Don't U mean DLG Licorice? Carmi

-- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Wilson" <wilson33@...> wrote:
>
> Someone suggested DRG licorice which is chewable - it seemed to help my
> tummy when it felt like crap. Milk Thistle is very good for liver support.
> Someone said take 2 hrs away from salt, but I've never been very good at
> juggeling times.
>
> Just took things as much as i could when I didn't feel too bad.
>
>   _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of bluewatersforme
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:02 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: salt/c herx question
>
>
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com,
>
> >Thanks for replying and sharing your info. I will take it slow and see what
> comes. In your experiences, is it ok to take other supplements like Olive
> leaf, systemic enzymes, cq10, spiro, mangosteen, milk thistle etc or will it
> effect the salt/c protocol? I also will try to detox better, my "gut" is
> feeling horrible and very nauseated.
>
> To better days for all of us,
> Linda
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Nancy Wilson

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:51 PM

Subject: [SPAM] RE: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

Does anyone know where to buy DMSO cream?

 

Nancy W

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From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of haecklers
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:55 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: gut problems on salt/c

 

You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking soda to 2 parts vitamin C). I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with "ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid. Cathcart writes about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating, and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the protocol. I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot. I started with yogurt and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making sauerkraut and kimchi. That worked. Another thing I found out about later is s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO (applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the gut heal. Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer), bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com,

>Thanks for replying and sharing your info.  I will take it slow and see what
comes. In your experiences, is it ok to take other supplements like Olive leaf,
systemic enzymes, cq10, spiro, mangosteen, milk thistle etc or will it effect
the salt/c protocol? I also will try to detox better, my "gut" is feeling
horrible and very nauseated.

To better days for all of us,
Linda
> >
>

When I started the salt/c protocol, I was interested in the theory that high
(bowel tolerance) doses of vitamin C would detox the body so I ramped up the
salt but started out with the C at very high doses.  It didn't give me a
headache to speak of.  That's not for everyone, tho and since, my favorite
detoxer is taking charcoal capsules whenever I start feeling off.  I found less
than 3 doesn't do much, tho, and you'd want to take them 2 hours either side of
taking supplements or food you want to digest as they bind and carry things out
of you - good for toxins but bad for nutrients or vitamins.  You can find them
pretty easily in health food stores and they don't cost much.

I think the headache theory is that the liver cleanses the blood, gets rid of
toxins via bile, which if it doesn't get out quickly can get back into the blood
and cause the headache.  So an enema is one way to get rid of a headache, but
taking charcoal which binds with the toxins in the gut is another.  When I get
toxic and get a headache, my digestion feels off, my stomach may feel bloated,
and I retain water, so it's pretty clear in my case it's coming from the gut.

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "bluewatersforme" <bluewatersforme@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have just started the salt/c protocol yesterday with 1mg each 2x day.  I
took my first dose and I seemed not bad, the prior few days before I was feeling
just awful so I really thought I was going to feel even worse.  After taking the
first dose I just had a slight headache.  After taking the second dose, my head
started pounding terribly, and my brain fog got worse and I got nauseated.  Also
I had soreness at the area of my thyroid. (I have a 2cm tumor on thyroid, biopsy
came back ok).  I was just wondering if anyone has an idea if this could be a
herx. reaction and if I should vamp up the does being the only thing that is
terrible is the headache.
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> Linda
>

Hi Everyone,

I have just started the salt/c protocol yesterday with 1mg each 2x day.  I took
my first dose and I seemed not bad, the prior few days before I was feeling just
awful so I really thought I was going to feel even worse.  After taking the
first dose I just had a slight headache.  After taking the second dose, my head
started pounding terribly, and my brain fog got worse and I got nauseated.  Also
I had soreness at the area of my thyroid. (I have a 2cm tumor on thyroid, biopsy
came back ok).  I was just wondering if anyone has an idea if this could be a
herx. reaction and if I should vamp up the does being the only thing that is
terrible is the headache.

Thanks in advance for any info.
Linda

--My heart is broken for you Teresa, I am so sorry for your loss. I have seven
children , all with lyme , probibly most where born with it as I have had lyme
for at least 28 years. My oldest is 24. I know all too well how lyme affects the
connective tissue but this info is very enlightening, especially for the Biosil.
We have never used allopathic drugs and rely heavily on alternaitves to treat
our lyme & coinfections. I am forever wondering how this horrible disease is
affecting our bodies where we don`t SEE and can`t feel untill it`s too late.
Thank you for sharing this and our family will keep you in our prayers.
                                  Susan in WV


- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "revdahn" <tcml4160@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.
>
> In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.
>
> I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.
>
> Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).
>

You can buffer the acid of ascorbic acid with baking soda, 1:2 (one part baking
soda to 2 parts vitamin C).  I buy the powdered ascorbic acid bulk and do that. 
There are also buffered vitamin C's out there - look for a mineral name with
"ascorbate" as the second word - they are buffered vitamin C - magnesium
ascorbate contains extra magnesium (a good thing) - also calcium, sodium are
easy to find.

But if it's messing up your gut it probably isn't the acid.  Cathcart writes
about how in people with candida infections the vitamin C causes gas, bloating,
and discomfort. I used to practically be a trumpet when I first started the
protocol.  I found that lots of probiotics helped a lot.  I started with yogurt
and the pills but they weren't strong enough for me so then I started making
sauerkraut and kimchi.  That worked.  Another thing I found out about later is
s. boulardii, a kind of non-colonizing yeast sold as "Yeast Against Yeast" in
Europe, which is pretty impressive.

If you have inflammation in your gut, I've read an interesting piece on how DMSO
(applied anywhere on the body) can reduce the inflammation and really help the
gut heal.  Other things that really help are juicing as much as possible for a
period of time (raw carrot juice, etc - if you have or can borrow a juicer),
bone broth, and raw milk (seeds the gut with probiotics and soothes it in many).

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me
sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down
there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie
>

Have you tried mixing the salt with a liquid?  Some people use the
vitamin C packets that you mix with water (can't remember the name of
them right now..)  and add the salt to that...

hth
Kendra

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, mumpup2000<leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes
> me sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation
> down there etc due to years of celebrex.
> thanks,
> Leonie

Thank you for sharing this Teresa. I wish there was something I could say to
help lessen the pain you must be in. I know there is not ............. my son
was very ill and had heart failure many times as child and I am forever grateful
that he recovered.

        many blessings
           Shan

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "revdahn" <tcml4160@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.
>
> In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.
>
> I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.
>
> Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).
>

Hi all,

My incredible, talented, funny son died July 12 at age 20. I have Lyme, got it
before I became pregnant with any of my kids. My youngest daughter Lizzie has
Lyme; Ted had symptoms but was a firm believer in the allopathic way, like his
dad, and after one negative test refused to explore it any further. The cause of
his death was a splenic aneurism, extremely rare especially in someone his age.
The pathologist nearly did not diagnose an aneurism because instead of having a
weak spot in the artery, the entire artery was weak, 'perfuse', although the
head of emergency medicine said it looked like an explosion had happened in his
abdomen.

In talking with our LLMD, (Dr. K) I discovered that Lyme can definitely affect
connective tissue, which I wasn't aware of before---at least not on this scale.
He has Lizzie and I on Biosil, which helps strengthen connective tissue. It's
cheap, available through Amazon, and if you're not on it you might want to check
it out. There's also a company called Life Screening that does fairly cheap
diagnostic tests that check for aneurisms. Given what we've all got, and what I
now know can happen, it's worth doing.

I just wanted to spread the word on some things that might help your family
avoid the pain we're in.

Teresa (now in Kenmore, formerly of Switzerland).

Everyone needs to be alerted to the dangers of GM (genetically modified) foods! 
This article from News With Views just arrived in my Inbox this morning.  Please
read!

http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey127.htm

We are being poisoned, slowly but surely.

Molly in Texas

Hi - what can i do to buffer the effects of salt on my gut? I find it makes me
sick but i dont want to stop. I have a dodgy gut because of inflammation down
there etc due to years of celebrex.
thanks,
Leonie

even on it, when i go into a hellish herx, it doesn't seem to help at all with
suicidial thoughts/deep depression/horrific anxiety.

SO--if it isn't truly helping me, i can't think of a reason to try to stay on
it.

i had thought i'd just wait until i got much farther along with treatment for
chronic lyme/babesia/bartonella/elrichi(sp?) and west nile virus, meningitis(EBV
turned into THAT!!!)....etc....etc....

in the past, when i've slowly gotten myself off of paxil, i just did it slowly
and it was under the supervision of my MD.

since, my LLMD has switched me to pristiq from paxil, i'm not quite certain what
the best route would be as i lower the dose....

and, as i lower it, if for any reason it seems to completely spiral me down into
the darkest of dark places, then i will naturally re-think it.

but since, i already go to that scary frightening place that each over-the-top
herx causes me, i can not tell that pristiq is helping with that since its lyme
induced....and i know as i get farther along with recrecovering from lyme and
company that that will be just one of the wonderful symptoms of having hellish
severe strains of lyme/babesia/bartonella.....

we do know that the lyme has already caused some brain damage which many say IS
reversable once lyme is taken care of--so, i really don't want to be adding to
the brain damage via an antidepressant.

any one out there with suggestions on the best way to slowly get off of
pristiq???

if not--when i see my LLMD in october, i can ask him then--but my quantum
physics techniques specialist is really hoping i will be able to begin to slowly
get off so many of the meds that i've had to be on--and then of course, i have
to explain to him---help me get MUCH MUCH farther along in my recovery and then
i won't have a need for all the painkillers/sleep
meds/antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds.....

any recommendations from anyone???

thanks everyone for offerring such rich info on here--i for one am SO grateful!

warmly,

-anne davis

One of the attractions of this protocal is that it would seem to be effective against all types of bacteria...not just Lyme. am I correct about this?

I wish there were some real studies on this protocal instead of just anecdotal reports.

Does anyone here beleive that they have been completely cured by Salt/C? thoughts welcomed!

Thanks for the survey Greg...helpful...wish the sample group was larger! 
Interesting that the Marshall protocal had so many negative outcomes



your post!!
> >
>

Please read this web page.  http://www.lassesen.com/cfids/raw_survey_results.htm

It shows the results from a survey of patients who used various
protocols to attempt to address CFS.  (many believe that CFS/CFIDS is
just Lyme under a different name)

The Salt/C protocol comes out as a "1st".  It helps and the people
using it were not harmed by it.  Safe and Effective, but not a
guaranteed cure.  While it doesn't work for everybody, it doesn't hurt
them either.  But do follow the instructions for scaling up slowly.
If you ramp Salt / C too fast you will herx too strongly and that
REALLY can be overwhelming.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:06 PM, hcallahan45<hcallahan45@...> wrote:
> Jim read your post with much interest as I have a positive Igenex test for
lyme...though its negative for babesia...and I tested very high for WA1
antibodies to Babesia Duncani.  Do I treat for Lyme under these circumstances?
 Who knows? Certainly don't want to take years of ABX based on these dubious
test results.  I think Lyme is overdiagnosed.  I think mycoplasma, chlamydia and
other bacterial infections can cause a lot of the same symptoms and may be
mistaken for lyme....that's why I am hoping Salt/C can help....because in theory
it should wipe out all types of Bacteria.  Unfortunately most Doctors think this
is a wacky and possibly dangerous protocal.  Very frustrating to be sick with
few clear options.  Hopefully Salt/C won't do to much damage if it doesnt work.
 Thanks for your post!!
>