, and absent a diagnosis of it, your client will be back with similar symptoms later.

In this day and age, and in the U.S. in particular, we are many of us cursed with over-active thought. We are culturally trained to overthink. My experience has shown me that just as the liver helps to create an internal representation of the external event, the mind and nervous system does likewise. Stress will thus likely show a neck and back pain component, a limitation in limb dexterity or range of movement, a tense facial tick or frozen expression type of symptom, and a general nervous system sensation. People who are less sensitive who have described what I've later decided was nervous system problems present with complaints of panic attacks, difficulty sleeping because of a mind that won't shut down, unprovoked emotional outbursts, general stiffness and general exhaustion that leads to dull thinking. Those who are mores sensitive will present earlier in the development of the problem with what I think of as sensory system burnout: difficulty waking up; lack of enthusiams for anything anymore; depression; body heat regulation issues (too hot, too cold); constant sensation of cloudiness in areas surrounding the spine, i.e., at the base of the skull, the neck, behind the heart, behind the solar plexus, and in the coccyx; se*ual repression or inability; in women, consistent or uncharacteristically (for the patient) difficult menstruation. Where stress is indicated, and these symptoms are presented, I see immediately that the nervous system must be treated.

We didn't exactly learn the nervous system under Suzanne as a direct component, but during the course I was concerned about this very issue and have since read some Accupuncture texts directed at it. To be fair, Suzanne seemed to have addressed this in the whole Ghost Point subject. For what I've discribed as nervous system embodiment of external stress, then, I recommend immediate pugation and washing of the head deep inside the skull and spine, tonification of the ren and du channels, microcosmic orbit regulation and the last two steps of of Suzanne's 13-Ghost Point treatment protocol in which essentially UB-62 points are used to run clear yang qi up the UB channels on the legs and back, over the head and into the eyes, deep into the head, overflowing the upper dantien, then pulling down the central channel through the heart and lower dantien and grounding out the feet again. This cycle is probably singly the most effective for my addressing these issues in clients.

I should make two points here. First, the whole 13-Ghost Point protocal will essentially do all this, so in that way Suzanne's teachings DID cover what I'm talking about. I claimed the lack of coverage because I'm not satisfied with the degree to which Chinese Medicine in general and TCM in particular is giving attention to neuro-muscular and skeletal issues that are far more common in the West than in the East. Attending to that pet peeve, I'm as yet unsatisfied with the coverage in the course, given how common I'm finding the symptoms to be in the populations I'm treating.

Second, the last two steps that I've claimed are singly the most effective in this issue have only been effective when I've ramped up the qi flow to what I consider to be cosmic proportions. In the early days, I would ramp this up too quickly for my clients and they'd claim discomfort, usually in the head or stomach. I found that I had to use the exodus out the feet as my indicator of flow so that increased pressure wasn't building up inside the body. Those of you who know me, know that I like qi challenge, and prefer clients who need to be sort of hooked up to a lightning bolt to heal, so when I point out that there's a need for heavy qi-flow, I mean very heavy. This is one of the things I like about it; healing people of nervous system tension is so difficult that it requires I focus as deeply as any of my most difficult personal meditations, and since the procedure requires little movement, except some gentle rocking, I can get quite lost in it. At any rate, it does work and does so immediately. I've had more than one client come out of it saying they felt as though they were back in the womb. This is after the fact--almost without exception, every client falls asleep during this. They usually come out feeling very dull and needing a good nights sleep, but they all express a wholly different experience the following day.

Thanks for listening and I hope it's been useful,

Lihai

I Qi You
Bay Area, CA
www.IQiYou.com
iqiyou@yahoo.com

#131

From: Lindsey Hayes <enchantedbylife@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:35 pm
Subject: RE: Later this month

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Dear Lihai,

Please keep me/us posted on future marketing meetings. I wasn't able to make it on Sunday, but I'm very interested in attending such discussions. I think it's very important for our private practices as well as for growing Medical Qigong in the U.S.

Thanks for bringing us together.
All the best,
Lindsey

To: medicinalqigong@yahoogroups.com
From: iqiyou@...
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:35:14 -0700
Subject: [medicinalqigong] Later this month

Judy said:
Dear Lihai~ I'm actually a newbie, between the certificate and the practice. I continue to treat friends without charge. I would like to sit in on a discussion group. I have a day job, M-F 10am-5pm in SF. And this weekend is out but maybe later this month? Thanks, Judy

Judy, you'd be welcome whenever you sit in, and your contribution will be appreciated. I've done a lot of research and looking into various aspects of running a business and practice, so I hope to be able to offer something of use to others. For my own part, I'm particularly interested in picking away at what I perceive to be a lack of marketing data on our profession. This intent requires that we all of us, any of us that treats anyone, get together and compare notes on our clients (not private issues, just general qualities). If we could come to some mutual impression of what kinds of people will come to us of their own, and what arguments are most likely to put people on the table, I'd consider it a step forward. To me, anyone who treats anyone, therefore, can contribute beneficially to my own interests. I hope that with enough participants we could eventually find that we are all of us usefully employed in meeting. We'll meet this Sunday at 5pm at Herbivore on Shattuck in Berkeley, if you change your mind. I intend to do the same thing again in perhaps a month. So, I'll keep you informed.

Judy said: ps. Is Lihai your nickname? Pronounced "Lee High?"

Yes. I use Lihai in my practice as a medicinal qigong practitioner and qigong teacher.

Deep peace to you,

Lihai

I Qi You
Bay Area, CA
www.IQiYou.com
iqiyou@yahoo.com

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#130

From: Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Golden shield/hard qigong and workout recovery

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The only person I know of who might be qualified is A. Flane Walker. I did a search on him and didn't find much.
You can look at http://www.ironpalm.com/classicformtrng11-07.html. Bottom of the page.
Then I found: Flane Walker 668 E Central Rd , Emmett, ID 83617-9508 (208) 365-6730 No date on the info.
He doesn't look as healthy as he did 15 or so years ago.
He used to be part of a MA discussion group I was involved with many years ago.
Not sure if he is still around. The hard gongs are not restricted just to seniors. To start you should be in great shape. I mean professional fighter shape.
I have never met anyone who I would call a master of these arts. My teachers and masters all warned me away from this training. This includes Chen Zhenglei who is one of the best martial arts masters in China. There are several videos of CZL on Youtube. One of the best is a long staff form. CZL is about 5'5", so when you watch that video, judge how long that staff is and the leverage he has to overcome to do what he is doing. The staff is oak, not one of the light weight woods used in most demos so they can be spun faster.

Jeff

Thanks for your input Jeff. I appreciate the fact that a lot of what
is openly taught is incomplete, however just to clarify are you saying
these systems are by nature damaging, regardless of whether the
teaching is complete?

Are you aware
of any qualified teachers that is teaching in the U.S.?

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#129

From: "Celia DuBose" <celiadubose80@...>
Date: Mon Jun 9, 2008 2:20 am
Subject: Can't work clinic on 6/09

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Suzanne,
Hope you had a good time in New York. I had a really great vacation!
Unfortunately, I have to take my mom to the doctor tomorrow and won't
be able to work in the clinic, but I plan on being there next Monday.
See you then.
Celia