Hey guyz,
Connie you can try what Troyness and I did, like he said. If you want
to chicken out you can do 11 drops and if you feel that you are super
toxic and sensitive then you can do 6 drops for a first time dose
(that is according to Hesselink). Hesselink also believes that in
order to overcome the antioxidant pathways of the body 6 or more drops
are needed. Dr Hesselink says that he gets best results with
occasional doses (every 2 or 3 days) at 11 or 15 drops. Although he
is still a noobie when it comes to treating Lymies like us! =) So far
he has one case where a friend of his took a one time dose of 12 drops
of Chlorine Dioxide (waited 3 minutes then added 1 glass of distilled
water) and he had no more Lyme symptoms for 5 weeks! At 5 weeks some
symptoms came back and he dosed again same as the first and his
symptoms went away yet again! He is still symptom free at this point
and it's been 3 weeks so far since his last dose, we will see what
happens with him. This was verified by some Antigenic testing that he
had done which came back Negative for Lyme. Hesselink speculated that
the reason his Lyme symptoms returned was because there was some cyst
(cell wall deficient) forms of Lyme left over. I would venture to
guess that regular dosing should eventually kill all cysts. He's had
lyme for 6 years.

That's where Humble and Hesselink differ. Humble seems to be scared
of people trying MMS herxing too much (thats my opinion),getting too
much nausea and stopping MMS. So because of these reasons he
recommends a slow ramp up from 1 drop. He specifically states in his
second book 2nd edition Never to start dosing at 15 drops or more.
Although when I talk to him he gives examples of people recovering
from Malaria, Hep C, Rheumatoid Arthritis (the osteoarthritis he
doesnt feel MMS helps but I think it would as even osteo most likely
has a pathogenic origin)with one time big doses (15 to 30 drops in one
dose). The people that try this out for the diseases mentioned get
very ill and experience lots of detox and herx reactions. The other
diseases seem to take longer like certain AIDS cases (some recover in
one month, others in 3 days) cancer and Lyme.

Humble also believes that dosing every day seems to keep the bug
numbers down and prevents most of them from running (or spirocheting
lol) away from high concentrations of Chlorine Dioxide. He said to me
on the phone "dont give those basturds any chance to recover, keep
hitting them".

So in summary:
Hesselink: First dose = 6, or 11, or 15 drops
Max daily dose = 15 drops (he said more could be used per
day ie. like 30 drops but he doesnt feel its
necessary, I tend to disagree with him in the case of Lyme disease
especially).
Pulsing doses = dosing MMS every 2 or 3 days (he speculates
that pulsing is better in order to prevent tolerance effects through
the antioxidant pathways) {basically he's saying that MMS will
gradually become less effective if dosed daily due to the body
adapting by neutralizing the MMS with antioxidants within the system}.
No antioxidants close to dosing including DMSO (apparently
he believes it's too strong of an antioxidant to take with MMS)

Humble: First dose =1 drop gradually ramping up.
Max daily dose =depends on the disease, but max is 15 drops
2x a day. (although he mentioned one guy doing as much as 60 drops
and being cancer free in 1 month)
Daily dosing = slowly ramping up daily
No Vitamin C for 3 hours before and 3 hours after dosing BUT
he believes DMSO is great to use with MMS because its such a great
carrier and helps MMS penetrate the deeper tissues.

My opinion:
I think there is immense validity behind both protocols which are both
based on speculation through observation. Both protocols are theory
at this point and not based on scientific research. Both come from
very intelligent, revolutionary, caring people. Both seem to have
their distinct advantages and disadvantages. So you guys should make
up your own minds as to what to do. Listen to your bods and see what
it tells you. Afterall the reason MMS is now so popular is due to
observational research and first hand accounts and testimonials.

Some people may need to do Hesselink's suggested pulsing protocol due
to extreme toxic reactions. Which is a very common finding with Lymies.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCES:
Troy, Beverley and I did a combination of the two protocols (first
dose 15 drops dosing every day thereafter). For the first 6 days we
all felt nausea, abdominal cramping, diarrhoea, headaches and fatigue.
Troy felt the MMS going after bugs in his head and eye due to his eye
surgery. After 6 days we all gradually felt better and better which
leads us to believe that there is fewer bugs to kill and hence less
herxing OR that we are detoxed significantly thanks to MMS and feeling
less of a herx effect OR that Hesselink's theory about MMS gradually
reducing in effectiveness is true. I tend to believe the first two
options above as I STILL continue to improve on MMS!
I continue to improve in terms of my sleep (deeper and longer
reversing some of my insomnia), my energy during the day is about 10%
better which is significant for me! And MMS removed my small
intestinal blockage which I had been suffering from for years! I
eliminated all kinds of gross stuff, so I hope no one is eating as
they are reading this appetizing post! =o) But my digestion seems to
be less strained and tiresome. I used fall asleep after meals alot! I
have a slightly better appetite as well! I also noticed that my liver
now seems to be moving stuff down the common bile duct. I suspect
this is due to the fact that there is lots of grumbling and movement
in that area. And this is verified by Hep C sufferers reporting
improved liver function.

I however am a complicated Lyme case as I have had Lyme for 18 years
with multiple motor vehicle accidents and am now likely suffering from
multiple pre-diagnostically verified diseases. So even if Lyme is
eliminated from my body I still have residual symptoms from those
undiagnosed disease/illnesses. I'm a patient guy and I expect to be
100% recovered within a year thanks to IRT and MMS!

Ok enough typing my fingers are falling off which MMS can NOT CURE!

Love to all,
Bradness


--- In lymetopics@yahoogroups.com, "Meredith W." <meredithbw@...> wrote:
>
> so you dont ever go to 30 drops in one day with dr. hesselinks
protocol? Is
> there a way to contact dr. H? I will relook at the site that Bard
sent but i
> didnt see any phone numbers or conatact info. if you have it please
post.
>
> On 12/12/07, Troy Cline <visitspirochete@...> wrote:
> >
> > Connie, Dr Hesselink (spelling), recommends doing 15 drops every
second
> > day. For instance, take 15 in the morning,, the next day do
nothing and
> > then take 15 the second morning, this is what Brad and I did, very
> > effective, the pathogens get surprised. You will probably herx at one
> > point. Troy boy
> >
> > *Connie <conniekillbug@...>* wrote:
> >
> > Hey Brad,
> >
> > How does Jim recommend pulsing MMS?
> > Did you start with 15 drops or ramp up?
> > I'm going to give this a go tomorrow...
> >
> > Thanks for all the latest! :)
> > Hugs,
> >
> > Connie
> > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> >
> > > Hey Meredith,
> > > I feel kinda like a goof now. I think I was having a
> > > neuro herx when i typed that. wowzers! =\
> > > Glad you got some info out of it at least.
> > > B
> > >
> > > --- In lymetopics@yahoogroups.com <lymetopics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Meredith W." <meredithbw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Brad - this is great. Much apprecaited. I am not really
> > > interested in
> > > > arguing with thsisguy I just want the BT patients in my group
to have
> > > > another alternative to consider in their arsenal. They dont get a
> > lot of
> > > > time!
> > > > :o) VEry good education for me too! Cheers!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/11/07, ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes you can reply by saying, Dr Hesselink's website contains
> > > > > significant amounts of info on MMS biochemistry. He's an MD
who uses
> > > > > MMS and is excessively impressed with it. He now feels he can
> > > > > effectively treat Lyme patients with MMS whereas before
> > discovering it
> > > > > he stayed away from us Lymies like the plague because nothing he
> > used
> > > > > seemed to work.
> > > > > http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXhome.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Expecting peer reviewed literature for something like this
would be
> > > > > silly as only 10% of prescription drugs have achieved this same
> > > > > standard. And alternative medicine of all different kinds
rarely if
> > > > > ever get the scientific attention or funding for such studies.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that MMS is volatile/explosive and as a bleaching agent
> > > > > doesn't mean anything. The same can be said for food grade
hydrogen
> > > > > peroxide (80% H2O2 is so volatile/explosive it is used by
the Air
> > > > > Force especially on Air Craft Carriers as JATO Jet Assisted
Takeoff
> > > > > Unit) yet MD's use diluted 35% H2O2 in IV's quite
successfully to
> > > > > fight infection. AND our own immune system uses Hydrogen
Peroxide to
> > > > > facilitate Respiratory Bursts (one function of Neutrophils) and
> > > > > killing pathogens during phagocytosis. By the way H2O2 is
also used
> > > > > as an industrial bleaching agent.
> > > > >
> > > > > One by-product of Chlorine Dioxide (activated MMS) is
> > Hypochlorus Acid
> > > > > (can be further broken down into Hydrochloric Acid and a singlet
> > > > > Ozygen atom) both of which the immune system also uses to kill
> > > > > pathogens (facilitates Neutrophil activity). HCL has amazing
> > benefits
> > > > > systemically as well, some have used HCL IV's very successfully
> > for a
> > > > > non-toxic pathogen killer (why else does the human body produce
> > HCL in
> > > > > the stomach than to kill pathogens entering the alimentary
canal).
> > > > >
> > > > > Chlorine Dioxide has many impressive uses including use as a
> > more safe
> > > > > chemical when compared to Chlorine:
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide
> > > > >
> > > > > He or she states: "Related compounds include sodium chloride
> > which is
> > > > > the sterilization mechanism used in many public water
systems, and
> > > > > NaCLO3, sodium chlorate, which is an herbicide (and favorite
> > > > > bomb-making component for terrorists). This stuff is explosive.
> > > > > Literally."
> > > > > Sodium Chloride is table salt (NaCl) I hardly see this as
being a
> > > > > hazardous chemical.
> > > > > Sodium Chlorate is not manufactured by the body from Chlorine
> > Dioxide.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no evidence to indicate that Chlorine Dioxide is
harmful to
> > > > > healthy tissues. If anything the opposite is true since
there are
> > > > > thousands of testimonials showing that it is Benefiting not
Harming
> > > > > the body. Making the excuse that this is Anecdotal evidence is
> > > > > typical medical jargon to label everything that is not sold
by big
> > > > > pharma as quackery and belittles the progress of the many
people who
> > > > > have cured "incurable" diseases.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > > ps If Humble did say he invented the garage door opener (which I
> > don't
> > > > > remember reading anywhere) then he was showing his dry often
> > > > > misinterpreted sense of humour.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can ya'll send me the links on the research you found on MMS?
> > I just
> > > > > > recieved this from another group and Id like to point them
to the
> > > > > reseach
> > > > > > info. Also does Jim Humble claim to be the inventor of the
> > > garage door
> > > > > > opener? As long as he doesnt claim to have invented the
> > "internets"
> > > > > - b/c
> > > > > > we all know Al Gore did that! ;o)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thsi is what he wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > In many ways, MMS looks to be snake oil:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --The product has "miracle" in the name
> > > > > > --Claims to cure a wide variety of completely different
diseases,
> > > > > > including "AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB,
most
> > > cancer
> > > > > > and many more of mankind's worse diseases."
> > > > > > --No scientific data for it appears in peer-reviewed journals
> > > > > > --Uses an acronym already in use by an existing,
legitimate chemo
> > > > > > substance called methyl methanesulfonate.
> > > > > > --The inventor offers vague credentials and background,
> > > including the
> > > > > > claim that he first invented the automatic garage door opener,
> > which
> > > > > > is simply not true unless he's over 100 years old and
changed his
> > > > > > name.
> > > > > > --The constituent chemical is reported to be NaCLO2, sodium
> > > chlorite,
> > > > > > which is a known oxidizing agent used primarily in the paper
> > > industry
> > > > > > to bleach paper. Related compounds include sodium chloride
> > which is
> > > > > > the sterilization mechanism used in many public water
systems, and
> > > > > > NaCLO3, sodium chlorate, which is an herbicide (and favorite
> > > > > > bomb-making component for terrorists). This stuff is
explosive.
> > > > > > Literally.
> > > > > > --There is no evidence that it crosses the blood-brain
barrier.
> > > > > > --It may harm healthy cells to the same degree it kills cancer
> > > cells,
> > > > > > if it does work
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the plus side:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Sodium chlorite doesn't seem to kill you if you ingest a
> > > little, but
> > > > > > even the maker touts the fact that it makes you nauseous,
and in
> > > fact
> > > > > > uses nausea as a dose-determining factor.
> > > > > > --It's possible that because sodium chlorite is so toxic to so
> > many
> > > > > > organic life-forms that it could poison cancer cells without
> > killing
> > > > > > you first.
> > > > > > --I've often wondered myself if a buffered, chlorine-based
> > substance
> > > > > > could be used to kill cancer if it could somehow be made to
> > > > > > differentiate between healthy and cancerous cells.
> > > > > > --People like you have tested it and been happy with the
results,
> > > > > > apparently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But overall, this seems like something I would be highly
> > careful of
> > > > > using.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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