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Re: [magnotherapy] Lower Back Pain Treatment?

terrybenton@... writes:
I need a couple of things from you good people.  I have chronic lower
back pain that radiates down both legs (but mostly the left leg.  It
stems from my lower back.  I have had a surgery (lumbar laminectomy)
and did not progress out of pain very far. 1) What magnetic treatment
would you suggest?  Why?  Can any testify to it working?


There are four lower back pain studies that I know of, one is negative
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Treatment of low back pain with arrays of permanent magnets: a controlled study
McLean, MJ; Holcomb, RR; MacDonald, PW, Sanderson, L and Lombard, K:  
20th Annual Meeting of the Bioelectromagnetics Society, St. Pete Beach, FL, June 7-13, 1998.
ABSTRACT A 2x2 randomized double-blind cross-over study was done to assess the efficacy of the Magna Bloc in reducing low back and knee pain in 54 patients at two centers. The Magna Bloc is a magnetic treatment device which contains a quadripolar permanent magnet system. Pain was assessed using visual analog scale, ranging from zero (no pain) to 100 (maximal pain). Prior to any treatment the average pain rating was 52.9 + 23.3 points (mean + standard deviation). With treatment, the Magna BlocTM reduced pain by an average of 8.11 + 3.38 points more than did the placebo treatment (P= 0.030). If confirmed, this would suggest that the Magna Bloc is effective in reducing chronic low back and knee pain.

Efficacy Of A Static Magnetic Device Against Knee Pain Associated With Inflammatory Arthritis
Neil Segal, Joseph Houston., Howard Fuchs, Robert Holcomb, Michael J. McLean
Vanderbilt University Medical School; Division of Rheumatology, Department of Medicine; and, Department of Neurology Vanderbilt University Medical Center
Electromagnetic fields have been used therapeutically for 2000 years, for indications ranging from headaches to gout (1). There is considerable evidence that steady direct current and time-variant electromagnetic fields are produced by living bone through metabolic activity and pizoelectric activity upon bone deformation respectively (2). Pulsed electromagnetic fields (PEMF) have been used for acceleration of fracture and osteotomy healing. These effects have been shown to be mediated by reduction of osteoclastic resorption of bone, increased vascularization and increased rate of bone formation by osteoblasts, and these mechanisms have been studied on cellular and gene transcription levels (3). Placebo-controlled trials have shown decreased pain and improved functional performance in patients with osteoarthritis of the knee with PEMF therapy (4). However, relatively few clinical studies have examined the effects of static magnetic fields.
In this study, we examined the efficacy of treatment with a static magnetic field generator as adjunctive therapy for the joint pain in patients with inflammatory arthritis. The MagnaBlocÔ (MB; U.S. patent no 5,312,321) is a non-invasive non-significant risk device, consisting of four permanent magnets arrayed with alternating polarity in a hypoallergenic plastic case. The MagnaBloc™ is approximately 3.5 centimeters in diameter, weighs approximately 30 grams and generates a magnetic field of 190 millitesla. This device reduced mechanical low back pain and knee pain significantly more than placebo. Much larger time invariant magnetic fields like those produced by magnetic resonance imaging devices have not been shown to be harmful to man or animals

Spine Fusion for Discogenic Low Back Pain: Outcomes in Patients Treated With or Without Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Stimulation
Richard A. Marks, M.D.
Sixty-one randomly selected patients who underwent lumbar fusion surgeries for discogenic low back pain between 1987 and 1994 were retrospectively studied. All patients had failed to respond to preoperative conservative treatments. Forty-two patients received adjunctive therapy with pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) stimulation, and 19 patients received no electrical stimulation of any kind. Average follow-up time was 15.6 months postoperatively. Fusion succeeded in 97.6% of the PEMF group and in 52.6% of the unstimulated group (P<.001). The observed agreement between clinical and radiographic outcome was 75%. The use of PEMF stimulation enhances bony bridging in lumbar spinal fusions. Successful fusion underlies a good clinical outcome in patients with discogenic low back pain.

Bipolar Permanent Magnets for the Treatment of Chronic Low Back Pain A Pilot Study
Collacott E A; Zimmerman JT;White DW;Rindone J P;
JAMA. 2000;283:1322-1325
Context  Chronic low back pain is one of the most prevalent and costly medical conditions in the United States. Permanent magnets have become a popular treatment for various musculoskeletal conditions, including low back pain, despite little scientific support for therapeutic benefit.
Objective  To compare the effectiveness of 1 type of therapeutic magnet, a bipolar permanent magnet, with a matching placebo device for patients with chronic low back pain.
Design  Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover pilot study conducted from February 1998 to May 1999.
Setting  An ambulatory care physical medicine and rehabilitation clinic at a Veterans Affairs hospital.
Patients  Nineteen men and 1 woman with stable low back pain of a mean of 19 years' duration, with no past use of magnet therapy for low back pain. Twenty patients were determined to provide 80% power in the study at P<.05 to detect a difference of 2 points (the difference believed to be clinically significant) on a visual analog scale (VAS).
Interventions  For each patient, real and sham bipolar permanent magnets were applied, on alternate weeks, for 6 hours per day, 3 days per week for 1 week, with a 1-week washout period between the 2 treatment weeks.
Main Outcome Measures  Pretreatment and posttreatment pain intensity on a VAS; sensory and affective components of pain on the Pain Rating Index (PRI) of the McGill Pain Questionnaire; and range of motion (ROM) measurements of the lumbosacral spine, compared by real vs sham treatment.
Results Mean VAS scores declined by 0.49 (SD, 0.96) points for real magnet treatment and by 0.44 (SD, 1.4) points for sham treatment (P = .90). No statistically significant differences were noted in the effect between real and sham magnets with any of the other outcome measures (ROM, P = .66; PRI, P = .55).
Conclusions  Application of 1 variety of permanent magnet had no effect on our small group of subjects with chronic low back pain.
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The negative study was only 3 treatments, of 6 hours duration.   I would not expect a response that quickly as a rough rule of thumb is that long term conditions tend to take longer to solve.
However I have seen of back pain after major back surgery being significantly reduced in less than 10 minutes using a only a wrist band.

So, my suggestion is a back belt and a wristband to be worn 24/7.   There can be no guarantees of success and we do not understand the mechanism, so find a distributor who will offer you a money back guarantee and if that particular treatment does not work, try another.

2) If it has worked, where do you get these magnets?  How much?



You will find a list of manufacturers on my website.   The devices I recommended would cost 125 UKPounds and come with a three month money back guarantee.


  And
are they superior to the magnetic belts you can get at the drug
store?  If so, why are they superior?


There are two basic ways of applying magnets, with only one pole against the body, or with both poles against the body.   There are also different strengths of magnets.
And there is no way of telling which system would suit you and your particular condition best.   
If one system doesn't work for you, try another.   That's why the money back guarantee is so important.
And your drug store does not offer it.   Probably has relatively weak magnets as well.

I'm thinking about investing in some magnets if it seems like a wise
investment.


I think it's a wise investment, but then I would, wouldn't I.<g>

Best wishes
--
John Bain
UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor
http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html
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Magnets may help. The only way to know is to try them. Magnets will support your body's efforts. I would recommend wearing the insoles and using the back...
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... There are four lower back pain studies that I know of, one is negative ... Treatment of low back pain with arrays of permanent magnets: a controlled study ...
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We have another (unpublished) clinical study of permanent magnets for lower back pain and it too showed an improvement over placebo. One requirement for having...
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"(2) Placement of the magnets - self-experimentation may work, but it is hard to place magnets securely on the lower back and experience with these devices...
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... Another treatment which does not require experience or physiological knowledge is using a magnetic wristband. I have anecdotal evidence of this working. ...
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How can a wristband be beneficial to lower back pain? On Wed, 2002-06-19 at 10:39, JBainSI@... wrote: group@... ... Another treatment which does...
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I know that the product that John is speaking about is a wonderful one. I however find it more advantageous to my magnets directly on the pain. For me they...
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... I quite agree, Marlynn. I recommend doing both at the same time, and stopping the direct application when the pain stops. The wristband seems to be enough...
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... No idea. But then I don't know how the magnets on the back work either. I've read lots of different hypotheses, but nothing is proven so far. But if you...
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Message: 3 Date: 19 Jun 2002 11:06:21 -0500 From: Stefan <group@...> Subject: Re: Re: Lower Back Pain Treatment? ... I purchased a Bioflow wristband 2...
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... We need to be careful assigning theories, the mechanism is not understood or proven. Dr Vaclavec suggests a buffering effect on the blood restoring blood ...
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To all... First of all how could there ever be a magnetic monoplole? To my recollection monopoles are not magnetic...dipoles are...please elaborate on you...
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... I have no monopole theory. The term 'magnetic charge' is a fuzzy one and has been interpreted by some as a claim for a 'magnetic monopole'. But monopole...
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To all, If you understand magnetic fields and gradients than you will realize that no matter what side of the magnet on the so called "monopole magnets" is...
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Dear Liz, thanks for the informations regarding lactice acid and magnets. I do belive that most of the msucular pains are from accumulations of lactic acid in...
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... Yes, that is not in dispute. If you got any other impression from a post of mine I apologise, it was not meant. ... A previous poster wrote ... I queried...
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In a message dated 6/23/02 5:02:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading ...
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I need clarification...was there only ONE magnet on the left hand...and no magnet on the right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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... Yes, in the Theramagnet set of photos, the first sequence is without magnets at all, the second sequence is with a dummy magnet, and the third sequence is ...
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... John Bain wrote ... BVanson@... writes: What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading from where the single magnet is...
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In a message dated 6/23/02 2:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... That is correct. Only one magnet on the left hand and none on the right. This...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 10:57:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... Something about your conclusion about the Nikken test doesn't make sense. If...
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In respect to bilateral perfusion seen in unilateral application of an MF may indicate a neurovascular effect where the symmetrical vasodilation is not from...
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Our tests of refrigerator type and other multi-pole magnet designs, currently being marketed, show that the magnetic field is concentrated along the surface of...
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... Because it isn't that simple. And only the hands were really cold and were the focus of attention. Any effect would only be noticed there. ... Agreed. ... ...
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... Yup, could be, but a simpler explanation might be the breakdown of the long 'coin-roll' structures of red blood cells. I have heard of work being done in...
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... currently ... depth ... You are assuming a mechanism. Perhaps the field does not have to reach several inches below the skin. ... I have, Holcomb's work,...
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I know many alternative practitioners that are looking at that process with dark field photography...but blood is not as simple as it seems. The correct ...
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I have Holcomb's studies as well as many, many others...Steep field gradients are the key. Have you read through the entire content of these studies? I am ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the ...
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