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Re: [magnotherapy] Re: Lower Back Pain Treatment?

Dear Liz,

thanks for the informations regarding lactice acid and
magnets.

I do belive that most of the msucular pains are from
accumulations of lactic acid in the muscel . I have
been applying the same undrestanding not only by
magnets but by acupucnture as well.

one of the main reason as (I do belive ) is improvment
of circulations that helps better oxygenations of the
tissue which helps for lactic acid to be mobelised to
liver for being metabolised in the Cori cycle.

Magnets also reducing the body pH to mre alkaline
level , which will consequntly allow the easly
desolving of lactice acid into blood stream.

pain is not only produced by lactic acid crystals but
also by deep muscele contractions which are
compressing the nerves and blood vessels . so when a
magnet is applied , it leads to increase muscular
relaxations , better perfussion and release of the
entraped nerves and blood vessels and probably nerve
ansthesia .

why a magnets effects the body even when it is not
applied locally , is the effect of the magent in
normalising the ph , allowing the lactic acid to move
.local applications initially help the local tissue
but ultimatily effects whole the body.

I also belive that magents effects the resting
membrain potentioal as well . since they are having
their own electromagnetic field . I remember a
sciatica patient to whom I applied the magnet and
affter that she could not even walk for 1 -2 hourse.
sha had limb ansthesia.

I could not get your attachment of Japanese studies ,
can I have a copy please.

regards all,
Dr,Majid fadaie.






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To all,<BR>
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If you understand magnetic fields and gradients than
you will realize that no <BR>
matter what side of the magnet on the so called
&quot;monopole magnets&quot; is placed <BR>
against the body, the donut shaped gradient that
emanates from around the <BR>
edges of these magnets is produced by a dipole
charge.<BR>
<BR>
There is no fuzziness about &quot;magnetic
charge&quot; if one looks in any Physics 101 <BR>
text book.<BR>
<BR>
I understand these issues well. I have been one of the
research pioneers of <BR>
magnetotherapy and its effects on biological tissues
for many years.<BR>
<BR>
I have used and studied all of the configurations on
the market today. As <BR>
scientists we must educate and eradicate the
misconceptions so prevalent in <BR>
the commercial &quot;magnet&quot; market today. If we
do not...magnetotherapy will <BR>
remain just plain bunk to the academic community.<BR>
<BR>
These thermo photo sequences at face value, without
further investigation, <BR>
appear to indicate an increase in perfusion in
peripheral tissue. I will <BR>
attach a Japanese study that may help explain the
mechanism. Enjoy this <BR>
gift...it was very difficult to acquire this
study!<BR>
<BR>
For a better and kinder way of dealing with the human
condition.<BR>
<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
<BR>
Liz<BR>
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To all, If you understand magnetic fields and gradients than you will realize that no matter what side of the magnet on the so called "monopole magnets" is...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 22, 2002
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Dear Liz, thanks for the informations regarding lactice acid and magnets. I do belive that most of the msucular pains are from accumulations of lactic acid in...
MAJID fadaie
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Jun 22, 2002
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... Yes, that is not in dispute. If you got any other impression from a post of mine I apologise, it was not meant. ... A previous poster wrote ... I queried...
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Jun 23, 2002
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In a message dated 6/23/02 5:02:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading ...
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Jun 23, 2002
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I need clarification...was there only ONE magnet on the left hand...and no magnet on the right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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... Yes, in the Theramagnet set of photos, the first sequence is without magnets at all, the second sequence is with a dummy magnet, and the third sequence is ...
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... John Bain wrote ... BVanson@... writes: What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading from where the single magnet is...
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Jun 24, 2002
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In a message dated 6/23/02 2:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... That is correct. Only one magnet on the left hand and none on the right. This...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 10:57:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... Something about your conclusion about the Nikken test doesn't make sense. If...
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Jun 24, 2002
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In respect to bilateral perfusion seen in unilateral application of an MF may indicate a neurovascular effect where the symmetrical vasodilation is not from...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 24, 2002
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Our tests of refrigerator type and other multi-pole magnet designs, currently being marketed, show that the magnetic field is concentrated along the surface of...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 24, 2002
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... Because it isn't that simple. And only the hands were really cold and were the focus of attention. Any effect would only be noticed there. ... Agreed. ... ...
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... Yup, could be, but a simpler explanation might be the breakdown of the long 'coin-roll' structures of red blood cells. I have heard of work being done in...
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Jun 25, 2002
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... currently ... depth ... You are assuming a mechanism. Perhaps the field does not have to reach several inches below the skin. ... I have, Holcomb's work,...
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jbainsi
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Jun 25, 2002
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I know many alternative practitioners that are looking at that process with dark field photography...but blood is not as simple as it seems. The correct ...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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I have Holcomb's studies as well as many, many others...Steep field gradients are the key. Have you read through the entire content of these studies? I am ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 2:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... You can't change the laws of physics by which if you place a north pole along ...
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In a message dated 6/24/02 8:08:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... BUT WHAT IF IT DOES! Then the "monopole" is the best design choice. Bob...
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Jun 25, 2002
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... Quite agree, and one suggestion is that the MF is buffering the pH. Magnotherapy the pHacts, MVDr Vladislav Vaclevec, ISBN 0 9535970 0 8 And we have...
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... Because it also happens with a much weaker Nikken magnet at a much greater distance from the hands. Nope, a CNS or blood or Qi explanation seems more...
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... I don't have access to a research library other than via the internet, so I have mainly abstracts and a limited number of full text studies. And of course...
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... Sagan: "The reliance on carefully designed and controlled experiments is key, as I tried to stress earlier. We will not learn much from mere contemplation....
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To all, Obviously this discussion group is not about science and research but a push for the '"monopole" magnetic devices that you list yourselves as...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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No truer words have been said...thank you John! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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alwaysmilli
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Jun 25, 2002
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Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the neurovascular effect would have to follow some kind of symmetry to only affect the...
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... I am not a 'monopole' salesman, the devices I use are multipole. I state distributor in my sig to ensure there no-one is unaware of possible bias. There...
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There are studies to compare the monopole and multipole systems. This area is and has been studied, and the facts are clear including the mathematical models...
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Jun 25, 2002
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The unfortunate thing about using this monopole and multipole for showing one or more magnetic poles toward the tissue to be treated is that it is confusing to...
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... Can you provide references? I haven't seen a direct comparison of the efficacy of monopole amd multipole systems. And you will find some dispute on the...
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