On May 1, 2002, Kristen wrote

"The only way to get access to these (vasectomy alternative) methods
is:

1) Take your fertility into your own hands by experimenting with them
at home. Not advisable, as you might imagine.

2) Join a clinical trial. We are keeping a current list of clinical
trial locations at www.malecontraceptives.org/clinical.htm"

Did Kirsten remember what Elaine Lissner said about this?

"Wet heat and artificial cryptorchidism have received a lot of
interest, as they appear to be the only new methods which are ready
to use without waiting for the scientific establishment."

http://gumption.org/mcip/hint.html

Did Kristen mean that putting your fertility into the hands of some
stranger, who is trying to win approval for some exeperimental,
profitable drug or procedure, is MORE advisable?

Clinical trials are not always especially safe. People get hurt or
even killed in them. Pharmaceutical trials especially are
problematic.

No one has been hurt by hot baths or warm, tight underwear. And
these methods are effective.

But they can also be awkward. I have experimented at home with these
methods to try to find the most convenient implementation, and I have
posted on these experiments, just exactly so that I and other men CAN
take their own fertility into their own hands.

Kirsten calls this "not advisable, as you might imagine."

WOMEN have long held sacred that control of THEIR own fertility rests
exclusively within THEIR own hands. And a WOMAN has a dazzling array
of contraceptives from which to choose: Elaine Lissner's so
called "contraceptive supermarket." Some of these contraceptives are
more effective, some less so. Some of these contraceptives are
safer, some less so. No one questions a WOMAN'S choice; no one tells
HER that this choice or that is "not advisable, as you might imagine."

Is there some reason why it is "not advisable, as you might imagine"
that MEN should enjoy the same right that WOMEN have?

I am taking my posted messages from this group and bringing them to
other Yahoo Groups of category Birth Control: Male_Birth_Control and
Contraception. Anyone interested in what I am doing is free to e-
mail me at jp40177@....

Jim


--- In malecontraceptives@y..., "malecontraceptives" <info@m...>
wrote:
> Hi Glen,
>
> Yours is probably the most commonly asked question about male
> contraceptives: Where can I get them?
>
> Unfortunately, all of these methods are experimental now. None of
> them are commercially available for use, nor can doctors prescribe
> them. The only way to get access to these methods is:
>
> 1) Take your fertility into your own hands by experimenting with
them
> at home. Not advisable, as you might imagine.
>
> 2) Join a clinical trial. We are keeping a current list of
clinical
> trial locations at www.malecontraceptives.org/clinical.htm
>
> There are several places doing clinical trials with male hormonal
> contraceptives in Australia. Both the University of Sydney and
> Monash University's Medical Center (Victoria) have ongoing, small-
> scale trials.
>
> If there is a particular method that you are interested in, it may
be
> worth contacting the researcher to ask when they think it might be
> available, and to encourage their work.
>
> Hope this helps, and good luck.
> Kirsten