Hi Marc,

I agree that it is good to keep things simple.

I find it helpful to know that 1/4 teaspoon of the Krystal Salt I've
been using is about 1.5 grams of sodium chloride.

The salt tablets are the simplest way to get an accurate dose and to
get 1 gram at a time. I just got a bottle of 1000.

Hello Marc,
I was wondering if it would be helpful to use some kind of amino acid
or collagen supplement along with the s/c, etc.  to repair connective
tissue damage caused by parasites?  Thanks!
Muysana

Fascinating. I am thinking my bp may be going up too but I won't
worry too much about it. My head feels pressurey and my
heartbeat "stronger" ie I can feel it. I Just feel bizarre-del-mundo
but its okay, I can do my work.

I think...if it happens so fast...part of this is some kind of
electrical signalling...or energetic. I really do like the combo
together. I must say the krystal, definitely, is stronger than
celtic. So I am going to keep with the krystal at 2 a day for now and
then maybe in a week try 3 a day.

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<lymestrategies@w...> wrote:
> Hi Jill,
>
> This happened last night too. I did my 1/4 tsp krystal salt and 1/4
tsp
> vitamin c, 16 oz water, drank it all down fast.
> my left upper jaw where there was tooth infection (pulled) years
ago
> throbs, my chest feels...tight or pressure-y...there is also
discomfort on
> the left side of my neck and more neck creaks and I feel slightly
nauseous.
> How can it work so fast? Marc???? THis is 5-10 m after drinking it.
> --------------------
> Isn't it wild?  At one point I had an area in my left foot that was
> affected and I could take my Vit C, then have the salt tab in my
mouth,
> sort of sublingual, and hadn't even swallowed it yet - and in less
than a
> minute the foot area was 'reacting'.  I believe for the microbes it
is like
> animals in a woods smelling smoke and starting to panicking and
stampeding
> long before the forest fire arrives.
>
> All the best,
>
> Marc

This happened last night too. I did my 1/4 tsp krystal salt and 1/4
tsp vitamin c, 16 oz water, drank it all down fast.

my left upper jaw where there was tooth infection (pulled) years ago
throbs, my chest feels...tight or pressure-y...there is also
discomfort on the left side of my neck and more neck creaks and I
feel slightly nauseous. How can it work so fast? Marc???? THis is 5-
10 m after drinking it.

Marc
I was using reg. Vit C which caused alot of bladder burning. So, I am
getting Buffered C and was wondering if I could do a lower dose of
vit C when doing the salt (1/4tsp real salt twice per day)  I didn't
have a problem with the salt (actually seemed to help the bladder)
But, don't know how important the ratio is for the vitC/salt together.
Thanks for info
Teresa

PS:  I also use a vegetable broth during the same fast, using
celery, carrots, beets, burdock, parsley, spinach, 1 small yam.
I also strain and dilute it.  I find this really nourishing during a
fast.   I can't do all juices due to candida.
mtherese


On Jan 29, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Bernadette Irr wrote:

> My ears drain all the time. I think this is a good
>  sign, the mucous, or bugs comming out.  I too am on a
>  juice fast. I do two fruits and two vegetables.  I
>  make the vegetables all at once and put them in
>  tightly sealed jars. It is not easy to give up
>  appitite but jucing fasting is very healing and
>  energizing.
>
>  Vegetables: I juice 1 turnip, 1 clove garlic, 1/2
>  bunch parsley, 1/2 head cabbage, 2 carrots and 2
>  celery.
>
>  I am jucing while on the salt and colon cleansing
>  also.
>
>  Bernadette
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I like the carrot, beet and ginger combination and try to use
alot of parsley as well to clean the blood.  I always dilute it
with at least 1/3 cup of water, sometimes 1/2.  When I can't get
to my juicer, I use organic juices that I strain . . . . .  knudsen
vegetable juice, cran raz,  morning blend . . .    good luck.
mtherese

On Jan 29, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Bernadette Irr wrote:

> My ears drain all the time. I think this is a good
>  sign, the mucous, or bugs comming out.  I too am on a
>  juice fast. I do two fruits and two vegetables.  I
>  make the vegetables all at once and put them in
>  tightly sealed jars. It is not easy to give up
>  appitite but jucing fasting is very healing and
>  energizing.
>
>  Vegetables: I juice 1 turnip, 1 clove garlic, 1/2
>  bunch parsley, 1/2 head cabbage, 2 carrots and 2
>  celery.
>
>  I am jucing while on the salt and colon cleansing
>  also.
>
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Would a supplement of essential fatty acids have any impact on the
dryness?
mtherese

On Jan 29, 2005, at 6:34 PM, roseagain wrote:

>  
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Hi Rosemary,
>
> Hi Gang,
>  I am very slowly building up the dose of salt & C.  I am still
> extremely dry in nose, eyes, throat, mouth & lungs.  Finding it hard
> to cope.  However, every time I take a dose of salt & C, I get
> pin-prick sensations all over me.  It feels like tiny ants biting me. 
> I believe this treatment is working. 
>  Rosemary.
> -----------------------------
>  Yes, the reactions are consistent with the S/C is going to work and
> impacting microbes.  You are doing exactly right in the low, slow
> approach - it is efficacy over speed with this protocol.
> It’s amazing!  Even when I only take half a 600mg salt tablet, I still
> get the biting & itching for hours.  It makes me think I must have a
> very high load of these things.
>
>
>  The specialized supp I mentioned to you is in route.
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>
>  The situation you describe is consistent with salivary glands that
> have become insulted.  Saliva naturally supplies enzymes and is
> oxygen-rich, so the deficiency of it tries to allow microbes to
> increase.  However, your low, steady, careful approach with the S/C
> (especially the hunza type) is lethal to these - as well as the S can
> encourage moisture to be drawn in and held more in cells. 
>
>  To be honest, I thought I was going to die this last few weeks.  And
> I have asked God to take me home many times.  I have been in a huge
> relapse for about 2 months.  My eyes, nose, mouth, lungs & skin are so
> incredibly dry.  I have trouble breathing, swallowing, talking & just
> coping.  It’s been hell on earth.  I can hear my lungs crackling when
> I breath!
>
> My doctor suggested trying a nebuliser with sodium chloride to
> re-hydrate the lungs.  This is definitely helping.  Using the sodium
> chloride in the nebuliser gave me the courage to try the salt & C
> protocol.  Usually salt dries me out even more.  However, the sodium
> chloride tablets are different.
>
> I am on day 6.  I started with just a quarter of a 600mg tablet and am
> ramping it up slowly.  I am convinced this is working.  I have had
> large patches of psoriasis on my leg for 6 years.  Every thing has
> been drying up.  This morning I noticed the psoriasis is nearly gone!
>
> I am still house-bound and very ill, but I believe I have finally
> turned the corner. Wouldn’t it be great if this is a cure for
> Sjogrens’!!!!!
>
>  
>
> Use more C with the salt is for now - it makes immune cells more
> active, increases white cells, oxygenates, improves circulation, etc. 
> 2g each time totally fine, the time-released type best for this
> situation.
>
>  If its possible, spirulina can help supply a multitude of raw
> materials in one item to counter the deficiencies behind the insult. 
> One being - the amount and type of saliva secretion depends on the
> activity of both the para sympathetic and sympathetic nervous system,
> and things like Primerose oil and others can help with this.  Well,
> spirulina contains more GAL and other items than primrose oil too.
>
>  I the meantime, some general provisos that you no doubt know in
> general, but just to itemize:
>  1.  No commercial any dry mouth aids or oral products which contain
> Alcohol and/or Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.
>
> Check.
>
>
>  2.  No coffee or caffeine items (including teas).
>
> Check.
>
>
>  3.  No citrus juices (tomato, orange, grapefruit, etc.)
>
> Yes, I have noticed that anything acidic makes it much worse.
>
>
>  4.  Veggie/fruit juices are different story - is structured water
> that is like cell water.  Watermelon juice is very hydrating as is
> pear.  Water-containing fresh veggies (cucumber, jicama, etc.) also
> containing structured, plant water in terms of raw food.
>
> I am surviving on small blended salad & slimy fruits.  I can’t swallow
> much else.
>
>
>  5.  Aloe Vera Juice, if possible, very beneficial, especially if held
> in the mouth for long periods while doing other things (absorbs right
> into the myriad of blood vessels into the jaw, gland, head area.
>
> Yes, we grow our own Aloe Vera and have been adding it to juice this
> last few days.  It seems to be helping.
>
>
>  6.  Good pure water (ozonated water very good if available). 
>
>  We have filtered & boiled tank water.
>
>
>  7.  Hold off Rifing. 
>
>  Yes, I agree.  It’s too much at the moment.
>
>
>
>  Onward & upward,
>
>  Marc
> Thanks Marc,
>
> I’ll keep you posted,
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Rosemary.
>
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> experiential data shared as regards the experimental salt/C oral
> protocol.
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Lyme effects my digestive track most of all. I know
that I must really watch what I eat and I try to juice
fast often. I beleive that what you think about how
the Lyme is most affecting you is a good gut instict,
no pun intended :-) THe reason you have the cravings
is to feed the buggers! Your craving what keeps them
alive!

Bernadette




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Marc and any others,
I'm wondering about people's experience in retesting with the Bowen.
Marc, during your extended and varied journey with lyme, have you
periodically retested with the Bowen test? If so, may I ask about the
results?  Have you tested since you've been "out of the woods" with
the Salt/C?
Edie

Hi Sue,
I find it helps if you take it after food.  Sometimes I dissolve the salt
tabs in water & then mix them in mashed potato.  Yum!  Are you taking the
sodium chloride tablets?  I find even the Hunza salt really dries me out,
whereas, the salt tablets are helping to re-hydrate me.  I believe you have
to take the pure sodium chloride tablets.
Rosemary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sue-ellen Hassler [mailto:shassler64@...]
Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 9:50 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [lymestrategies] Day 7.

Hi!
Glad to hear that you think this is working.Shall try it again.Have to put
up with the nausea.

Keep up the good work,

Take care,Sue.

>From: "roseagain" <roseagain@...>
>Reply-To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
>To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [lymestrategies] Day 7.
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:04:51 +1100
>
>Dear Gang,
>
>I am on day 7 of the salt & C.  I am noticing marked changes for the
>better.
>I have had a big patch of Psoriasis on my leg for 6 years.  In the last 2
>days it has almost completely gone!  The skin had been all puckered as
>though it was being sucked into my leg.  Now it's only a small dry patch!
>The horrible headache I've had for 2 months is finally gone.  I was also
>having extreme vertigo which has caused me to fall over a few times
>recently.  This is much better.  I actually slept last night without
>choking.  For weeks I have had to prop myself up in order to breath &
>swallow.  I still have tightness in my lungs & had to use the nebuliser
>today, but I can feel an improvement.  This stuff is working!  I can feel
>bites all over me!  It's like something out of the X-Files!!!!!  LOL!!!!
>
>Rosemary.
>
>
>





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From: Dana Black [mailto:danablack@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:35 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [lymestrategies] Bradford in TX area

Hi Jan and Marc-

Just FYI: I go to Dr. Haese. He's great-a "wild and crazy" older German guy and VERY into the Bradford stuff (I live about 35 miles away in El Paso TX). The doc is also very interested in the salt/C protocol and is probably waiting to see how I do with it. He also does quite a bit of EDTA chelation in his office. He was a very good allopath, but when his wife ended up with clogged arteries, he got into chelation and more alternative stuff from there. He's one of those guys that is really excited about what he's doing, and he's moderately Lyme literate. Also, he'll work with you-not at all arrogant or stuck in his ways. Overall, pretty cool. A long way from places like Dallas or Houston, though. . .

Regards,

Dana B.

 

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Hi Jan


Marc,
I'm wondering if there is anyone in Texas that has a Bradford microscope so that those of us down here could get the same kind of blood analysis that you had done.  Thanks for all the work you do.
Jan
---------------------------
Here is the contact info from my friend.  The practitioner is actually in New Mexico, which I hope is not to far away.
Wolfgang Haese in  Las Cruces, New Mexico. 
Believe the number is 505-373-8415.

All the best,

Marc






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From: Brenda Sederberg [mailto:brenda@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 9:39 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Digest Number 63

My Bowen test was positive, but was 1:16 - quite low. However I have MS and I can barely walk. I wonder is the spirochetes were not in the blood so much but had moved to the nervous system, therefore were not counted as much, but are having a big impact, Possible? (I also tested positive for babesia)

Brenda

On Jan 29, 2005, at 7:31 PM, lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Marc,

A good explanation I got was from Dr.Jones who said if you do a PPD (Tuberculosis test) on people in NY, almost everybody will test positive. But not everybody will have the active infection. Similarly, Bowen will show positive for almost everybody , but the ones that have high numbers AND have clinical symptoms have the active infection.

Jay

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:26 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] 2 doses a day

Hi Jill,

Marc...re: Bernadette's blood pressure, has this happened with others? Her heart rate calmed down but bp rose?
--------------------
Yes, we have had folks see a rise within a herx.  However, we encourage folks to watch for themselves and keep notes, so they can see for themselves how it can vary. 

All the best,

Marc



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Hi, everyone

  Jane here, I was bitten by a tick about 11 years ago in Australia... when
'they didn't have lyme there'... hm.. right...  well it was the usualy
scenario, gradually declining and doing a job as a longhaul cabin crew .. a
lot of fatigue and symptoms were written off to Jet lag, ageing (ouch),
vaccinations, etc. .. but when I finally went to see Dr. Shoemaker in
Maryland www.chronicneurotoxins.com after completing his online eye contrast
sensitivity test which tests for the possiblity of neurotoxins which turned
out positive I just bit the bullet and went there.

  This test is just done at your computer 16" from the screen and takes about
15 mins.. its only about £7 and well worth the money.. it was pivotal in my
getting a proper diagnosis after 11 years.

  Once face to face he redid the the CS eye test and then took blood for lots
of different tests.  he also picked up the reason I was weeing all night
long and was always thirsty (we nearly all have some degree of diabetes
insipidus... note this is not sugar diabetes) so his recommendation of one
spray of Desmopressin nasal spray has put paid to getting up 10 times a
night... I never knew I had a problem .. til it went away.

Another thing he nearly allways finds is a coag negative staph infection in
the sinuses.. this is almost impossible to treat with antibiotics.. the
neurotoxins that this gives off also suppresses the hypothalamus and then
its a downward spiral with all the hormonal systems being affected, when MSH
is cleaved then we have problems everywhere, mucous production, adrenal,
thyroid, pituitary, pineal (no melatonin .. hence sleep problems), decrease
in sex hormones, no endorphins to block pain... no wonder the slightest
trauma sends us in a spin..  No wonder he won Physician of the Year a couple
of years ago!.

I have since been to see our Dr. here in the UK and it has been also
confirmed on live blood analysis and if that wasn't enough.. I sent the
blood to bowen labs in the US..  (did I say I was in denial about my
diagnosis?)... so now I believe it..

for the past 3 months I was doing the Marshall protocol but my becoming
allergic to minocycline meant a premature end.. I was considering the Jadin
protocol.. but this vit c/salt therapy sounds more up my street.. despite
being a former SRN I do like to stay off the chemicals as much as possible.

I called my pharmacist to ask if he could get hold of some sodium chloride
tablets, but he said he had not seen or heard of them for years.. if he
draws a blank could someone in the UK tell me what my next option is either
in the UK or ordering from abroad.. ?

Also is there an optimum brand of Vit C that one could recommend.

many thanks for any tips on starting this protocol.

I am sure I shall learn much more than I shall be able to contribute but if
there is anyone with any questions.. feel free to post or do a private
e-mail

cheers
jane

Thx for all the discussion. Frankly 1/4 tsp of krystal salt with C is
strong for me anyway, stronger than celtic salt by far. So I'll stick
with that. I felt pretty weird last night. But I use my chee energy
device as said on infrared on the base of my spine and can sleep
which is something of a miracle when I'm herxy and wired. Well I will
take my morning dose now.