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Re: [magnotherapy] Re: Lower Back Pain Treatment?

phunkc@... writes:
> First of all how could there ever be a magnetic monoplole? To my
> recollection
> monopoles are not magnetic...dipoles are...please elaborate on you monopole
>
> theory.

I have no monopole theory. The term 'magnetic charge' is a fuzzy one and
has been interpreted by some as a claim for a 'magnetic monopole'.

But monopole in magnotherapy terms means using a single pole against the body
and keeping the other pole away from the body.
Bipole is using both poles against the body. (Think horshoe magnet)
Multipole is using series of alternating poles against the body.

> MFs always follow the laws of physics...in the human body on the molecular
> level.

Yup, but we do not always understand the mechanism used.

> Case in point oxygen!
> The oxyhemoglobin molecule was found to have a zero magnetic moment with no
>
> unpaired electrons. Each iron atom attached to the four porphyrin nitrogen
> atoms, the globin molecule, and the oxygen molecule by covalent bonds. The
> free oxygen molecule contains two unpaired electrons that facilitate its
> ease
> of attachment to and detachment from hemoglobin.
> The ferrohemoglobin molecule in contrast to oxyhemoglobin contains sixteen
> unpaired electrons (four unpaired electrons per heme) showing a magnetic
> susceptibility that had a pronounced paramagnetic contribution, with some
> evidence of magnetic interaction between hemes. The bonds of these unpaired
>
> electrons to iron are ionic, lending to hemoglobin's preferential affinity
> for oxygen and carbon dioxide.
> There are no mysteries here.

Then perhaps you can explain what you think is happening in the thermal photo
sequencies.

<A HREF=" http://home1.gte.net/infrared/theramag.htm">Thermographic
cameras.</A>
http://home1.gte.net/infrared/theramag.htm
<A HREF="http://home1.gte.net/infrared/ba1.htm">Infrared to Monitor
Before/After Therapies</A>
http://home1.gte.net/infrared/ba1.htm

Best wishes
--
John Bain
UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor
http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html
Surround Sound for Television


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To all... First of all how could there ever be a magnetic monoplole? To my recollection monopoles are not magnetic...dipoles are...please elaborate on you...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2002
3:28 pm

... I have no monopole theory. The term 'magnetic charge' is a fuzzy one and has been interpreted by some as a claim for a 'magnetic monopole'. But monopole...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 22, 2002
10:53 am

To all, If you understand magnetic fields and gradients than you will realize that no matter what side of the magnet on the so called "monopole magnets" is...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 22, 2002
12:11 pm

Dear Liz, thanks for the informations regarding lactice acid and magnets. I do belive that most of the msucular pains are from accumulations of lactic acid in...
MAJID fadaie
fadaiem
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5:20 pm

... Yes, that is not in dispute. If you got any other impression from a post of mine I apologise, it was not meant. ... A previous poster wrote ... I queried...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
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9:01 am

In a message dated 6/23/02 5:02:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading ...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 23, 2002
5:50 pm

I need clarification...was there only ONE magnet on the left hand...and no magnet on the right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 23, 2002
6:24 pm

... Yes, in the Theramagnet set of photos, the first sequence is without magnets at all, the second sequence is with a dummy magnet, and the third sequence is ...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
2:56 pm

... John Bain wrote ... BVanson@... writes: What the thermal images of our product shows is an increase in heat spreading from where the single magnet is...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
2:56 pm

In a message dated 6/23/02 2:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... That is correct. Only one magnet on the left hand and none on the right. This...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
4:52 pm

In a message dated 6/24/02 10:57:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... Something about your conclusion about the Nikken test doesn't make sense. If...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
5:29 pm

In respect to bilateral perfusion seen in unilateral application of an MF may indicate a neurovascular effect where the symmetrical vasodilation is not from...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
6:11 pm

Our tests of refrigerator type and other multi-pole magnet designs, currently being marketed, show that the magnetic field is concentrated along the surface of...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 24, 2002
6:16 pm

... Because it isn't that simple. And only the hands were really cold and were the focus of attention. Any effect would only be noticed there. ... Agreed. ... ...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
12:07 am

... Yup, could be, but a simpler explanation might be the breakdown of the long 'coin-roll' structures of red blood cells. I have heard of work being done in...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
12:07 am

... currently ... depth ... You are assuming a mechanism. Perhaps the field does not have to reach several inches below the skin. ... I have, Holcomb's work,...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
12:07 am

I know many alternative practitioners that are looking at that process with dark field photography...but blood is not as simple as it seems. The correct ...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
12:30 am

I have Holcomb's studies as well as many, many others...Steep field gradients are the key. Have you read through the entire content of these studies? I am ...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
12:37 am

In a message dated 6/24/02 2:13:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the ...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
4:00 am

In a message dated 6/24/02 2:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phunkc@... ... You can't change the laws of physics by which if you place a north pole along ...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
4:19 am

In a message dated 6/24/02 8:08:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JBainSI@... ... BUT WHAT IF IT DOES! Then the "monopole" is the best design choice. Bob...
BVanson@...
Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
4:32 am

... Quite agree, and one suggestion is that the MF is buffering the pH. Magnotherapy the pHacts, MVDr Vladislav Vaclevec, ISBN 0 9535970 0 8 And we have...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
8:49 am

... Because it also happens with a much weaker Nikken magnet at a much greater distance from the hands. Nope, a CNS or blood or Qi explanation seems more...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
8:50 am

... I don't have access to a research library other than via the internet, so I have mainly abstracts and a limited number of full text studies. And of course...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
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8:50 am

... Sagan: "The reliance on carefully designed and controlled experiments is key, as I tried to stress earlier. We will not learn much from mere contemplation....
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
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8:50 am

To all, Obviously this discussion group is not about science and research but a push for the '"monopole" magnetic devices that you list yourselves as...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
10:03 am

No truer words have been said...thank you John! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
11:48 am

Sorry, but I see that explanation as a stretch. For that to happen, the neurovascular effect would have to follow some kind of symmetry to only affect the...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
4:43 pm

... I am not a 'monopole' salesman, the devices I use are multipole. I state distributor in my sig to ensure there no-one is unaware of possible bias. There...
JBainSI@...
jbainsi
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2002
7:03 pm

There are studies to compare the monopole and multipole systems. This area is and has been studied, and the facts are clear including the mathematical models...
phunkc@...
alwaysmilli
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