Hi,

I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.



Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?



Endo wants to do biopsies.  I am not keen on anything invasive.  Doc says its

safe.  If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time?  This means

I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies.  Seems ridiculous to me?  Plus the

procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe vertigo for

the past 6 years.  Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated after I wake

up.  And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that will not go away.



My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be going

against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a waiver.  OMG! 

That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr.  She isnt LLMD but treats

mostly lyme/autism/mercury patients- mostly with natural protocols).



I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous.  A friend suggested a

tumor marker blood test.  My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.



Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment?  I

would so appreciate it.



Has anyone had experience with this?  Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad enough,

now I have this to deal with.  Argh!



I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom.  I

would love some feedback.



Thanks,

Suzy in PA

----- Original Message -----

From: Gina Moore

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:09 AM

Subject: RE: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

I’m not 100% sure of this, but I have heard in the Lyme forums that the nodules could be Lyme/co’s where they’ve set up camp.  Someone who has some reference to this please step up!

I’d go with the Lugol’s if it were me, but you need to make your own decision.  Here’s a couple of thyroid sites you can get some info from…. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypothyroidism/

There is a wealth of info on these groups.  Just do a search for iodine or thyroid in yahoo groups and you’ll come up with dozens of choices.  These are just my favorites!

Gina

---

From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of suzannem527
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:44 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

Hi,
I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.

Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?

Endo wants to do biopsies. I am not keen on anything invasive. Doc says its safe. If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time? This means I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies. Seems ridiculous to me? Plus the procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe vertigo for the past 6 years. Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated after I wake up. And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that will not go away.

My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be going against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a waiver. OMG! That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr. She isnt LLMD but treats mostly lyme/autism/mercury patients- mostly with natural protocols).

I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous. A friend suggested a tumor marker blood test. My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.

Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment? I would so appreciate it.

Has anyone had experience with this? Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad enough, now I have this to deal with. Argh!

I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom. I would love some feedback.

Thanks,
Suzy in PA

Hello Suzy

I am not very knowledgeable about  a lyme and thyroid nodules connection

except to say I have both....My Lyme is well established....have had it

about 12 yrs before recent diagnosis......And about.1 1/2 yrs ago I went

to Endo who found the nodules via Ultra Sound......put me on synthetic

thyroid meds for about 6 mos,(to try reduce the nodules)  then moved

and  left the practice remaining Endo took me off the thyroid, saying

side effects not worth taking the thyroid meds and she prefers to just

wait and watch.   I saw no change in my symptoms either way.



I recently sought out a holistic practice and ND has me on Dr Wilson's

protocol Thyroid PX 3 caps 3x day. It has high amounts of Iodine and

other things to support the thyroid and ND says it is low Iodine that is

cause of nodules. I have been on them about a month, noticed no changes

as yet.



However, since everything else I have seems to be  related to Lyme it

could possibly be as Gina suggested  one of the places where the

critters have gathered and set up camp.



I don't have mercury poisoning as you do, I do have lead poisoning per

heavy metal testing and mildly elevated arsenic and some other metals..



Life has gotten very interesting recently as I am also dealing with

adrenal exhaustion and diabetes...........spend my days juggling taking

one med /supplement or another.



Healing wishes,



bev





suzannem527 wrote:

> Hi,

> I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.

>

> Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?

>

> Endo wants to do biopsies.  I am not keen on anything invasive.  Doc says its

safe.  If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time?  This means

I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies.  Seems ridiculous to me?  Plus the

procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe vertigo for

the past 6 years.  Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated after I wake

up.  And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that will not go away.

>

> My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be going

against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a waiver.  OMG! 

That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr.  She isnt LLMD but treats

mostly lyme/autism/mercury patients- mostly with natural protocols).

>

> I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous.  A friend suggested a

tumor marker blood test.  My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.

>

> Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment? 

I would so appreciate it.

>

> Has anyone had experience with this?  Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad

enough, now I have this to deal with.  Argh!

>

> I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom. 

I would love some feedback.

>

> Thanks,

> Suzy in PA

>

>

>

>

>

>

----- Original Message -----

From: Beverly

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

Hello Suzy
I am not very knowledgeable about a lyme and thyroid nodules connection
except to say I have both....My Lyme is well established....have had it
about 12 yrs before recent diagnosis......And about.1 1/2 yrs ago I went
to Endo who found the nodules via Ultra Sound......put me on synthetic
thyroid meds for about 6 mos,(to try reduce the nodules) then moved
and left the practice remaining Endo took me off the thyroid, saying
side effects not worth taking the thyroid meds and she prefers to just
wait and watch. I saw no change in my symptoms either way.

I recently sought out a holistic practice and ND has me on Dr Wilson's
protocol Thyroid PX 3 caps 3x day. It has high amounts of Iodine and
other things to support the thyroid and ND says it is low Iodine that is
cause of nodules. I have been on them about a month, noticed no changes
as yet.

However, since everything else I have seems to be related to Lyme it
could possibly be as Gina suggested one of the places where the
critters have gathered and set up camp.

I don't have mercury poisoning as you do, I do have lead poisoning per
heavy metal testing and mildly elevated arsenic and some other metals..

Life has gotten very interesting recently as I am also dealing with
adrenal exhaustion and diabetes...........spend my days juggling taking
one med /supplement or another.

Healing wishes,

bev

suzannem527 wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.
>
> Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?
>
> Endo wants to do biopsies. I am not keen on anything invasive. Doc says its safe. If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time? This means I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies. Seems ridiculous to me? Plus the procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe vertigo for the past 6 years. Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated after I wake up. And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that will not go away.
>
> My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be going against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a waiver. OMG! That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr. She isnt LLMD but treats mostly lyme/autism/mercury patients- mostly with natural protocols).
>
> I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous. A friend suggested a tumor marker blood test. My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.
>
> Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment? I would so appreciate it.
>
> Has anyone had experience with this? Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad enough, now I have this to deal with. Argh!
>
> I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom. I would love some feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Suzy in PA
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Nancy Umberger

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:46 AM

Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

Suzy, I don't know how my thyroid is.  What I have heard is that iodine is good against breast cancer.  I have had breast cancer.  I have been taking Iodoral(two drops of Lugol's in pill form)  for quite some time now.  It seems to be helping with digestion and maybe body temperature. Best to you, Nancy U. --- On Sun, 7/5/09, suzannem527 <sflynn@...> wrote: From: suzannem527 <sflynn@...> Subject: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 10:43 AM Hi, I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid. Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme? Endo wants to do biopsies. I am not keen on anything invasive. Doc says its safe. If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time? This means I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies. Seems ridiculous to me? Plus the procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe vertigo for the past 6 years. Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated after I wake up. And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that will not go away. My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be going against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a waiver. OMG! That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr. She isnt LLMD but treats mostly lyme/autism/ mercury patients- mostly with natural protocols). I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous. A friend suggested a tumor marker blood test. My docs don't seem to think it is necessary. Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment? I would so appreciate it. Has anyone had experience with this? Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad enough, now I have this to deal with. Argh! I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom. I would love some feedback. Thanks, Suzy in PA

I just want to add my two cents here about thyroid and iodine.



Blodd circulates through your body and is cleansed through your thyroid about

every 6 or 7 minutes.  If your body does not have enough idodine then your blood

is not being cleaned properly.



There appears to be a great many Americans who are iodine deficient, as it has

been depleted in our food system, so even non lyme infected people need

supplementation.  Japan consumes about 700 times more than we Americans do.



Some lyme with mycoplasma infections will have thyroid wasting or other

implications because of the brucella bacteria they may be harvesting in their

body.  Their may be a need for those to consume  iodine supplements in order to

function and to thwart off cancer or other problems.



While consuming iodine, if in the form of Potassium Iodide, you will also be

kicking the PH level up inside your system.  Higher PH levels are associated

with killing diseases.



Some bacteria will just die in higher PH.  Thus, consumption of quality

Potassium Iodide can not only kill the offender, protect your thyroid and blood

from other bacteria, but make you feel a whole lot better.







--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@...> wrote:

>

> I just really feel in my gut that Lyme/co's mess up hormones.  I think

> because we are all so different, the mechanism by which it does is different

> for each of us.  All I do know is that when you have any kind of stress

> (emotional, physical, mental, illness, infection, whatever - including Lyme)

> your body sees it all the same and your hormones go to work to try to

> mitigate and/or fix it.  I feel the signs and symptoms we all have (no

> matter what the illness) are due to the body's natural response (via

> hormones) to dealing with it.  In the short term, that is what is supposed

> to happen.  Your hormones respond to the stress and in effect are thrown out

> of whack.  When the stress is over, they go back to normal.  However, when

> you are dealing with Lyme, that is undiagnosed, undertreated and plain

> missed for YEARS, it takes a heavy toll on the delicate balance of hormones.

> Even if you kill all the bugs, your body will have a difficult time

> adjusting the hormones back to their pre-illness state.

>

>

>

> Some believe that cancers are some type of infection gone wrong.  Supposedly

> the cancerous cells are trying to protect the body from the infection, or

> are a result of the infection, or something like that (not my area, but I've

> heard little about it).  There are studies that show the infection theory

> (whether viral, bacterial, fungal or otherwise) is valid.

>

>

>

> Thyroid is a huge part of your immune system.  Without thyroid hormones your

> cells don't function properly.  It is the energy for the cell.  It gets

> mitochondria working better and reproducing more quickly.  Mitochondria are

> where the ATP (Kreb's) cycle takes place, which is the engine of the cell.

> Thyroid gets the mitochondria funtioning right and reproducing more quickly

> which ultimately gets the ATP cycle going more and more, increasing the

> metabolism of the cell.  Iodine is what makes up thyroid hormones.

>

>

>

> Ohhhhh. soooo much more to say.. But I have to go!  I'll  write more next

> week when I get back!

>

> Gina

>

>

>

>   _____

>

> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]

> On Behalf Of suzy flynn

> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:13 PM

> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks Nancy.  I probably should be taking iodine anyway.

>

>

>

> Suzy

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Nancy Umberger <mailto:ncumberger@...>

>

> To: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com

>

> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:46 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

>

>

>

>

> Suzy,

>

> I don't know how my thyroid is.  What I have heard is that iodine is good

> against breast cancer.  I have had breast cancer.  I have been taking

> Iodoral(two drops of Lugol's in pill form)  for quite some time now.  It

> seems to be helping with digestion and maybe body temperature.

>

> Best to you,

>

> Nancy U.

>

> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, suzannem527 <sflynn@...> wrote:

>

>

> From: suzannem527 <sflynn@...>

> Subject: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid

> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 10:43 AM

>

> Hi,

> I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.

>

> Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?

>

> Endo wants to do biopsies. I am not keen on anything invasive. Doc says its

> safe. If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time? This

> means I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies. Seems ridiculous to me?

> Plus the procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe

> vertigo for the past 6 years. Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated

> after I wake up. And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that

> will not go away.

>

> My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be

> going against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a

> waiver. OMG! That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr. She isnt LLMD

> but treats mostly lyme/autism/ mercury patients- mostly with natural

> protocols).

>

> I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous. A friend suggested a

> tumor marker blood test. My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.

>

> Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment?

> I would so appreciate it.

>

> Has anyone had experience with this? Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad

> enough, now I have this to deal with. Argh!

>

> I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom.

> I would love some feedback.

>

> Thanks,

> Suzy in PA

>

----- Original Message -----

From: sunshinexx00

To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:24 AM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: OT- nodules on thyroid

I just want to add my two cents here about thyroid and iodine.

Blodd circulates through your body and is cleansed through your thyroid about every 6 or 7 minutes. If your body does not have enough idodine then your blood is not being cleaned properly.

There appears to be a great many Americans who are iodine deficient, as it has been depleted in our food system, so even non lyme infected people need supplementation. Japan consumes about 700 times more than we Americans do.

Some lyme with mycoplasma infections will have thyroid wasting or other implications because of the brucella bacteria they may be harvesting in their body. Their may be a need for those to consume iodine supplements in order to function and to thwart off cancer or other problems.

While consuming iodine, if in the form of Potassium Iodide, you will also be kicking the PH level up inside your system. Higher PH levels are associated with killing diseases.

Some bacteria will just die in higher PH. Thus, consumption of quality Potassium Iodide can not only kill the offender, protect your thyroid and blood from other bacteria, but make you feel a whole lot better.

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Gina Moore" <vegasmomof3@...> wrote:
>
> I just really feel in my gut that Lyme/co's mess up hormones. I think
> because we are all so different, the mechanism by which it does is different
> for each of us. All I do know is that when you have any kind of stress
> (emotional, physical, mental, illness, infection, whatever - including Lyme)
> your body sees it all the same and your hormones go to work to try to
> mitigate and/or fix it. I feel the signs and symptoms we all have (no
> matter what the illness) are due to the body's natural response (via
> hormones) to dealing with it. In the short term, that is what is supposed
> to happen. Your hormones respond to the stress and in effect are thrown out
> of whack. When the stress is over, they go back to normal. However, when
> you are dealing with Lyme, that is undiagnosed, undertreated and plain
> missed for YEARS, it takes a heavy toll on the delicate balance of hormones.
> Even if you kill all the bugs, your body will have a difficult time
> adjusting the hormones back to their pre-illness state.
>
>
>
> Some believe that cancers are some type of infection gone wrong. Supposedly
> the cancerous cells are trying to protect the body from the infection, or
> are a result of the infection, or something like that (not my area, but I've
> heard little about it). There are studies that show the infection theory
> (whether viral, bacterial, fungal or otherwise) is valid.
>
>
>
> Thyroid is a huge part of your immune system. Without thyroid hormones your
> cells don't function properly. It is the energy for the cell. It gets
> mitochondria working better and reproducing more quickly. Mitochondria are
> where the ATP (Kreb's) cycle takes place, which is the engine of the cell.
> Thyroid gets the mitochondria funtioning right and reproducing more quickly
> which ultimately gets the ATP cycle going more and more, increasing the
> metabolism of the cell. Iodine is what makes up thyroid hormones.
>
>
>
> Ohhhhh. soooo much more to say.. But I have to go! I'll write more next
> week when I get back!
>
> Gina
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of suzy flynn
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Nancy. I probably should be taking iodine anyway.
>
>
>
> Suzy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Nancy Umberger <mailto:ncumberger@...>
>
> To: lymestrategies@ <mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:46 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid
>
>
>
>
> Suzy,
>
> I don't know how my thyroid is. What I have heard is that iodine is good
> against breast cancer. I have had breast cancer. I have been taking
> Iodoral(two drops of Lugol's in pill form) for quite some time now. It
> seems to be helping with digestion and maybe body temperature.
>
> Best to you,
>
> Nancy U.
>
> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, suzannem527 <sflynn@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: suzannem527 <sflynn@...>
> Subject: [lymestrategies] OT- nodules on thyroid
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 10:43 AM
>
> Hi,
> I recently found out that I have 9 nodules on my thyroid.
>
> Is this a common thing for people w/ lyme?
>
> Endo wants to do biopsies. I am not keen on anything invasive. Doc says its
> safe. If it is so safe why do they only biopsy 2 nodules at a time? This
> means I will have to have 5 sessions of biopsies. Seems ridiculous to me?
> Plus the procedure will be horrific because I cannot lay flat due to severe
> vertigo for the past 6 years. Even if I am sedated, I will be incapacitated
> after I wake up. And the biggest fear is will this become a new symp that
> will not go away.
>
> My family doc suggested iodine therapy (lugols), but she said I would be
> going against traditional medical practices and I would have to sign a
> waiver. OMG! That sounds bad too. (I really do trust this dr. She isnt LLMD
> but treats mostly lyme/autism/ mercury patients- mostly with natural
> protocols).
>
> I would hate to ignore this if it could be cancerous. A friend suggested a
> tumor marker blood test. My docs don't seem to think it is necessary.
>
> Can anyone point me to some research and info on these choices of treatment?
> I would so appreciate it.
>
> Has anyone had experience with this? Lyme and mercury poisoning is bad
> enough, now I have this to deal with. Argh!
>
> I know that this group is highly educated and full of experience and wisdom.
> I would love some feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Suzy in PA
>