Do Bartonella Infections Cause Agitation, Panic Disorder, and
Treatment-Resistant Depression?
Posted 09/13/2007. James L. Schaller, MD, MAR; Glenn A. Burkland, DMD; P.J.
Langhoff
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/562276
86 References & info about these doctors
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/schaller_articles/SchalArtBartonellaInfe\
ctions.pdf
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/bartonella_infections.html

Bartonella Promotes Addiction, Aggression and Character Disorders
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/schaller_articles/SchalArtStealthBugs.pd\
f

The World's Top Stealth Bug Ends Marriages, Friendships and Jobs
Bartonella Promotes Addiction, Aggression and Character Disorders
Dr. James Schaller, M.D.
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/schaller_articles/SchalArtStealthBugs.pd\
f

Bartonella
Psychiatric Symptoms & Neurological Symptoms
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/bartonellasymptoms.html


Ignore Bartonella and Stay Ill, Lose a Relationship or Job or Hurt an Organ
Trivializing Bartonella attached to Red Blood Cells is Ignoring TNT?
Radically New 2008 Information about a Flea and Tick Infection More Common than
Lyme
By Dr. James Schaller, MD.
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/bartonellanewinfo2008.html

       I didn't truely really understand what "Treatment-Resistant Depression"
was - now I do.

               blessings
                  Shan

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "leonie cent" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,  does anyone have any info on anxiety caused by co-infections like
Bartonella etc ?  It's all new to me.
>
> thanks,
> Leonie
>

Hi
  My daughter suffered for 5 years with Psychiatric Lyme...mis- diagnosed as
Rapid Cycling Bipolar and Hypochondriasis. At 14 she got a flu-like illness and
daily blasting headaches and by the age of 16 she was suicidal,
raging/manic/depressed, hallucinating,and had a complete personality change
along with severe bodily pains. The salt/c was tried but her stomach could not
tolerate it or food for that matter. We finally found the BODIHEALTH/JAI low
current technology treatments by the EPRT company and with in 6 MONTHS ALL
SYMPTOMS WERE VANISHED! My "crazy" daughter is now normal and pain free and 21
years old. Abx and herbs were tried but by the 6th month the herxes were so
intolerable and the brain herxes so bad(mentally) that she gave up and was self
medicating with illegal drugs. The treatment that helped her so much is being
done at a clinic in Encinitas ( San Diego county). SHE IS TRYING TO GET BACK THE
CHILDHOOD SHE LOST TO THIS DISEASE!

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mumpup2000" <leoniecent@...> wrote:
>
> Dear group....Does anyone here suffer from psychiatric Lyme ? If so, do you do
the salt/c protocol ?...
> thanks from Leonie
>

I'm wondering if I can implement the salt/C protocol while on antibiotics or if
I should wait to complete them.  The doctor put me on 3 months of doxycycline.
Thanks,
Patty

You attitude reminds me of Walter Last. Have you read any of his books or
articles? A  couple of his books are now on the internet to download free.
Healing Foods was his main and basic book and protocol that formed the basic of
healing for all conditions. I have this now on Word documents by chapter. I also
have his ebooks on Candida as  well as the one for Allergies and Asthma -which
are also free downloads now.

HEALING FOODS
Walter Last
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/contents.html

Nutrition is the main tool with which I helped patients overcome a wide range of
diseases claimed medically to be incurable. Unnatural nutrition is one of the
major causes of most of our diseases, while natural nutrition is an equally
powerful agent in curing these diseases and rejuvenating our bodies.

I feel that my training and work experience as research chemist, biochemist and
toxicologist, together with that of practising nutritionist and natural
therapist, allow me an insight that would not have been possible if I had worked
only as a conventional scientist or as a natural therapist.

The information in this book has grown out of practical experience in the
prevention as well as the cure of most of our chronic and medically incurable
diseases and is therefore more useful.

Most of our commonly eaten foods contribute to gradual health deterioration and
the development of chronic diseases. This book explains in detail why and how
our everyday 'problem' foods cause our diseases and how potent health foods can
be used to cure these diseases and rejuvenate our bodies.

Healing Foods gives the theoretical explanations so that you, the reader, can
make intelligent and informed choices. Depending on your health goals and
present health problems, you may either make some gradual adjustments to your
present diet or decide to go all the way and experiment with the most powerful
health diet designed to cure incurable diseases and rejuvenate body and mind.
The reward in terms of improved health is generally proportional to the effort

Walter Last, Mackay, Australia 2007



CONTENTS


INTRODUCTION



Chapter 1: BASIC HEALTH IMPROVEMENT


Chapter 1-1 of Healing Foods.
THE ROAD TOWARDS DISEASE; THE ROAD TOWARDS HEALTH; more. Become aware of the
factors that cause our diseases
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF1-1.html


Chapter 1-2 of Healing Foods
INTESTINAL SANITATION -Clean out and sanitize your gastro-intestinal tract
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF1-2.html


Chapter 1-3 of Healing Foods
FASTING AND CLEANSING - Become clean on the inside by removing accumulated
wastes and toxins
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF1-3.html


Chapter 1-4 of Healing Foods
ALLERGY TESTING - Discover and overcome your food allergies and chemical
sensitivities
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF1-4.html


Chapter 1-5 of Healing Foods
GENERAL DIET RULES - Understand the principles of healthy selection, preparation
and combining of foods. This is not an exact science but more a rule of thumb.
Its main importance is to show you in which direction to move in your food
selection if you feel that your health or emotions are out of balance.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF1-5.html



Chapter 2: FOOD GROUPS AND DIETS

Chapter 2-1 of Healing Foods
FOOD GROUPS
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF2-1.html


Chapter 2-2 of Healing Foods
HEALTH DIETS - Adopt a healthy diet suited for the specific requirements of your
body
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF2-2.html


Chapter 2-3 of Healing Foods
RAW-FOOD DIET; SLIMMING; HYPOGLYCEMIA DIET
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF2-3.html


Chapter 2-4 of Healing Foods
WATER & JUICES. Vegetable juices, Juicers, Grasses and Weeds, Nutrients in Grass
Juice
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF2-4.html


Chapter 2-5 of Healing Foods
RECIPES - Here are some ideas for transforming healthy foods into enjoyable
meals
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF2-5.html



Chapter 3: HEALTH FOODS AND NUTRIENTS

Chapter 3-1 of Healing Foods
SPECIAL HEALTH FOODS; LAXATIVE FOODS
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF3-1.html


Chapter 3-2 of Healing Foods
VITAMINS - Find out what Vitamins do and if you have increased requirements for
any of them
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF3-2.html#vitamins


Chapter 3-3 of Healing Foods
MINERALS - Find out what Minerals do and if you have any increased requirements
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF3-3.html#minerals


Chapter 3-4 of Healing Foods
AMINO ACIDS - Find out what Amino Acids do and if you have increased
requirements for any of them
DIGESTIVE ENZYMES - Find out what digestive enzymes do and if you have increased
requirements for any of them.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF3-4.html#amino


Chapter 3-5 of Healing Foods
SUPPLEMENTS -What to use and how to take it? See how nutritional supplements can
help you
HERBS - You may benefit from using herbal remedies instead of drugs
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF3-5.html#Supplements



Chapter 4: PROBLEM FOODS AND FOOD PROLEMS

Chapter 4-1 of Healing Foods
COW'S MILK PRODUCTS & LACTOSE;
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-1.html


Chapter 4-2 of Healing Foods
WHEAT AND GLUTEN - Have a closer look at wheat and gluten. In some form they can
be beneficial but as commonly used they tend to create a lot of problems for our
health
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-2.html#Wheat


Chapter 4-3 of Healing Foods
SWEET FOOD - In some form sweet foods can be beneficial but as commonly used,
they tend to create a lot of problems for our health; DIABETES, HYPERACTIVITY
AND ADD, PROBLEMS OF HYPOGLYCEMICS, SYMPTOMS OF ALLERGY AND BLOOD-SUGAR
PROBLEMS, FRUCTOSE AND THE DISACCHARIDE EFFECT, NATURAL
SWEET FOODS. As a general rule, for most individuals it is best to reserve sweet
food as a rare treat for special occasions rather than use it as an everyday
food
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-3.html#Sweet_Food


Chapter 4-4 of Healing Foods
MEAT AND FAT - Have a closer look at meat and fat. They can be beneficial but as
commonly used they tend to create a lot of problems for our health.
POLYUNSATURATED OILS, OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS, SATURATED FAT,
CHOLESTEROL
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-4.html


Chapter 4-5 of Healing Foods
CHEMICALS AND OTHER FOOD PROBLEMS - Minimize chemicals, molds and other food
problems, your body will thank you for it. Added Chemicals, Chlorination,
Fluoridation, Aluminum, Mercury, Cooking, Harmful Eating Habits, Stimulants,
Yeasts and Molds,
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-5.html



Chapter 5: METABOLISM AND METABOLIC TYPES

Chapter 5-1 of Healing Foods
METABOLIC TYPES - Find out your metabolic type and your specific dietary
requirements
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF5-1.html


Chapter 5-2 of Healing Foods
METABOLIC PATHWAYS. GLYCOLYSIS AND CITRIC ACID CYCLE, Fig. 5-2: CELLULAR ENERGY
METABOLISM, ABNORMAL GLUCOSE METABOLISM, DIABETES, ABNORMAL FAT METABOLISM,
SUB-OXIDIZERS AND CANCER,
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF5-2.html


Chapter 5-3 of Healing Foods
DIETS FOR METABOLIC TYPES. Plus a chart with FOOD LIST FOR BLOOD GROUPS.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF5-3.html



Originally published by Penguin Books Australia in 1992, now out of print.
Updated and modified for the Health-Science-Spirit website in 2003, revised
Hungarian edition in 2007


     I also find that Bee Wilder's diet protocol is amazingly effective  with a
great  many diseases/conditions.
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

           I have been seriously considering following the info in Walter Lasts
book and also Bee's suggestions to use food to strengthen, balance and improve
my immune system.

         blessings
           Shan


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "shepdog87" <shepdog@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  That's four questions, Scotty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        ????????Question for you Shep???????
>
>
>         OK
>
>       ??????Did you have Chronic Lyme???????
>
>
>        Short answer, yes, according to a few blood sucking quacks and labs
like Igenex and all those hoards of other leeches profiting from germ theory and
our suffering.
>
>        Long answer, no, twas chronic toxemia from living in a toxic world,
eating toxic food in harmful combination. I was sick when the tick bit.
>
>
>
> ??????Are you cured now???????
>
>
>       Small answer, yes, understanding the word "cured" as an abstract
concept.
>
>       Long answer, no, if you mean symptom free. I understand that after 50
years of toxemia there is going to be lingering scaring from organic damage.
I've expected 7 years to heal from the beginning. But the fatigue is gone,
replaced with super vitality and a movie star body, lol. (my sis made this
comment).
>
>
>  ????????If so why do you think you are totally cured????????
>
>       Refer to preceding long answer.
>
>
>
>          ????????how did you do it????????
>
>          Short answer, I quit attacking the disease and concentrated on
improving my health.
>
>          Long answer, refer to post #84806, only 11 replys! Oh well the sun is
shining and I have a boat to build.
>
>
>          All you have to do is to STOP doing the things that are doing you
harm. Your body, given favorable circumstances and with its inbuilt wisdom, will
soon restore itself.
>
>      Nature doesn't cure anything , it's designrd to heal.
>
>               Shep
>

More: "Unique Side Effects
Fluoroquinolones, however, are well-known for their ability to block GABA
receptors in the brain. Gamma-aminobutyric acid is a major inhibitory
neurotransmitter and most sedative drugs (and some anticonvulsants) either
increase the levels of GABA or simulate its actions. Blocking the GABA receptor
can lead to psychosis, depression and even seizures. Fluoroquinolones can also
damage the tendons.

Many drugs in the class have been withdrawn from the market because of adverse
effects. Some examples of fluoroquinolones still on the market include:

ciprofloxacin (Cipro, Ciloxan)
gatifloxacin (Tequin)
levofloxacin (Levaquin, Tavanic)
lomefloxacin (Maxaquin)
moxifloxacin (Avelox)
norfloxacin (Noroxin)
ofloxacin (Floxin, Tarivid)
Not all of these medications are available in all countries and brand names may
vary.

Fluoroquinolones can cause long-lasting, even permanent damage, including
symptoms like neuropathy (nerve damage) which may lead to severe pain. It is
impossible to predict who gets this reaction, but corticosteroids (like
prednisone), NSAIDs (like ibuprofen) and caffeine may increase the risk and
should not be combined with fluoroquinolones.

Some people who have been damaged by fluoroquinolones - they often call
themselves "floxed" - have extensive disability, with problems like fatigue,
muscle weakness, cognitive problems, neurological symptoms, cardiac arrhythmia,
hearing loss, rashes, headaches, anxiety, tremor, and extensive pain. The
resulting illness may resemble fibromyalgia and CFS/ME. For many, it is a living
hell.

Some of the affected appear to recover from this reaction in a few weeks or
months, but others may be left with permanent, devastating disability. It is
difficult to prove that the symptoms are caused by the drugs, as most doctors
aren't aware of such severe reactions and the companies manufacturing them are
not keen on admitting the problems.

A paper published in a medical journal in 1996 suggests that symptoms of
"floxing" may be ameliorated by gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), also known as
sodium oxybate. This medication is available in the United States and some other
countries as the sleeping aid Xyrem, but it is officially only approved for
narcolepsy and is very expensive. The muscle relaxant baclofen (Lioresal) may
act in a similar fashion.



Read more:
http://chronicillness.suite101.com/article.cfm/dangers_of_fluoroquinolones#ixzz0\
MqKUcIY2
"

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "haecklers" <haecklers@...> wrote:
>
> This is interesting.  I noticed the references to tingling and nerve pain,
which some on here have reported.
>
>
http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_03/reactions_cipro_other.html
>
> These symptoms can linger for years after you stop the medication.
>
> Most interestingly to me, he seems to spend a lot of time talking about
magnesium, GABA, and B vitamins to give relief.  I guess people with such a bad
reaction would be afraid to try more drugs, tho.
>
> I'm still in pain from my tendon problems - went from jaw (locked) to
achilles, then both knees.  There WERE bug bites at each of the sites, but how
can a little bug keep me from bending my knees??  Now I'm exploring other angles
like is the magnesium I'm taking stirring up old Cipro - my achilles has creaked
every morning oddly when I first walk for years.  I just hope this is a
herx/cleansing type pain and not the beginnings of a new ailment!
>

This is interesting.  I noticed the references to tingling and nerve pain, which
some on here have reported.

http://www.medicationsense.com/articles/july_sept_03/reactions_cipro_other.html

These symptoms can linger for years after you stop the medication.

Most interestingly to me, he seems to spend a lot of time talking about
magnesium, GABA, and B vitamins to give relief.  I guess people with such a bad
reaction would be afraid to try more drugs, tho.

I'm still in pain from my tendon problems - went from jaw (locked) to achilles,
then both knees.  There WERE bug bites at each of the sites, but how can a
little bug keep me from bending my knees??  Now I'm exploring other angles like
is the magnesium I'm taking stirring up old Cipro - my achilles has creaked
every morning oddly when I first walk for years.  I just hope this is a
herx/cleansing type pain and not the beginnings of a new ailment!

Dear group....Does anyone here suffer from psychiatric Lyme ? If so, do you do
the salt/c protocol ?...
thanks from Leonie

I guess I never could count straight! Sorry :)

Thanks for your take on things. It goes against all I believe but I will
keep it in mind!

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shepdog87
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:20 AM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weintraub Honored/Questions from Scotty
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  That's four questions, Scotty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        ????????Question for you Shep???????
>
>
>         OK
>
>       ??????Did you have Chronic Lyme???????
>
>
>        Short answer, yes, according to a few blood sucking
> quacks and labs like Igenex and all those hoards of other
> leeches profiting from germ theory and our suffering.
>
>        Long answer, no, twas chronic toxemia from living in a
> toxic world, eating toxic food in harmful combination. I was
> sick when the tick bit.
>
>
>
> ??????Are you cured now???????
>
>
>       Small answer, yes, understanding the word "cured" as an
> abstract concept.
>
>       Long answer, no, if you mean symptom free. I understand
> that after 50 years of toxemia there is going to be lingering
> scaring from organic damage. I've expected 7 years to heal
> from the beginning. But the fatigue is gone, replaced with
> super vitality and a movie star body, lol. (my sis made this
> comment).
>
>
>  ????????If so why do you think you are totally cured????????
>
>       Refer to preceding long answer.
>
>
>
>          ????????how did you do it????????
>
>          Short answer, I quit attacking the disease and
> concentrated on improving my health.
>
>          Long answer, refer to post #84806, only 11 replys!
> Oh well the sun is shining and I have a boat to build.
>
>
>          All you have to do is to STOP doing the things that
> are doing you harm. Your body, given favorable circumstances
> and with its inbuilt wisdom, will soon restore itself.
>
>      Nature doesn't cure anything , it's designrd to heal.
>
>               Shep
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should not be
> considered complete, nor should it be relied on or
> interpreted to suggest a course of treatment for any
> individual.  It is research information only and it should
> not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the
> advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
> research information is considered at the members own risk.
> The providers of the Lyme Strategies site are not medical
> physicians.  Should you have any health care-related
> questions, please call or see your physician or other
> qualified health care provider promptly. Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

If you have my Lyme Resource Cd it is "\1 - Lyme_Resources\Testing"

If you don't have the CD, email me I will get it out to you!

Scott
msadams@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patty
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:54 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Questions from a Newbie
>
> I hate to sound dumb, but I can't find a testing folder.
> What is it under?  Sorry.
> Patty
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams"
> <msadams@...> wrote:
> >
> > The IGeneX test is a Western Blot as far as I know. They
> just have a good
> > reputation on their testing.
> >
> > What are your test results? There are many bands and the
> current IDSA
> > guidelines prevent them from being read properly. See the
> testing folder on
> > my free Lyme Resource Cd for more information. (If you need
> a postpaid
> > totally free copy of the cd just email me)
> >
> > Scott Adams
> > msadams@... www.msadams.com
> > Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should not be
> considered complete, nor should it be relied on or
> interpreted to suggest a course of treatment for any
> individual.  It is research information only and it should
> not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the
> advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
> research information is considered at the members own risk.
> The providers of the Lyme Strategies site are not medical
> physicians.  Should you have any health care-related
> questions, please call or see your physician or other
> qualified health care provider promptly. Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: shepdog87

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:59 PM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weintraub Honored/Questions from Scotty

 

Worked for me, Cindi. I almost tried without signing in. Did you sign in?

Shep, who ate a protein lunch and an apple for breakfast.

> Hi, Shep, when I put in the number on lymestrategies, nothing happens. Is there an easier way to get there and/or would you copy and paste?
>
> Thanks, Cindi

----- Original Message -----

From: Troy Cline

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: OT: Help me with a young man who just got bitten

 

Cindy, your Dad has my phone number, or you can email me directly and I can give it to you, I believe that you are Paul's daughter, correct? Troy

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "cindi_callanan" <cindicallanan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there! I'm asking for help from anyone here who is able to and willing to respond. I have a 21 year old student from France staying here, who's interning at a company near me for a month. In the first week he was bitten by a lyme tick, and even though I am the queen of info, and have shared the protocol for treating acute lyme, he's very resistant to get/start antibiotics. He has the bulls-eye, has some symptoms appearing/disappearing, as they do, and wants to keep pushing off a trip to the doctor for doxy. He has a push/pull thing going with taking care of himself and I know he can't wait to sort that out; it'll be too late. Usually I don't advocate drugs or being this pushy about someone else's life and you all know the end of this story gone bad. This is the acute phase, the only time he might have a shot at getting this thing killed and gone, so I'm asking your help.
>
> If anyone would be willing to speak from personal experience, either for yourself or a family member, in terms of "If only", as in "If only I had been diagnosed/treated early and correctly, the following would be different ______________", or "If only my child had been treated properly __________".
>
> I know most on here have limited energy and I so appreciate whatever help you can give. Maybe he'll do nothing and perhaps this will give him the push he needs. Thanks so much. Cindi
>

Cindy, your Dad has my phone number, or you can email me directly and I can give
it to you, I believe that you are Paul's daughter, correct?  Troy

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "cindi_callanan" <cindicallanan@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi there!  I'm asking for help from anyone here who is able to and willing to
respond.  I have a 21 year old student from France staying here, who's interning
at a company near me for a month.  In the first week he was bitten by a lyme
tick, and even though I am the queen of info, and have shared the protocol for
treating acute lyme, he's very resistant to get/start antibiotics. He has the
bulls-eye, has some symptoms appearing/disappearing, as they do, and wants to
keep pushing off a trip to the doctor for doxy. He has a push/pull thing going
with taking care of himself and I know he can't wait to sort that out; it'll be
too late.  Usually I don't advocate drugs or being this pushy about someone
else's life and you all know the end of this story gone bad. This is the acute
phase, the only time he might have a shot at getting this thing killed and gone,
so I'm asking your help.
>
> If anyone would be willing to speak from personal experience, either for
yourself or a family member, in terms of "If only", as in "If only I had been
diagnosed/treated early and correctly, the following would be different
______________", or "If only my child had been treated properly __________".
>
> I know most on here have limited energy and I so appreciate whatever help you
can give.  Maybe he'll do nothing and perhaps this will give him the push he
needs.  Thanks so much.  Cindi
>

Worked for me, Cindi. I almost tried without signing in. Did you sign in?

          Shep, who ate a protein lunch and an apple for breakfast.




> Hi, Shep, when I put in the number on lymestrategies, nothing happens.  Is
there an easier way to get there and/or would you copy and paste?
>
> Thanks,  Cindi

----- Original Message -----

From: shepdog87

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:20 AM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weintraub Honored/Questions from Scotty

 

That's four questions, Scotty.

????????Question for you Shep???????

OK

??????Did you have Chronic Lyme???????

Short answer, yes, according to a few blood sucking quacks and labs like Igenex and all those hoards of other leeches profiting from germ theory and our suffering.

Long answer, no, twas chronic toxemia from living in a toxic world, eating toxic food in harmful combination. I was sick when the tick bit.

??????Are you cured now???????

Small answer, yes, understanding the word "cured" as an abstract concept.

Long answer, no, if you mean symptom free. I understand that after 50 years of toxemia there is going to be lingering scaring from organic damage. I've expected 7 years to heal from the beginning. But the fatigue is gone, replaced with super vitality and a movie star body, lol. (my sis made this comment).

????????If so why do you think you are totally cured????????

Refer to preceding long answer.

????????how did you do it????????

Short answer, I quit attacking the disease and concentrated on improving my health.

Long answer, refer to post #84806, only 11 replys! Oh well the sun is shining and I have a boat to build.

All you have to do is to STOP doing the things that are doing you harm. Your body, given favorable circumstances and with its inbuilt wisdom, will soon restore itself.

Nature doesn't cure anything , it's designrd to heal.

Shep

That's four questions, Scotty.






        ????????Question for you Shep???????


         OK

       ??????Did you have Chronic Lyme???????


        Short answer, yes, according to a few blood sucking quacks and labs like
Igenex and all those hoards of other leeches profiting from germ theory and our
suffering.

        Long answer, no, twas chronic toxemia from living in a toxic world,
eating toxic food in harmful combination. I was sick when the tick bit.



??????Are you cured now???????


       Small answer, yes, understanding the word "cured" as an abstract concept.

       Long answer, no, if you mean symptom free. I understand that after 50
years of toxemia there is going to be lingering scaring from organic damage.
I've expected 7 years to heal from the beginning. But the fatigue is gone,
replaced with super vitality and a movie star body, lol. (my sis made this
comment).


  ????????If so why do you think you are totally cured????????

       Refer to preceding long answer.



          ????????how did you do it????????

          Short answer, I quit attacking the disease and concentrated on
improving my health.

          Long answer, refer to post #84806, only 11 replys! Oh well the sun is
shining and I have a boat to build.


          All you have to do is to STOP doing the things that are doing you harm.
Your body, given favorable circumstances and with its inbuilt wisdom, will soon
restore itself.

      Nature doesn't cure anything , it's designrd to heal.

               Shep

Woah, thumbs up for all of you guys and gals. I really appreciate your
dedication towards helping fellow people with lyme disease.

Alright 2 weeks are over now and I'll have to do another week of
antibiotics. I have the general feeling that stuff is getting better ,
even though yesterday and today are worse again. (Tho I really think,
that I'm herxing at the moment. The periods of "feeling bad" seem to
occur every 5 days or so and after that I usually feel better than
before. Well if that really is the truth I should feel much better by
tomorrow :) )

But there's one thing that is concerning me quite a lot, but strangely
only started to occur since I'm in the hospital. Sometimes the lower
area of my stomach starts to hurt like hell. And when I say "like hell"
I mean it, it's really no fun.
Those pains disappear within a minute or so, making it even more weird.

Could this also be related to lyme? Since it started in the hospital, I
wouldn't think so, but I also do not think that it's just because the
antibiotics are also killing the good bacteria. After all, I'm still
trying to eat a lot of vegetables and some probiotic yogurt and the fact
that those pains only occur for one or two minutes or so seem to
indicate that it's something else. At least that's what I believe.

Anyone ever experienced something like this? Any idea what that could
be?


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "tnkrbell@..." <cjheidt@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Again,
>
> Antibacterial foods include onions, chives, cabbage, pineapple,
coconut, mushrooms, chiles, hot peppers, capsicums, honey, radish,
ginger, garlic, apple, beets, blueberries, cashews, licorish and plum.
Lots of spices are considered to be antibacterial too. Some of these
include cinnamin, cumin, thyme and tarragon basil, dill, allspice,
oregano, black and white pepper, celery seed. Turmeric is just plain
good for us. I make a chicken curry every week using turmeric, fresh
ginger, cumin, fenugreek, garlic, onion etc along with a can of coconut
milk for good measure...yummy lol.
>
> The following paragraph is from a Cornell University research
document:
> "Garlic, onion, allspice and oregano, for example, were found to be
the best all-around bacteria killers (they kill everything), followed by
thyme, cinnamon, tarragon and cumin (any of which kill up to 80 percent
of bacteria). Capsicums, including chilies and other hot peppers, are in
the middle of the antimicrobial pack (killing or inhibiting up to 75
percent of bacteria), while pepper of the white or black variety
inhibits 25 percent of bacteria, as do ginger, anise seed, celery seed
and the juices of lemons and limes."
>
> I am not sure about coconut and antibiotics interactions as I only
take natural meds at present (from Canada where there is no lyme lol).
If I find something I will post it for you though.
>
> In regard to exercise I always try to push myself because in my case I
find that once I get moving I can keep moving but once I stop I've had
it. I think that we have to listen to our bodies and follow our
instincts rather than following a predetermined course of treatments. It
sucks that we can't package up a one-size-fits-all treatment. That is
the unfortunate truth about this illness for now. I do know that
exercise will increase the oxygen in your body and it will raise your
body temp too. That could be the cause the herx symptoms you were
feeling while exercising. If you feel tired then you will need the extra
sleep.
>
> I started taking the Buhner protocol in January. I have recently added
vit c and am looking for the proper salt so I can try the s/c regime but
haven't actually began yet.
>
> My favorite supplement at present is from the Buhner protocol and is
called resveratrol. I love that med. I had to stop taking it for a
period due to my financial situation and am so relieved to be back on it
again. It gives me a major burst of energy. My depression lifts and I
feel happy instead of feeling like chewing peoples heads off. I find I
can concentrate again too. I am sure that the other supplements are
involved as well but noticed a big difference in my symptoms when
discontinuing this supplement.
>
> Hope this info helps.
> Take Care
> Chris
>
>
>
> "I should try to rest as much as possible with all the antibiotics
floating around in my body or should I still do some exercises even
though it's anything but fun right now?
> And which foods are you talking about when you say they inhibit
bacterial growth?
> I think I read that coconut fat at least isn't the greatest thing when
undergoing an antibiotic treatment? Any truth to that?"
>

I hate to sound dumb, but I can't find a testing folder.  What is it under? 
Sorry.
Patty
--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams" <msadams@...> wrote:
>
> The IGeneX test is a Western Blot as far as I know. They just have a good
> reputation on their testing.
>
> What are your test results? There are many bands and the current IDSA
> guidelines prevent them from being read properly. See the testing folder on
> my free Lyme Resource Cd for more information. (If you need a postpaid
> totally free copy of the cd just email me)
>
> Scott Adams
> msadams@... www.msadams.com
> Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/

From what I gather though, Igenex includes the 2 bands that the CDC threw out
after the disastrous vaccine.  I can also get the coinfections tested which I
can't here.  The only positive band was the IgG 41kd.  I will look at the
folder, thanks.
Patty
--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Adams" <msadams@...> wrote:
>
> The IGeneX test is a Western Blot as far as I know. They just have a good
> reputation on their testing.
>
> What are your test results? There are many bands and the current IDSA
> guidelines prevent them from being read properly. See the testing folder on
> my free Lyme Resource Cd for more information. (If you need a postpaid
> totally free copy of the cd just email me)
>
> Scott Adams
> msadams@... www.msadams.com
> Moderator of Lyme_rife yahoo list
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Rife/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patty
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:07 AM
> > To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lymestrategies] Questions from a Newbie
> >
> > I was diagnosed with Lyme clinically last week.  Negative
> > Western blot, but probable history of rash and other
> > symptoms.  I just started doxycycline but also found out that
> > Medicare will pay for Igenex testing.  Should I bother with
> > that or just go with my plan to do 3 months of doxy followed
> > by the Salt/C protocol?  I don't know if this matters, but I
> > also have CFS, MCS, adrenal insufficiency, hypothyroid,
> > inflammatory polyarthritis, severe asthma.  Everything but
> > the adrenal insufficiency predates the probable bite.
> > However, there is a very good chance this is a second
> > exposure to Lyme.  Thanks for any input.
> > Patty
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should not be
> > considered complete, nor should it be relied on or
> > interpreted to suggest a course of treatment for any
> > individual.  It is research information only and it should
> > not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the
> > advice of your physician or other qualified health care
> > provider.  Information obtained with regards to Lyme
> > Strategies is research only on an ongoing basis for review
> > and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
> > research information is considered at the members own risk.
> > The providers of the Lyme Strategies site are not medical
> > physicians.  Should you have any health care-related
> > questions, please call or see your physician or other
> > qualified health care provider promptly. Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Chronic Lyme Disease - Ways to Outsmart a Smart Disease by Gigi Guthrie M.S.W

Does anyone out there know which is the best EMF device to neutralize EMFS in
the home, I know that the plug in devices don't work well, I have the chips, but
there is a device out there that sends a frequency out that is supposed to
neutralize all other frequencies in the home, does anyone know if this works? 
Thanks, Troy

---What do you mean by HBP? What are your numbers? I have struggled with this
for a long time. I was in the 180's and 190's and in the lower number in the
90'sor 100's It always get worse when I am killing pathogens. Here is what has
helped me. The same that has been mentioned already with the CQ10 and Hawthorne)
I get mine from www.luckyvitamin.com and it comes together and is a great deal
by Now Foods- they are a good company I have been told).I also rotate the
enzymes that destroy the biofilm ( my doctor says that you cannot get rid of
Lyme unless you destroy the biofilm that they hide in). I do Wobenzyme now but I
have been on Nattokinase and Serrapeptase as well. My doctor says also that it
is important to rotate and keep these critters on their toes. The PH Miracle
diet book by Young I think it is is also a great book to help in understanding
the impact of food on our bodies especially pathogens. But lately I have
discovered more books by Sherry Rogers, MD, that are excellent with High blood
pressure and explaining the heart and its sensitivities. Her books are
incredible. I have tons of health books since I cannot do drugs and I have been
sick for close to forty years and treating myself the natural way with the help
of some incredible doctors througout the years. None however, discovered I had
Lyme till 3 years ago. I was born with it. My mother and grandmother had it. But
we are from France so I do not think that the blood tests that I took here
showed the European versions of some of these pathogens.
The thing that has had the most dramatic impact on my BP has been EWOT-
excercise with oxygen therapy. Here is a good website to check
www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com Very educational
The heart I have experienced and have learned through reading is very sensitive
to allergies, chemicals etc. You could be having a reaction to the antibiotics
or you may just be having a reaction to all the pathogens being killed and the
toxins that they are releasing. I get also relief from doing my own home
colonics. It helps my blood pressure. My blood pressure goes up and up as the
toxins build up and then when I to things to detox it reduces the toxic level
and decreases the stress on my heart. Even though my BP is still not normal and
still too high it is now in the 150's and 80's. We were concerned I was going to
have a stroke and I went to a cardiologist and got checked. My arteries where
clean and I know that was due to the EWOT and the supplements I take as well as
my Diet. We had to stop treatment at one point because I was having problems
breathing and functioning so I have come a long way. I cannot handle my weight.
I eat well and little and yet all those toxins go to my fat cells and I keep
gaining without being able to control it. This too affects my BP but I have come
a long ways and I remember being in your shoes. Even though the war is not over
this battle I feel I have made some good victories. I too tried to find a group
for High BP but the heart problems that come from Lyme are so different than
from the typical problems. I would recommend you buy Sherry Rogers book on high
blood pressure. It is called the "high blood pressure hoax" She is
unconventional but a tremendous doctor and well respected by many physicians.
According to her the infrared sauna is a must for people with high blood
pressure. All other saunas are harmful for us with high BP. Her book "detoxify
or die" has a large section on it and great instructions on how to use them
wisely and effectively.
Hope some of this helps
cathy
In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "equinox434" <equinox99@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone,
> could you point me to a method to search for solutions for HBP?  I am on two
antibiotics, and they seem to be helping me.  However, my BP is skyrocketing.
>
> I had tried Turmeric, and that helped at first then didn't help at all.  I am
on Lisinopril for BP, and also Micardis,.   However, I just dropped the Micardis
because it made me sleep all day, and I tried it for over two months and still
that did not go away.  My regular doctor just gave me a diarrhetic (?sp), and
that has helped some immediately, but it has increased my pain levels
everywhere.
>
> Does anyone know of a good yahoo group just for HBP?  So far, I have seen here
to try castor oil packs, turmeric, bromelain, and perhaps iodine?  Please chime
in.
>
> thank you so much for your opinions. Has anything worked for you?
>
> Laura
>

Yes, could you please tell me what other tests would be a good idea? I think
this is an important issue to healing and getting well and I have been remiss in
not addressing it more effectively before this. My excuse is being very
depressed but in my books that excuse does not 'cut it'.

     Unfortunately the PS did not seem to help as much last night. I only got 3
hours of a light sleep. I will start taking it at noon too, and if that doesn't
help then also double the dose it night. And see is that makes any difference.
Though both today and yesterday I do not feel so cold - just coolish. Which is
not bad - it is raining here "cats and dogs"  and very humid.

         Thank you again Gina.
               blessings
                 Shan

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@...> wrote:
>
> You are more than welcome.  I just hope that something I've said will help!
>
>
>
> Ask the doc for a FT3 and a RT3.  You need both for the ratio.  There are
> other tests that could be done just to get a better picture, but I'll send
> them only if you want me to.
>
>
>
> Glad you are feeling better.  I feel better in some ways, but still dragging
> in others.  Tired of the roller coaster!
>
>
>
> Gonna try to go to bed now.  Hope you guys sleep well tonight!
>
> Gina
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Shan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:16 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weird Symptoms-Swelling in feet and others
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't been tested for Reverse T3 for at least a year or more anyways.
> Usually my doctor just gets FT3 and FT4 tested. I see her again in about 3
> weeks. I am going to try to do that chart and take it to her. I told her a
> month of so ago that I had been testing my morning temp using Barnes method
> again and that was now 96.2 F but she didn't say anything so didn't push it.
> She is still trying to learn about Lyme, Bartonella, etc plus more and more
> of her patients are testing positive for these illnesses. She is trying hard
> but is frazzled a lot these days. Thanks Gina for your thoughts - I should
> have pushed this issue before. I too have been quite frazzled and have never
> been depressed like this before - have never had brain fog like this before
> either and am finding this illness overwhelming.
>
> I seem to be forgetting everything that I read and learned in the past too.
> And I didn't even realize this.
>
> I take 2 grams of Nature-Throid a day now. In November 2007, I started at
> half a gram and it made a huge difference. Over half of my hair had faller
> out for example, and it has been growing back in thank goodness. My eyebrows
> are even growing back. Palpitations gone etc . and even the shape of my eyes
> is different etc. But I didnt' have Bartonella then - I got Bartonella in
> January of 2008. And by last fall I was cold all the time. we keep
> increasing the dose by half a gram but it does not seem to make much
> difference.
>
> The only things I take for adrenals are vitamin C, plus lots of muti- B 2x a
> day plus lots of B-6 and B-5.
>
> That Phosphatidyl Serine is amazing stuff! I told only one last night and
> had the best sleep I have had since ............ well since I got Bartonella
> actually. I was still tired when I woke up this morning and had to drag
> myself out of bed, but it was nice to have at least a good sleep - I got 6
> hours sleep and usually am lucky if I sleep for 3 hours. Has made a
> difference in my depression and moods today.
>
> I think I do have that hump you mentioned by the way.......I thougt it was
> due to gaining weight.......... I gained 30 pounds last fall too. Last year
> was not a good year for me.......
>
> I am going to start that chart tomorrow and will let you know how it goes.
> Thank you again Gina!
> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, the Barnes way is considered by most to be the best way. It's the way
> > I do it! It is very reliable. And if you are 96.2 you are way way way
> > hypothyroid. Have you ever tested Reverse T3? If you have Lyme and are
> > that hypo, I think it would be very important to test that. Will you post
> > the last 5-7 (or more) days of your temps? Or you can send privately if
> > you'd like. I'd like to see what they are doing (per that graph)!
> >
> >
> >
> > What dose of Nature-Throid are you on? You at least may need more. Or you
> > need more adrenal support. It's a puzzle for sure, but it can be figured
> > out. If you have RT3 issues, you'd need to take T3 (Cytomel) only and not
> a
> > dessicated thyroid like Natur-Throid. The T4 in it will only make RT3
> > problems worse.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your Free T3 should be at the top of the range or a little over � that's
> > where most people feel good when taking a dessicated thyroid. Since I only
> > take T3, I don't worry about the T4. I'm shooting for my T3 to be in the
> > low 600's, even though 420 is the top of the range. When you don't take
> any
> > T4 for backup to convert to T3, you need a lot more T3 in your system for
> > everything to work right.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have high night cortisol, take some PS at night. It's worth a try,
> > right? :-) I haven't had to take it, so I'm not sure of the dosing. I have
> > zero experience with that! Sorry!
> >
> >
> >
> > I know we can figure this out!
> >
> > Gina
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@
> <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Shan
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:37 PM
> > To: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weird Symptoms-Swelling in feet and others
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That temperature is taken under my arm in the morning before getting up
> and
> > at 8 a.m. Think that is called "Barnes" temperture protocol? Anyways my EI
> > doctor believes it is reliable and important. What tests we do still have
> > that are covered by health insurance in Canada are often not very
> reliable.
> > And my doctor knows this ..... Just in the last year, my temperature went
> > from 97.2 F to 96.2 F A couple years ago before I got Bartonella , I had
> > mild thyroid problems but was only cold once in awhile.
> >
> > I take a thyroid preparation from the States - Nature-Throid. I get it
> from
> > a pharmacy in the States called Women's International Pharmacy. All of the
> > thyroid preparations in Canada = both synthetic as well as natural =
> contain
> > corn as a filler and I am allergic to corn. And the Canadian health system
> > theorically is supposed to cover the thyroid medication , in truth it does
> > not .
> >
> > I have had several Free T 4 and Free T3 tests - they are usually in normal
> > limits. This last year I seem to get those tests every few months. Last
> time
> > was about 3 months ago.
> >
> > Thanks for the info about that graph - I will look into it .And take it to
> > my doctor when I see her in 3 weeks.
> >
> > Quad salts - they are a mixture of 4 different salts - potassium,
> magnesium,
> > calcium and sodium. Simlar to tri-salts except quad salts are made from 4
> > salts instead of 3.
> >
> > TriSalts
> > calcium (from 760 mg calcium carbonate) 296 mg
> > Sodium ( from 2247 mg sodium bicarbonate) 616 mg
> > Potassium (from 1513 potassium bicarbonate) 590 mg
> >
> > Quad Salts
> > Sodium (Sodium Citrate)
> > Potassium (Potassium Chloride)
> > Calcium (Calcium Phosphate)
> > Magnesium (Magnesium Carbonate)
> >
> > They are recommended to minimized chemical as well as allergic reactions.
> We
> > are told to take them with a couple of grams of vitamin C in a glass of
> > water. I take them 3 times a day - not counting taking more when I get a
> > 'reaction'. They alkalize the body among other things.
> >
> > I just got the phosphatidyl serine today - somebody here meantioned that a
> > few days ago and thought I would try it. On the bottle it does not say
> > anything about adrenals, nor cortisone It says it is "An important factor
> in
> > neuronmal memebrane functions" I do take 3 capsules of 5-HTP before bed,
> but
> > still only get 3 hours sleep tops. Last night I also took some liguid
> > melantonin and had a better sleep though.
> > How much of this phosphatidly serine do I take and when? It says here to
> > take 1 capsule, 1-3 times daily with meals.......... The capsules are 100
> mg
> > -- it is make by NOW. This is the brand that somebody mentioned a few days
> > ago.
> >
> > Thanks Gina for your time and information. My depression plus lack of
> sleep
> > and fatugue etc is getting to me.......
> > blessings
> > Shan
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is that temp (96.2) a basal? As in taken first thing in the morning
> before
> > > you roll out of bed with a liquid thermometer under your arm? Just want
> to
> > > make sure. If it is, you are WAYYYYY hypothyroid! No wonder you feel
> bad!
> > > Geesh! Sometimes hypothyroid is secondary to low cortisol (adrenal
> > > fatigue). Are you taking Armour? Or Naturthroid? You may have RT3 issues
> > > and are not able to convert T4 to T3 and are functionally low thyroid.
> You
> > > won't know that unless you get a RT3 test (you need a Free T3 with it to
> > > check the ratio).
> > > http://www.holtorfm
> > <http://www.holtorfm
> <http://www.holtorfmed.com/topics/t3/thyroid-hormone-concentrations>
> ed.com/topics/t3/thyroid-hormone-concentrations>
> > ed.com/topics/t3/thyroid-hormone-concentrations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Buffalo hump is when you get a little hump at the base of your
> neck/upper
> > > back from high cortisol. It's usually in the beginning stages of adrenal
> > > fatigue. Usually is accompanied by moon face - very rounded facial
> > > features. Swollen could be different from `moon'.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, you could have high night and low am cortisol causing all these
> > issues.
> > > Testing would obviously be the best way to go. www.canaryclub.org
> > > <http://www.canarycl <http://www.canarycl <http://www.canaryclub.org/>
> ub.org/> ub.org/> does the
> > testing for about $125 � I know that
> > > may not be affordable for everyone. Did I tell you about the temperature
> > > graphing? You can at least see if your adrenals are not working right.
> > > http://www.drrind.
> > <http://www.drrind.
> <http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph>
> com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph>
> > com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph It's a great
> > > way to monitor your adrenal and thyroid status. Let me know if you need
> > > help understanding it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's always best to test first, but I'm of the opinion if you can't test
> > > because of money/time whatever, a trial of hc is ok. A few days of 1%
> > > hydrocortisone cream won't kill ya! (Your run of the mill over the
> counter
> > > stuff.) Take � tsp and rub it into thin skin areas (neck, upper chest
> > > [avoid breasts], inner forearm, avoid abdomen) up to 4 times a day. If
> you
> > > are high at night, PS (phosphatidyl serine) is used to lower cortisol at
> > > night. If you do the HC cream, I'd not do it but maybe 3 times, then not
> > do
> > > it at night at all since you may have high night cortisol anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The salt/c is fantastic for adrenals. Keep on doing that for sure! What
> is
> > > quad salts? Is it sea salt?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And you sent the STTM Lyme article! You need to read more on that
> website!
> > > Check out the adrenals section. Have you been to the Yahoo groups
> > associate
> > > with it? They are great too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope you feel better soon. Let me know if I can do anything for you or
> > help
> > > in any way.
> > >
> > > Gina
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@
> > <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Shan
> > > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:00 AM
> > > To: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weird Symptoms-Swelling in feet and others
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am very cold most of the time. It starts between 7 AM and 8 PM - I
> wake
> > up
> > > as I am so cold and cannot get back to sleep. The temperature is 76
> > degrees
> > > F in my house. I am taking thryoid and we have been increasing it over
> and
> > > over the last 18 months - I now take 2 grams and was taking only .5
> gram.
> > It
> > > is strange how even with a sweater/cartigan I am cold all day, yet in
> the
> > > evening I usually are too warm. [my thyroid blood tests are 'normal'
> range
> > > and most of the thyroid clinical symptoms I had are gone now, except my
> > > morning temperature is still going down - it is now 96.2 F in the
> > > morning.....]
> > > I don't have a moon face, even now when my face is swollen. Not sure
> about
> > > the 'buffolo hump'. What is a 'buffolo hump"?
> > >
> > > I take quad-salts 3 x a day, usually at the same time that I also take 2
> > > grams of powdered vitamin C and my magnesium glycinate and serrapeptase.
> > >
> > > I have wondered if my cortisol was low in the morning and up at
> > > night............
> > > I know I need to have my adrenals tested with the saliva tests but that
> is
> > > not covered under the Canadian health plan and I can not afford to pay
> for
> > > them. The theory here is that all tests except 'rare' or unusual ones
> are
> > > paid for by our health plan ........only this it not true and they have
> > been
> > > cutting more and more tests the last few years.......Fortunately my
> doctor
> > > is better then most here at diagnosing from clinial symptoms - though
> she
> > is
> > > nervous about it as 'they' are keeping an eye on her as well as other
> > > Environmental doctors.
> > >
> > > blessings
> > > Shan
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shan,
> > > >
> > > > Have you considered high cortisol? Just curious. Do you have a
> 'buffalo
> > > > hump' or 'moon face'? How about electrolytes? Just saying whatever
> comes
> > > > to mind!
> > > >
> > > > Gina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@
> > > <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Shan
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:27 AM
> > > > To: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Weird Symptoms-Swelling in feet and
> others
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My legs and feet have been so swollen for the last few weeks that the
> > skin
> > > > is stretched so much that it is painful. I have Bartonella. This tread
> > is
> > > > interesting as neither my doctor nor myself was aware that Bartonella
> > > caused
> > > > this. I have been having all sorts of tests to find out what is
> causing
> > > the
> > > > edema - but so far, nothing. I have been taking a very strong diuritic
> > for
> > > > the last 3 days, twice day, and have noticed with this one that I
> > urniate
> > > > more often. And whereas I am still swollen, it is now mostly only my
> > feet
> > > > and legs still. I have MCS, so getting swollen feet from reactions to
> > > > chemicals was not new - but I have never ever been swollen all over
> > before
> > > > nor so much that it was painful. Plus it would not go down even with
> > > > elevating my feet for 8 hours, nor with alkalizing my body, nor with
> > > taking
> > > > several grams of vitimin C and Systemic enzymes. I have been using the
> > > > Inclined Bed Therapy for a few years and when my feet got swollen from
> > > > chemicals, the IBT would always cause them to go down overnight - but
> > not
> > > > anymore.........
> > > > Does anybody else get their whole body swollen? Sometimes I look like
> > the
> > > > Michelon man.................
> > > >
> > > > blessings
> > > > Shan
> > > >
> > > > --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > yahoogroups.com, "comdyne2002" <comdyne@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like adult onset diabetes (type 2). Edema is often the result
> > of
> > > a
> > > > lack of potassium and magnesium.
> > > > >
> > > > > A simple test for sugar in your urine, the tell-tale sign of
> diabetes
> > is
> > > > to urinate on the sidewalk and see if it attracts ants.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > yahoogroups.com, "lymegal2008" <dwrocket-lyme@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been posting lately about my hip pain (seriously the other
> > > night
> > > > I wanted to go the hospital for a morphine shot or have someone cut
> off
> > my
> > > > legs), fatigue, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I'm having additional symptoms and wanted to see if anyone has
> > any
> > > > advice:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. My feet and ankles are swelling like crazy (but actually get
> > BETTER
> > > > when I am on the salt-I was off a few days due to being out of salt).
> > > Seems
> > > > a little better now, but still not completely.
> > > > > > Mind you, it's been over 100 degrees here for the past 6 weeks, so
> I
> > > was
> > > > thinking that was part of it. But, the ankle/foot swelling just
> started
> > > > about a week ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Sorry if this is a little TMI, but I am constantly having to
> > > urinate.
> > > > And alot of times can't hold it in. Feel like an old woman who needs
> > > > depends.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Both of these symptoms I had when I was pregnant, which I am NOT
> (I
> > am
> > > > 100% positive).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Extreme irritibility (spelling).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Fatigue, will literally fall asleep while sitting up for a few
> > > > minutes. Then can't sleep at night-so not getting restorative sleep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What the heck is going on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am going to make a separate post about my upcoming Dr's appts
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>