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Re: [magnotherapy] Mag question for John


In a message dated 13/10/2008 14:20:22 GMT Daylight Time,
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>>>>>>>Pardon,
If you put the Negative side down toward the body, all influence will show
an increase in electromotive negative. If you put the Positive side down,
positive energy will occur within the tissue and resultant bloodstream and
therefore systemically, the body will move in that electromotive manner.


Here's an example.
Consider a very large, very strong horseshoe magnet, with the poles 6 feet
apart, Positive pole on the ground, Negative pole on the ceiling of the
treatment room. Patient on a treatment table just above the Negative pole.
The
poles are large enough so that the field is uniform between the poles.
If you raise the treatment table from just above the Negative pole to just
below the Positive pole, is it your contention that the effect on the patient
will change from healing to harming?
If so, I suggest we are not talking about magnetic fields, but some hitherto
unknown effect of positive and negative poles.

>>>>>>>If you look at PubMed or Medline, the same tests are there that show
Negative slowed down cancer in vitro while Positive sped it up.



Cites please.
I have found over 700 studies from pubmed and medline, but haven't found
anything confirming this. Please provide a reference.

>>>>>>>This has
been verified over and over again by the Swedes and elsewhere.

Cites please. I have 23 cancer studies and not one confirms this. You must
have studies I have not yet found.

>>>>>>>>This is the
same action that takes place in the body's tissue. Put positive into the
system and acidosis occurs. Use Negative and alkalinity is supported.

And use both and buffering takes place, normalising pH.

>>>>>>>>It is not a good idea to say that either pole will create the same
response
- that is playing with fire and someone might actually use positive and hurt
themselves or push some precursor cells (slightly positive) into cancer -
true chaos.


>>>>>>>>I have reviewed the video of the muscle tension/ relief of the
multi-polar
foot pad and apparently the multi-polar do affect the ascending and
descending signals in a positive manner.



Yes, I hope that you noticed the insoles in the video were not worn, just
stood on. This study is from medline

Effect of magnetic insoles on postural sway measures in men and women during
a static balance test.
Percept Mot Skills 2001 Apr;92(2):469-476
Suomi R, Koceja DM.
School of Health, Exercise Science and Athletics, University of
Wisconsin-Stevens Point 54481, USA. rsuomi@...
Numerous anecdotal reports have suggested a growing public enthusiasm for
magnetic devices for treatment of pain and various motor and sensory
dysfunctions. Although the principles behind magnetic therapy are well
documented, a
complete technical explanation of whether static magnet application is
effective is lacking due to a paucity of scientific research. In this study the
effectiveness of magnetic insoles on postural sway measures during a single
application were investigated. Twenty-eight adults (14 old, 14 young) were
assessed on postural sway measures while performing a static two-legged stance
test
on a Kistler force platform under two treatment conditions (magnetic
insoles, nonmagnetic insoles). Significant reductions in total sway area and
lateral
sway scores were obtained by the older adults while standing on the magnetic
insoles. These preliminary results indicate that treatment of postural
instability using magnetic insoles may be a viable alternative for older
adults.
And the video indicates it works with young sportsmen as well.


>>>>>As far as I have heard from all
over the world, the multi-polar pads are all right for muscles aches or as
they say in Japan "Sore Shoulders" but when you are supporting advanced
healing and pain relief, the electro-negative is what the body uses and an
amplified form of it works wonders. Reviewing
http://www.biomagscience.com/live_cell_microscopy_test_results_by_fms , the
blood work and succeeding nutritional transfer efficiency did not occur with
the multi-polar pads energies - it was tried.

You may not have seen the results on live cell microscopy, but they do work.
If they didn't, the main magnotherapy manufacturers would have gone out of
business or swapped to single pole only designs.

>>>>>>>If you are trying to support an increase in oxygen and promote
healing at a
site, unless you are using a specific circuit therapy to regenerate a nerve
or missing connective tissue, the final amplified field used should be just
like the body's' - electro-negative.

An unproven assumption. Look at Weintraub's several diabetic and
pheripheral neuropathy studies with magnetic insoles. Nikken bipolar insoles
I
believe. If your theory was correct they couldn't have worked.
Or are you saying that Weintraub was about pain relief, not healing.


>>>>>>>>>>>>When reviewing using electro-negative
to reduce free radicals such as
http://www.biomagscience.com/25_year_illness_starts_resolving , the
multi-polar energies did not and will not do that.
So when attempting to do supportive healing, it is wise to use the same
energy the body does when it heals - Negative.


Peter, I am quite sure your techniques work, but without valid comparison
trials you should not assert that bipolar techniques are not as effective.
There are plenty of trials that show they are effective.
And again, I have found none that show single poles work better.

Best wishes

John
sound-ideas.info








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Hi John. Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I have to say I'm no scientist, nor researcher other than for my own personal use. So when I say "studies" I mean...
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In a message dated 13/10/2008 06:18:18 GMT Daylight Time, gaiacita@... ... personal opinion. For what is best for ME. I'm sure others have had other ...
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Dear All, There is no Chaos in N/S/N/S. The entire universe works in a dual polar fashion right down to our own DNA. It does not matter what side you place a...
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Pardon, If you put the Negative side down toward the body, all influence will show an increase in electromotive negative. If you put the Positive side down, ...
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Hello from Bakersfield CA,my name is Carl. I was wondering how to tell the poles on any magnet.Is there a technique? Did I miss something in Kindergarten? ...
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Hello Carl. The best way is to get a compass. You can take your magnet into any sports store, or a place like Walmart and they will have compasses. Hold the...
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Uhhh,.....I turn 40 this year,and as you can imagine.......OMG do I feel dumb. ... From: Gaiacita <gaiacita@...> Subject: Re: [magnotherapy] Re: New...
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No no, Not dumb at all. When I first started reading about magnets it was VERY confusing. Everyone was using a different set of words. There was north,...
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... dumb.< Don't. It's not dumb. It's easy to forget if you were taught it as a child but even then half the time it wasn't taught correctly. The needle of a...
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In a message dated 13/10/2008 14:20:22 GMT Daylight Time, ... If you put the Negative side down toward the body, all influence will show an increase in...
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I am not even going to respond to the example of a huge horseshoe magnet. But go ahead and measure the multipolar forces and review the aggregate charge. You...
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Here is a good source on cancer file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Peter/Desktop/Foundation/health/Cancer /part%201%20Basic%20problem%20of%20cancer.htm ...
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Hi John. Actually, my first magnet uses were with Nikken products, and it did work for 2 different health issues. But, once I started using just north things...
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In a message dated 13/10/2008 15:43:58 GMT Daylight Time, gaiacita@... ... thinking that the very many people that have been helped with such ...
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I guess this group will continue to spew non scientific nonsense. I have done many, many studies on magnetics and biological systems. Physics proves the ...
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Please whatever you do - DO NOT Use any Multi-Polar pad on cancer !!!!!! From: magnotherapy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnotherapy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
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In a message dated 13/10/2008 16:34:40 GMT Daylight Time, com1@... writes: Please whatever you do - DO NOT Use any Multi-Polar pad on cancer...
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Just because researchers don't feel it matters, does not mean that it doesn t matter. :-) Sometimes it takes a bit of an 'episode' to get them to look at...
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Well said!!! diana ... -- "Let the beauty we love be what we do. There are hundreds of ways to kneel and kiss the ground." - Rumi "And forget not that the...
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Well, I see we disagree on most everything. :-) These double blind tests are often paid for by the very companies that hawk the products, and the results are...
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