I am interested in some feedback on water systems that are best. And places to
purchase the equipment.

Hi and Welcome Kirsten,

I am sorry you are in such bad shape.  Keep reading the archives(old posts) and
maybe you will find something to help you.

You may want to check out Brad's posts and story.  He is a living miracle. He
used a lot of clay baths and charcoal to detox the mercury from his body and
WOW!.

Keep Smiling
g_





--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "harmonyetc" <ekolsen5@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.  I'm Kirsten.  I'm currently in a wheelch from advanced chronic lyme.  I
was misdx'd for 5 years with everything from ms to chronic fatigue/fibro and
mercury poison.  Meanwhile my health deteriorated to the point I couldn't walk. 
Everytime I got a misdx something said no, that's not it and I said bye to the
naturopath who wanted to push their products on me.  I've not done allopathic
medicine for about 20y and don't even consider it an option.
>
> When at last I found someone who was experienced with Lyme from having had it
and studied it my heart said yes!finally! but not being able to constantly pay
her I am now on my own.  I use Samento.  I used salt/C for a while with great
results (except for the herx) and consider going back but am not sure it will
help w/ the other layers of toxicity I've been dealing w/ like candida.  I'll be
reading and will accept and consider any offered advise.  :) K
>

Hi Everyone!

Anyone tried Immune Response Training? I guess if it worked people wouldnt be on
here!Any thoughts on it?
Mel

> >
> > >Does anyone have experience treating mercury poisoning in addition to lyme?
> > >I have come to understand the two are linked and that it is advantageous
> > >to chelate mercury while treating lyme as the lyme may release some
> > >mercury when there is die-off and redistribute the mercury.
> > >I am particularly interested in those who started treating their lyme
> > >before they chelated and am seeking advice or experience as to whether I
> > >should start the saltC before I am able to chelate. I am still working on
> > >amalgam removal. Thanks in advance for input!
> > >Blessings~


> > --------------------------------
> > I successfully healed myself of Lyme with the S/C while carrying four very
> > deep and old amalgams in my mouth (a couple thermometers worth). I only
> > recently had the amalgams removed, five years after healing from Lyme (just
> > had the opportunity to do so with a good practitioner).
> > I have seen others heal from Lyme too without handling their
> > amalgams. However, I always encourage using a good metals assist while
> > healing as it can only help overall. Where a person knows specifically
> > they have metal poisoning (high heavy metal toxification) then focused
> > address is necessary.
> >
> > Where there is metals presence but is not acute toxification, I encourage
> > the use of Modifilan (a concentrated brown seaweed extract developed in
> > Russia by a group of scientists who worked in the State Rehabilitation
> > Institute, where victims of the Chernobyl nuclear catastrophe underwent
> > treatment). You can find it reasonably-priced online. It naturally binds
> > to, and removes, heavy metals, radiation, etc. and in my experience binds
> > better than the EDTA, DMPS (avoid these!), alpha lipoic acid, etc. items
> > commonly seen - thus no poorly-bound "redistribution". Additionally, it
> > supports the immune, lowers cholesterol, is anti-cancer and being high in
> > organic iodine, feeds the thyroid which is often deficient in Lymies.
> > As a co-adjunct I recommend Fulvic Acid. Fulvic Acid is also a natural
> > item that is effective in decreasing absorption of, and increasing
> > elimination of, heavy metals. It is a powerful detoxifier and antioxidant
> > capable of transporting molecules heavier than itself. FA binds with toxic
> > heavy metals, as well as other pollutants, and carries them out of the
> > body. As well as its detoxifying properties, FA makes cell walls more
> > permeable, meaning that your body is better able to absorb and utilize
> > nutrients. Minerals that interact with fulvic acid also have increased
> > bioavailability and are more easily assimilated.
> >
> >
> > Onward & upward,
> >
> > Marc

----- Original Message -----

From: paul steel

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:21 AM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Non-S-C hcl hydrochloric acid

 

Hi All
Looking to buy this.

Does anyone take this in a pill form? If so where can i get some.

Thanks
Paul

I too take milk thistle when I feel to.  my biggest thing is listening to my
body tell me what it wants.  I had severe mercury poisoning and it was the
elimination of most of it that, that even allowed the borrelia to take over
after I'd carried it 'benign' since I was 13y old.  I understand that merc helps
suppress symptoms.  I couldn't imagine why detoxing that wouldn't make me feel
better insted of worse!  Now I understand better the symbiosis.  I do a delicate
balance with chelation/detoxing microorgs so neither gets to me and I don't get
too sick.  I'm looking forward to getting function of my nervous systen back
however much I can....K


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...> wrote:
>
> K,
>
> So sorry these ugly bugs have gotten to you so badly. I too use Cat's claw,
> a bit of salt/c, andrographis, knotweed and milk thistle with dandelion -
> all of which I make my own capsules.
>
> If you have mercury, are you doing tons of detox? Coffee enemas? followed by
> green drinks?
>
> For my fatigue, I have added intrinsic B-12, B-125 complex, Folapro, and
> thyroid. In act I have had to raise my thyroid as it was still showing up
> low on the tests.
>
> My understanding of this whole process is - keep doing what works; layer by
> layer; with the goal of feeling "better" - not fantastic necessarily, but
> better.
>
> Be well,
>
> Nancy W
>
>   _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of harmonyetc
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:24 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] introducing myself
>
>
>
>
> Hi. I'm Kirsten. I'm currently in a wheelch from advanced chronic lyme. I
> was misdx'd for 5 years with everything from ms to chronic fatigue/fibro and
> mercury poison. Meanwhile my health deteriorated to the point I couldn't
> walk. Everytime I got a misdx something said no, that's not it and I said
> bye to the naturopath who wanted to push their products on me. I've not done
> allopathic medicine for about 20y and don't even consider it an option.
>
> When at last I found someone who was experienced with Lyme from having had
> it and studied it my heart said yes!finally! but not being able to
> constantly pay her I am now on my own. I use Samento. I used salt/C for a
> while with great results (except for the herx) and consider going back but
> am not sure it will help w/ the other layers of toxicity I've been dealing
> w/ like candida. I'll be reading and will accept and consider any offered
> advise. :) K
>

Hi All
Looking to buy this.

Does anyone take this in a pill form? If so where can i get some.

Thanks
Paul

I am soooo very happy for you and your son.  What an incredible example you are
to all of us moms.  Your son has benefited greatly from your hard work,
determination, love and wisdom.  Great job, mom.  It is amazing to see what
these natural things will do.  Keep up the good work.  Best Wishes in the future
- it will be exciting to see what your little one does in life....thanks to you.
Enjoy each moment of progress...

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Cwah <3carolyn@...> wrote:
>
> I did salt/c for 3 years with my now almost 7 year old. you would cry
> if you could the picture of vibrance he is.
>
> It was one of the best things we did. He had Lyme induced autism, so
> we spent a fortune.
>
> I credit salt/c and hard chamber HBOT (high pressure 2.4-2.8) with the
> brunt of his recovery.
> He is doing amazingly well. He is not typical. He is exceptional.
> A child I never dreamed the rest of the world would be able to see.
>
> We were at 3G a day within 6 months and then just held there. He had
> die off and regression at times, but always followed by progress. By
> the 2nd year, the fluctuations were more subtle, but of course, having
> misssed the chance to celebrate so many typical developments, I was
> very aware of them.
>
> We did diets (which I think are key with Lyme). And complete digestive
> enzymes. All organic period...First we went gluten/casein/soy/corn
> free back when he was 3.... Apples set him off so I eliminated all
> high salycilates and high phenol foods, then SCD and eventually GAPs.
> I recommend everyone read Nourishing Traditions. Fermented raw foods
> can speed the process along (research microbial nutrition, BED, etc I
> didn't subscribe wholly to any one raw/fermented approach, but read
> everything I could find and incorporated what I saw as important). We
> used candex and high dose biotin for building his flora up. We did
> epsom salt baths (although now I would use td magnesium by combining
> DMSO and magnesium chloride). Detoxing with FIR sauna and ionic foot
> baths. Supplements and Chelation. Castor oil packs lately seem to make
> him really happy. Lots of physical activity and rebounding for Lymph
> drainage. I would also recommend opening yourself and those around you
> that are sick to being healed. It will happen. Celebrate what has
> worked and it will expand. Focus on what doesn't and it will take a
> stronger hold.
>
> We have a chronic enlarged tonsil problem, and that is all that is
> left. He is great. I am told the tonsils will shrink over time now
> that the Lymph can drain from the head.
> He takes biotin, p5p and elderberry now. That is it.
>
> With digestion, I was recently told by a great man that his digestive
> issues stemmed directly from the inflammation in his brain caused by
> the alignment of his skull bones. He worked on my son's head and told
> me that he would be able to eat anything he wants within a few weeks.
> He was totally sure. I was totally skeptical. Emotionally he shifted
> and started expressing things I have never seen before. I have opened
> his diet to include sprouted grains (a big no no in the past) with no
> problems. He can eat apples and nothing happens. I even let him have
> ice cream with the cub scouts.. and again nothing happened. This was
> maybe the 2nd or 3rd time in his life he has had sugar... and then
> there's the casein in the milk, etc etc. I have given him regular
> oats, no problem. That is as far as I have gone, but this was only 3
> weeks ago... I will say in the past any dietary infraction would
> produce a huge reaction (he was given 1/2 a glass of apple cider at
> school last year and was hitting kids by lunchtime- very very
> uncharacteristic for him).
>
> I had taken my son to the Upleger institute in Palm Beach Fl when he
> was 2 or 3 because I know all babies should have their skull bones
> checked. A variety of neurological issues (ADD, dyslexia, etc) can be
> healed with this kind of approach. This was before I knew i had given
> him Lyme in utero. My sister was severely dyslexic 30 years ago- and
> this work changed her life.... I am not sure why they did not see what
> was happening, or maybe it wasn't happening yet. But we all get where
> we need to be when we are ready to be there.
>
> I am grateful for where I am.
> And I am deeply grateful that he has a choice!
> He has spent so much of his childhood, controlled by the pathogen load
> in his body. He has had no choice behaviorally, sensorially,
> emotionally.
> I am grateful to the brave moms that did this with their kids before
> me and endured my countless questions. I emailed those women for 8
> months before I would even try it.
> DON'T WAIT! Salt and c won't hurt your child!
> I am grateful for the people who decided accepting this illness was
> not good enough.
> I am grateful to the people who spent their life energy developing and
> sharing and refining the protocol.
> I am grateful for the tolerance that everyone has their own path and
> what works is different for different people at different times.
> I am happy to help anyone in any way I can.
> Carolyn
>

I got whole big bags of stinging nettle and peppermint for tea.  I've been
drinking a cup of strong tea, probably twice as much peppermint as nettle,
mixed, every night before bed (the mint makes you sleepy).  Since using it, I've
noticed that I feel a lot more motivated to do things.  I fall asleep as soon as
my head hits the pillow.  Our dog is yapping at wildlife every morning at 4 am,
waking me up then, and I've been not only functional but really feeling alert
and clear-headed, despite only sleeping 6 hours a night.  (maybe the dog needs
some tea too!).  I think this one is a good thing, and also a very pleasant
remedy to try.

I read on some website about a bunch of "remedies" using a mixture of honey and
cinnamon.  It sounded yummy so I decided to give that a go and see if I noticed
any benefit.  One of the remedies was to make a mix of 1 part cinnamon to 2
parts RAW honey and take 1/2 teaspoon of it first thing in the morning and just
before bed.  It was supposed to take inches off the waist but no weight loss -
explanation was it reduced inflammation in the GI.  It seems to actually be
doing that somehow, I've been feeling very calm in the gut lately and my jeans
fit better, and that's less than a month after coming off antibiotics.

Stinging nettle is an excellent herb for all-around use - see this article for
some general information:

http://www.zhion.com/herb/Stinging_Nettle.html

And cinnamon - amazing - they even mention the cinnamon/honey remedy!

http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/10-health-benefits-of-cinnamon.html

Hi.  I'm Kirsten.  I'm currently in a wheelch from advanced chronic lyme.  I was
misdx'd for 5 years with everything from ms to chronic fatigue/fibro and mercury
poison.  Meanwhile my health deteriorated to the point I couldn't walk. 
Everytime I got a misdx something said no, that's not it and I said bye to the
naturopath who wanted to push their products on me.  I've not done allopathic
medicine for about 20y and don't even consider it an option.

When at last I found someone who was experienced with Lyme from having had it
and studied it my heart said yes!finally! but not being able to constantly pay
her I am now on my own.  I use Samento.  I used salt/C for a while with great
results (except for the herx) and consider going back but am not sure it will
help w/ the other layers of toxicity I've been dealing w/ like candida.  I'll be
reading and will accept and consider any offered advise.  :) K

Jack's post is essentially correct, however, low thyroid leads to leaky gut, not
the other way around. When body temperature is low, metabolism is impaired and
some foods are not completely digested. Foods will collect in the folds of the
intestine and will begin to rot. The milieu (soil) of the intestines then
becomes a fertile ground for the proliferation of pathogens of which Candida
albicons is a major component. Candida is a natural fungus that we require to
break down sugars and alcohols. By introducing halides such as bromine, fluorine
and chlorine into the system, iodine is displaced and not enough of it is
available to produce the thyroid hormone thyroxine.

As Candida multiplies due to a lack of normal intestinal flora which would keep
it in check, the result being that the gut wall becomes leaky because of the
hyphae (tentacles) of the fungus that poke holes in the intestinal walls.

If this process remains unchecked over a long period of time, the body fluids
become contaminated with undigested proteins which triggers inflammation and
causes lymph flow to become sluggish. When lymphatic flow fails to remove the
toxins of cellular metabolism, the cells suffocate and this activity leads to
cancer.

The mechanism of cancer was discovered in the 1920s leading to the 1931 Nobel
Prize for Dr. Otto Warburg. In his 1966 speech to the Nobel Laureates he
described the cure for cancer. He knew of the work of Max Gerson who developed
the Gerson dietary protocol that has saved the lives of tens of thousands of
cancer victims who were told their condition was hopeless. Many lived full lives
and died from old age, and not from cancer. Carmi Hazen (google me).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "homedinger" <jackdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cynthia Sidner.  She is amazing, goes way beyond what MD's do.  In fact,
I've completely lost faith in MD's, but have some of them as my closest friends
from the days, long ago, when I edited a newsletter for Physicians for Social
Responsibility.
>
> It was one of my physician friends who recommeded Cynthia to me, and he told
me I probably would have had my prostate removed if I had gone to a physician
instead, since it is swollen from leaky gut.  Now I have a good feel for what is
behind it all.
>
> For those with the symptoms, and I've read a lot of them in this group, leaky
gut breaks down the thyroid (your temperature will be low from this), adrenal
gland will quit from being overworked (so your emotions will be out of control)
and it is easy to spot in a live blood analysis, because the red cells will be
stuck together in large clumps.
>
> One cause likely in this group is Candida overgrowth because the Lyme
spirochete turns off that part of the immune system that keeps Candida in check.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Cindi Callanan" <cindicallanan@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jack,
> >
> > Are you talking about Cynthia Sidner?  She's doing blood microscopy w/lyme
in Va. Beach... what a coincidence (or not) that would be.  I'm hoping she's
coming to the Teasel training in Maryland in November.
> >
> > Thanks,  Cindi
> >
> > Cindi Callanan, MsT, CST, BEC
> > Power Wellness Solutions
> > Integrative Wellness Consultant/Health Coach
> > National Cleansing Coach
> > 410-771-4994 O
> > 443-980-7369 Cell
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: homedinger
> >   To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:14 AM
> >   Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Maureen/Anne/Jack / psychiatric lyme
> >
> >
> >     Leonie,
> >
> >   You might look into whether or not you have leaky gut. It is common when
pathogens take over your small intestine and holes are punched in it. I was
diagnosed with it a few years ago, and still have it.
> >
> >   It causes, among other things, your adrenal gland to overwork and
eventually fail. This can make your emotions get out of control, which may be
what you are describing.
> >
> >   I ran into a physiologist in Virginia Beach who was able to give me a live
blood analysis to discover this. She really does thorough work, finding this
year the spirochetes that indicate Lyme disease, adding to my chronic Candida,
which I now believe is all related, probably starting many years ago with Lyme
disease that I didn't know I had.
> >
> >   Anyhow, if you have leaky gut, your red cells will be stuck together and
you can see it in a live blood analysis through a high powered microscope. You
just give up a drop of blood from a pin prick on your finger, so it's relatively
simple to do.
> >
> >   If this is your problem, as I suspect, you can take adrenal support
supplements in pill form at your local health food store while you work on
getting rid of the Lyme disease.
> >
> >   One other thing you might check for is gluten intollerance, which is also
often behind leaky gut. You can send off a stool sample and DNA samples to this
lab in Texas https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm as I did in finding out that I
have two genes making me gluten intollerant.
> >
> >   Good luck to you, I hope this helps
> >
> >   Jack
> >
> >   --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Leonie" <leoniecent@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Hi all, It's good to see others are on upwards of 22grams of salt also.
I had thought people weren't doing the full protocol any more due to fear of the
salt etc. I'm also taking larger amounts, and suffering herxes with bad
vomitting etc, but it's so worth the pain due to clearing out effect of salt/c
on all the bugs. The protocol is working very well on my psyche and giving me a
new lease on life. Lyme or whatever I have has affected my endocrine system most
and caused me to be psychologically unstable etc. I have all the obscure
psychological symptoms outlined in differet Lyme articles. Since I have serious
RA, i think this will be the last problem to be resolved with salt, so i have to
stick it out. I'm taking methotrexate chemo for RA at the moment but want to
give up as i loathe it. It's really hard to know what to do... my RA has been
really bad and I don't want to end up crippled and in pain. Taking MTX is tricky
along with salt, but i keep trying. It feels like a lonely road most of the time
and i often wonder if i'm doing the right thing. But if anyone is thinking about
doing salt/c or increasing the dose, don't be afraid and give it a go. It won't
kill you, but your body will adjust to it - this has been proven by other folks
on the list whose blood pressure has stablised after a period of time. The herx
i had last week was very bad and i thought i was dying, but it goes away within
hours and you feel so much better.
> >   > thanks for listening... all the best to everyone,
> >   > Leonie
> >   >
> >
>

Yes, Cynthia Sidner.  She is amazing, goes way beyond what MD's do.  In fact,
I've completely lost faith in MD's, but have some of them as my closest friends
from the days, long ago, when I edited a newsletter for Physicians for Social
Responsibility.

It was one of my physician friends who recommeded Cynthia to me, and he told me
I probably would have had my prostate removed if I had gone to a physician
instead, since it is swollen from leaky gut.  Now I have a good feel for what is
behind it all.

For those with the symptoms, and I've read a lot of them in this group, leaky
gut breaks down the thyroid (your temperature will be low from this), adrenal
gland will quit from being overworked (so your emotions will be out of control)
and it is easy to spot in a live blood analysis, because the red cells will be
stuck together in large clumps.

One cause likely in this group is Candida overgrowth because the Lyme spirochete
turns off that part of the immune system that keeps Candida in check.

Jack



--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Cindi Callanan" <cindicallanan@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Jack,
>
> Are you talking about Cynthia Sidner?  She's doing blood microscopy w/lyme in
Va. Beach... what a coincidence (or not) that would be.  I'm hoping she's coming
to the Teasel training in Maryland in November.
>
> Thanks,  Cindi
>
> Cindi Callanan, MsT, CST, BEC
> Power Wellness Solutions
> Integrative Wellness Consultant/Health Coach
> National Cleansing Coach
> 410-771-4994 O
> 443-980-7369 Cell
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: homedinger
>   To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:14 AM
>   Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Maureen/Anne/Jack / psychiatric lyme
>
>
>     Leonie,
>
>   You might look into whether or not you have leaky gut. It is common when
pathogens take over your small intestine and holes are punched in it. I was
diagnosed with it a few years ago, and still have it.
>
>   It causes, among other things, your adrenal gland to overwork and eventually
fail. This can make your emotions get out of control, which may be what you are
describing.
>
>   I ran into a physiologist in Virginia Beach who was able to give me a live
blood analysis to discover this. She really does thorough work, finding this
year the spirochetes that indicate Lyme disease, adding to my chronic Candida,
which I now believe is all related, probably starting many years ago with Lyme
disease that I didn't know I had.
>
>   Anyhow, if you have leaky gut, your red cells will be stuck together and you
can see it in a live blood analysis through a high powered microscope. You just
give up a drop of blood from a pin prick on your finger, so it's relatively
simple to do.
>
>   If this is your problem, as I suspect, you can take adrenal support
supplements in pill form at your local health food store while you work on
getting rid of the Lyme disease.
>
>   One other thing you might check for is gluten intollerance, which is also
often behind leaky gut. You can send off a stool sample and DNA samples to this
lab in Texas https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm as I did in finding out that I
have two genes making me gluten intollerant.
>
>   Good luck to you, I hope this helps
>
>   Jack
>
>   --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Leonie" <leoniecent@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi all, It's good to see others are on upwards of 22grams of salt also. I
had thought people weren't doing the full protocol any more due to fear of the
salt etc. I'm also taking larger amounts, and suffering herxes with bad
vomitting etc, but it's so worth the pain due to clearing out effect of salt/c
on all the bugs. The protocol is working very well on my psyche and giving me a
new lease on life. Lyme or whatever I have has affected my endocrine system most
and caused me to be psychologically unstable etc. I have all the obscure
psychological symptoms outlined in differet Lyme articles. Since I have serious
RA, i think this will be the last problem to be resolved with salt, so i have to
stick it out. I'm taking methotrexate chemo for RA at the moment but want to
give up as i loathe it. It's really hard to know what to do... my RA has been
really bad and I don't want to end up crippled and in pain. Taking MTX is tricky
along with salt, but i keep trying. It feels like a lonely road most of the time
and i often wonder if i'm doing the right thing. But if anyone is thinking about
doing salt/c or increasing the dose, don't be afraid and give it a go. It won't
kill you, but your body will adjust to it - this has been proven by other folks
on the list whose blood pressure has stablised after a period of time. The herx
i had last week was very bad and i thought i was dying, but it goes away within
hours and you feel so much better.
>   > thanks for listening... all the best to everyone,
>   > Leonie
>   >
>

Excellent post! About 20 years ago I contracted a nasty case of HPV that the
doctor joked about amputation. He said that it was by far the worst case he had
ever seen. His treatment suggestions were unacceptable to me so I looked for an
alternative solution. It worked!

I obtained an ozone generator and commenced saturating distilled water with
ozone produced from pure compressed oxygen. I used this solution as an enema.
Within a period of about 2 weeks scabs formed, dried up and fell off my
appendage. I have not has a recurrence since that time. Ozone is very powerful
and I see no reason why it can't be applied in the case of Lyme and perhaps
Morgellons as well.

If there is any interest in this topic, I will be glad to post a primer for
those who want to try this amazing healing substance. Ozone isn't air pollution,
far from it, in fact, the problem with air pollution is the lack of adequate
levels of ozone that would normally combine with hydrocarbons thus neutralizing
them. Carmi Hazen (google me).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Cwah <3carolyn@...> wrote:
>
> I did salt/c for 3 years with my now almost 7 year old. you would cry
> if you could the picture of vibrance he is.
>
> It was one of the best things we did. He had Lyme induced autism, so
> we spent a fortune.
>
> I credit salt/c and hard chamber HBOT (high pressure 2.4-2.8) with the
> brunt of his recovery.
> He is doing amazingly well. He is not typical. He is exceptional.
> A child I never dreamed the rest of the world would be able to see.
>
> We were at 3G a day within 6 months and then just held there. He had
> die off and regression at times, but always followed by progress. By
> the 2nd year, the fluctuations were more subtle, but of course, having
> misssed the chance to celebrate so many typical developments, I was
> very aware of them.
>
> We did diets (which I think are key with Lyme). And complete digestive
> enzymes. All organic period...First we went gluten/casein/soy/corn
> free back when he was 3.... Apples set him off so I eliminated all
> high salycilates and high phenol foods, then SCD and eventually GAPs.
> I recommend everyone read Nourishing Traditions. Fermented raw foods
> can speed the process along (research microbial nutrition, BED, etc I
> didn't subscribe wholly to any one raw/fermented approach, but read
> everything I could find and incorporated what I saw as important). We
> used candex and high dose biotin for building his flora up. We did
> epsom salt baths (although now I would use td magnesium by combining
> DMSO and magnesium chloride). Detoxing with FIR sauna and ionic foot
> baths. Supplements and Chelation. Castor oil packs lately seem to make
> him really happy. Lots of physical activity and rebounding for Lymph
> drainage. I would also recommend opening yourself and those around you
> that are sick to being healed. It will happen. Celebrate what has
> worked and it will expand. Focus on what doesn't and it will take a
> stronger hold.
>
> We have a chronic enlarged tonsil problem, and that is all that is
> left. He is great. I am told the tonsils will shrink over time now
> that the Lymph can drain from the head.
> He takes biotin, p5p and elderberry now. That is it.
>
> With digestion, I was recently told by a great man that his digestive
> issues stemmed directly from the inflammation in his brain caused by
> the alignment of his skull bones. He worked on my son's head and told
> me that he would be able to eat anything he wants within a few weeks.
> He was totally sure. I was totally skeptical. Emotionally he shifted
> and started expressing things I have never seen before. I have opened
> his diet to include sprouted grains (a big no no in the past) with no
> problems. He can eat apples and nothing happens. I even let him have
> ice cream with the cub scouts.. and again nothing happened. This was
> maybe the 2nd or 3rd time in his life he has had sugar... and then
> there's the casein in the milk, etc etc. I have given him regular
> oats, no problem. That is as far as I have gone, but this was only 3
> weeks ago... I will say in the past any dietary infraction would
> produce a huge reaction (he was given 1/2 a glass of apple cider at
> school last year and was hitting kids by lunchtime- very very
> uncharacteristic for him).
>
> I had taken my son to the Upleger institute in Palm Beach Fl when he
> was 2 or 3 because I know all babies should have their skull bones
> checked. A variety of neurological issues (ADD, dyslexia, etc) can be
> healed with this kind of approach. This was before I knew i had given
> him Lyme in utero. My sister was severely dyslexic 30 years ago- and
> this work changed her life.... I am not sure why they did not see what
> was happening, or maybe it wasn't happening yet. But we all get where
> we need to be when we are ready to be there.
>
> I am grateful for where I am.
> And I am deeply grateful that he has a choice!
> He has spent so much of his childhood, controlled by the pathogen load
> in his body. He has had no choice behaviorally, sensorially,
> emotionally.
> I am grateful to the brave moms that did this with their kids before
> me and endured my countless questions. I emailed those women for 8
> months before I would even try it.
> DON'T WAIT! Salt and c won't hurt your child!
> I am grateful for the people who decided accepting this illness was
> not good enough.
> I am grateful to the people who spent their life energy developing and
> sharing and refining the protocol.
> I am grateful for the tolerance that everyone has their own path and
> what works is different for different people at different times.
> I am happy to help anyone in any way I can.
> Carolyn
>

I did salt/c for 3 years with my now almost 7 year old. you would cry
if you could the picture of vibrance he is.

It was one of the best things we did. He had Lyme induced autism, so
we spent a fortune.

I credit salt/c and hard chamber HBOT (high pressure 2.4-2.8) with the
brunt of his recovery.
He is doing amazingly well. He is not typical. He is exceptional.
A child I never dreamed the rest of the world would be able to see.

We were at 3G a day within 6 months and then just held there. He had
die off and regression at times, but always followed by progress. By
the 2nd year, the fluctuations were more subtle, but of course, having
misssed the chance to celebrate so many typical developments, I was
very aware of them.

We did diets (which I think are key with Lyme). And complete digestive
enzymes. All organic period...First we went gluten/casein/soy/corn
free back when he was 3.... Apples set him off so I eliminated all
high salycilates and high phenol foods, then SCD and eventually GAPs.
I recommend everyone read Nourishing Traditions. Fermented raw foods
can speed the process along (research microbial nutrition, BED, etc I
didn't subscribe wholly to any one raw/fermented approach, but read
everything I could find and incorporated what I saw as important). We
used candex and high dose biotin for building his flora up. We did
epsom salt baths (although now I would use td magnesium by combining
DMSO and magnesium chloride). Detoxing with FIR sauna and ionic foot
baths. Supplements and Chelation. Castor oil packs lately seem to make
him really happy. Lots of physical activity and rebounding for Lymph
drainage. I would also recommend opening yourself and those around you
that are sick to being healed. It will happen. Celebrate what has
worked and it will expand. Focus on what doesn't and it will take a
stronger hold.

We have a chronic enlarged tonsil problem, and that is all that is
left. He is great. I am told the tonsils will shrink over time now
that the Lymph can drain from the head.
He takes biotin, p5p and elderberry now. That is it.

With digestion, I was recently told by a great man that his digestive
issues stemmed directly from the inflammation in his brain caused by
the alignment of his skull bones. He worked on my son's head and told
me that he would be able to eat anything he wants within a few weeks.
He was totally sure. I was totally skeptical. Emotionally he shifted
and started expressing things I have never seen before. I have opened
his diet to include sprouted grains (a big no no in the past) with no
problems. He can eat apples and nothing happens. I even let him have
ice cream with the cub scouts.. and again nothing happened. This was
maybe the 2nd or 3rd time in his life he has had sugar... and then
there's the casein in the milk, etc etc. I have given him regular
oats, no problem. That is as far as I have gone, but this was only 3
weeks ago... I will say in the past any dietary infraction would
produce a huge reaction (he was given 1/2 a glass of apple cider at
school last year and was hitting kids by lunchtime- very very
uncharacteristic for him).

I had taken my son to the Upleger institute in Palm Beach Fl when he
was 2 or 3 because I know all babies should have their skull bones
checked. A variety of neurological issues (ADD, dyslexia, etc) can be
healed with this kind of approach. This was before I knew i had given
him Lyme in utero. My sister was severely dyslexic 30 years ago- and
this work changed her life.... I am not sure why they did not see what
was happening, or maybe it wasn't happening yet. But we all get where
we need to be when we are ready to be there.

I am grateful for where I am.
And I am deeply grateful that he has a choice!
He has spent so much of his childhood, controlled by the pathogen load
in his body. He has had no choice behaviorally, sensorially,
emotionally.
I am grateful to the brave moms that did this with their kids before
me and endured my countless questions. I emailed those women for 8
months before I would even try it.
DON'T WAIT! Salt and c won't hurt your child!
I am grateful for the people who decided accepting this illness was
not good enough.
I am grateful to the people who spent their life energy developing and
sharing and refining the protocol.
I am grateful for the tolerance that everyone has their own path and
what works is different for different people at different times.
I am happy to help anyone in any way I can.
Carolyn

Actually it precipitates out as silver chloride, not silver nitrate.  The
particle size is then too big to do any good.  Using in eyes and nose should be
fine.
Patty
--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <anncooper10@...> wrote:
>
> CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with salts.
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Can you please explain to me what you meant by the above?  I am not that up on
this and I usually use CS as drops in my eyes and nose twice per day in morning
and evening.  Sometimes more.  I have never worried about taking my salt/c
shortly after or before using the CS.  Please let me know if I should be doing
this differently?
>
> Thanks much,  Ann

I would love to connect with other parents who are using salt / C for their
kids. How is the treatment going for your kids? At what pace have you ramped up
the dose? I am using salt / C for myself and our 7 year old.

Feel free to email me too.

Kathy

My wife usually allows half an hour I believe.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:31 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update - SCOTT
>
> Scott,
>
> Thanks a bunch for the information.  I don't remember reading
> anything on the group over the last few years about not
> mixing the two but after reading this I will definitely take
> precautions.  How far apart do we need to take these.  This
> is definitely going to mess with my scheduling of
> supplements.  Yours,  Ann
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams"
> <msadams@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is why I use CS on an empty stomach and do not mix it
> with salt. Its
> > just a safety precaution to help prevent any chance of argyria.
> >
> > From
> > http://www.csfacts.com/pages/dudley.html
> >
> > Other Possible negative effects
> >
> > As most people know, silver is used as the photo-sensitive
> ingredient in
> > almost all photographic processes. Silver compounds, when
> exposed to light,
> > will often result in the silver being reduced to atomic or
> metallic silver.
> > Then in the presence of a developer, any silver compounds
> that contact the
> > silver particles will also undergo a reduction reaction,
> enlarging the
> > silver particle.
> >
> > While this process is essential to photography, it is
> undesirable in the
> > skin of a person. It is thought by many that the reason
> that the royalty
> > long ago were called blue bloods is because the silver from
> the goblets and
> > wares would react with acids in their drinks and foods,
> then precipitate out
> > in their skin giving them a bluish color. It is known that
> consumption of
> > silver compounds, such as silver nitrate, followed by
> exposure to sunlight
> > can result in a graying or bluing of the skin, a medical
> condition called
> > argyria (2). As it turns out, a number of chemicals that
> can appear in the
> > blood make quite effective developers. Caffeine and tannin
> are just two of
> > them (3).
> >
> > Fortunately, colloidal silver, when made by the
> electrolytic process in pure
> > distilled water without any salts being added, produces no
> silver compounds.
> > Thus, silver plating out of colloidal silver is not
> possible; the silver
> > particles are already reduced to pure silver, and are
> mutually repulsed,
> > because of their positive charges.
> >
> > If the colloidal silver is made from silver salts by
> reduction chemistry,
> > (as the high ppm level products are) traces of silver salts
> can remain.
> > Although silver metal is non-toxic to mammals, silver salts
> are poisonous
> > because of the associated cations, and can result in
> argyria (2). Also, when
> > colloidal silver is made by the electrolytic process and
> salt or sea salt is
> > added, silver salts will be produced as well. Although, in
> an emergency, one
> > would be wise to make one's own silver water using
> techniques previously
> > given by Dr. Beck, for long-term use all exposure to silver
> salts should be
> > avoided.
> >
> > The use of table salt (sodium chloride) will produce some
> silver chloride.
> > This is undesirable, and although the amount of silver
> chloride is limited
> > by its solubility in cold water to 89 PPM (6), this is
> still a significant
> > amount of silver compound compared with the amount in the
> colloid itself (5
> > to 10 PPM).
> >
> > The use of sea salt, which many people recommend, is
> especially disturbing.
> > Sea salt contains many compounds, including various
> nitrates and fluoride.
> > Many of the compounds can combine with silver to produce
> silver compounds.
> > Specifically silver can combine with nitrates forming a
> highly soluble and
> > toxic silver nitrate salt and with fluoride producing
> highly soluble and
> > toxic silver fluoride. Nitrates in sea salt can run as high
> as 20 ppm, and
> > fluorides are typically 40 ppm (7). Therefore colloidal
> silver should be
> > only made with pure distilled water to prevent the
> formation of any toxic
> > silver compounds. If one must use an accelerating agent,
> then adding a small
> > amount of previously produced colloidal silver is
> recommended, over adding
> > any type of salt.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann
> > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:30 PM
> > > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update - SCOTT
> > >
> > > CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with salts.
> > >
> > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > > Can you please explain to me what you meant by the above?  I
> > > am not that up on this and I usually use CS as drops in my
> > > eyes and nose twice per day in morning and evening.
> > > Sometimes more.  I have never worried about taking my salt/c
> > > shortly after or before using the CS.  Please let me know if
> > > I should be doing this differently?
> > >
> > > Thanks much,  Ann
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams"
> > > <msadams@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My wife used Salt/c for sometime and then switched to Cs/C
> > > last April. She
> > > > takes the CS on an empty stomach (4 oz at a time) and the
> > > vitamin C before
> > > > meals. Note that CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate
> > > when mixed with
> > > > salts.
> > > >
> > > > Starting out at 8g on the salt/c sounds aggressive to me.
> > > My wife had to
> > > > start at 2g a day and slowly work up to 6g a day as her maximum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Adams
> > > >
> > > > msadams@ www.msadams.com <http://www.msadams.com/>
> > > > Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> > > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
> > > >
> > > > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them
> > > think! - Scott
> > > > Adams.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of P T
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:48 PM
> > > > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Anne, homedigger and all others,
> > > > I am  very new and have started salt/c.  The first day I
> > > jumped right in at
> > > > 8gms each and I felt very weak achy deep achy twinges in my
> > > legs and in
> > > > groin area.  I could barely walk for a couple of hours.  Is
> > > this considered
> > > > a HERX symptom?
> > > >
> > > > I also started Silver shield which someone told me to not
> > > take them at same
> > > > time, silver and salt/c - b ecause it converts the silver
> > > into another form
> > > > etc., not ideal, so do them apart.
> > > > Does anyone else also do silver with salt/c?
> > > >
> > > > I have  a complicated case, where I got ill last year, and
> > > the only thing
> > > > found was lyme an drocky mountain spotted fever
> > > co-infection.  They appear
> > > > to be older infections.
> > > > Well, anyway I am gradually becoming allergic to all
> things with the
> > > > strangest symptoms.
> > > > Now in the past week I am getting very intense achiness up
> > > high in my inner
> > > > thigh and groin and even in my upper back and arms.  I get
> > > very weak muscls
> > > > and they sort of tickly ache, like drive me mad.
> > > > I also get very strange symptoms from food, and from not
> > > eating much and
> > > > gettign low blood sugar.
> > > > Today, I am taking silver shield all day and this
> feeling is getting
> > > > stronger, so I thought am I allergic to it, or does it
> > > sound like HERX?
> > > > Can one also get itchy inside and out from HERX?
> > > > Thanks for all your input!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Ann <anncooper10@>
> > > > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:33:45 PM
> > > > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Maureen,
> > > >
> > > > I have been taking salt/c for 3 1/2 years and saw most of
> > > my improvements in
> > > > the first six months to a year at 22 grams each. I am still
> > > dealing with
> > > > quite a few issues and trying lots of different
> > > supplements, etc. along with
> > > > the salt/c. I have gone up and down on the level of salt/c
> > > that I take but
> > > > would never consider getting off completely. I was at 22
> > > grams each for a
> > > > long time and have gone down to 4 grams at times. I think
> > > from this site
> > > > that most of the people that have seen the greatest
> > > improvements are the
> > > > ones that have stayed on larger doses for a long period of
> > > time. It is
> > > > difficult to do because of the herxing. I use light grey
> > > celtic sea salt
> > > > which I find has a great flavor and use it liberally on my
> > > food along with
> > > > drinking it in water along with the C. Good luck to you and
> > > I hope some of
> > > > the more successful people will weigh in for you.
> > > >
> > > > Yours, Ann
> > > >
> > > > --- In lymestrategies@ yahoogroups.
> > > > <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> "mocos52" <mocos52@ >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey all,
> > > > >
> > > > > It's been four weeks now on salt and C and thought I'd
> > > report in to help
> > > > others who might be new to this.
> > > > >
> > > > > The first week was the roughest with vomiting and nausea
> > > and I was only
> > > > able to do 2 grams each of S and C. The first two weeks it
> > > seemed to cause a
> > > > lot of arthritis type pains in the shoulders, knees, feet,
> > > elbow and wrist.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the third week I was able to handle about 3 grams each
> > > and felt much
> > > > less arthritis and nausea. Dissolving some of the S and C
> > > in water made
> > > > things more tolerable on my stomach.
> > > > >
> > > > > This week I was able to work up to 5 grams each but that
> > > has caused a
> > > > couple of puking sessions. The main herx reactions now seem
> > > to be fatigue
> > > > and a bad acne/rosacea condition that has flared nonstop
> > > since starting the
> > > > protocol.
> > > > >
> > > > > Still not crazy about the taste of the drink but I'm
> > > getting used to it.
> > > > Would love to hear more about how others are doing.
> > > Especially like to hear
> > > > success stories and how long it took. Also when people get
> > > better do they
> > > > normally continue taking S and C or can they quit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Maureen
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > Get the name you've always wanted
> > > <http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/> !
> > > > @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
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Scott,

Thanks a bunch for the information.  I don't remember reading anything on the
group over the last few years about not mixing the two but after reading this I
will definitely take precautions.  How far apart do we need to take these.  This
is definitely going to mess with my scheduling of supplements.  Yours,  Ann


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams" <msadams@...> wrote:
>
>
> This is why I use CS on an empty stomach and do not mix it with salt. Its
> just a safety precaution to help prevent any chance of argyria.
>
> From
> http://www.csfacts.com/pages/dudley.html
>
> Other Possible negative effects
>
> As most people know, silver is used as the photo-sensitive ingredient in
> almost all photographic processes. Silver compounds, when exposed to light,
> will often result in the silver being reduced to atomic or metallic silver.
> Then in the presence of a developer, any silver compounds that contact the
> silver particles will also undergo a reduction reaction, enlarging the
> silver particle.
>
> While this process is essential to photography, it is undesirable in the
> skin of a person. It is thought by many that the reason that the royalty
> long ago were called blue bloods is because the silver from the goblets and
> wares would react with acids in their drinks and foods, then precipitate out
> in their skin giving them a bluish color. It is known that consumption of
> silver compounds, such as silver nitrate, followed by exposure to sunlight
> can result in a graying or bluing of the skin, a medical condition called
> argyria (2). As it turns out, a number of chemicals that can appear in the
> blood make quite effective developers. Caffeine and tannin are just two of
> them (3).
>
> Fortunately, colloidal silver, when made by the electrolytic process in pure
> distilled water without any salts being added, produces no silver compounds.
> Thus, silver plating out of colloidal silver is not possible; the silver
> particles are already reduced to pure silver, and are mutually repulsed,
> because of their positive charges.
>
> If the colloidal silver is made from silver salts by reduction chemistry,
> (as the high ppm level products are) traces of silver salts can remain.
> Although silver metal is non-toxic to mammals, silver salts are poisonous
> because of the associated cations, and can result in argyria (2). Also, when
> colloidal silver is made by the electrolytic process and salt or sea salt is
> added, silver salts will be produced as well. Although, in an emergency, one
> would be wise to make one's own silver water using techniques previously
> given by Dr. Beck, for long-term use all exposure to silver salts should be
> avoided.
>
> The use of table salt (sodium chloride) will produce some silver chloride.
> This is undesirable, and although the amount of silver chloride is limited
> by its solubility in cold water to 89 PPM (6), this is still a significant
> amount of silver compound compared with the amount in the colloid itself (5
> to 10 PPM).
>
> The use of sea salt, which many people recommend, is especially disturbing.
> Sea salt contains many compounds, including various nitrates and fluoride.
> Many of the compounds can combine with silver to produce silver compounds.
> Specifically silver can combine with nitrates forming a highly soluble and
> toxic silver nitrate salt and with fluoride producing highly soluble and
> toxic silver fluoride. Nitrates in sea salt can run as high as 20 ppm, and
> fluorides are typically 40 ppm (7). Therefore colloidal silver should be
> only made with pure distilled water to prevent the formation of any toxic
> silver compounds. If one must use an accelerating agent, then adding a small
> amount of previously produced colloidal silver is recommended, over adding
> any type of salt.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:30 PM
> > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update - SCOTT
> >
> > CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with salts.
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Can you please explain to me what you meant by the above?  I
> > am not that up on this and I usually use CS as drops in my
> > eyes and nose twice per day in morning and evening.
> > Sometimes more.  I have never worried about taking my salt/c
> > shortly after or before using the CS.  Please let me know if
> > I should be doing this differently?
> >
> > Thanks much,  Ann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams"
> > <msadams@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My wife used Salt/c for sometime and then switched to Cs/C
> > last April. She
> > > takes the CS on an empty stomach (4 oz at a time) and the
> > vitamin C before
> > > meals. Note that CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate
> > when mixed with
> > > salts.
> > >
> > > Starting out at 8g on the salt/c sounds aggressive to me.
> > My wife had to
> > > start at 2g a day and slowly work up to 6g a day as her maximum.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Adams
> > >
> > > msadams@ www.msadams.com <http://www.msadams.com/>
> > > Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
> > >
> > > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them
> > think! - Scott
> > > Adams.
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of P T
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:48 PM
> > > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Anne, homedigger and all others,
> > > I am  very new and have started salt/c.  The first day I
> > jumped right in at
> > > 8gms each and I felt very weak achy deep achy twinges in my
> > legs and in
> > > groin area.  I could barely walk for a couple of hours.  Is
> > this considered
> > > a HERX symptom?
> > >
> > > I also started Silver shield which someone told me to not
> > take them at same
> > > time, silver and salt/c - b ecause it converts the silver
> > into another form
> > > etc., not ideal, so do them apart.
> > > Does anyone else also do silver with salt/c?
> > >
> > > I have  a complicated case, where I got ill last year, and
> > the only thing
> > > found was lyme an drocky mountain spotted fever
> > co-infection.  They appear
> > > to be older infections.
> > > Well, anyway I am gradually becoming allergic to all things with the
> > > strangest symptoms.
> > > Now in the past week I am getting very intense achiness up
> > high in my inner
> > > thigh and groin and even in my upper back and arms.  I get
> > very weak muscls
> > > and they sort of tickly ache, like drive me mad.
> > > I also get very strange symptoms from food, and from not
> > eating much and
> > > gettign low blood sugar.
> > > Today, I am taking silver shield all day and this feeling is getting
> > > stronger, so I thought am I allergic to it, or does it
> > sound like HERX?
> > > Can one also get itchy inside and out from HERX?
> > > Thanks for all your input!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > From: Ann <anncooper10@>
> > > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:33:45 PM
> > > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Maureen,
> > >
> > > I have been taking salt/c for 3 1/2 years and saw most of
> > my improvements in
> > > the first six months to a year at 22 grams each. I am still
> > dealing with
> > > quite a few issues and trying lots of different
> > supplements, etc. along with
> > > the salt/c. I have gone up and down on the level of salt/c
> > that I take but
> > > would never consider getting off completely. I was at 22
> > grams each for a
> > > long time and have gone down to 4 grams at times. I think
> > from this site
> > > that most of the people that have seen the greatest
> > improvements are the
> > > ones that have stayed on larger doses for a long period of
> > time. It is
> > > difficult to do because of the herxing. I use light grey
> > celtic sea salt
> > > which I find has a great flavor and use it liberally on my
> > food along with
> > > drinking it in water along with the C. Good luck to you and
> > I hope some of
> > > the more successful people will weigh in for you.
> > >
> > > Yours, Ann
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@ yahoogroups.
> > > <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> com, "mocos52" <mocos52@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > It's been four weeks now on salt and C and thought I'd
> > report in to help
> > > others who might be new to this.
> > > >
> > > > The first week was the roughest with vomiting and nausea
> > and I was only
> > > able to do 2 grams each of S and C. The first two weeks it
> > seemed to cause a
> > > lot of arthritis type pains in the shoulders, knees, feet,
> > elbow and wrist.
> > > >
> > > > By the third week I was able to handle about 3 grams each
> > and felt much
> > > less arthritis and nausea. Dissolving some of the S and C
> > in water made
> > > things more tolerable on my stomach.
> > > >
> > > > This week I was able to work up to 5 grams each but that
> > has caused a
> > > couple of puking sessions. The main herx reactions now seem
> > to be fatigue
> > > and a bad acne/rosacea condition that has flared nonstop
> > since starting the
> > > protocol.
> > > >
> > > > Still not crazy about the taste of the drink but I'm
> > getting used to it.
> > > Would love to hear more about how others are doing.
> > Especially like to hear
> > > success stories and how long it took. Also when people get
> > better do they
> > > normally continue taking S and C or can they quit.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Maureen
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   _____
> > >
> > > Get the name you've always wanted
> > <http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/> !
> > > @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should not be
> > considered complete, nor should it be relied on or
> > interpreted to suggest a course of treatment for any
> > individual.  It is research information only and it should
> > not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the
> > advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> > provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> > Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> > and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
> > research information is considered at the members own risk.
> > The providers of the Lyme Strategies site are not medical
> > physicians.  Should you have any health care-related
> > questions, please call or see your physician or other
> > qualified health care provider promptly. Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

This is why I use CS on an empty stomach and do not mix it with salt. Its
just a safety precaution to help prevent any chance of argyria.

From
http://www.csfacts.com/pages/dudley.html

Other Possible negative effects

As most people know, silver is used as the photo-sensitive ingredient in
almost all photographic processes. Silver compounds, when exposed to light,
will often result in the silver being reduced to atomic or metallic silver.
Then in the presence of a developer, any silver compounds that contact the
silver particles will also undergo a reduction reaction, enlarging the
silver particle.

While this process is essential to photography, it is undesirable in the
skin of a person. It is thought by many that the reason that the royalty
long ago were called blue bloods is because the silver from the goblets and
wares would react with acids in their drinks and foods, then precipitate out
in their skin giving them a bluish color. It is known that consumption of
silver compounds, such as silver nitrate, followed by exposure to sunlight
can result in a graying or bluing of the skin, a medical condition called
argyria (2). As it turns out, a number of chemicals that can appear in the
blood make quite effective developers. Caffeine and tannin are just two of
them (3).

Fortunately, colloidal silver, when made by the electrolytic process in pure
distilled water without any salts being added, produces no silver compounds.
Thus, silver plating out of colloidal silver is not possible; the silver
particles are already reduced to pure silver, and are mutually repulsed,
because of their positive charges.

If the colloidal silver is made from silver salts by reduction chemistry,
(as the high ppm level products are) traces of silver salts can remain.
Although silver metal is non-toxic to mammals, silver salts are poisonous
because of the associated cations, and can result in argyria (2). Also, when
colloidal silver is made by the electrolytic process and salt or sea salt is
added, silver salts will be produced as well. Although, in an emergency, one
would be wise to make one's own silver water using techniques previously
given by Dr. Beck, for long-term use all exposure to silver salts should be
avoided.

The use of table salt (sodium chloride) will produce some silver chloride.
This is undesirable, and although the amount of silver chloride is limited
by its solubility in cold water to 89 PPM (6), this is still a significant
amount of silver compound compared with the amount in the colloid itself (5
to 10 PPM).

The use of sea salt, which many people recommend, is especially disturbing.
Sea salt contains many compounds, including various nitrates and fluoride.
Many of the compounds can combine with silver to produce silver compounds.
Specifically silver can combine with nitrates forming a highly soluble and
toxic silver nitrate salt and with fluoride producing highly soluble and
toxic silver fluoride. Nitrates in sea salt can run as high as 20 ppm, and
fluorides are typically 40 ppm (7). Therefore colloidal silver should be
only made with pure distilled water to prevent the formation of any toxic
silver compounds. If one must use an accelerating agent, then adding a small
amount of previously produced colloidal silver is recommended, over adding
any type of salt.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update - SCOTT
>
> CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with salts.
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Can you please explain to me what you meant by the above?  I
> am not that up on this and I usually use CS as drops in my
> eyes and nose twice per day in morning and evening.
> Sometimes more.  I have never worried about taking my salt/c
> shortly after or before using the CS.  Please let me know if
> I should be doing this differently?
>
> Thanks much,  Ann
>
>
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams"
> <msadams@...> wrote:
> >
> > My wife used Salt/c for sometime and then switched to Cs/C
> last April. She
> > takes the CS on an empty stomach (4 oz at a time) and the
> vitamin C before
> > meals. Note that CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate
> when mixed with
> > salts.
> >
> > Starting out at 8g on the salt/c sounds aggressive to me.
> My wife had to
> > start at 2g a day and slowly work up to 6g a day as her maximum.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott Adams
> >
> > msadams@... www.msadams.com <http://www.msadams.com/>
> > Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
> >
> > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them
> think! - Scott
> > Adams.
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of P T
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:48 PM
> > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To Anne, homedigger and all others,
> > I am  very new and have started salt/c.  The first day I
> jumped right in at
> > 8gms each and I felt very weak achy deep achy twinges in my
> legs and in
> > groin area.  I could barely walk for a couple of hours.  Is
> this considered
> > a HERX symptom?
> >
> > I also started Silver shield which someone told me to not
> take them at same
> > time, silver and salt/c - b ecause it converts the silver
> into another form
> > etc., not ideal, so do them apart.
> > Does anyone else also do silver with salt/c?
> >
> > I have  a complicated case, where I got ill last year, and
> the only thing
> > found was lyme an drocky mountain spotted fever
> co-infection.  They appear
> > to be older infections.
> > Well, anyway I am gradually becoming allergic to all things with the
> > strangest symptoms.
> > Now in the past week I am getting very intense achiness up
> high in my inner
> > thigh and groin and even in my upper back and arms.  I get
> very weak muscls
> > and they sort of tickly ache, like drive me mad.
> > I also get very strange symptoms from food, and from not
> eating much and
> > gettign low blood sugar.
> > Today, I am taking silver shield all day and this feeling is getting
> > stronger, so I thought am I allergic to it, or does it
> sound like HERX?
> > Can one also get itchy inside and out from HERX?
> > Thanks for all your input!
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: Ann <anncooper10@...>
> > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:33:45 PM
> > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Maureen,
> >
> > I have been taking salt/c for 3 1/2 years and saw most of
> my improvements in
> > the first six months to a year at 22 grams each. I am still
> dealing with
> > quite a few issues and trying lots of different
> supplements, etc. along with
> > the salt/c. I have gone up and down on the level of salt/c
> that I take but
> > would never consider getting off completely. I was at 22
> grams each for a
> > long time and have gone down to 4 grams at times. I think
> from this site
> > that most of the people that have seen the greatest
> improvements are the
> > ones that have stayed on larger doses for a long period of
> time. It is
> > difficult to do because of the herxing. I use light grey
> celtic sea salt
> > which I find has a great flavor and use it liberally on my
> food along with
> > drinking it in water along with the C. Good luck to you and
> I hope some of
> > the more successful people will weigh in for you.
> >
> > Yours, Ann
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@ yahoogroups.
> > <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> com, "mocos52" <mocos52@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > It's been four weeks now on salt and C and thought I'd
> report in to help
> > others who might be new to this.
> > >
> > > The first week was the roughest with vomiting and nausea
> and I was only
> > able to do 2 grams each of S and C. The first two weeks it
> seemed to cause a
> > lot of arthritis type pains in the shoulders, knees, feet,
> elbow and wrist.
> > >
> > > By the third week I was able to handle about 3 grams each
> and felt much
> > less arthritis and nausea. Dissolving some of the S and C
> in water made
> > things more tolerable on my stomach.
> > >
> > > This week I was able to work up to 5 grams each but that
> has caused a
> > couple of puking sessions. The main herx reactions now seem
> to be fatigue
> > and a bad acne/rosacea condition that has flared nonstop
> since starting the
> > protocol.
> > >
> > > Still not crazy about the taste of the drink but I'm
> getting used to it.
> > Would love to hear more about how others are doing.
> Especially like to hear
> > success stories and how long it took. Also when people get
> better do they
> > normally continue taking S and C or can they quit.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > Get the name you've always wanted
> <http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/> !
> > @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com.
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should not be
> considered complete, nor should it be relied on or
> interpreted to suggest a course of treatment for any
> individual.  It is research information only and it should
> not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the
> advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
> research information is considered at the members own risk.
> The providers of the Lyme Strategies site are not medical
> physicians.  Should you have any health care-related
> questions, please call or see your physician or other
> qualified health care provider promptly. Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with salts.

Hi Scott,

Can you please explain to me what you meant by the above?  I am not that up on
this and I usually use CS as drops in my eyes and nose twice per day in morning
and evening.  Sometimes more.  I have never worried about taking my salt/c
shortly after or before using the CS.  Please let me know if I should be doing
this differently?

Thanks much,  Ann




--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams" <msadams@...> wrote:
>
> My wife used Salt/c for sometime and then switched to Cs/C last April. She
> takes the CS on an empty stomach (4 oz at a time) and the vitamin C before
> meals. Note that CS can precipitated out as silver nitrate when mixed with
> salts.
>
> Starting out at 8g on the salt/c sounds aggressive to me. My wife had to
> start at 2g a day and slowly work up to 6g a day as her maximum.
>
>
>
> Scott Adams
>
> msadams@... www.msadams.com <http://www.msadams.com/>
> Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
>
> You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
> Adams.
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of P T
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
>
>
>
>
> To Anne, homedigger and all others,
> I am  very new and have started salt/c.  The first day I jumped right in at
> 8gms each and I felt very weak achy deep achy twinges in my legs and in
> groin area.  I could barely walk for a couple of hours.  Is this considered
> a HERX symptom?
>
> I also started Silver shield which someone told me to not take them at same
> time, silver and salt/c - b ecause it converts the silver into another form
> etc., not ideal, so do them apart.
> Does anyone else also do silver with salt/c?
>
> I have  a complicated case, where I got ill last year, and the only thing
> found was lyme an drocky mountain spotted fever co-infection.  They appear
> to be older infections.
> Well, anyway I am gradually becoming allergic to all things with the
> strangest symptoms.
> Now in the past week I am getting very intense achiness up high in my inner
> thigh and groin and even in my upper back and arms.  I get very weak muscls
> and they sort of tickly ache, like drive me mad.
> I also get very strange symptoms from food, and from not eating much and
> gettign low blood sugar.
> Today, I am taking silver shield all day and this feeling is getting
> stronger, so I thought am I allergic to it, or does it sound like HERX?
> Can one also get itchy inside and out from HERX?
> Thanks for all your input!
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Ann <anncooper10@...>
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:33:45 PM
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt and C one month update
>
>
>
> Dear Maureen,
>
> I have been taking salt/c for 3 1/2 years and saw most of my improvements in
> the first six months to a year at 22 grams each. I am still dealing with
> quite a few issues and trying lots of different supplements, etc. along with
> the salt/c. I have gone up and down on the level of salt/c that I take but
> would never consider getting off completely. I was at 22 grams each for a
> long time and have gone down to 4 grams at times. I think from this site
> that most of the people that have seen the greatest improvements are the
> ones that have stayed on larger doses for a long period of time. It is
> difficult to do because of the herxing. I use light grey celtic sea salt
> which I find has a great flavor and use it liberally on my food along with
> drinking it in water along with the C. Good luck to you and I hope some of
> the more successful people will weigh in for you.
>
> Yours, Ann
>
> --- In lymestrategies@ yahoogroups.
> <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> com, "mocos52" <mocos52@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > It's been four weeks now on salt and C and thought I'd report in to help
> others who might be new to this.
> >
> > The first week was the roughest with vomiting and nausea and I was only
> able to do 2 grams each of S and C. The first two weeks it seemed to cause a
> lot of arthritis type pains in the shoulders, knees, feet, elbow and wrist.
> >
> > By the third week I was able to handle about 3 grams each and felt much
> less arthritis and nausea. Dissolving some of the S and C in water made
> things more tolerable on my stomach.
> >
> > This week I was able to work up to 5 grams each but that has caused a
> couple of puking sessions. The main herx reactions now seem to be fatigue
> and a bad acne/rosacea condition that has flared nonstop since starting the
> protocol.
> >
> > Still not crazy about the taste of the drink but I'm getting used to it.
> Would love to hear more about how others are doing. Especially like to hear
> success stories and how long it took. Also when people get better do they
> normally continue taking S and C or can they quit.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Maureen
> >
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> Get the name you've always wanted  <http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/> !
> @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com.
>