--- In malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com, gdorn@n... wrote:
>
> On 3 Feb 2005 at 14:37, malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > Do you realize how bad a 3
> > percent per year failure rate is? At the end of ten years of use,
> > you're up to about a 1 in 3 chance of having a child.
>
> Just to be a pedantic math-geek, your chances are just over 26%.
>
> Other than that, I agree with you - revenge on those "half of the
population" who're
> just out for more kids is the last motivation we need. How about
"reversible
> vasectomies don't make guys moody or depressed every 28 days due to
wacky
> hormones" or "yet another useful barrier to decrease the odds of
pregnancy" or "take
> some of the responsibility for non-condom methods because condoms
are fallable,
> expensive and/or cause allergic reactions." No need to dip into
mysoginistic
> incorrect freudian theories about what women really want.
>
> On the other hand, I'd like a bit more control over my destiny, in
case I ever do end
> up making a drastically bad decision and end up sleeping with an
actual devious,
> conniving woman who pokes holes in condoms or something even
nastier. I'm pretty
> sure there's 2 or 3 women like that in the world, and I don't like
those odds. :)

Alright, I'll leave the math up to you. :P

I do agree with your general view that it would be nice to have a
little more control over one's own destiny, fertility-wise. I didn't
mean to invalidate that side of the argument. I do think that giving
both sides equal fertility control is an important way to strengthen
and humanize both women and men. I just wanted to respond to what I
sensed as hostility toward members of the opposite gender, when making
inter-gender connections is what this is largely about.