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#85861 From: "comdyne2002" <comdyne@...>
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: salt/c herx question
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Don't U mean DLG Licorice? Carmi

-- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...> wrote:
>
> Someone suggested DRG licorice which is chewable - it seemed to help my
> tummy when it felt like crap. Milk Thistle is very good for liver support.
> Someone said take 2 hrs away from salt, but I've never been very good at
> juggeling times.
>
> Just took things as much as i could when I didn't feel too bad.
>
>   _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of bluewatersforme
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:02 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt/c herx question
>
>
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com,
>
> >Thanks for replying and sharing your info. I will take it slow and see what
> comes. In your experiences, is it ok to take other supplements like Olive
> leaf, systemic enzymes, cq10, spiro, mangosteen, milk thistle etc or will it
> effect the salt/c protocol? I also will try to detox better, my "gut" is
> feeling horrible and very nauseated.
>
> To better days for all of us,
> Linda
> > >
> >
>

#85860 From: "The Murphys" <pjmurphy@...>
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 4:39 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: Re: gut problems on salt/c
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the farm store.  I got dmso liqiud for 6.00.  It is a lot better than what I bought on ebay.
BJ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: [SPAM] RE: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

Does anyone know where to buy DMSO cream?
 
Nancy W


From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of haecklers
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:55 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking soda to 2 parts vitamin C). I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with "ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid. Cathcart writes about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating, and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the protocol. I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot. I started with yogurt and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making sauerkraut and kimchi. That worked. Another thing I found out about later is s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO (applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the gut heal. Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer), bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>


#85859 From: "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:54 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Fibromyalgia/minerals
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Monica,
 
Did your anxiety calm down a bit?
 
I just noticed you're taking the adrenal support which may contain adrenaline - have you considered AdreCor? I have been using it for almost a year as I have extreme adrenal overload. Started with 2 per day and now am at 6.
 
Nancy W.


From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mostap2003
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:28 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Fibromyalgia/minerals

Hi Gina,

Can you recommend any other good books on the thyroid and adrenals?

I have Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century...

I looked at Tietelbaum's book and will probably order it.

You said you balanced all your hormones out. I'm amazed. That seems like an amazing feat of self-education, and I'd love to glean from what you've learned. This is my next huge project.

BTW: the iodine calmed me down. I was extremely anxious before and became very calm afterwards. When I began to detox heavily my adrenals began crashing again because I had focused on the thyroid and forgot to give them the support they needed.

Q: You were right, the returning FM was from my adrenals. When I began supporting them it backed off again, but not totally gone. I feel better, but I woke up with a terrible adrenaline rush at 4:30 this morning.

I don't really feel anxious during the day, though. I can just tell I'm walking a tight rope right now.

Taking: B complex, B12, B6, licorice tincture, Soloray adrenal support (bovine adrenal extract along with pituitary, hypothalamus, thyroid, etc.) I think it also has some GABA and one other herb in it.

Am I missing something? I don't want to stop taking the iodine because I think I desperately need it.

Thanks,
Monica


#85858 From: Paul Steel <psteel5@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: gut problems on salt/c
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Paul Steel

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From: Nancy Wilson <wilson33@...>
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:51:47 PM
Subject: RE: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

Does anyone know where to buy DMSO cream?
 
Nancy W


From: lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:lymestrateg ies@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of haecklers
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:55 AM
To: lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking soda to 2 parts vitamin C). I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with "ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid. Cathcart writes about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating, and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the protocol. I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot. I started with yogurt and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making sauerkraut and kimchi. That worked. Another thing I found out about later is s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO (applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the gut heal. Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer), bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>


#85857 From: "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:51 pm
Subject: RE: Re: gut problems on salt/c
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Does anyone know where to buy DMSO cream?
 
Nancy W


From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of haecklers
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:55 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking soda to 2 parts vitamin C). I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with "ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid. Cathcart writes about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating, and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the protocol. I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot. I started with yogurt and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making sauerkraut and kimchi. That worked. Another thing I found out about later is s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO (applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the gut heal. Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer), bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>


#85856 From: "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:06 pm
Subject: RE: Re: salt/c herx question
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Someone suggested DRG licorice which is chewable - it seemed to help my tummy when it felt like crap. Milk Thistle is very good for liver support. Someone said take 2 hrs away from salt, but I've never been very good at juggeling times.
 
Just took things as much as i could when I didn't feel too bad.


From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bluewatersforme
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:02 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt/c herx question

 

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com,

>Thanks for replying and sharing your info. I will take it slow and see what comes. In your experiences, is it ok to take other supplements like Olive leaf, systemic enzymes, cq10, spiro, mangosteen, milk thistle etc or will it effect the salt/c protocol? I also will try to detox better, my "gut" is feeling horrible and very nauseated.

To better days for all of us,
Linda
> >
>


#85855 From: "bluewatersforme" <bluewatersforme@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: salt/c herx question
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--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com,

>Thanks for replying and sharing your info.  I will take it slow and see what
comes. In your experiences, is it ok to take other supplements like Olive leaf,
systemic enzymes, cq10, spiro, mangosteen, milk thistle etc or will it effect
the salt/c protocol? I also will try to detox better, my "gut" is feeling
horrible and very nauseated.

To better days for all of us,
Linda
> >
>

#85854 From: "haecklers" <haecklers@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: salt/c herx question
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When I started the salt/c protocol, I was interested in the theory that high
(bowel tolerance) doses of vitamin C would detox the body so I ramped up the
salt but started out with the C at very high doses.  It didn't give me a
headache to speak of.  That's not for everyone, tho and since, my favorite
detoxer is taking charcoal capsules whenever I start feeling off.  I found less
than 3 doesn't do much, tho, and you'd want to take them 2 hours either side of
taking supplements or food you want to digest as they bind and carry things out
of you - good for toxins but bad for nutrients or vitamins.  You can find them
pretty easily in health food stores and they don't cost much.

I think the headache theory is that the liver cleanses the blood, gets rid of
toxins via bile, which if it doesn't get out quickly can get back into the blood
and cause the headache.  So an enema is one way to get rid of a headache, but
taking charcoal which binds with the toxins in the gut is another.  When I get
toxic and get a headache, my digestion feels off, my stomach may feel bloated,
and I retain water, so it's pretty clear in my case it's coming from the gut.

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "bluewatersforme" <bluewatersforme@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have just started the salt/c protocol yesterday with 1mg each 2x day.  I
took my first dose and I seemed not bad, the prior few days before I was feeling
just awful so I really thought I was going to feel even worse.  After taking the
first dose I just had a slight headache.  After taking the second dose, my head
started pounding terribly, and my brain fog got worse and I got nauseated.  Also
I had soreness at the area of my thyroid. (I have a 2cm tumor on thyroid, biopsy
came back ok).  I was just wondering if anyone has an idea if this could be a
herx. reaction and if I should vamp up the does being the only thing that is
terrible is the headache.
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> Linda
>

#85853 From: Mimi <mimi@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:24 pm
Subject: Re:death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue
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Teresa,

I am so sorry you lost your son.  I am sending prayers and healing love your way right now. . . .

With Love,
Mimi
www.iammimi.com

#85852 From: Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: salt/c herx question
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Linda,
It is important to only ramp up the doses very gradually.  Perhaps one dose a day would be enough for weeks.  See how you feel, but error on the slow side is best.  Your body needs to be able to get rid of what you kill.  Detoxing helps too.
Best to you,
Nancy U.

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, bluewatersforme <bluewatersforme@...> wrote:

From: bluewatersforme <bluewatersforme@...>
Subject: [lymestrategies] salt/c herx question
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:45 AM

 
Hi Everyone,

I have just started the salt/c protocol yesterday with 1mg each 2x day. I took my first dose and I seemed not bad, the prior few days before I was feeling just awful so I really thought I was going to feel even worse. After taking the first dose I just had a slight headache. After taking the second dose, my head started pounding terribly, and my brain fog got worse and I got nauseated. Also I had soreness at the area of my thyroid. (I have a 2cm tumor on thyroid, biopsy came back ok). I was just wondering if anyone has an idea if this could be a herx. reaction and if I should vamp up the does being the only thing that is terrible is the headache.

Thanks in advance for any info.
Linda



#85851 From: "bluewatersforme" <bluewatersforme@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: salt/c herx question
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Hi Everyone,

I have just started the salt/c protocol yesterday with 1mg each 2x day.  I took
my first dose and I seemed not bad, the prior few days before I was feeling just
awful so I really thought I was going to feel even worse.  After taking the
first dose I just had a slight headache.  After taking the second dose, my head
started pounding terribly, and my brain fog got worse and I got nauseated.  Also
I had soreness at the area of my thyroid. (I have a 2cm tumor on thyroid, biopsy
came back ok).  I was just wondering if anyone has an idea if this could be a
herx. reaction and if I should vamp up the does being the only thing that is
terrible is the headache.

Thanks in advance for any info.
Linda

#85850 From: Lin Eac <bluewatersforme@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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I am so very sorry for your loss, just terrible. Thank you for sharing this info and for thinking of others during this difficult time....

In our prayers,
Linda



From: Paul Steel <psteel5@...>
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue

 

This is just awful..Wish you and your family all the best....

Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
 


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
To: lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:08 AM

 
Teresa,
I am so so sorry that you lost your son.  We cannot thank you enough for telling us why so that others can be helped.
Thank you,
Nancy U.

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, revdahn <tcml4160@aol. com> wrote:

From: revdahn <tcml4160@aol. com>
Subject: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
To: lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:19 PM

 
Hi all,

My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age. The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his abdomen.

In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale. He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I now know can happen, it's worth doing.

I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family avoid the pain we're in.

Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland) .




#85849 From: Paul Steel <psteel5@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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This is just awful..Wish you and your family all the best....

Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
 


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@...> wrote:

From: Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@...>
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 11:08 AM

 
Teresa,
I am so so sorry that you lost your son.  We cannot thank you enough for telling us why so that others can be helped.
Thank you,
Nancy U.

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, revdahn <tcml4160@aol. com> wrote:

From: revdahn <tcml4160@aol. com>
Subject: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
To: lymestrategies@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:19 PM

 
Hi all,

My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age. The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his abdomen.

In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale. He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I now know can happen, it's worth doing.

I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family avoid the pain we're in.

Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland) .



#85848 From: Nancy Umberger <ncumberger@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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Teresa,
I am so so sorry that you lost your son.  We cannot thank you enough for telling us why so that others can be helped.
Thank you,
Nancy U.

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, revdahn <tcml4160@...> wrote:

From: revdahn <tcml4160@...>
Subject: [lymestrategies] death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:19 PM

 
Hi all,

My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age. The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his abdomen.

In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale. He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I now know can happen, it's worth doing.

I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family avoid the pain we're in.

Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland) .



#85847 From: "fhgwetzel" <fhgwetzel@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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--My heart is broken for you Teresa, I am so sorry for your loss. I have seven
children , all with lyme , probibly most where born with it as I have had lyme
for at least 28 years. My oldest is 24. I know all too well how lyme affects the
connective tissue but this info is very enlightening, especially for the Biosil.
We have never used allopathic drugs and rely heavily on alternaitves to treat
our lyme & coinfections. I am forever wondering how this horrible disease is
affecting our bodies where we don`t SEE and can`t feel untill it`s too late.
Thank you for sharing this and our family will keep you in our prayers.
                                  Susan in WV


- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "revdahn" <tcml4160@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.
>
> In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.
>
> I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.
>
> Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).
>

#85846 From: "Shelly Axe" <badaboom@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective ti
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Teresa I am so sorry for your loss. My deepest condolences. I will check out this information.
 
Shelly

#85845 From: "haecklers" <haecklers@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Re: gut problems on salt/c
haecklers
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You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking
soda to 2 parts vitamin C).  I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. 
There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with
"ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium
ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are
easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid.  Cathcart writes
about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating,
and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the
protocol.  I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot.  I started with yogurt
and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making
sauerkraut and kimchi.  That worked.  Another thing I found out about later is
s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in
Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO
(applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the
gut heal.  Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a
period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer),
bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me
sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down
there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>

#85844 From: Kendra <KCuyler@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:54 am
Subject: Re: gut problems on salt/c
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Have you tried mixing the salt with a liquid?  Some people use the
vitamin C packets that you mix with water (can't remember the name of
them right now..)  and add the salt to that...

hth
Kendra

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, mumpup2000<leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes
> me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation
> down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie

#85843 From: "bestsurprise2002" <surpriseshan2@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:37 am
Subject: Re: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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Thank you for sharing this Teresa. I wish there was something I could say to
help lessen the pain you must be in. I know there is not ............. my son
was very ill and had heart failure many times as child and I am forever grateful
that he recovered.

        many blessings
           Shan

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> Hi all,
>
> My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.
>
> In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.
>
> I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.
>
> Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).
>

#85842 From: "revdahn" <tcml4160@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:19 am
Subject: death of my son possibly Lyme related--be aware of connective tissue issue
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Hi all,

My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.

In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.

I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.

Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).

#85841 From: Ambitionn01@...
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: OT: Lyme test results.
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Greg:
 
Can you point me to a website about this?  I would like to learn more.
 
Thank you,
 
Heidi N
 
 
From Greg:
"There are now over 30 species known that cause the
Lyme syndrome illnesses."

#85840 From: Andrea Taubman <fuzzylegs@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Subject: RE: 30 things you may not know about Lyme disease
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Thanks for sharing this.  I already poached it from CALDA and posted it on my facebook page, and its already generating a little buzz amongst my friends.  What a lovely and simple tool to convey some very deep emotions around this illness.

-Andrea


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From: msadams@...
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:07:44 -0500
Subject: [lymestrategies] 30 things you may not know about Lyme disease

 

You may have heard of lists like “20 things you don t know about me” making the rounds of social networking sites like Facebook. Here is a new twist, sponsored by the organizers of “Invisible Illness Awareness Week” (September 14-20, 2009). It is a creative way to share your story, help spread the word about Lyme disease…and maybe even win a prize.

Read about it here:

http://www.lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/187.html




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#85839 From: "guacamollyo" <mollyg@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: Off Topic/...BUT NOT REALLY!!
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Everyone needs to be alerted to the dangers of GM (genetically modified) foods! 
This article from News With Views just arrived in my Inbox this morning.  Please
read!

http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey127.htm

We are being poisoned, slowly but surely.

Molly in Texas

#85838 From: surpriseshan2@...
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:30 am
Subject: Non Salt/C - Law on Raw Milk Should Be Overturned
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 Law on Raw Milk Should Be Overturned
by Sally Fallon, president, Weston A. Price Foundation
http://www.townsendletter.com/July2009/rawmilk0709.html
 
 
Testimony before the Senate Agriculture Committee and the Senate Select Committee on Food-Borne Illness (April 15, 2007)
 

Thank you, Senator Florez, for the opportunity to testify before the joint committees today. My name is Sally Fallon. I am testifying in my capacity as the president of the Weston A. Price Foundation, a nonprofit nutrition education foundation; as the founder of A Campaign for Real Milk, which advocates the consumption of unpasteurized whole milk from pasture-fed cows; and as secretary of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, which provides legal defense of farms engaged in raw milk production and direct farm-to-consumer sales. Most importantly, I am testifying here today in my capacity as a mother.
 

And it is as a mother that I will start with three testimonials typical of those we receive almost every day. One comes from a physician who prescribes raw milk to his patients, often with remarkably beneficial effects. One dramatic case involved a 9-month-old boy who had had three ear infections in three months. The child had been fed a number of formulas based on processed cow's milk and soy protein, and the mother had even tried pasteurized goat milk. With each formula, the child suffered recurrent vomiting, diarrhea, and failure to gain weight and thrive; and he had been ill with either viral or bacterial infections almost continuously since early infancy. After the mother switched to a formula based on raw goat milk, however, the diarrhea and vomiting ceased and the child began to gain weight. One year later, he has normal growth and is perfectly healthy.
 

The second comes from a Weston A. Price local chapter leader who reported on a 2-year-old boy with very serious asthma. After the mother put the boy on raw cow*s milk, the child went through the entire winter without a visit to the doctor for any reason and no asthma attacks – except for one, a serious attack that occurred after the boy consumed pasteurized milk while on a family trip.
 

The third involves an autistic 8-year-old boy who had not spoken a word since the sudden onset of autism at the age of 2. After two months on raw cow*s milk, all autistic behavior disappeared, and the child began to babble as a prelude to speech. The only dietary or treatment change was a switch from pasteurized to raw milk.
 

Now please imagine the joy and relief that raw milk has given to the families of these children – an end to suffering, an end to worry. Family life can be normal and happy again. It is testimonials like these that make us so passionate about having access to raw milk and so concerned about the manner in which access to raw milk has been undermined in the state of California with the stealth passage of AB 1735, a law that mandates standards so strict that commercial production of raw milk will become impossible. Our experts here today will testify to the fact that the 10 coliform limit is not only unnecessary for the safety of raw milk, but would actually make raw milk more vulnerable to pathogens.
 

Make no mistake, those who worked behind the scenes for the passage of this law, and our opponents testifying today, do not want the sickly, asthmatic, or autistic child to have access to Nature's perfect healing food. Although couched in terms of public safety, AB 1735 has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with protecting California*s annual $4.5 billion industrial dairy industry, which has to be propped up with an average of $1.6 billion in subsidies every year. This is a modern day example of sacrificing our children on the altar of Baal.
 

The 10 coliform standard is a **test of sterility**, designed not to ensure the cleanliness of a farm but to verify the effectiveness of a processing facility. The Pasteurized Milk Ordinance allows 100,000 coliforms per ml in raw milk from the dairy farm. This 10 coliform standard was not designed to test the cleanliness of a farm, but the effectiveness of the sterilization process at the milk processing plant. It is inappropriate to use a **test of sterility** on raw milk, which is not a sterile product, but a probiotic product. Nonpathogenic coliforms are what consumers are seeking when they choose a raw milk product. Coliforms protect us against pathogens and produce many important nutrients in the digestive tract. They are our friends, not our enemies; and they are being increasingly used by doctors to treat everything from intestinal problems to wounds. Obviously, it is unscientific to claim, as our opponents do, that these same coliforms in milk are dangerous. The medical paradigm has changed; germs are no longer the enemy.
 

You have, of course heard many arguments painting raw milk as a deadly poison, one that has no health benefits. These arguments can only be made on the basis of extreme bias against raw milk, found in numerous articles published in the scientific literature and on government websites. The committee needs to be aware of the double standard applied to raw milk compared to other foods. The most glaring example of this double standard can be found in the FDA Powerpoint presentation on raw milk prepared by Mr. John Sheehan.
 

The Weston A. Price Foundation has presented to this Committee a slide-by-slide response to this document. In it, Mr. Sheehan cites 15 studies to support his statement that **drinking raw milk is like playing Russian roulette with your health.** In analyzing these studies, we found that not one of them proved that pasteurization would have prevented the outbreak. In almost half the studies, Mr. Sheehan misrepresents the conclusions of the study, and in fully 80% of the studies, there was no valid positive milk sample to implicate raw milk. One-third of the studies ignore other more probable vectors of disease in what constitutes clear examples of bias. In one of the studies, the *outbreak* blamed on raw milk did not even exist. The public deserves better from our public servants.
 

Lately, we have seen many reports in the media about outbreaks attributed to raw milk. On inspection, we find a clear pattern of bias, double standard and possibly even fraud regarding these reports. The modus operandi is as follows:

-- When testing raw milk, use cultures to promote pathogen multiplication and highly sensitive milk-testing techniques that find pathogens in extremely small numbers, levels that would not cause illness. (Any substance you test will show pathogens if the test is sensitive enough.)
 
-- Use new rapid testing techniques developed for the food industry, which err on the side of finding false positives. This method is currently being used in Pennsylvania to harass raw milk dairies. The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture then issues an inflammatory press release, which is not retracted with the dairy's own appropriately carried-out tests come back negative.
 
-- When there is an outbreak, use food questionnaires that leave out likely vectors of disease but always include raw milk. In a recent outbreak in Pennsylvania, one member who got sick reported receiving a call from the health department. The department wanted to know whether she had drunk raw milk. She replied that she hadn't but that she suspected undercooked chicken from a local restaurant. But once she replied negatively to the question on raw milk, the department was not interested in pursuing the questioning further, not interesting in tracking down the chicken.
 
-- When there is an outbreak, test raw milk products first, and test them in the home setting rather than from the shelf. If a person is infected and has handled a raw milk product, the product will test positive for the organism. Omit testing other foods or raw milk products on the shelf (not handled by the consumer) but report a positive lab result for the raw milk product. This method has been used to implicate Mexican-style raw milk cheese in numerous reports.
 
-- Omit subjects who got sick but did not drink raw milk. The 2001 Wisconsin outbreak cited on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) website is a good example of this. People who got sick but did not drink raw milk were not admitted to the hospital and did not become part of the official record. Ignore equally likely or more likely sources of infection, such as visit to a farm or petting zoo, tap water, or other foods.
 
-- Assume that statistical association constitutes proof. It is easy to create a statistical association with raw milk using the above techniques.
 
-- Issue inflammatory press releases accusing raw milk, which are not retracted but left on government websites when the dairy is exonerated.
 
 
The industry has used these techniques to make raw milk the whipping boy for outbreaks caused by other foods. It is clear that in recent months government agencies are making a well-coordinated effort to blame some of their most serious problems, such listeria and E. coli O157:H7, on raw milk. The fact that only raw milk was quarantined during the 2006 California E. coli outbreak attributed to spinach is an excellent example of these biased tactics.
 

Meanwhile, problems with pasteurized milk tend to be glossed over or underreported. Recently three people died from listeria in pasteurized milk in Massachusetts. On February 24, 2006, Wal-Mart in Vidalia, Georgia pulled pasteurized milk from shelves due to foul odor. At least one child was seriously sickened, a fact that was not reported in news releases. A voluntary recall was announced three days later – there was no sense of urgency. In fact, Wal-Mart was applauded by [Department of Agriculture] Commissioner Tommy Irvin. There were no government recalls, and no warnings to the public to avoid drinking pasteurized milk. More of the double standard. In 2006, pasteurized milk caused illness in 1300 inmates in 11 California state prisons, yet we heard no outcry to remove this dangerous product from the market.
 

Another example of the double standard comes from the CDC website, which warns against raw milk as a source of salmonella. Yet a few points later, the same document states that unpasteurized milk (in the form of breast milk) is the safest food for infants and that raw breast milk prevents many health problems, including infection by salmonella. Everything that we have learned about the health benefits, immune support, probiotic qualities, and antipathogenic components of raw human milk over the last 40 years applies equally to the raw milk of other species. Studies showing that babies given pasteurized breast milk have more infections, more health problems, and do not grow as well compared to raw breast milk apply equally to the milk from other species.
 

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) calls drinking raw milk **risky behavior**  A 1999 FDA survey involving 19,356 adults in eight states found that 50% consumed uncooked eggs, 20% consumed pink hamburgers, 8% consumed raw oysters, while a mere 1% consumed raw milk. A 2008 study of 4,548 young college students reported that 53% consumed raw cookie dough; 33% consumed eggs with runny yolks; 29% consumed raw sprouts; 11% consumed raw oysters, clams, or mussels; and 7% consumed rare hamburger. The study did not report raw milk consumption. Yes none of the common **risky behaviors**  has prominence on FDA's website for food safety – only raw milk is singled out – and there are no pasteurization requirement for common **risky behavior**  foods.
 

Government officials also insist that raw milk provides no health benefits compared to pasteurized and ultrapasteurized milk. (It should be pointed out that most milk today is ultrapasteurized, a process that rapidly takes the fragile milk proteins to a temperature well above the boiling point.) The evidence for the superior health benefits of raw milk comes in the form of scientific studies published in peer-reviewed journals, and it corroborates the hundreds of testimonials that we have received on the benefits of raw milk from young and old, some of which you will hear today. Opponents of raw milk are uniformly condescending towards individual testimonials, dismissing them as anecdotal. Yet for the individuals and families involved, these testimonials are pure science – objective conclusions drawn from before-and-after observation of conditions incumbent on a single variable, the addition of raw milk to the diet.
 

The second document presented to the committee is a Powerpoint presentation prepared by the Weston A. Price Foundation, which addresses the safety, health benefits, and economic considerations of raw milk. This document is fully referenced and contains all the scientific studies that we know about. In it, we provide the math for that $64,000 question – what is the safety record of raw milk vs. pasteurized and vs. other foods on a per-serving basis? The CDC estimates that on a per-serving basis, one is ten times more likely to become ill from Listeria monocytogenes from eating deli meats than from consuming raw milk – and this estimate is based on the exaggerated and biased reports mentioned earlier, which blame raw milk but do not prove that it caused an illness. Here we have yet another example of the double standard applied to raw milk. Where are the FDA*s charges that deli meats are **inherently dangerous and should not be consumed?**  Where is the FDA*s exhortation to **everyone charged with protecting the public health**  to **prevent the sale of deli meats to consumers** ?
 

By our calculations, pasteurized milk is 1.1 and 15.3 times more dangerous than raw milk on a per-serving basis. Even using government statistics that inflate the danger of raw milk, it is easy to calculate that one is over 2,000 times more likely, on a per-serving basis, to contract illness from other foods than from raw milk. In fact, the only way to reduce the risk of food-borne illness to zero is to stop eating and die of starvation … or to consume raw milk on a regular basis to ensure immunity to pathogens.
 

Our Powerpoint presentation details the health benefits of raw milk in studies going back over 80 years. Raw milk is superior to pasteurized milk in building strong bones, preventing tooth decay, supporting normal growth and development, preventing asthma and allergies, and providing protection against infectious and chronic disease. The latest study comes from Europe, where investigators found, in a study of 14,893 children aged 5 to 13, that consumption of raw milk was the strongest factor for reducing the risk of asthma and allergy, whether the children lived on a farm or not. The benefits were greatest when consumption of raw milk began during the first year of life. About 5 million children are afflicted with asthma, and 5,500 people in the US die from asthma each year. About 1,250 people in the US die from food-borne pathogens from all sources with virtually no deaths from raw milk. Thus, the risk of dying from asthma is over four times greater than the risk of dying from food-borne pathogens from all sources, and infinitely greater than the risk of dying from raw milk. Yet defenders of the dairy industry insist that children should not have the right to consume raw milk, even hinting that parents who love their children enough to give them raw milk are guilty of neglect.
 

Our opponents today will insist that raw milk is inherently dangerous and that there is no way to make it safe. These arguments are based on 40-year-old science and a discredited medical paradigm. Raw milk is inherently safe, safer than any other food, and we have the technology and knowledge today to get safe raw milk to children in every part of the country. Our opponents will insist that raw milk has no health benefits compared to pasteurized. They will omit mention of the many studies that show that pasteurization destroys the vital qualities of milk, reduces nutrient assimilation, and renders it allergenic and difficult to digest. In response to this, I quote Sinclair Lewis: **It is very difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.**   **
 

A final argument against raw milk goes like this: if raw milk results in an outbreak, this would cause people to stop drinking milk altogether and adversely affect the whole milk industry. I hope your intelligence is not insulted with such an argument today. The industry does its best to publicize any possible problem caused by raw milk in an effort to staunch the declining sales of pasteurized and ultrapasteurized milk, a product that fewer and fewer consumers can tolerate.
 

In summary, I urge the joint committees to work towards overturning AB 1735 and doing everything in their power to support raw milk in California. Opposition to raw milk is illogical, it is unscientific, it is expensive, it is heartless and cruel. The child who benefits from raw milk – perhaps even whose life is saved by raw milk – may be your own child, or your own grandchild, or even a child or grandchild of our opponents – our efforts are dedicated to all children. We have the knowledge and technology today to get safe raw milk to every child who needs it, and we ask that you work with us, not against us, to achieve this important goal.
 
 
 
** Editor*s note: Actual quote was by Upton Sinclair, **It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!**
 

 

#85837 From: "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:56 pm
Subject: gut problems on salt/c
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Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me
sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down
there etc due to years of celebrex.
thanks,
Leonie

#85836 From: "vannedavis" <vannedavis@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:45 am
Subject: i've been thinking about trying to slowly get off of pristiq because.......
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even on it, when i go into a hellish herx, it doesn't seem to help at all with
suicidial thoughts/deep depression/horrific anxiety.

SO--if it isn't truly helping me, i can't think of a reason to try to stay on
it.

i had thought i'd just wait until i got much farther along with treatment for
chronic lyme/babesia/bartonella/elrichi(sp?) and west nile virus, meningitis(EBV
turned into THAT!!!)....etc....etc....

in the past, when i've slowly gotten myself off of paxil, i just did it slowly
and it was under the supervision of my MD.

since, my LLMD has switched me to pristiq from paxil, i'm not quite certain what
the best route would be as i lower the dose....

and, as i lower it, if for any reason it seems to completely spiral me down into
the darkest of dark places, then i will naturally re-think it.

but since, i already go to that scary frightening place that each over-the-top
herx causes me, i can not tell that pristiq is helping with that since its lyme
induced....and i know as i get farther along with recrecovering from lyme and
company that that will be just one of the wonderful symptoms of having hellish
severe strains of lyme/babesia/bartonella.....

we do know that the lyme has already caused some brain damage which many say IS
reversable once lyme is taken care of--so, i really don't want to be adding to
the brain damage via an antidepressant.

any one out there with suggestions on the best way to slowly get off of
pristiq???

if not--when i see my LLMD in october, i can ask him then--but my quantum
physics techniques specialist is really hoping i will be able to begin to slowly
get off so many of the meds that i've had to be on--and then of course, i have
to explain to him---help me get MUCH MUCH farther along in my recovery and then
i won't have a need for all the painkillers/sleep
meds/antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds.....

any recommendations from anyone???

thanks everyone for offerring such rich info on here--i for one am SO grateful!

warmly,

-anne davis

#85835 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:53 am
Subject: Re: Salt/C success against mycoplasma?
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Hi hcallahan,

Welcome to the board - great to have you here;-)


One of the attractions of this protocal is that it would seem to be effective against all types of bacteria...not just Lyme. am I correct about this?
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Yes, the effects of the protocol, (including something called "osmotic shock") is effective not only against ALL forms of Borrelia (infective and noninfective) it is effective against other bacteria and parasites.


I wish there were some real studies on this protocal instead of just anecdotal reports.
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Yes, like Rife devices, Teasel therapy, etc. etc., there are no formal studies as these are largely grass-roots developed alternatives to the dismal lack of study and address by allopathic medicine (and this noted by doctors themselves who've contracted Lyme).  This is similar to the "Lorenzo's Oil" true story where two parents uncovered an effective remedy based upon natural oils for their son's rare disease that saved his early death (famous move made about it some years ago).  The salt/C was originated by folks with some medical education who, out of desperation after aggressive antibiotic failure, treated themselves to symptom-free with it. 

It must be realized that the above effective protocols lack an important item involved in most formal funded research...profit.  Did you know the Heimlich Maneuver, which has literally saved thousands of lives since it was developed, has never been formally put to double-blind type study?  No profit.  Likewise with ancient acupuncture technology and many others.

It is hoped a university study may be done at some point, and if not here perhaps in another country.  It should be noted though, that in the January 2005 issue of the Townsend Letter For Doctors, an article on Lyme reported this protocol and a likely antibacterial mechanism at work with it as a result of a UCLA study showing raised saline caused formation of certain peptides that impaired pathogenic bacterium's cell wall.


Does anyone here beleive that they have been completely cured by Salt/C? thoughts welcomed!
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With Lyme, belief is subordinate to actuality.  By this I mean, either it works or doesn't.  This is particularly evident with animals which have been helped with the protocol.  They don't "believe" something works or not.  it either does or doesn't.  No placebo possible with them.  There have been a great many who have substantially improved or recovered altogether.  Unfortunately, those who recover tend to want to put the "dark days" behind and go back to productive lives again and maybe revisit here and there, but do not post regularly.  And, I've just found that these Yahoo Groups board's searching function only searches back now to the beginning of this year for some reason, which is a problem I am taking up with them - for there is a rich archive of former postings that should be available.
Personally, I will always post when I can get here per my crazy schedule currently - but I have recovered from Lyme, babesia, mycoplasma, etc. and test negative for these now.

In another post you reference Ken Lassen's survey on CFS showing salt/c good results (though not a specific protocol for CFS).  It is a limited sampling but there is another survey of just salt/C users from last year that we have just not been able to get compiled due to time constraints.  It is a survey of 150 users and revealed improvement in the 90% range of the users (symptoms arrested, improved, reversed, near-alleviation to alleviated).  This is unheard of as far as any Lyme treatment we know of.  Particularly because the users surveyed were in different places on the protocol (some finished, some on for a time, some just starting,etc.)  So,  we are going to try and go back and co-relate as best we can to gains-related-to-protocol-time to see if there's a pattern.
A key item though, was that of those that greatly improved or recovered altogether, they all applied the "Scale-Up Method" exactly as given in link 4 here or in detail in the eBook.

Hope this helps.

Onward & upward,

Marc

#85834 From: "Scott Adams" <msadams@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:07 am
Subject: 30 things you may not know about Lyme disease
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You may have heard of lists like “20 things you don t know about me” making the rounds of social networking sites like Facebook. Here is a new twist, sponsored by the organizers of “Invisible Illness Awareness Week” (September 14-20, 2009). It is a creative way to share your story, help spread the word about Lyme disease…and maybe even win a prize.

Read about it here:

http://www.lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/187.html


#85833 From: "hcallahan45" <hcallahan45@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: OT: Lyme tests Jim??
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Thanks for the survey Greg...helpful...wish the sample group was larger! 
Interesting that the Marshall protocal had so many negative outcomes



your post!!
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#85832 From: Greg Wolff <pgwolff@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: OT: Lyme tests Jim??
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Please read this web page.  http://www.lassesen.com/cfids/raw_survey_results.htm

It shows the results from a survey of patients who used various
protocols to attempt to address CFS.  (many believe that CFS/CFIDS is
just Lyme under a different name)

The Salt/C protocol comes out as a "1st".  It helps and the people
using it were not harmed by it.  Safe and Effective, but not a
guaranteed cure.  While it doesn't work for everybody, it doesn't hurt
them either.  But do follow the instructions for scaling up slowly.
If you ramp Salt / C too fast you will herx too strongly and that
REALLY can be overwhelming.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM, hcallahan45<hcallahan45@...> wrote:
> Jim read your post with much interest as I have a positive Igenex test for
lyme...though its negative for babesia...and I tested very high for WA1
antibodies to Babesia Duncani.  Do I treat for Lyme under these circumstances?
 Who knows? Certainly don't want to take years of ABX based on these dubious
test results.  I think Lyme is overdiagnosed.  I think mycoplasma, chlamydia and
other bacterial infections can cause a lot of the same symptoms and may be
mistaken for lyme....that's why I am hoping Salt/C can help....because in theory
it should wipe out all types of Bacteria.  Unfortunately most Doctors think this
is a wacky and possibly dangerous protocal.  Very frustrating to be sick with
few clear options.  Hopefully Salt/C won't do to much damage if it doesnt work.
 Thanks for your post!!
>

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