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Re: [magnotherapy] Re: Lower Back Pain Treatment?

Liz at phunkc@... writes:
> If you understand magnetic fields and gradients than you will realize that
> no
> matter what side of the magnet on the so called "monopole magnets" is
> placed
> against the body, the donut shaped gradient that emanates from around the
> edges of these magnets is produced by a dipole charge.

Yes, that is not in dispute. If you got any other impression from a post of
mine I apologise, it was not meant.

> There is no fuzziness about "magnetic charge" if one looks in any Physics
> 101
> text book.



A previous poster wrote
> "The theory is that as the blood flows through the artery it picks up
> a magnetic charge which helps to speed oxygen flow through the blood
> system."


I queried this as an explanation. Are you saying that the previous poster
was correct?
Magnetic Charge
Objects might be able to carry an magnetic-charge; although this has never
been seen in an experiment, such a thing is allowed for by
Maxwells-equations. An object with a magnetic-charge would usually be called
a magnetic-monopole. Things with magnetic-charge produce an <A
HREF="http://www.moo.uklinux.net/kinsler/ircph/maze/magnetic-field.html">magneti\
c-field</A>,
and, if moving, would also create an <A
HREF="http://www.moo.uklinux.net/kinsler/ircph/maze/electric-field.html">electri\
c-field</A>. XKEYWORD:
magnetic-charge 20011228
(c) <A HREF="http://www.kinsler.org/paul/">Dr Paul Kinsler</A>.
http://www.kinsler.org/paul/

The two different meanings of monopole do cause confusion. In this case we
were talking about a dipole magnet with one pole kept away from the body, not
a monopole magnetic charge.

>
> I understand these issues well. I have been one of the research pioneers of
>
> magnetotherapy and its effects on biological tissues for many years.
> I have used and studied all of the configurations on the market today. As
> scientists we must educate and eradicate the misconceptions so prevalent in
>
> the commercial "magnet" market today. If we do not...magnetotherapy will
> remain just plain bunk to the academic community.

Yup, but which misconceptions are you referring to.


> These thermo photo sequences at face value, without further investigation,
> appear to indicate an increase in perfusion in peripheral tissue.

Yup, but on both hands at the same time, so it is not a direct result of the
magnet on one wrist.




I will
>
> attach a Japanese study that may help explain the mechanism. Enjoy this
> gift...it was very difficult to acquire this study!

Due to virus attacks, attachments are removed from this group.
But I would love a copy of the study. If you email it to me, I will put it
in the magnotherapy file area at Yahoo groups for everyone to access.

Best wishes
--
John Bain
UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor
http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html
Surround Sound for Television


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Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:01 am

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Dear Liz, thanks for the informations regarding lactice acid and magnets. I do belive that most of the msucular pains are from accumulations of lactic acid in...
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Jun 22, 2002
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... Yes, that is not in dispute. If you got any other impression from a post of mine I apologise, it was not meant. ... A previous poster wrote ... I queried...
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In a message dated 6/23/02 5:02:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading ...
BVanson@...
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Jun 23, 2002
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I need clarification...was there only ONE magnet on the left hand...and no magnet on the right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 23, 2002
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... Yes, in the Theramagnet set of photos, the first sequence is without magnets at all, the second sequence is with a dummy magnet, and the third sequence is ...
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Jun 24, 2002
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... John Bain wrote ... BVanson@... writes: What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading from where the single magnet is...
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jbainsi
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Jun 24, 2002
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In a message dated 6/23/02 2:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... That is correct. Only one magnet on the left hand and none on the right. This...
BVanson@...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 10:57:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... Something about your conclusion about the Nikken test doesn't make sense. If...
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Jun 24, 2002
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In respect to bilateral perfusion seen in unilateral application of an MF may indicate a neurovascular effect where the symmetrical vasodilation is not from...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 24, 2002
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Our tests of refrigerator type and other multi-pole magnet designs, currently being marketed, show that the magnetic field is concentrated along the surface of...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 24, 2002
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... Because it isn't that simple. And only the hands were really cold and were the focus of attention. Any effect would only be noticed there. ... Agreed. ... ...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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... Yup, could be, but a simpler explanation might be the breakdown of the long 'coin-roll' structures of red blood cells. I have heard of work being done in...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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... currently ... depth ... You are assuming a mechanism. Perhaps the field does not have to reach several inches below the skin. ... I have, Holcomb's work,...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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I know many alternative practitioners that are looking at that process with dark field photography...but blood is not as simple as it seems. The correct ...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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I have Holcomb's studies as well as many, many others...Steep field gradients are the key. Have you read through the entire content of these studies? I am ...
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Jun 25, 2002
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In a message dated 6/24/02 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 2:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... You can't change the laws of physics by which if you place a north pole along ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 8:08:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... BUT WHAT IF IT DOES! Then the "monopole" is the best design choice. Bob...
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Jun 25, 2002
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... Quite agree, and one suggestion is that the MF is buffering the pH. Magnotherapy the pHacts, MVDr Vladislav Vaclevec, ISBN 0 9535970 0 8 And we have...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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... Because it also happens with a much weaker Nikken magnet at a much greater distance from the hands. Nope, a CNS or blood or Qi explanation seems more...
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... I don't have access to a research library other than via the internet, so I have mainly abstracts and a limited number of full text studies. And of course...
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Jun 25, 2002
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... Sagan: "The reliance on carefully designed and controlled experiments is key, as I tried to stress earlier. We will not learn much from mere contemplation....
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Jun 25, 2002
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To all, Obviously this discussion group is not about science and research but a push for the '"monopole" magnetic devices that you list yourselves as...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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No truer words have been said...thank you John! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the neurovascular effect would have to follow some kind of symmetry to only affect the...
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Jun 25, 2002
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... I am not a 'monopole' salesman, the devices I use are multipole. I state distributor in my sig to ensure there no-one is unaware of possible bias. There...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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There are studies to compare the monopole and multipole systems. This area is and has been studied, and the facts are clear including the mathematical models...
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Jun 25, 2002
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The unfortunate thing about using this monopole and multipole for showing one or more magnetic poles toward the tissue to be treated is that it is confusing to...
Stefan
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Jun 29, 2002
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... Can you provide references? I haven't seen a direct comparison of the efficacy of monopole amd multipole systems. And you will find some dispute on the...
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Jun 25, 2002
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Stefan I would be most interested in this type of information; it has been my understanding that since the human body is supposedly 'transparent' to magnetic...
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