Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice.  My son is just starting

his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

bright future.  The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.



Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom.  Another,

actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

with it.



So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here.  Yes, he's already

disposing of the condoms himself, btw.  However, what is out there

other than a vasectomy or a condom?  Or is there?  Yes, abstaining

would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.



Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!



Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.



Thanks in advance for any advice!

This is VERY worrying behaviour, I can't believe girls would act this way. It's

not just getting them pregnant he should be worrying about, if they are breaking

the conomds and epecially probably doing it with lots of men then he could catch

a sexual disease or AIDS.



If I were you I'd just tell him to not have casual sex with girls he can't

trust. Have a proper relationship, don't risk a bit of fu nfor getting someone

pregnant or catching a disease.



Apart from a condom there isn't really any other male contrception at the

moment. My husband and I just had a vasectomy because we are fed up waiting.



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Lady Rebecca the Egyptian

   To: malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:43 PM

   Subject: [malecontraceptives] My Son...





   Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice. My son is just starting

   his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

   company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

   bright future. The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

   about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

   the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.



   Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

   everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

   and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

   tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom. Another,

   actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

   and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

   with it.



   So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here. Yes, he's already

   disposing of the condoms himself, btw. However, what is out there

   other than a vasectomy or a condom? Or is there? Yes, abstaining

   would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.



   Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!



   Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

   perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.



   Thanks in advance for any advice!









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maybe your son should get a vasectomy, that is the best thing for him to do and

not father any children. i'm a mild mentally retarded male with a learning

disability and epilepsy. i chose to get a vasectomy when i was 20 years old and

i didn't want to father children. i don't want to end up fathering a child with

the same disibility i have, it isn't fair to the child.





 









--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Lady Rebecca the Egyptian <mzhuntress@...> wrote:



From: Lady Rebecca the Egyptian <mzhuntress@...>

Subject: [malecontraceptives] My Son...

To: malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:43 PM



Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice.  My son is just starting

his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

bright future.  The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.



Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom.  Another,

actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

with it.



So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here.  Yes, he's already



disposing of the condoms himself, btw.  However, what is out there

other than a vasectomy or a condom?  Or is there?  Yes, abstaining

would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.



Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!



Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.



Thanks in advance for any advice!







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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

at this point of time you are left with abstinence...or the the lack

of grandchildren, I faced the same issues in college, but opted for a

conventional vasectomy as a form of protection from predatory young

females...and even with that I was "oopsed" once...hopefully there

should be better choices available to young men by this time, and

hopefully some others can comment on their tentative availability.



best of luck



--- In malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Rebecca the Egyptian"

<mzhuntress@...> wrote:

>

> Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice.  My son is just starting

> his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

> company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

> bright future.  The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

> about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

> the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.

>

> Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

> everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

> and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

> tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom.  Another,

> actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

> and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

> with it.

>

> So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here.  Yes, he's already

> disposing of the condoms himself, btw.  However, what is out there

> other than a vasectomy or a condom?  Or is there?  Yes, abstaining

> would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.

>

> Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!

>

> Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

> perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.

>

> Thanks in advance for any advice!

>

i got a vasectomy when i was 20 years old because of my disability, i am

mentally challenged 51 year old male and epileptic. i feel i do have a greater

risk og fathering a mentally challenged child. its not fair to the child to be

mentally changed. my mother is mentally challenged and shows i have a good

chance of fathering a mentally challenged child.





 









--- On Thu, 2/19/09, sterile19 <dkkranch@...> wrote:



From: sterile19 <dkkranch@...>

Subject: [malecontraceptives] Re: My Son...

To: malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:35 AM



at this point of time you are left with abstinence...or the the lack

of grandchildren, I faced the same issues in college, but opted for a

conventional vasectomy as a form of protection from predatory young

females...and even with that I was "oopsed" once...hopefully there

should be better choices available to young men by this time, and

hopefully some others can comment on their tentative availability.



best of luck



--- In malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Rebecca the

Egyptian"

<mzhuntress@...> wrote:

>

> Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice.  My son is just starting

> his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

> company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

> bright future.  The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

> about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

> the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.

>

> Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

> everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

> and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

> tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom.  Another,

> actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

> and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

> with it.

>

> So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here.  Yes, he's

already

> disposing of the condoms himself, btw.  However, what is out there

> other than a vasectomy or a condom?  Or is there?  Yes, abstaining

> would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.

>

> Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!

>

> Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

> perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.

>

> Thanks in advance for any advice!

>









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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I suppose that it would be awkward to suggest to your son that he have a

vasectomy, but I really think that that is what he should do.  I got snipped

four and a half years ago, I have no children, and I am quite pleased with my

situation.  I have prepared a review of messages posted to this site, and I

think that the review shows why a vasectomy is a good idea for a man in your

son's situation.  Alternatively, if you or he rejects the vasectomy option, then

the review tells you his other options and the chances that he takes in using

them.



The following are all contraceptives practically available to men:



1.  Condoms,



2.  Testicular heating by the wet heat, hot bath method of Voegeli,



3.  Testicular heating by suspensories, and



4.  Vasectomy.



Some other male contraceptives, like RISUG and Nifedipine, exist but are

practically unavailable now and are not likely to be available soon.



Condoms are a quick, easy method that, if carefully used, is likely to be

effective in any given application.  Condoms are also the only protection from

sexually transmitted diseases.  Unfortunately, as you have seen, condoms are

prone to both accident and sabotage.  I used condoms very carefully but still

had a couple of accidents.  Fortunately, those accidents never led to anything,

but they could have.



Testicular heating has the advantage of causing actual sterility; thus it is not

accident-prone like condoms.  For that reason, testicular heating and condoms

are natural complements.  The sterility is not permanent, so a man using heat

must heat his testicles continually.



The Voegeli hot bath method is typically described as sitting in a bath at 116F

for 45 minutes per day for three weeks.  Six months of sterility is said to

result.  116F is a difficult temperature to maintain without some means of

heating the water while the water is in the tub.  116F is also a difficult

temperature for many men to tolerate.  Many men practicing the hot bath method

will have to use a lower temperature.  Voegeli said that her method could be

practiced at temperatures as low as 107F.  But, at the lower temperatures, the

period of sterility is shorter, so a man has to bathe much more frequently.  The

hot bath method requires a lot of dedication and time; for that reason, it is

often impractical.



See message 314 for comprehensive information on heat methods:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/314



See messages 155 and 247 for the hot bath method at temperatures lower than

116F:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/155



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/247



Testicular heating by testicular suspension is done by putting an elastic band

around the base of the penis to hold the testicles in the man's abdomen.  See

message 300 for more details:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/300



Message 19 says that testicular heating by suspension is unreliable:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/19



Message 19 also questions the reliability of wet heat and says that wet heat can

cause permanent sterility.  But a subsequent message, no. 167, by Dr. Lissner

says that she knows of no evidence of anyone ever having become permanently

sterile from heat:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/167



I suspect that complementing the hot bath method with suspension would prolong

the sterility period of the hot bath method greatly, perhaps even indefinitely. 

But I know of no research investigating that hypothesis.  I tried the suspensory

method and found that the elastic eventually became very painful at the

underside of my penis.  After I had my vasectomy, I thought of what may be a

simple solution this problem:  use a couple of pads to lift the elastic from the

painful pressure point.



Several men in this group have used heat and posted about their experience, and

you can go back to read them.  These messages are easy to identify.



Vasectomy causes permanent sterility and is thus very convenient and immune to

accidents.  But vasectomy is surgery and is not reversible, so many guys may be

reluctant to use it for fear of surgical damage or for fear that they may decide

that they might want to become fertile again.



The only alternatives to vasectomy--condoms and testicular heating--can be

reliable, but, in ordinary use, they are not practically reliable because of the

accidents to which condoms are prone and because of the time that the hot bath

method consumes.  Thus, the harsh reality of male contraception is that

vasectomy is the only method that is truly reliable in ordinary circumstances.



The conventional advice is that a man should not have a vasectomy unless he is

"absolutely sure" that he will not want to have any or any more children.  I

disagree with that advice.  Many women get pregnant against their partners'

wishes, men have no power to abort an unwanted pregnancy, and vasectomy is

typically a man's only reliable way to stop an unwanted pregnancy. 

Consequently, if a guy is sexually active but is not prepared to have a child,

then, in my opinion, he should get snipped--regardless of his age, his marital

status, or whether he thinks that he might want a child at some future time. 

Having a child with the wrong person or otherwise under the wrong circumstances

is far more horrible than not being able to have any children at all.



I don't know whether I was "absolutely sure" that I would never change my mind

when I got snipped four and a half years ago; probably I was not.  But now that

I'm fixed and CAN'T have kids, the thought that I might want them never crosses

my mind.  Also, knowing for sure that I can't get a woman pregnant has has made

me much more self-confident.



Messages 167 and 171 have very helpful information on vasectomy:



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/167



http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/malecontraceptives/message/171



jp



--- In malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Rebecca the Egyptian"

<mzhuntress@...> wrote:

>

> Alright, I'm looking for a bit of advice.  My son is just starting

> his first year of college, already has a good job with a computer

> company he interned with for a couple of summers and has a very

> bright future.  The problem, is his two sisters who keep telling me

> about some of his dates and the various underhanded schemes some of

> the girls are using to try to "trap" him by getting pregnate.

>

> Since I have a close relationship with all my children, they tell me

> everything such as the one who bit a hole in the top of the condom

> and other such things that involved punctures. One in paticular,

> tried getting him drunk so he would forget the condom.  Another,

> actually took the condom off him and in the quise of disposing of it

> and washing up turned it inside out and tryed to impregnate herself

> with it.

>

> So, since he's asked my advice, I'm asking here.  Yes, he's already

> disposing of the condoms himself, btw.  However, what is out there

> other than a vasectomy or a condom?  Or is there?  Yes, abstaining

> would be ideal, but when your male and 20... not terriably realistic.

>

> Ok, advice to pass along really would be great!

>

> Too bad they couldn't use something like the lapband to perform a non-

> perment vasectomy, that would be awesome.

>

> Thanks in advance for any advice!

>