=)We, as men, should feel confident that if we do not want a child, that
=)it is a decision we are responsible enough to make. And for women, it

I find it interesting that though women are in control of their fertility,
and in control of post-contraception choices, men are expected by U.S. law
(and possibly other countries) to pay for the results.

To me that legal situation reads "women are irresponsible, so if you have
natural sex with one you are responsible for the consequences no different
than if you feed antifreeze to a dog." As if a women doesn't know any
better. If I were a woman I would be offended by the implication.

The reality is that women are not hapless victims of fertility, but rather
are very aware of the consequences...and rewards.

Under that situation, the female half of the population benefits from lack
of male contraception, and additionally benefits from continued use of
unreliable female contraception (used as a scapegoat when desiring
pregnancy), by retaining the choice of a free lunch[child] at their
leisure.

Until women are not rewarded from inadequate both male and female
contraception, progress in this area will be significatly hampered.

Imagine anything that would succend with half a population secretly
against it? Not likely.

If that sounds paranoid or cynical, put yourself in their shoes. If you
could decide when to have a child (or anything else you desire with the
instinctive intensity a woman desires children, lets say food or sex for
example), and it were guarenteed by law to be paid for in full with child
support or welfare, etc, wouldn't you be against anything that would
undermine that, even if you wouldn't openly admit to it? You'd be out of
your mind to want approval to obtain something you wanted, even if you did
have to pay for it, which in this case you wouldn't.

Don't confuse technological hurdles with real hurdle of insentive against
progress that half our population has. Remove that insentive and we may
begin to see progress, otherwise it's a loosing battle.

On 31 Jan 2005 malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com wrote:

=)Date: 31 Jan 2005 14:18:36 -0000
=)From: malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com
=)To: malecontraceptives@yahoogroups.com
=)Subject: [malecontraceptives] Digest Number 105
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=) 1. Please don't fade out!
=) From: "Gothfather" <dj_gothwookie@...>
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=) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:12:18 -0000
=) From: "Gothfather" <dj_gothwookie@...>
=)Subject: Please don't fade out!
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=)Hello, Just joined this group and have been monitoring any and all new
=)male contraceptives. I have not had as much luck as i have had today
=)finding new information. Albeit with outdated information. I see this
=)group has been idle for over a month now, and i would not like to see
=)it fade.
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=)I am and have been a real and hard working advocate of male
=)contraception for a couple years now since i heard about its
=)possibility of becoming a reality. Whenever someone receives new
=)information or hears about new research findings, please post ASAP :)
=)I am giving as much support as i can, and would love to spread the
=)word in my area.
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=)If there is ever a rally of petitions needed, i can begin one where i
=)live. Maybe if we all team up and hit various parts of the US and even
=)other coutries, get actual signitures on paper for them to see, maybe
=)then the $$$ for research will magicly appear. Any takers on this
=)possibility. If 100 of us try to get signitures and if we each get 100
=)signitures.... well, you do the math, but that is 10,000 signitures.
=)But the more the merrier, and the more willing pharmaceutical
=)companies will be willing to invest and get this to the next step.
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=)I do realize some are waiting for India to go through Phase III, but
=)lets see if some action now will encourage US researchers more, as
=)oppose to things like that permanent female birth control taking
=)precident on something that could give men a CHOICE! I would love the
=)chance to be in control as oppose to "trusting" that my woman is being
=)responsible and honest with me. How many more times does it have to
=)happen where the woman ommits certain things and the man believes she
=)is telling the truth. Next thing you know... *insert gratuitous baby
=)wailing*.
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=)We, as men, should feel confident that if we do not want a child, that
=)it is a decision we are responsible enough to make. And for women, it
=)will be an amazing burden lifted from your shoulders to know you are
=)not the only ones who have to keep on top of things... Although you
=)will have to go through some trust issues like us men do now ;)
=)
=)I personally feel though, when both men and women have the choice...
=)Accidental pregnancies will diminish to an amazing low that will make
=)everyone feel more comfortable with their sexuality and commitments
=)with their significant others.
=)
=)-Mike
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=)P.s. Sorry about the length... first Post. :)
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