Hi Roger,
thanks, what do you know about sage, dandelion,borage and licorice for the
immune?
I have lots of sage!
jo--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Roger Dilworth <rogerdil@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have lyme, but here is what I do.  I'm looking for an improved/more
systematic
approach myself.
>
>   Lymph - herbal tea of Echinacea Angustifolia root, Mullein leaf, Licorice,
yellow dock,
goldenrod, borage, dandelion, sage.
>
>   Candida - Agrisept-L, cream of tartar, oil of oregano
>
>   Anti-viral/bacterial - zapping
>
>   Have my first cold in at least eight months, which I attribute - rightly or
wrongly - to
eating unboiled dairy (which I usually avoid) without zapping afterwards.  Just
started
incorporating a large amount of garlic into my diet, which I hope will help the
immune
system.  I'm now on two drops of MMS, three times a week (it changes all the
time).
Occasional measures include diatomaceous earth and wormwood/black walnut
hull/cloves
for anti-parasite.
>
>
>
> lostwithiel8 <lostwithiel8@...> wrote:
>           Are we all still suffering because our immune systems arn't strong
enough to deal
with
> this? if they were strong would our immune systems alone get rid of the bugs?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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I am now bed/house bound and can't get out to buy capsules,etc. My
husband will go to the store for Real Salt and Vit C however.

How much Real Salt is 1 gram?
Why do the instrictions say it needs to be put in a capsule?

Please email me at lizpacosa@...

I started with 3 g Emergen-C (because I had a box and it was
dissolvable) and Real Salt 3 timeses a day- for 2 days. On both days I
had massive watery diarrhea, like when taking epsom salts.
Is this common?  Please email me at lizpacosa@...

Becky  -

Hey, sorry to hear about your struggles. I always read your posts and
can relate to much of what you are dealing with. I also have had a
prior diagnosis of MS, and currently have lost a lot more function. I
would need some much needed care if it weren't for my husband, I
might need help at home or have to live elsewhere also.

I am having a hard time keeping weight on too. Part of it is from my
severe food allergies, but mostly I think it's because of the
advanced chronic lyme, and how it messes with the nervous system. I
lost a lot of weight in the past also, when I would have extended
episodes of dysautonomia and nervous system issues...........which
others might diagnose as MS type symptoms too.

For me, it is mostly nervous system impairment, and does not directly
relate to parasites, heavy metals or infection load........although
these are what made my nervous system breakdown and demylinate in the
first place, especially the neuro inflammation this has caused long
term.

One suggestion is to be sure you have had your adrenals evaluated.
Mine are all but not working, and this can cause many symptoms,
including extreme weight loss.

I am still losing a little more, and never have weighed this low
before. But I'm hoping things will even out soon. I'm working really
hard to get everything under control and help support brain and
nervous system recovery while treat infections. I think one of my
main issues is viral overload.

Please be careful not to over treat with any modality you are using,
because I know this has been tricky for me. When  someone's nervous
system is already impaired, it's not easy to recover if you hit
things too hard, i.e. herxing too strongly. Slow and steady is best.

I am on a low dose of cortisol for my adrenals. I know this helps so
I won't lose weight as much as if I wasn't on any.......and now it's
not a choice because I go into failure without it.

I know how you feel. I just bought some new summer shorts, and they
are all too big already. I didn't weigh this morning, but I measured
myself.........and it was quite a shock.

Before this for many years, the weight just would not come off no
matter what, now it's the other way.

Hang in there. You are one amazing and brave woman. I think of you
often.

Love,
Jnanda
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Becky" <bacwannaski@> wrote:
> >
> > I was so excited to get weighed today to see how much weight I
gained
> > well I started to cry I lost I was 90 pounds last month now Im 88
> > pounds I don,t understand I have been eating all kinds of things
that
> > should have made me gain weight not lose this happend a couple of
yrs.
> > ago before I new I had lyme I went down to 85 pounds and I was
not
> > eating any differant unexplained weight lose (lyme) Im hopeing
that
> > maybe its happening again that my desease is going in reverse you
know
> > what they say you get sick abcd and get better dcba I hope that
is
> > right.any thoughts ? Becky
> >
>

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, JimJax2@... wrote:
>
>
So, on this note, does anyone know anything about how immune
enhancers/regulators might help? I've been wondering about Waiora's
new mushroom product called Agarigold.

Has anyone tried that sort of thing?

Monica

> Hi Susan,
>
> Back when Bowen Lab was in biz, they showed Bb present in 96% of
all Lyme tests! This confirms what Dr, Linghart is saying that
practically everyone is infected with the bacteria. And the reason
some of us have the disease and many don't is a compromised immune
system...? If you will recall, my journey with neuro Lyme started in
2003 after 4 steroid nerve blocks.... I started having several
neurological Lyme symptoms that did not go away (of course I had no
dx of Lyme nor did I know it was Lyme at the time). Steroids
definitely compromise the immune system... And again, 4 more steroid
nerve blocks August 2005 and my health went straight downhill after
that.... I was in the ER 5 times between August and December 2005 for
various complaints and I awoke on Dec 26, 2005 with full neuro Lyme
and was bedridden for the the next 10 - 13 days... I knew when I
awoke that day, my life had radically changed and felt this was
something very serious.... If it were not for these 8 steroid nerve
blocks, my symptoms probably would all have remained in my gut...
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>     Re: non s/c:  Lyme & Co. curable or incurable??
>     Posted by: "sueblanton" sueblanton@... sueblanton
>     Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:11 pm ((PDT))
>
> -I just read an article by Dr Klinghart where he claims that
practically
> everyone in the
> country is a host for the Lyme Bacteria.  The difference between
those folks who
> are not
> sick and those like us who have the disease, is a comprismised
immune system,
> the ability
> for us to detox adequately and our preexisting parasite/worm load.
The reason
> we get so
> sick is that Lyme opens the door for so many other pathogens to
invade, HPylori,
> which  according to Klinghart has a suspected link to Parkensons.
Candida,
> Chlamydia
> Pneumonae,  Mycoplasmas, Rikettsia, Flukes and intestinal worms and
of course
> the old
> standbys Babs, Bart and Ehrlichia among others could all be
coexisting in our
> systems.  I
> personally think that a vacation to Mexico about 12 years ago was
the transition
> for me
> from being healthy to sick.  I am sure that I picked up parasites
while down
> there, as I was
> sick with Montezumas Revenge and got some pills from the pharmacy
for it
> thinking I had
> cleared it up.  It is so odd to me that humans who own dogs, cats
and horses
> spend
> money every six months to worm their pets, yet the thought of
worming ourselves
> is
> somehow viewed as distasteful. This article links so many of our
most common
> diseases to
> Pathogens and Klinghart believes that a lot of diseases that are
considered to
> be a
> "normal" part of aging is really nothing more then pathogens.  It's
too bad that
> most
> Allopathic Doctors haven't figured this out, as if we are somehow
immune to
> parasitic
> organisms.  Klinghart also believes that because of global warming
more of these
> stealth
> pathogens are appearing and that we as a species could be soon be
on the
> threatened
> species list.
>
> Susan
>

Hi Everyone,

This whole subject has my attention.

I had an herbal wormer that we used for our horse. I've had some sort
of thing going on the last week that I think is a co-infection - lots
of chills. Today I started taking the herbal wormer and had a
reaction much like the first days of taking the salt/c. I was tingly
all over my face and got very tired in a nice sort of way. Every
place that I was achy this past week was tingly after taking the
herbal wormer. The tiredness is the kind that makes me know a healing
effect is happening. I only get this when my body is healing
something. So I'm going to continue with this for one week. I also
started my two kids on it at lower doses, of course.

It makes sense to me to kill the parasites off first because they are
carrying them, too, right? Aren't they just giving us back the
disease after we kill some off?

I've noticed that bulge on my stomach, too. I think that idea may be
right.

I have wondered why my friends' dogs and horses seem to get over Lyme
quicker than their human counterparts. I'm wondering if it's because
we worm them as a matter of course so they don't have as much of a
parasite load to deal with on an ongoing basis.

I'm trying to find out which parasites this herbal stuff targets, but
I believe roundworms is one.

I had also been wondering about Diatomaceous Earth. Was wondering if
that was safe for humans to take. It's also something we used to give
our horse on a regular basis.

Thanks for all the info.

Monica

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "sueblanton" <sueblanton@...>
wrote:
>
> Dr Klinghardt recommends Billtricide which is a pretty potent
drug.  My Lymie friend just
> went to see him and he said he won't even begin to treat the Lyme
until her intestinal
> parasites are dealt with.  I have also read that Piperizine is used
with some varieties of
> worms.  Roundworms are especially tenacious and Dr Klinghardt told
my friend that
> treatment must be administered for up to two years.  Some worms can
reproduce every
> twenty minutes and we could have hundreds of thousands of them
occupying our bodies.
> One problem with eliminating a large worm load is that roundworms
can actually die off
> and form a big ball in the intestines creating an obstruction.
Interestingly, the same drugs
> that are used over the counter to treat dog worms are administered
by prescription in
> humans.  I wonder if the pot belly that is often attributed to Lyme
is actually a symptom of
> intestinal parasites.  If you think about children in countries
where sanitation is poor such
> as Africa, they all have pot bellies as a result of worm
infestation.  I have also noticed this
> with my dogs as well when they are wormy.
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "comdyne2002" <comdyne@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "carolyntriance"
> > <carolyntriance@> wrote:
> > Unsalted pumpkin seeds work well. I also make 50/50 capsules of
DE
> > (Diatomaceous Earth) and MSM.
> >
> >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "susan" <ssiegel5@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know the ingredients of Vermex, but I note that
Humaworm
> > > contains Elecampene [sp?], which I believe is the main
ingredient of
> > > Enula, the new Nutramedix product for babs and worms, so THAT
may
> > > cause a babs herx. I have Humaworm on order, as I note that
> > > Ivermectin, which I took as 3 once a week doses, may not be
effective
> > > against certain types of parasite.
> > > Carolyn
> > > >
> > > > SNIP
> >
>

Extract3 <extract3@...> wrote:

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Table Of Studies

On MSM & DMSO

 

These studies were found using the premium search service, HealthGate, searching the Medlines database.  In each case the search was set to find all articles, published from 1977 to current date, without restriction.

The first search term was "methylsulfonylmethane."  There were no hits.  The next search term was "methyl sulfonyl methane," and there were no hits.  Then, the search term was "dimethyl sulfone" and there were no hits.   "DMSO2" got no hits.    "DMSO" got only six hits, and a quick review of those didn't seem to warrant making further reference to them.  Then, "dimethylsulfoxide" was used as the search term and there were only five hits!  The term "sulfur" gets 35 hits!  But many of these had to do with sulfur dioxide, and are not shown below.  the next term searched for was "sports injuries."  The term "cell permeability" was searched, and only five non-relative studies found.  The term "MSM" was not expected to find anything relative, and did not. 

Probably the conclusion from these searches is that very little research has been published on the role of MSM.  The fact that even DMSO does not come up with any significant hits means, apparently, that this widely used substance has, itself, not received any significant attention from the normal medical journals.

When and as I find some better places and ways to search, I'll return to this page with data.  [February 12, 1999]

 

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Brand Name: Rimso-50®
Generic Name: dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO)
Manufacturer: Research Medical, Inc

rug Information

MSO is the most widely used treatment for interstitial cystitis (IC). It has both anti-inflammatory and analgesic properties. It is believed to inhibit free radical production, thus reducing pain and inflammation. It also serves as a muscle relaxant and aids in the absorption of other medications. Its liquid form, Rimso-50, was approved by the FDA for use with IC in 1978. Oral and topical forms of DMSO have not been found to be useful in the treatment of IC.

nstillations

50% solution of DMSO is instilled intravesically, meaning that the drug is placed, via catheter, directly into the bladder. It is then held in the bladder for 10-20 minutes. This procedure is typically performed in a physician's office.

reatment Protocol

C patients initially receive a series of DMSO treatments. One treatment is given every one or two weeks for four to six treatments, depending on the patient's response to the medication. After this initial series, many patients do find some relief, both in pain and frequency. Additional treatments may be necessary, should symptoms recur. Some patients find they need only one DMSO instillation should a "flare-up" arise. It is best to schedule a treatment as soon as symptoms begin to recur, rather than waiting until symptoms have intensified. DMSO treatments should not be started until 3-4 weeks after IC diagnostic cystoscopy. This waiting period ensures that bladder biopsy sites have healed.

hen DMSO is combined with other medications such as heparin, steroids, bicarbonate and analgesics, it may be referred to as a "cocktail". It is recommended that patients begin with just DMSO, and move on to this "cocktail" if no improvement is seen.

ide Effects

strong garlic-like taste or smell may be present for 24 hours after DMSO instillation. Most patients don't notice this odor, though anyone in close proximity to the patient may detect it. Patients may experience a temporary worsening of bladder symptoms, (a temporary chemical cystitis), lasting 12-24 hrs. after treatment. Also, some patients have reported short-lived flu-like symptoms after DMSO treatment.

Should you experience pain during treatment...

	Have your physician prescribe anticholinergics such as probanthine or oxbutynin or B&O suppositories to be used prior to instillation.
	Request a pediatric catheter for the instillation.
	Apply an analgesic gel such as lidocaine to the urethra prior to catheter insertion.
	A numbing agent such as lidocaine or xylocaine may be inserted into the bladder before DMSO instillation.
	Some patients find that the pain experienced with this procedure subsides with repeated instillations.

Pregnancy

o controlled studies have been done on the use of DMSO during pregnancy or lactation. The manufacturer of the product does not recommend its use during pregnancy. No studies have been done on the safety and effectiveness of DMSO instillations in children.

Resources and References

	Interstitial Cystitis, Alan J. Wein, MD & Philip M Hanno, MD, Editors, Urology (supplement), May 1997
	Interstitial Cystitis, Campbell's Urology Update #14, 1995
	ICA Update, Winter 1994
	Standard Intravesical Therapies For Interstitial Cystitis, G. R. Sant, M.D. and D.R. LaRock, M.D., 1994

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DMSO Therapy

Introduction

This is a chemical product—called dimethyl sulfoxide—that has been around a long time but is totally strange to the orthodox medical community. It has been used for years by athletes to help them with painful muscles and joints.

DMSO works in a number of ways, but these are entirely new to therapeutic principles. This is not a drug in the usual sense, since a drug treats disease symptoms. DMSO treats altered cellular function or damaged cells. The cells become healed and restored by changing and stabilizing the “water structure” within the cell. It exerts its effects on biological systems by changing the liquid structure of water. Therefore, changes occur in protein and other molecules. These changes are physical-chemical in nature and difficult to understand without a degree in physics.

The fact remains that these products work to restore function in illnesses like arthritis and immune system disease, and they are very helpful in acute inflammatory pain syndromes.

What It Does

DMSO tends to build up white blood cells and increase immune production of MIF (migration inhibitory factors) of macrophages. Thus, the immune system is made more effective by allowing macrophages to move more quickly. Thus DMSO modulates lymphocytes, and it therefore reactivates the production of MIF. It also diminishes allergic reactions by unfolding the cell membrane and making more cell receptor sites available to attachment by specific antigens.

The modulating effect of DMSO on lymphocytes also tends to increase the production of lymphokines (chemical immune cell mediators) such as interferon. It potentiates cell mediated immunity and can be effective in multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, thyroiditis, ulcerative colitis, cancer, etc.

What Are Its Major Therapeutic Properties?

1. It blocks pain by interrupting conduction in the small c-fibers, the non-myelinating nerve fibers.
2. It is anti-inflammatory.
3. It is anti bacterial, fungal and viral.
4. It transports all molecules (drugs, etc.) across cell membranes.
5. It reduces the incidence of platelet thrombi (clots in vessels).
6. It effects cardiac contractility by inhibiting calcium to reduce the workload of the heart.
7. It is a vasodilator, probably related to histamine release in the cells and to prostaglandin inhibition.
8. It softens collagen.
9. It is a scavenger of the hydroxyl free radical.
10. It stimulates the immune system.
11. It is a potent diuretic.
12. It increases interferon formation.
13. It stimulates wound healing.

Summary

DMSO has certain unique physiological characteristics which stem from its molecular makeup:

• It is a simple small molecule with unusual properties.
• An exothermic reaction occurs when DMSO is diluted with water (heat is generated).
• Hydroxyl radicals (OH), which are free radicals (oxidants), are ubiquitous and highly injurious to cells—and thus health. DMSO neutralizes (quenches) these free radicals. It is a free radical scavenger!
  DMSO substitutes for water in the living cell—it can destroy intracellular free radicals. No other antioxidant can do that.
• DMSO increases the permeability of cell membranes yielding a flushing effect of toxins from intracellular location to extracellular.
• It is an antidote to allergic reactions.
• It can penetrate any cell wall; thus it can get where most chemicals can’t.
• It has a very low index of any toxicity.
• Allergic reactions to DMSO can occur but they are uncommon.

DMSO has a myriad of applications in medicine. Some are so dramatically effective that the concept of such therapy just boggles the mind!

References

1. Szmant, H. Harry. Physical properties of dimethyl sulfoxide and its function in biological systems, Biological Actions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide ed. by Stanley W. Jacob and Robert Herschler. (New York: New York Academy of Sciences, 1975), pp. 20-23.
2. Barfeld, H., and T. Atoynatan. N-acetylcysteine inactivates migration inhibitory factor and delayed hypersensitivity reactions. Nature new Bio., 231:157-159, 1971.
3. Barfeld, H., and T. Atoynatan, Cytophilic nature of migration inhibitory factor associated with delayed hypersensitivity, Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol. Med., 139:497-501, 1969.
4. Tschope, M., cited in Raettig, H. “The potential of DMSO in experimental immunology,” Dimethylsulfoxyl, Internationales Symposium in Wien. G. Laudahn and K. Getrich, eds.; 54. Saladruck, Berlin, Germany, 1966.
5. Engel, M.F. Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci., 141:638, 1967.

© 1998 Stephen B. Edelson, M.D., F.A.A.F.P., F.A.A.E.M.

NOTICE: This information is provided for educational purposes. Any medical procedures, dietary changes, or nutritional supplements discussed herein should only be undertaken on the advice of a qualified physician.

 

Stephen B. Edelson, M.D., F.A.A.F.P., F.A.A.E.M.
The Edelson Center for Environmental and Preventive Medicine
3833 Roswell Road, Suite 110 • Atlanta, GA 30342 • (404) 841-0088 • FAX: (404) 841-6416

The Edelson Center for Environmental & Preventive Medicine / www.EdelsonCenter.com

 

 

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Posted by: "sueblanton" sueblanton@... sueblanton

Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:11 pm ((PDT))



-I just read an article by Dr Klinghart where he claims that practically 

everyone in the 

country is a host for the Lyme Bacteria. The difference between those folks who 

are not 

sick and those like us who have the disease, is a comprismised immune system, 

the ability 

for us to detox adequately and our preexisting parasite/worm load. The reason 

we get so 

sick is that Lyme opens the door for so many other pathogens to invade, HPylori, 

which according to Klinghart has a suspected link to Parkensons. Candida, 

Chlamydia 

Pneumonae, Mycoplasmas, Rikettsia, Flukes and intestinal worms and of course 

the old 

standbys Babs, Bart and Ehrlichia among others could all be coexisting in our 

systems. I 

personally think that a vacation to Mexico about 12 years ago was the transition 

for me 

from being healthy to sick. I am sure that I picked up parasites while down 

there, as I was 

sick with Montezumas Revenge and got some pills from the pharmacy for it 

thinking I had 

cleared it up. It is so odd to me that humans who own dogs, cats and horses 

spend 

money every six months to worm their pets, yet the thought of worming ourselves 

is 

somehow viewed as distasteful. This article links so many of our most common 

diseases to 

Pathogens and Klinghart believes that a lot of diseases that are considered to 

be a 

"normal" part of aging is really nothing more then pathogens. It's too bad that 

most 

Allopathic Doctors haven't figured this out, as if we are somehow immune to 

parasitic 

organisms. Klinghart also believes that because of global warming more of these 

stealth 

pathogens are appearing and that we as a species could be soon be on the 

threatened 

species list.



Susan

Teresa -

I am just going to reiterate the same thing everyone else has said. If
something is working for you and you are getting results, then trust
this. All protocols and treatments should be individualized.

We can all develope intuition and inner knowing, and I'm sure if you
can quiet and center yourself, you'll find the direction you need.

Often whatever statements you are saying to yourself, in writing, or
speapeaking outloud........will already give you your answer.

Dosages are so individual within the protocols also. Just pay attention
as you have been, to how you feel and react to anything you are doing.

Hang in there!

Love,
Jnanda




In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa" <telainechambers@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just so confused, the MMS really seems to be helping me, and
the
> > post I read are the same. Then I find the negitive feedback that I
have
> > posted. It just makes me want to cry, I don't know who to believe,
I
> > feel better, but then they say it is toxic. How can we know what is
> > truth! Teresa
> >
>

Dear Teresa,

Here is my two cents.  Anything is toxic in large enough doses including water. 
The key
here I think is moderation.  I have been dowsing my dosage of MMS and it remains
at
around 13-15 drops at night depending upon how much I am rifing too.  I rifed
for
Mycoplasma and coinfections the other day for several hours and dowsed my MMS
for the
last two days and I was given the message that I did not need to take any. 
However, when
I dowse my Burbur which is a Lymphatic detox herb it tells me to take 40 drops. 
I guage
how big a herx that I am having by how much Burbur I must take.  Today, I dowsed
the
Burbur and was told not to take any, so I will probably dowse the MMS tonight
and find
that I will need to go back to taking it.  Anyway, if you are feeling better
doing MMS, then
try to remember that any protocol that is helpful will have it's naysayers.  I
really believe
that the FDA and drug companies would prefer to keep us sick, that way we can
continue
taking their pharmaceuticals.  If we all get better they lose money, so you must
trust your
own instincts on this.

Susan

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa" <telainechambers@...> wrote:
>
> I'm just so confused, the MMS really seems to be helping me, and the
> post I read are the same. Then I find the negitive feedback that I have
> posted. It just makes me want to cry, I don't know who to believe, I
> feel better, but then they say it is toxic. How can we know what is
> truth! Teresa
>

Dr Klinghardt recommends Billtricide which is a pretty potent drug.  My Lymie
friend just
went to see him and he said he won't even begin to treat the Lyme until her
intestinal
parasites are dealt with.  I have also read that Piperizine is used with some
varieties of
worms.  Roundworms are especially tenacious and Dr Klinghardt told my friend
that
treatment must be administered for up to two years.  Some worms can reproduce
every
twenty minutes and we could have hundreds of thousands of them occupying our
bodies.
One problem with eliminating a large worm load is that roundworms can actually
die off
and form a big ball in the intestines creating an obstruction.  Interestingly,
the same drugs
that are used over the counter to treat dog worms are administered by
prescription in
humans.  I wonder if the pot belly that is often attributed to Lyme is actually
a symptom of
intestinal parasites.  If you think about children in countries where sanitation
is poor such
as Africa, they all have pot bellies as a result of worm infestation.  I have
also noticed this
with my dogs as well when they are wormy.


Susan



--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "comdyne2002" <comdyne@...> wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "carolyntriance"
> <carolyntriance@> wrote:
> Unsalted pumpkin seeds work well. I also make 50/50 capsules of DE
> (Diatomaceous Earth) and MSM.
>
>
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "susan" <ssiegel5@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know the ingredients of Vermex, but I note that Humaworm
> > contains Elecampene [sp?], which I believe is the main ingredient of
> > Enula, the new Nutramedix product for babs and worms, so THAT may
> > cause a babs herx. I have Humaworm on order, as I note that
> > Ivermectin, which I took as 3 once a week doses, may not be effective
> > against certain types of parasite.
> > Carolyn
> > >
> > > SNIP
>

Hello!

I am hoping some of you have researched oxygen machines and could
advise me on a source of a (hopefully) inexpensive one.

Please email me directly as I am not able to review the digests right
now--post too for other's benefit though!

Thanks for your help!!

elizabeth e_mars1133@...

Hi Becky,
I am in the same boat as you - I keep losing weight and it is very
upsetting to me, too.
Have you tried cutting out wheat/gluten from your diet?  Many with
lyme develop an intolerance to gluten - I recently discovered that I
have.
It has been 2 weeks since I cut out gluten and the chronic sores on my
mouth have cleared up.  I am also feeling better overall!  :)

Gluten intolerance causes a person's digestive tract to become
irritated and food is not absorbed properly.  My chronic mouth sores
were caused by vitamin deficiencies but after cutting out gluten they
are going away...  I hope to start putting weight on soon!

Yours,
BB/Ellen

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Becky" <bacwannaski@...> wrote:
>
> I was so excited to get weighed today to see how much weight I gained
> well I started to cry I lost I was 90 pounds last month now Im 88
> pounds I don,t understand I have been eating all kinds of things that
> should have made me gain weight not lose this happend a couple of yrs.
> ago before I new I had lyme I went down to 85 pounds and I was not
> eating any differant unexplained weight lose (lyme) Im hopeing that
> maybe its happening again that my desease is going in reverse you know
> what they say you get sick abcd and get better dcba I hope that is
> right.any thoughts ? Becky
>

Are we all still suffering because our immune systems arn't strong enough to deal with
this? if they were strong would our immune systems alone get rid of the bugs?

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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:57 PM

Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: Non S/C Giving up milk

Check this out ! You can find a Raw Milk farm nearest you : )  Love this website !

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                                                                         Susan in WV

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---I think it is a mix. It is quite impossible these days to fight so
many things. Our bodies were not meant to do that. However, I do feel
that the more we can help our immune system the better chance we
have.After all it is our immune system that heals us physically. All
the other stuff helps the immune system. Along with that not only
diet, supplements, and lifestyle helps the immune system but also
mental health, spiritual health and a healthy social life.
cathy

      In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Ambitionn01@... wrote:
>
> Good point.  I use buffered C, turmeric, Resveratrol and Cat's
Claw  with
> excellent results.  I am not doing salt-c, so I don't know how
that  mixes with
> herbs.
>
> Heidi N
>
>
> "Are we all still suffering because our immune systems arn't strong
enough
> to deal with
> this? if they were strong would our immune systems alone get  rid
of the
> bugs?"
>
>
>
>
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i held my nose and put pomegranate juice in it and immediately had some yogurt after. It
seems very very hard for me to take but it is working. the last 2 lyme flares have been
different. no numb face and no terrible numb sinus thing and brain not quite so numb.
Might feel like that tomorrow though. As usual terrible runs, but no tummy gripes. I
spaced out 10 drops a few at a time which is a better idea. so its 10 drops a day for a bit
and then a month or so break

i held my nose and put pomegranate juice in it and immediately had some yogurt
after.  It
seems very very hard for me to take but it is working. the last 2 lyme flares
have been
different.  no numb face and no terrible numb sinus thing and brain not quite so
numb.
Might feel like that tomorrow though.  As usual terrible runs, but no tummy
gripes.  I
spaced out 10 drops a few at a time which is a better idea. so its 10 drops a
day for a bit
and then a month or so break

well you must be getting better if you're treating it ith something and yes I
have geard this
reverse trend sounds like it to me also maybe you've got worms
jo
--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Becky" <bacwannaski@...> wrote:
>
> I was so excited to get weighed today to see how much weight I gained
> well I started to cry I lost I was 90 pounds last month now Im 88
> pounds I don,t understand I have been eating all kinds of things that
> should have made me gain weight not lose this happend a couple of yrs.
> ago before I new I had lyme I went down to 85 pounds and I was not
> eating any differant unexplained weight lose (lyme) Im hopeing that
> maybe its happening again that my desease is going in reverse you know
> what they say you get sick abcd and get better dcba I hope that is
> right.any thoughts ? Becky
>

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

I think Ivermectin is a broad spectrum parasite treatment, but I read
that it is not active against protozoa, tapeworms or flukes:
unfortunately I can't remember where I read this, but I jotted it down!!

Carolyn

"lostwithiel8" <lostwithiel8@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Any thoughts as to why ivermectin may not be effective?

> jo--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "carolyntriance"
<carolyntriance@> wrote:
> >
> > -. I have Humaworm on order, as I note that
> > Ivermectin, which I took as 3 once a week doses, may not be effective
> > against certain types of parasite.
> >
>

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

I think Ivermectin is a broad spectrum parasite treatment, but I read
that it is not active against protozoa, tapeworms or flukes:
unfortunately I can't remember where I read this, but I jotted it down!!

Carolyn






  "lostwithiel8" <lostwithiel8@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Any thoughts as to why ivermectin may not be effective?

> jo--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "carolyntriance"
<carolyntriance@> wrote:
> >
> > -. I have Humaworm on order, as I note that
> > Ivermectin, which I took as 3 once a week doses, may not be effective
> > against certain types of parasite.
> >
>

I was so excited to get weighed today to see how much weight I gained
well I started to cry I lost I was 90 pounds last month now Im 88
pounds I don,t understand I have been eating all kinds of things that
should have made me gain weight not lose this happend a couple of yrs.
ago before I new I had lyme I went down to 85 pounds and I was not
eating any differant unexplained weight lose (lyme) Im hopeing that
maybe its happening again that my desease is going in reverse you know
what they say you get sick abcd and get better dcba I hope that is
right.any thoughts ? Becky

since I cannot use this I tried to unsubscribe. It has been more than
24 hours. Would the moderator help facilitate this please. Doug in
Durham

Hello everyone on MMS,

I am a newbie with MMS and I join all those who
think that our own body should be our first judge
on what to do. I have read some of these negative materials
against MMS and Humble himself. They still can
not explain the cases of success that are well documented
even on this forum, let alone the MMS group.
It is a new protocol and it will surely need some adjustments
on a fly but the fact is that it helps some of us.
Different bodies can take the same treatment differently.

Just to clarify for the critics: I have posted 2 days ago
a material citing a scientific research from the
late 70s and early 80s showing that solutions
of NaClO2 in water less than 0.5% are harmless for
rats. These studies were done at the time when NaClO2
was considered to replace the old Cl based substance
for water purifications and the agencies needed such tests
of the toxic effect of NaCLO2. Now, everyone can
calculate himself that the doses recomended in the MMS
protocol, even at 30 drops a day, have effective concentration
of NaClO2 less than 0.5% (please, see my post on that earlier).
The fact that the bottle is 28% does not mean that we
are drinking 28% with MMS!! 10 drops from this bottle
diluted in about 200 ml of solution with acid and juice
(or water) is equivalent to about 0.07% solution of NaClO2.

Emil

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, RRM <rmor67@...> wrote:
>
> if the mms is helping you stay with it.
>   it is a goot product.
>   far better than rx abx the dr. try to kill you with.
>
>   donot leat FEAR  CONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS !!!
>
> roger
>
> Teresa <telainechambers@...> wrote:
>           I'm just so confused, the MMS really seems to be helping
me, and the
> post I read are the same. Then I find the negitive feedback that I have
> posted. It just makes me want to cry, I don't know who to believe, I
> feel better, but then they say it is toxic. How can we know what is
> truth! Teresa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Try it now.
>

I'm just so confused, the MMS really seems to be helping me, and the
post I read are the same. Then I find the negitive feedback that I have
posted. It just makes me want to cry, I don't know who to believe, I
feel better, but then they say it is toxic. How can we know what is
truth! Teresa