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#4881 From: LymeAngl@...
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 2:27 am
Subject: Project to help Lymies.....:-)) lymeangl
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Hello fellow Lymies and friends......I'm working on a project, for release to the Lyme communities, and I need some help. As most of you know, I do not take allopathic antiobiotics and I am not familiar with all the prescription medicatations that Lymies take. If by chance you know the name and generic name AND the manufacturer (pharmaceutical company) that makes it, that would also be helpful. I don't want to leave anything out. I did a similar project for the hepatitis communities several years ago and it was very beneficial for those who can not afford to pay for their medications......

This project will provide information for people to apply to the pharmaceuticals for help in obtaining their medications in one place, so that you are not running all over, getting stressed trying to find the contact information.

Please send your answers to me privately.....Here is the partial list that I have now....forgive the spelling, as I am not familar but will certainly learn as this project comes together.

Thanking you in advance for your time and considerations. All Lymies could benefit from this completed project. :-))

Minocin
Rifampin
Bicillin
Ketek
Zithromax
Riamet
Mepron
Nutropin
Provigil
Ketek
Cipro
Tetracycline
Difucan
Clavulin
Ammoxicillin
Dosycycline
Primaxin
Nystatin
Plaquenil
Biaxin
Flagyl
Rociphin
Minocycline
Rocephin

Angel Huggzzz
Linda or Angel

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#4880 From: LymeAngl@...
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 1:13 am
Subject: Re: Decaf Enemas (coffee enemas updated list 6/1/05) lymeangl
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Instant relief from toxic discomfort
http://www.road-to-health.com/am/publish/article_15.shtml

Instant relief from toxic discomfort (headache, disorientation, nausea and more). Enemas:

A high, retention enema, using coffee, should be taken to aid in the elimination of toxic waste material from the body. The coffee enema should be taken daily for as long as one is on the Metabolic Program. After 35 years, Dr. Kelley still takes his daily enema.

The coffee enema is very stimulating to the liver and is the greatest aid in elimination of the liver’s toxic wastes.

The coffee enema, besides stimulating liver detoxification, also has beneficial effects in cleaning the colon. Coffee is an excellent solvent for encrusted waste accumulated along the walls of the colon. Its caffeine content also directly stimulates the peristaltic muscle to contract more powerfully and loosens such deposits, which are occasionally visible as hard, black material and "ropes" of mucus. Gradually, as the protein metabolism of the body improves, the muscle tone of the bowel becomes normal and thorough evacuation is possible without the aid of the enema.

Essentially, the coffee enemas help the liver perform a task for which it was not designed — that of elimination in 1 or 2 years the accumulated wastes from many years of living in ignorance of the laws of nature.

At first, most people dislike enemas and have psychological barriers against them. Ignorance of the purpose and function of the enema, as well as misunderstanding of the proper procedure for taking it bring about this aversion. I have observed, however, that the persons most opposed to enemas soon reverse their prejudices and become the most avid supporters of them! In many cases, the enema relieves distress and gives a sense of well being and cleanliness never before experienced. The proper removal of toxins and debris from the colon is absolutely essential in all conditions of disease and ill health.

It is most desirable to take the coffee enema early in the morning and it may be repeated again in early afternoon and/or evening, depending upon the toxic condition of the body. Enemas using coffee in the afternoon or evening may interfere with sound sleep. If enemas are needed at these times, many patients prefer to use only warm pure water omitting the coffee. But it is better to take coffee at these times also, and a weaker solution to permit sleep would be better than not using coffee at all.

How To Make A Coffee Enema

1. Just before bedtime each day, make a pot of coffee (1 quart). Unplug coffeepot and allow to cool to room temperature.

2. It is best to arise early enough each morning to allow time to take the enema in a relaxed, unhurried state.

3. The coffee must be regular, non-instant, non-decaffeinated coffee. It must be prepared in enamelware, Corning Ware™, glass or stainless steel, or by the tricolator filter method. Aluminum or Teflon should not be used at any time! We have found the coffee that is unboiled or prepared via the "drip method" is preferable. Use 2 to 4 tablespoons of ground coffee to 1 quart of Filtered water. Any water that enters into the body should be distilled water.

One may purchase a Still from: H2 only Still Portable Connects to Sink $449.00 or H2O Distillation Unit (Still, Faucet, Pump & Container) $695.00 or Love Water Distiller, Table Top, makes 1 gallon in 5 hours $179.00

Road To Health, Inc. (800) 651-7080

4. If a coffee enema makes a person jittery, shaky, nervous, nauseated, or light-headed, the coffee solution is too strong. The amount of coffee can be adjusted from 1 teaspoon to 4 tablespoons per quart of water as tolerance level permits.

5. The high, retention coffee enema should consist of 1 quart of coffee, held for 15 minutes. Some people, children especially, can take and retain only a pint (2 cups) of enema solution at a time. If this is the case, one must take 2 enemas each time, one right after the other, and hold each for 15 minutes as directed.

6. Upon rising each morning plug in the coffeepot for a few seconds to bring coffee to body temperature; unplug and take the morning coffee enema.

How To Take A Coffee Enema

A. Before the enema do some form of mild exercise if possible, such as walking briskly. If one is extremely debilitated and weak, this step will of course need to be omitted until strength returns.

B. Attempt a normal bowel movement. The enema is much more effective if the colon has been evacuated. One should not become disturbed, however, if there are no regular bowel movements, or very few, during this program. In many cases, not enough bulk collects to instigate a normal bowel movement. When no normal bowel movements are forthcoming, the enema cleans the colon adequately.

C. Bulk formers such as Metamucil (obtainable at the drug store and taken as directed), or 2 tablespoons of miller’s bran with each meal (obtainable at the health food store) are quite helpful in forming stools and thereby creating more normal bowel movements for those who take enemas daily.

D. After the normal bowel movement, if one is forthcoming, or before taking the coffee retention enema, most people find that taking an enema with 1 quart of warm distilled water is very helpful (do not retain this enema). This procedure begins the cleansing of the colon, removing large particles of residue and most of the gas. When it is completed, the coffee retention enema may be taken. The warm water enema is optional and does not need to be taken if the coffee enema can be retained for the desired period.

E. Place 1 quart of coffee in your enema bucket or bag. You may use a Fleet enema bag, which is a disposable large volume plastic bag, an over-the-counter item from the local pharmacy or hospital supply outlet. This enema bag lasts about 2 years.

F. The enema tip on the end of the hose is not adequate to give a "high enema." Place a colon tube (DAVOL) size 24 French or 26 French or 28 French on the opposite end of the plastic tube from the enema bag. This colon tube is a soft flexible rubber-like tube around 30 inches in length. It follows the curves and flexure of the colon. The colon tube is usually inserted about 12 to 24 inches into the rectum. (Editor’s Note: It is difficult today to find a colon tube. However, a plastic rectal tube about 18 long is now available as an over-the-counter item.)

G. Next, allow the coffee to flow to the end of the colon tube, thus eliminating any air in the tube.

H. The colon tube should be lubricated with natural creamery butter, Vitamin E cream or other lubricant that doesn’t contain additives or chemicals.

I. Insert the tube 12-18 inches into the rectum, if possible. This should be done slowly, in a rotating motion that helps to keep the tube from "kinking up" inside the colon.

J. The enema bag should not be over 36 inches higher than the rectum If it is placed too high, the coffee runs into the colon too fast and under too much pressure, causing discomfort.

K. There are several positions that can be used while inserting the colon tube. Squatting is one. There is also the knee-chest method, with chest and knees on the floor and buttocks in the highest position possible. Most people, however, find it easiest to lie on the left side until the solution is out of the bag or bucket. The enema should never be taken while sitting on the toilet or standing.

L. Some people’s colons have kinks or tuns that may prevent the tube from being inserted even 18 inches. Often, if a little bit of the solution is allowed to flow into the colon as the tube is being inserted, one can comfortable get past these kinks.

M. If a kink bends the tube too much and stops the flow of liquid, then the tube can be inserted only as far as it will go, still allowing the liquid to flow freely.

N. Sometimes, if one hits a kink that stops the flow of the liquid completely, the tube can be pulled out slowly just to the point where the solution is felt flowing again. Frequently, the tube can be pushed back in, past the turn that previously stopped the liquid.

O. Because of the shapes and formations of some people’s colons or of course if a child is being given the enema, it will be possible to insert the tube only a few inches. Occasionally, this is a permanent situation. Often, however, as the colon is cleaned and healed, the tube can eventually be inserted further.

P. The tube should never be forced when discomfort occurs.

Q. After the flow of the solution is completed, one may remove the colon tube, although it isn’t necessary to do so. Regardless of the position used up to this point, one now should lie on the left side for at least 5 minutes, then on the back for another 5 minutes, than on the right side for at least 5 minutes.

R. Those who have excessive gas may leave the tube in the colon with the hose clamp open. This allows gas to escape through the enema container. Frequently, the coffee will go in and out of the enema bag or bucket until the gas is relieved.

S. After the enema is retained for 15 minutes or longer, it may be expelled.

T. One is now ready for the rest of his daily routine clean and refreshed!

Helpful Hints

1. If you find you have a lot of gas and it is difficult to retain the enema, try putting 2 tablespoons of blackstrap molasses into your coffee solution.

2. If you get a sudden gas bubble causing an urge to expel the solution, breathe very fast through your nose using your abdominal muscles like a bellows. This usually helps the colon wall break up the gas bubble.

3. If you find that a little coffee leaks out, place an old towel under your buttocks.

Intestinal Obstruction

Occasionally, the intestinal tract will become obstructed. Usually under these circumstances, no food or feces will come through. After a few days, one becomes extremely nauseated and starts vomiting. He or she will be very sick and will normally run a high temperature. This should be watched quite carefully, for in such cases immediate emergency treatment is absolutely necessary.

One should never allow himself to become extremely toxic. But, in order to distinguish between a healing toxic reaction and an intestinal obstruction, as soon as nausea or vomiting develops and no food is passing through, all supplements and food should be stopped for 5 days. Water and juice may be taken during this time.

If there is no vomiting, food is passing through, and the temperature remains below 100 degrees, the diet and normal routine may be resumed, as one may assume there is no obstruction.

A point to remember is that one shouldn’t fail to cycle off the supplements routinely before reaching such a state of toxicity!

If, during the 5 days off the supplements with no solid food intake, one begins to vomit and has abdominal pain with high temperature, the physician should be consulted so that he or she can check for intestinal obstruction.

If you need to take more than one coffee enema per day balance your electrolytes with fresh juices (organic) carrot alternating with mixes green. Attempt to balance at the ratio of two juices to one enema. Gerson therapy includes 13 8 oz cups per day, 1 orange, 8 carrot, 4 green.

Another way to prepare your coffee is to use the enema bucket, place 2-3 inches of distilled water in the bucket. Take a large funnel, place a disposable coffee filter in the funnel. Place your coffee grounds in the filter, boil about 12 ounces (cup and 1/2) slowly pour the water over the grounds. After the water is poured through the grounds remove the filter and funnel and dispose the grounds and filter. Add the needed water to fill your bucket and enjoy. This method takes less time than the original instructions.
Coffee Enema Recipe (enematips.com)
http://www.enematips.com/cofenrec.html

Instant relief from toxic discomfort
http://www.road-to-health.com/am/publish/article_15.shtml

Enemas
http://www.ability.org.uk/enemas.html

Instant relief from toxic discomfort
http://www.road-to-health.com/am/publish/article_15.shtml

Coffee Enemas~annieappleseedproject
http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/coffeeenemas.html

Q Experience - Detoxification - Immune System Builders - Clustered Water
http://www.innerfocus.net/coffee.htm

Hawaii Gerson Therapy Retreat for cancer patients - Mind Your Body - Dr. Baylac    http://www.gersonhawaii.us/gersonarticle5.html

The Coffee Enema
http://www.herbtime.com/InformationPages/CoffeeEnema.htm

Open Directory - Health: Alternative: Fasting and Cleansing: Enemas
http://dmoz.org/Health/Alternative/Fasting_and_Cleansing/Enemas/

Articles - Hawaii Gerson Therapy Retreat for cancer patients - Mind Your Body -     http://www.gersonhawaii.us/articles.html

Article: COFFEE ENEMAS IN GERSON THERAPY - Hawaii Gerson http://www.gersonhawaii.us/gersonarticle5.html

Detoxification
http://www.geocities.com/~vera_b/alts/detox.html

Coffee Enema (INeedCoffee.com)
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/

Coffee Enemas Slow Pancreatic Cancer
http://www.rense.com/health3/pancre.htm

Health Problems - Coffee Enema
http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/health_coffee_enema.html

Coffee Enemas, more effective using Wilson's therapy coffee
http://www.sawilsons.com/

eMJA: Ernst, A primer of complementary and alternative medicine commonly used b     http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/174_02_150101/ernst/ernst.html

Coffee Enemas~annieappleseedproject
http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/coffeeenemas.html

Hawaii Gerson Therapy Retreat for cancer patients - Mind Your Body - Dr. Baylac      http://www.gersonhawaii.us/gersonarticle5.html

Articles - Hawaii Gerson Therapy Retreat for cancer patients - Mind Your Body -        http://www.gersonhawaii.us/articles.html

Coffee Enemas, more effective using Wilson's therapy coffee
http://www.sawilsons.com/

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#4879 From: "hobokinite2004" <michaelbstark@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 5:06 am
Subject: Re: Selling my hyperbaric unit hobokinite2004
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--Hi,

Not everything w rks for everybody and I guess the hbot didn't do much
for me.  As I have a very bad case of Babesia and Candida, this might
have worsened them.  I believe it should work, it just didn't for me.

- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "giardiagal" <ajl777@h...> wrote:
> Just curious Mike, why are you selling it? did it not really work for
> you? thanks.
>
> GG
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "hobokinite2004"
> <michaelbstark@h...> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > I am selling my hyperbaric unit.  If anyone is down south, I can
drive
> > it over.  If you know anyone looking for one, please send them my
way.
> > Send me a private email so we don't take up sapce on the board.
> > Thanks, blessings,  Mike

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#4878 From: "naomi1lh" <naomi1@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 4:34 am
Subject: Yay...objective verifiable evidence naomi1lh
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I no longer have one leg shorter than the other.  For years I have
been told by chiropractors that this is common, that most people are
born with one leg shorter than the other, and it's nothing to worry
about.  I was sure that was baloney the first time I heard it, but I
didn't know why it had happened or what could be done about it. They
would do an adjustment and legs would be even, but my body wouldn't
maintain the adjustment.  Now, without adjustments, my legs have
evened out, and it's been holding for several weeks.
So here's "Naomi's theory of the day" in highfalutin scientific
language...."Gradually the toxic crap collects, hardens, and pulls
the structure all catawampus and over the years develops like a kind
of creeping rigor mortis. Mechanical adjustments can make the
change, but they won't hold until the toxic crap is cleaned out, and
it won't get cleaned out until the critters that are making it get
good and dead."
Moral of story....when adjustments don't hold, don't return to
support the Dr in the style to which he has become accustomed. Go
home and take salt/c.

Corrections? Additions?

Naomi

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#4877 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 3:30 am
Subject: Re: Re: FAQ's firefox8808
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Hi Jill,

2) Marc, re:
Because:
1. do the math, the bugs have had months to years of nearly unabated replication. There are literally billions of them. And they have differences, just like humans, of some being stronger, hardier, some being weaker. And they are proliferated in tissue, muscle, to very entrenched, difficult areas (brain, spinal fluid, nerve cells, bone marrow, etc.). And they continue to try and replicate (and survive) even through the treatment. So, the S/C incrementally kills off numbers of them, and thus it is a steady "peeling of the onion", layer by layer, until even the hardiest, entrenched ones are impacted (typically the last being those in the head and nerve glia cells). 2. You would not want to have a mass killing all at once. Folks who go through rough herxes even on starting, minimal doses will tell you this. It is quite likely, if they could all be hit, the billions of them, it would be life-threatening and a person literally could die from the intense herx/overwhelm of the system and organs.
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This makes sense except for a few people's experience with ICHT (ROn Balll, Kathy Boss, and Rosanne). I know you know Rosanne--the gal is completely fine. After 17 years of slyme agony and more antimalarials and antibiotics than you can acount, a few weeks of ICHT with IV doxy, and it was just gone. But, it can be killed all at once even if there are huge #'s (i.e. in a few weeks). I think its the hyperthermia plus abx--the hyperthermia gets them or totally degrades and weakens them. I know Brian had a
relapse but then, Rosanne says he chose the wrong antibiotic at the time, one not recommended (was it rocephin? I don't know).

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Not true. Especially, the underlined.
Roseanne and I are good pals. Before I went to Italy, and she visited me regularly when I was there, and we stayed in touch after. She referred many people to me regarding Lyme afterward. Roseanne is essentially the only one to hit holding, unrelapsing state as regards Lyme via ICHT. And I believe that's because she did an extraordinarily aggressive abx program for years before going (she says due to what she called "having a cast iron stomach") which I think few others could have endured, amalgam replacement, other measures, etc. So, she was lucky in the treatment dove-tailing with likely being near to 'breaking the back' of the complex.
The proof being, others not following suit, even though doing the same tx there, and even those infected for far shorter periods.
And there was no "few weeks". The program started as one week, then exanded to two, and then not every day.
James Johnson, who originally relapsed after 150 HBOT txs, and who's detailed personal story of ICHT is the reason many others went, was at the Rife list this last year having declined again after the widely-reported "remission" in Italy. In his original account he indicated how he felt as though "he were dying" in terms of the herx. And like my friends, Kathy Boss, Tami and Chris, found while in Italy while I was there, the herxing was God-awful and involved clinical measures at times (via the I/Vs) to mitigate the intense herxing. But just Roseanne achieved actual remission through this day (knock on wood). Ron Ball has reported doing well, and the ICHT helped, however, he was still working on it via the Rife list and most recently the Marshall Protocol. Some of the folks relapsed quite severely (the ones who were there with me, Bryan too as you note). The ICHT was completely theoretical, experimental and, now in review, questionable in terms of the DHP-induced "hyperthermia"/abx approach.

Obviously some can't handle the herx--as you say--I remember Curley, almost went into a coma, and obviously that young doc died on day 2.

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Bingo. A couple others had very serious sides too. But note that carefully: the 28 yr old doctor died when undertaking the treatment. Young, and except for Lyme, appeared physically fine. A Russian Roulette in terms of no way of knowing beforehand who, or how, it could effect anyone, factually. I know only too well as I was contacted by law enforcement officials as he went there just one month after I left. No, more than one LLMD raised this to me as well as Doug McClain (inventor of the coil) when we spoke, in terms of his own experience and all the folks he's helped through the last decade or more - if all the microbes could be killed at once in a fully disseminated person, the resulting herx and endotoxin release could be life-threatening, especially for folks already systemically impacted by the complex (heart, liver, kidneys, etc.).

In any event, the "Scale-Up" gradient S/C is far superior and safer when done exactly as described, and acts in the body exactly as indicated per all my previous posts.

Marc

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#4876 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:00 am
Subject: Re: Panic attacks-living alone & herxing 7th week-full dose-12G firefox8808
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Hi Michael,

WHOULD LIKE TO HERE FROM ANY ONE DOING THE SALT-C PROTOCALL WHO IS
THEIR OWN SOLE SUPPORT SYSTEM-AND HOW THEY COPE WITH THE MENTAL
ROLLERCOASTER THAT IS PART OF THIS JOURNEY- WEEK 5 & 6 WERE TOTALLY
CRAZEY-HELP MICHAEL

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You've gotten some great tags back to your post.

Just to chime in:
1. A lot of us have been right where you are now. I especially relate to you, as when I piloted this, there wasn't anyone, not even the lymephotos folks to bounce off of, so it was totally solo -- and believe me, there were some very harrowing moments.

2. You aren't alone though. We are here with you 24/7. Feel free to post anytime.

3. The mental/neuro phenomena is all "artificial", as artificial as being injected with a borrelia endotoxin "drug". I was blessed at one point with having the Lyme completely, utterly knocked out for a period of time. I believe it was meant to be, for it gave a "fore-shadowing", that when the microbes are knocked out, everything comes right back to a degree that is startling.

4. You will feel anxiety, you will do the roller-coaster, you will feel like crap. However, in walking the "path out of the woods", when you find yourself walking right into the thicket of briars, know you are on the right path. The only way out, is through.

5. If its too stiff, you can back down the dose a little. Be sure to keep lots of minerals in (Concentrace liquids), lots of good pure water, good food, bath with Epsoms or Miracle II soap. Magnesium orotate can help sooth as well.

6. You can try a little St John's Wort herb as needed (not steady) to help pop the mood up a little.

Keep one foot in front of the other, and stay the course. The path leads "out of the woods" back "into the sun".

Onward & upward,

Marc

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#4875 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: Salt Not So Bad for You, Say Scientists firefox8808
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Thanks Kathleen,

Great report.

All the best,

Marc

At 08:38 PM 05/30/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Here's an encouraging report:
http://www.rense.com/general65/salt.htm
Kathleen

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#4874 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:14 am
Subject: Re: Salt/C and other infections firefox8808
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Hi Kristy,

Thanks for popping in to help Paul.

Hi Paul
I am in Darwin and I have tested positive to Mycoplasmas, Clamydia (non STD); Staph A and general bacterias. Lyme did not show up, although I have all the symptoms. Apparently Lyme Borrelia and mycoplasmas are similar organisms in that they are cell wall deficient and that they rely on particular saline levels in the body. They both invade the cells of your body and suck what life they have. They are both prone to osmotic shock from the raised saline from the salt & C protocol. They both create neurotoxins upon their death. This is very layman as I have no medical qualification - only my own experience.

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That is very good, Kristy. You've got it down.

I was very disabled before starting the salt and C with many neurological symptoms and killer fatigue. I have been on the salt and C with full support from my GP for going on 9 weeks now. Yesterday I am proud to say that I went for a bike ride for the first time since I don't know when! I was a little wonky by the time I got back but I'm up and about today to tell the story. I can't tell you how good it was to be out there with the wind blowing by me as I rode along!

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Yay!!!!!!
And how good to get the air, oxygen, sun, ions, exercise, circulation, etc. Awesome:-)

It's a very safe protocol from what I can gather, and I thank God it manifested in my life and is now giving me back what I thought was slipping straight through my fingers.
All the best
Kristy

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Well put:-)

Onward & upward!

Marc

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#4873 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:04 am
Subject: Re: Re: FAQ's firefox8808
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Hi Doris,

Marc: you did not answer what form of Vitamin C you used in your salt/C protocol and where you obtained. Nor does your advanced section. You explain the type of salt and sources - but no where did I find anything about the type or source for the 'C'. Please share with us just what Vitamin C you used and where you purchased it.
Thanks.
Doris

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As we note in earlier posts, and in the Advanced Section, the folks at lymephotos indicated that "any Vitamin C" will work, even inexpensive stuff from GNC. And that has been pretty much the case in all our trials to-date. The type of salt was seen is more crucial, as table salt would be extremely bad for this protocol, while some natural salts extremely good.

However, with more folks on this board participating, it is becoming apparent we may need to update the C portion as regards "ascorbic acid" versus natural vitamin C.

Ascorbic acid is only an intermediate form present in various fruits & plants. It requires co-factors to truly be utilized and be compatible in terms of the body's use. As noted in Cancer and Vitamin C, by Ewin Cameron and Dr. Linus Pauling.
"As a result of ingesting 10 grams of C (as ascorbic acid) a day, some of these healthy individuals developed heartburn, flatulence, nausea, and especially diarrhea, and were forced to withdraw from the experimental study".

A natural form of C with bioflavonoids is recommended over straight ascorbic acid. There was a time, back in the days of Dirk Pearson & Sandy Shaw and the "Life Extensions" craze, that "ascorbic acid IS vitamin C" and vice versa and the source or transporters made little difference. This has since been shown to be in error. Naturally-derived forms of C are better and having bioflavonoid transporters are extremely key - otherwise you simply have pricier urine and acidic stresses. Straight ascorbic can tend to bring your urine down to the acid level of 4-4.5 pH, which can irritate kidneys and bladder and cause, with its diuretic action, loss of some electrolytic and other minerals such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese and zinc.

I myself used a very inexpensive C from the VP Discount centers in CA, their own label called "VP Time-Released Super C-1000".
It only cost about 10.00 for a large bottle. It was chosen because of a great price with favorable ingredients:
1000mg of C from Rose Hips (Rosa canina) and complete Lemon Bioflavonoid complex.

However, if a person is looking for the "ultimate C", one that is neutral in form, yet extremely effective for virtually anyone, and cost isn't as much a matter, then Alcer's "Super Gram II" would be the item (same folks who make "Emergen-cee" powders). It is "C" made up as a myriad of mineral ascorbates, that are in the most ideal form in terms of supplying the body with highest quality, most assimilable, yet virtually "neutral", mineral form C there is. C expert, Jay Patrick, was right in there with Dr. Paulings as regards his ground-breaking work with C.

All the best,

Marc

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#4872 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: Update firefox8808
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Hi Hilary,

Just a quick update, to say this was the second cycle where I didn't have PMS, and this is the first spring in 7 years where I have not had debilitating depression (Lyme flare?).

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Yay!!!!!!!
That's wonderful:-)

I'm so grateful to Marc for starting this group, and to everyone here for your feed back and support. Thanks to those further on in the
protocol for sharing their ride so we know what to look forward to. I'm starting week 6 now. Week 5 was without major flare. I'm using the time and energy to get stuff done so that when the ride starts again I am reminded of the good times.
My heart goes out to those here who have had this disease more severely and for many more years. I've been keeping Lyme in check with colloidal silver since being treated with antibiotics five years ago - no idea what my actual bacterial count is, but at least they weren't terribly active most of the time. I may have had the disease though nigh on 30 years, just not actively, so we'll see how the ride goes when deeper levels are reached.
I'm having anxiety fits in my sleep; dreams where I wake up panting. Very interesting dreams, too. It's all for learning.
Hilary

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Very welcomed:-) And good call on the colloidal these past years. The anxiety/dreams are consistent with them getting hit in the hypothalamus area. It is indeed for learning.

Onward & upward!

Marc

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#4871 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:13 am
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Hey 35,

I think I am getting what I wished for.

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LOL!!!!

I have been on the Salt and C for about a week and a half now, no crazy herx, in matter of fact, I was sleeping very well and doing
better and better. Well, today I am noticing joint pain, tmj (cracking jaw), slightly inflamed spleen, 'toxic' feeling, more eyesight 'noise', nerve pain, and I am not in a good mood.
This was after a splendid week and a half!

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LOL! Yeah, this may be the only board in then world where members stands up and cheer when someone feels like crap (LOL!!!)
These symps are each very, very consistent with the protocol reaching in and starting to "hit them where they live".

I don't know if this is the start of it, but boy I hope it is.
Hang on tight, turbulence ahead!

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Yep. Keep them seatbelts handy.

Onward & upward!

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#4870 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:15 am
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Hi Helen,

Dear Marc,
Do I absolutely have to take all the supplements you recommend? Money is extremely tight for us.

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In an ideal world, yeah. As each is designed to hit from a certain "angle" and support the immune/body in the process of knocking the buggers out. And intentionally chosen to "limit" the tons of supps most Lymies end up with to just a "core" group that gives the most "bang for the buck".
HOWEVER, that being said. Just do what you can.
In order of priority, the salt & C, of course. Then I would recommend getting a good quality spirulina. For it is literally like taking 15-18 separate supplements in one, complete, whole food, bio-available form (practically "melts" right into the cells).

Then, a slight departure here, I would consider the Homozon Bernadette often spoke of. Much of the "difficulty" and labor your dealing with is consistent with the natural low-oxygen, low-pH (acidic), condition. For, not only are the microbes causing this constantly, but the meds/anti-biotics you are on are also acid-causing in their actions. The Homozon will begin to cleanse and detoxify the GI tract, but also will oxygnate and alkalize the body and cells. This (and the spirulina, along with the adrenal-boosting effect of the S/C), will bolster your healing energy even more. Don't be surprised if you begin to get "glimpses" of feelings of well-being here and there (and they will become more and more prevalent with time and processing).

The Concentrace minerals are highly recommended, as they can help by themselves to mitigate herxes. If you can't swing it though, take the spirulina liberally as it is loaded with minerals and enzymes. It and Homozon will help the minerals get absorbed better too.

Also, your heavy antibiotic history would almost guarantee yeast/fungus proliferation. Both the spirulina and Homozon will help toward that as well.

Secondly, the role of good nutrition/diet simply cannot be stressed enough. As an extreme example, instead of eating the usual American-type 75% meat/gravy, etc., and 10% over-cooked veggies, devoid of nearly all benefit, reverse this to - 75% minimum of fresh veggies (preferably raw, but at least lightly steamed with good RealSalt or other natural salt as seasoning), and only 10% of poultry or fish. And such a veggie-oriented diet is WAY cheaper than meat/dairy centered diets. And lots of good pure water. And if any veggie juices are possible, they are wonderful as near-instant, almost I/V-nutrients in terms of speed into the bloodstream.

It may not real just now, but a great part of the overall overwhelm is the toxic acidity from the infections and meds. So, if you can think in terms of alkalize, alkalize, as much as possible, it will help reverse things faster and easier.

I also wanted to ask you about my personal salt/C progress. I do not have a lot of "awake" time. So, today, I took 2 salt and 2 C and plan to get to 6 a day today from 4 a day. I seem to have some extra energy but this 2 year long fever is making me absolutely crazy. Dr B says he thinks it is bartonella.

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Yes, Bartonella can induce fever. That immediate energy from the S/C is very typically seen.

I just finished 2 weeks straight of gentamycin shots, 2/day and am on levaquin (been on it before) and 3 shots/week of bicillinLA (which I haven't been doing correctly since my butt is so sore from the gentamycin shots that I have "tennis balls" on each hip. I will resume bicillin shots asap. I am still on IV rocephin 4 grams/day 4 days a week. Stopped IV zithro after 5-6 months. Anyway, I am extremely discouraged about this fever-- everyday. It affects everything I do which is about nothing.

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Is there actual fever temperature, BTW? If so, what is the temp usually? Reason I ask is, some folks will have drenching sweats but when taking oral temp find it right around normal, which could point to Babesia.

Heel pain is also a major symptom of bartonella/ I have that big time. I have had nerve pain all these years---18 and am on 180mg oxycontin 3X/day and use oxycodone 30mg for breakthrough. Without it, I am suicidal. I see a terrific board certified pain management MD at Beth Israel NYC every 2 months. He is my 3rd or 4th one. Others relocated or I moved. This one isn't lyme literate too much but is a psychiatrist and a neurologist which is an added bonus since I am so screwed up neurologically. What are your thoughts about bartonella? I have everything else under the sun. Mycoplasmas, stealth viruses, babesiosis, erlichiosis, etc. I never had a fever this long before and I HATE it. I just drip trying to do the least little thing and love the warm weather but cannot stand the heat with fever. I need encouragement! THANKYOU for being there for us all. Also, I have gained tons of weight after being thin most of my life. Hate that too.
Love,
Helen (near Princeton NJ)

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The bad news and good news:
The bad news is: you're having this annoying, persistent fever reaction. The good news is, you're having this annoying, persistent fever reaction.

It IS actually good in this respect: some folks can't even muster an immune response, it is so beaten down and insufficient. The fact your body keeps trying to knock out the microbes with the chronic immune-fever response shows an immune trying to do its job. However, what you report is very consistent with a high microbial load to where you can't quite "turn the corner", and are always at the edge of "overwhelm". The heel pain is often associated with Bart, but also with mycoplasma.
The weight change is very, very consistent with Lyme, as the Bb effects the metabolism in such a way as to cause inordinate weight change. But do know it is just as "artificial" as the neuro effects. In other words, knock the load down, and these things right themselves spontaneously.
You have just started the S/C, and you are doing it right, just scaling up gradually. Because you are on so many antibiotics and meds, it must be done gradiently and methodically. And, you can't bang up too fast on it with all these other meds, as you can get into an even more uncomfortable place otherwise. The game plan will need to be, as you finish up on a series of an abx or med, then nudge the S/C up. The S/C can help more and more with the pain as it goes along too, not just by nuking the implicated microbes, but there is a type of analgesic effect folks note while doing it.
When you have had a chance to "wean" over more, then we will want to think about getting some quality colloidal silver somehow, as that will help replace the abx's, but moreso, hit also the "stealth" and other virii, other bacteria, parasites, protozoa, fungus, mold, etc.

Keep steady and persistent, and stay the course, Helen. It takes work, but it sure is worth it.
Keep us posted.

Onward & upward!

Marc

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#4869 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
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Hi Remo,

Welcome to the board - so good to have you here.
And thanks for the great note:-)

Onward & upward!

Marc

Thank you Chuck.
People like Marc, You and many others here create spaces of bright
light in dark cloudy areas.
God bless us all.
..in fact I think he did already, otherwise how could I find this
group?
At the end everything makes sence.
with love
Remo

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#4868 From: "giardiagal" <ajl777@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 3:18 am
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Just curious Mike, why are you selling it? did it not really work for
you? thanks.

GG

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> I am selling my hyperbaric unit.  If anyone is down south, I can drive
> it over.  If you know anyone looking for one, please send them my way.
> Send me a private email so we don't take up sapce on the board.
> Thanks, blessings,  Mike

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#4867 From: Angela Buchanan <aurora22565@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 2:58 am
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Okay, this is what I found so far...But, I can not be sure what kind of tobacco is in the Spirokette TOBACCO
(*Poison)

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I have never seen the Kroeger Spirokete so I looked it up. I'm prettey surprised to see tobacco in it. What's up with that? Can that actually be good for you? Do you know what it's supposed to do? --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Angela" <aurora22565@y...> wrote: > Hello, > I have been taking the Kroeger Sprio-kete for about a week now... I > am feeling pretty darn good... I went out to a party at a friends > and had a little too much fun... The next day, I got up and felt > fine... I should have felt terrible for the amount of Martini's I > put away.. > I have also been using a really good selenium.. And, I have been > doing the juice thing(thanks to Bernadette) > Well, I just wanted to report the fact I was really able to kick up > my heals the other night for the first time in a long time... > Going to another party tomorrow..I think I will stick to club > soda... LOL!! > I know the salt and c are the reason I am able to wear the lampshade > on a occasion....hahaha!! I am just so thrilled to have my life > back... > Any comments on the Spiro-kete... A friend of mine with lyme says > his symptoms go away when he smokes... but, smoking is really bad > for him.. DuH...So, now he takes the salt, c and the spiro-kete.. > Swears by the combo... So, I just thought I would share.. > Time for me to go rest up for tomorrow... I can believe I am > actually looking forward to socializing... I thought my days as a > social butterfly were gone.. Yippeee... > Take care, > angela > Ps.. My massage therapist says I am holding the work she has been > doing on me... I have been going to massage therapists for years > and not one of them has ever been able to see any results in my > shoulders, until now... My biggest problem is insomnia around the > full moon or my cycle... OH well, as long as I do not get the look > of a Yeti, I should not complain... But, I swear the moon has a > weird hold on my sleep cycles.. > Oh one more thing.. I have been putting Cayenne pepper in my shoes, > and in my socks at night... My feet are doing much better.. For the > first few days it was hell... Buzzing and tingling in my feet.. Man, > I thought I was going to go crazy...

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#4866 From: Angela Buchanan <aurora22565@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 2:50 am
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Hey,

No I do not know if it can be good for you... I just figured I would try it... I was hoping someone would know... I guess tobacco has been used for healing before... But, I am not sure...

Thanks,

Angela

grball628 <successfulhealing@...> wrote:

I have never seen the Kroeger Spirokete so I looked it up. I'm prettey surprised to see tobacco in it. What's up with that? Can that actually be good for you? Do you know what it's supposed to do? --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Angela" <aurora22565@y...> wrote: > Hello, > I have been taking the Kroeger Sprio-kete for about a week now... I > am feeling pretty darn good... I went out to a party at a friends > and had a little too much fun... The next day, I got up and felt > fine... I should have felt terrible for the amount of Martini's I > put away.. > I have also been using a really good selenium.. And, I have been > doing the juice thing(thanks to Bernadette) > Well, I just wanted to report the fact I was really able to kick up > my heals the other night for the first time in a long time... > Going to another party tomorrow..I think I will stick to club > soda... LOL!! > I know the salt and c are the reason I am able to wear the lampshade > on a occasion....hahaha!! I am just so thrilled to have my life > back... > Any comments on the Spiro-kete... A friend of mine with lyme says > his symptoms go away when he smokes... but, smoking is really bad > for him.. DuH...So, now he takes the salt, c and the spiro-kete.. > Swears by the combo... So, I just thought I would share.. > Time for me to go rest up for tomorrow... I can believe I am > actually looking forward to socializing... I thought my days as a > social butterfly were gone.. Yippeee... > Take care, > angela > Ps.. My massage therapist says I am holding the work she has been > doing on me... I have been going to massage therapists for years > and not one of them has ever been able to see any results in my > shoulders, until now... My biggest problem is insomnia around the > full moon or my cycle... OH well, as long as I do not get the look > of a Yeti, I should not complain... But, I swear the moon has a > weird hold on my sleep cycles.. > Oh one more thing.. I have been putting Cayenne pepper in my shoes, > and in my socks at night... My feet are doing much better.. For the > first few days it was hell... Buzzing and tingling in my feet.. Man, > I thought I was going to go crazy...

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#4865 From: "richp@..." <richp@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 2:49 am
Subject: My symptoms - do I have Lyme? philcr2004
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Hi Jason,

Well, from what you describe, yes you could have Lyme Disease (even
likely), but I'm sure there are other disease with these symptoms.

At the end of the day, my personal belief is that Salt/C will cure most of
these illnesses ... but even better, won't HURT you to do the protocol
anyway. If you get herxes and periods of feeling better, then stick with
it. Many people react instantly to the protocol (itchiness and bites all
over the body but mainly in the face) whilst some don't react for quite a
few days (week).

So, do yourself a favour. Start the Salt/C and arm your immune system with
a formidable weapon... and get ready for the ride of your life.

Regards,

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#4864 From: "grball628" <successfulhealing@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 2:44 am
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I have never seen the Kroeger Spirokete so I looked it up. I'm
prettey surprised to see tobacco in it. What's up with that? Can
that actually be good for you? Do you know what it's supposed to do?




--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Angela" <aurora22565@y...>
wrote:
> Hello,
> I have been taking the Kroeger Sprio-kete for about a week now...
I
> am feeling pretty darn good... I went out to a party at a friends
> and had a little too much fun... The next day, I got up and felt
> fine... I should have felt terrible for the amount of Martini's I
> put away..
> I have also been using a really good selenium.. And, I have been
> doing the juice thing(thanks to Bernadette)
> Well, I just wanted to report the fact I was really able to kick
up
> my heals the other night for the first time in a long time...
> Going to another party tomorrow..I think I will stick to club
> soda... LOL!!
> I know the salt and c are the reason I am able to wear the
lampshade
> on a occasion....hahaha!! I am just so thrilled to have my life
> back...
> Any comments on the Spiro-kete... A friend of mine with lyme says
> his symptoms go away when he smokes... but, smoking is really bad
> for him.. DuH...So, now he takes the salt, c and the spiro-kete..
> Swears by the combo... So, I just thought I would share..
> Time for me to go rest up for tomorrow... I can believe I am
> actually looking forward to socializing... I thought my days as a
> social butterfly were gone.. Yippeee...
> Take care,
> angela
> Ps.. My massage therapist says I am holding the work she has been
> doing on me... I have been going to  massage therapists for years
> and not one of them has ever been able to see any results in my
> shoulders, until now... My biggest problem is insomnia around the
> full moon or my cycle... OH well, as long as I do not get the look
> of a Yeti, I should not complain... But, I swear the moon has a
> weird hold on my sleep cycles..
> Oh one more thing.. I have been putting Cayenne pepper in my
shoes,
> and in my socks at night... My feet are doing much better.. For
the
> first few days it was hell... Buzzing and tingling in my feet..
Man,
> I thought I was going to go crazy...

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#4863 From: "Doris" <spinillo_d@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:23 am
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You can also buy organic coffee on the net just for coffee enemas.
Just do a search with google.

Doris


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> no the caffine causes the liver to release the toxins
> from the liver.
> start out using less coffee, work your way up,
> it can take several days of enemas to get things
> going.
> roger
>
> --- Kathleen Roberts <weerkhr@p...> wrote:
> > Hi, everyone. I'm new on the list. Here's a
> > question: for coffee enemas can one use decaf? Years
> > ago, last time I did a coffee enema, I felt the
> > caffeine jitters. Someone thought that might be a
> > leaky gut issue (but the gut's above the butt!). Not
> > sure I'd respond the same now, but what about decaf?
> > I'd definitely use Swiss water-processed decaf.
> >
> > Kathleen
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#4862 From: Mr Roger Morten <rmor67@...>
Date: Wed Jun 1, 2005 12:14 am
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no the caffine causes the liver to release the toxins
from the liver.
start out using less coffee, work your way up,
it can take several days of enemas to get things
going.
roger

--- Kathleen Roberts <weerkhr@...> wrote:
> Hi, everyone. I'm new on the list. Here's a
> question: for coffee enemas can one use decaf? Years
> ago, last time I did a coffee enema, I felt the
> caffeine jitters. Someone thought that might be a
> leaky gut issue (but the gut's above the butt!). Not
> sure I'd respond the same now, but what about decaf?
> I'd definitely use Swiss water-processed decaf.
>
> Kathleen

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#4861 From: "Clare McConville-Harris" <mc@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Information please theclaremcha...
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Hi Marion.... I remember you from the recup site.

I cannot for the life of me understand why some darling people have problems with the recup salts...... it is a puzzle and I am sorry you are one of the people this made worse.

I am using saline recup with vitamin C Complex...... no miracle cure as yet but I keep on seeking....... I do know I was wore when I stopped recup for a short while.

Hope some on here have answers for you.

Cheer's Clare in Tassie

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#4860 From: "Marion Tait" <mariontait@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 10:23 pm
Subject: RE: Information please duckend2002
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I am new to this group and culd anyone give me some info on the salt/c and
lymes.

I live in the Uk, is it likely I have this without having ever been bitten
by a tick. Is there a test in the uk.

Where should you get the right salt from.

I have CFS/fibro with really bad gut problems, getting worse and bedridden
after 10 years of llness with all the usual symtoms, have tried the Blasi
salts but they made me so ill, as have evrything else have tried.

Sorry if all these questions have been asked before but cannot find this
info on the other sites.

can anyone in the UK give me some advice.

marion

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#4859 From: "Kathleen Roberts" <weerkhr@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 9:21 pm
Subject: Decaf Enemas rinkies2000
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Hi, everyone. I'm new on the list. Here's a question: for coffee enemas can one use decaf? Years ago, last time I did a coffee enema, I felt the caffeine jitters. Someone thought that might be a leaky gut issue (but the gut's above the butt!). Not sure I'd respond the same now, but what about decaf? I'd definitely use Swiss water-processed decaf.

Kathleen

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#4858 From: "Wallace Kingston" <wpswallace@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:54 pm
Subject: Re: Panic Attacks & Alone & Gratefull for all your feedback!!!!! wpswallace
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---Hi

About being "alone" I was going to say you are always with God.

But some kind of spiritual focus will help.

Sunny thoughts,

wallace


  In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "mlyons4884" <mlyons4884@y...>
wrote:
> The mental symptoms of my Herxing are amplified by being alone-It is
> very helpfull to know and connect with other folks on the same path-
I
> REALIZE I can scale down on the dose, But Im reluctant and stubborn
> and this is good and bad, I find when I have a friend or house guest
> around I do much better-It helps take the focus of the symptoms.
> thanx   MICHAEL

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Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:47 pm
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#4856 From: Kavasthi@...
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: My symptoms - do I have Lyme? blitzen486
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Sounds like Lyme to me.

If you really want to know go to CVS and get yourself a $6.99 bottle of
salt tabs the Pharmacist will help you find them. No TABLE SALT it is
bad. Stop at GNC and get some Vitamin C either in 500mg or 1000 mg.
Stop at the Grocery and get some good distilled water or better yet get
a faucet purifier.

Oh I forgot at the store get stuff to make salads, and get some fish
and chicken. No Junk. Stop eating anything white that includes sugar.

Start with 1 gram of Salt and I gram of C. Taken together with a glass
of PURE water then followed with another glass of pure water.

Do this 1 time a day then the next day do it 2 times at 4-5 hour
intervals. Example 10 and 2. remember Drink LOTs of water.

Keep increasing your dose and see what happens. SLOWLY increase your
dose. If you feel yucky or your symptoms increase don't increase you
dose.

I predict you will feel good for a few days maybe even a week. You will
sleep Blissfully and get a boost in energy.

But then............

You will enter the twilight zone of Anxiety, Dread, Panic, and despair.

You will feel Horrible any symptoms you have will get worse and you
will get other new symptoms you never dreamed you could have.

This is herxing:) The herxes will cycle lasting from days to weeks,
From bouts of yuckiness to feeling better.

This is what you will get if you have Lyme and this is what you will
have to do -Herx- to get better.

Some of us wish we could heal from lyme by not experiencing this
horrendous torture but the Reality is YOU WILL FEEL WORSE BEFORE YOU
GET BETTER:(

Keep eating good give yourself a coffee enema if things get bad. Post
the group for your updates in progress and if you need support. Read
the book Adrift for how to deal with the Mental stuff.

You will be feeling better in No Time LOL - Well it will take time .The
key is to not give up which is what I feel like doing every other day:(

Thanks

Kellie

P.S.
Don't Panic if you see worms exiting your skin they are fleeing their
painful death. They don't like the salt:)

P.S.S.

I hope you like Roller Coasters Hang on. I try to put my hands up on
the big hills but, my fingers won't let go of the lap bar:)

-----Original Message-----
From: ..::( Jason )::.. <ombass@...>
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:48:37 -0700
Subject: [lymestrategies] My symptoms - do I have Lyme?

Greetings...
New to the group, but I have posted a bunch of other forums and a lot of
people have suggested that I may have Lyme. Can you guys help me here?

The closest thing I can come to is either Fibromyalgia / Chronic
Fatigue, or
Myofascial Pain Syndrome, Candida, and ??? Seems like I may have a lot
of
different things going on, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY BODY JUST WONT
**HEAL** LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO!!!! :-(

Overall it seems as if my immune system is essentially just not
functioning.
My body should have healed by now. I am only 30. It feels like something
SYSTEMIC is sapping my energy and hampering my immune system... BUT
WHAT IS
IT!?!?!?!?!?

Here's what is going on with me:

MUSCLE PAIN / WEAKNESS:
My muscles hurt when I use them, specifically my shoulders, neck and
arms.
And I am talking about light use - like reading some magazines or
driving
for 30 min. I was in some fairly severe rear-ending car accidents in my
earlier years, so theoretically this could be causing some of my muscle
pain/weakness all these years later? Myofascial Pain Syndrome?
Fibromyalgia?

ENERGY:
My energy levels are also at an all time low - it is as if my "chi" or
life
force is just COMPLETELY DRAINED. Hard to describe, but my "life energy"
feels like it is not even there at all. No excitement, no happiness, no
creative drive, no ANYTHING. I feel like a walking husk, like
everything has
just gone flat line. Is this what Chronic Fatigue feels like?

ANXIETY:
I have a LOT of anxiety that appears to come from a biochemical /
biological
level. In other words, I don't get all worked up about something and
thus
experience anxiety. Quite the opposite: it's a nice day, I am in a good
mood, yet I have twisting, nervous anxiety running through my system.
Frustrating and hard to deal with to say the least.

LIBIDO:
My libido has never been so low in my life - it as if it is
non-existent.

BRAIN FOG:
When I eat sugars or alcohol, I get the dreaded brain fog that Candida
and
Fibromyalgia sufferers experience. This leads me to think that I have
Candida at a bare minimum.

DARK CIRCLES UNDER EYES:
These vary in intensity, but are always there to the point that people
often
comment with things like "wow, you look tired!" or "wow, you look
terrible!
Get some sleep!" etc etc etc. and it is not only very frustrating, but
also
very embarrassing and self-esteem sapping.

DEPRESSION
Deep, dark depression and an overall disinterest in life, hobbies,
friends,
etc. I feel like I am in a trance as the world passes me by.

WHEAT SENSITIVITY:
When I eat wheat (like the amount in an order of tempura shrimp), I get
upper extremity muscle pain, and very uncomfortable anxiety that almost
seems to come from a nervous system level. Hard to explain but it as if
someone is sticking a fork in my whole nervous system and just twisting.
Very uncomfortable, and usually is accompanied by stomach upset/nausea.

ALLERGIES / CHEMICAL SENSITIVITIES:
I am sensitive to many fragrances, detergents, etc so avoid all those,
but
also have problems with dust mites, diesel smoke, etc. If I eat food
that
was wrapped in certain types of Saran (PVC) wrap, I break out in hives.
This
was recently discovered to be a sensitivity to phthalates which are
chemicals put into some plastics to soften them. See
http://www.calisafe.org/_disc1/00000066.htm and
http://www.jobwerx.com/news/Archives/plastics_biz-id=947140_529.html for
more info on phthalates.


Thanks for reading!

_jason_
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#4855 From: "mlyons4884" <mlyons4884@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:35 pm
Subject: Panic Attacks & Alone & Gratefull for all your feedback!!!!! mlyons4884
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The mental symptoms of my Herxing are amplified by being alone-It is
very helpfull to know and connect with other folks on the same path-I
REALIZE I can scale down on the dose, But Im reluctant and stubborn
and this is good and bad, I find when I have a friend or house guest
around I do much better-It helps take the focus of the symptoms.
thanx   MICHAEL

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#4854 From: "thelymelight" <thelymelight@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 8:05 pm
Subject: Mercury toxicity and this protocol? thelymelight
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I was wondering if anyone else has mercury toxicity and is doing
chelation while on the salt/Vit c protocol?  If so how is that going
for you?

Lisa

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#4853 From: "Wallace Kingston" <wpswallace@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: Marc - The Exact Vitamin C used by LymePhoto People wpswallace
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Hi Doris,

I dont know whether this is a problem but but many of us here are
not taking Salt tablets(they are not available in 1g in the U.K).

Personally I feel the type of salt you are using is up to individual
choice and preference.

Is there enough proof to say salt tablets are best?  In my book we
really dont know the answer to that question yet.

Sure Nancy recovered on those but it did take her three years I
believe.

Interested to hear Marc's response as well.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Doris" <spinillo_d@y...>
wrote:
> Marc:  All I can find in LymePhotos is that the Vitamin C used was
a
> GNC brand.  What C is this exactly?  What type did you use on the
> Salt/C protocol?
>
> Also, I'm also confused as to the huge difference between the
Sodium
> Chloride Tablets recommended and the REAL salts that can also be
> used.  I just don't get it.  Aren't the Salt tablets just like
table
> salt, but without the additives?  These salt tablets don't contain
> the many other minerals found in the natural salts, do they?  So
how
> can one substitute the Hunza, Crystal, Real, or Hain salt for the
> laboratory produced salt tablets?  It seems to me that PURE sodium
> chloride tablets are vastly different than the natural salts that
God
> made. I re-checked your advanced section and the LymePhotos
section.
> I really think I should try the original and proved protocol using
> the salt tablets - but I've afraid the tablets will affect blood
> pressure much more that the natural salts.  However, have the
natural
> salts been proven as effective in this protocol as the salt
tablets?
> These tablets just seem to me to be a completely different entity
> than natural unrefined salt.
>
> If, indeed that salt tabs are the best and most proven way to go -
> can one grind them up and dissolve them in water and drink with
the
> vitamin C.  I don't think that my stomach would tolerate taking
the
> tablets and having them dissolve in my stomach.  It appears that
most
> of my herxing is stomach involved.  PLEASE ADVISE ME AND THE GROUP
> ABOUT THIS SALT VARIANT OF THE PROTOCOL AND THE INFORMATION OF THE
> EXACT VITAMIN C PRODUCT USED BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS PROTOCOL.
>
> Thank you for your reply......Doris

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#4852 From: "Doris" <spinillo_d@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: My symptoms - do I have Lyme? spinillo_d
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Gee, you could be decribing me, and probably most on in this group.

If you are NOT using any Aspartame (NutraSweet or Equal) or any diet
products (which contain aspartame) - then you are a PRIME candidate
for Lyme.  There are MANY symptom overlaps with:  Systemic Candida,
Mercury Toxicity, Aspartame Toxicity, FMS/CFS, Sjogren's Syndrome,
MS, ALS, and Lyme - from all that I've been reading on the net.
Aspartame abuse (overuse) can hypersensitize one to become overly
sensitive to many other things, especially Splenda, sacchrin, and
MSG.  Also, Aspartame can cause one to have systemic Candida and oral
Thrush, as well as make one susceptible to Lyme, mycoplasma, etc. -
God knows how many pathogens which are all ready lurking in our
bodies.  In other words, it can activate any bug (bacteria, virus,
etc.) laying dormant in your body to become non-dormant and
pathogenic!  This is just my non-professional and unlearned opinion.
I came to this conclusion from the many books I've ordered and read
recently and from many informative web sites.

Doris


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "..::( Jason )::.."
<ombass@m...> wrote:
> Greetings...
> New to the group, but I have posted a bunch of other forums and a
lot of
> people have suggested that I may have Lyme. Can you guys help me
here?
>
> The closest thing I can come to is either Fibromyalgia / Chronic
Fatigue, or
> Myofascial Pain Syndrome, Candida, and ???  Seems like I may have a
lot of
> different things going on, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY BODY JUST
WONT
> **HEAL** LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO!!!!  :-(
>
> Overall it seems as if my immune system is essentially just not
functioning.
> My body should have healed by now. I am only 30. It feels like
something
> SYSTEMIC is sapping my energy and hampering my immune system... BUT
WHAT IS
> IT!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Here's what is going on with me:
>
> MUSCLE PAIN / WEAKNESS:
> My muscles hurt when I use them, specifically my shoulders, neck
and arms.
> And I am talking about light use - like reading some magazines or
driving
> for 30 min.  I was in some fairly severe rear-ending car accidents
in my
> earlier years, so theoretically this could be causing some of my
muscle
> pain/weakness all these years later?  Myofascial Pain Syndrome?
> Fibromyalgia?
>
> ENERGY:
> My energy levels are also at an all time low - it is as if my "chi"
or life
> force is just COMPLETELY DRAINED. Hard to describe, but my "life
energy"
> feels like it is not even there at all. No excitement, no
happiness, no
> creative drive, no ANYTHING. I feel like a walking husk, like
everything has
> just gone flat line. Is this what Chronic Fatigue feels like?
>
> ANXIETY:
> I have a LOT of anxiety that appears to come from a biochemical /
biological
> level. In other words, I don't get all worked up about something
and thus
> experience anxiety. Quite the opposite: it's a nice day, I am in a
good
> mood, yet I have twisting, nervous anxiety running through my
system.
> Frustrating and hard to deal with to say the least.
>
> LIBIDO:
> My libido has never been so low in my life - it as if it is non-
existent.
>
> BRAIN FOG:
> When I eat sugars or alcohol, I get the dreaded brain fog that
Candida and
> Fibromyalgia sufferers experience. This leads me to think that I
have
> Candida at a bare minimum.
>
> DARK CIRCLES UNDER EYES:
> These vary in intensity, but are always there to the point that
people often
> comment with things like "wow, you look tired!" or "wow, you look
terrible!
> Get some sleep!" etc etc etc. and it is not only very frustrating,
but also
> very embarrassing and self-esteem sapping.
>
> DEPRESSION
> Deep, dark depression and an overall disinterest in life, hobbies,
friends,
> etc. I feel like I am in a trance as the world passes me by.
>
> WHEAT SENSITIVITY:
> When I eat wheat (like the amount in an order of tempura shrimp), I
get
> upper extremity muscle pain, and very uncomfortable anxiety that
almost
> seems to come from a nervous system level. Hard to explain but it
as if
> someone is sticking a fork in my whole nervous system and just
twisting.
> Very uncomfortable, and usually is accompanied by stomach
upset/nausea.
>
> ALLERGIES / CHEMICAL SENSITIVITIES:
> I am sensitive to many fragrances, detergents, etc so avoid all
those, but
> also have problems with dust mites, diesel smoke, etc. If I eat
food that
> was wrapped in certain types of Saran (PVC) wrap, I break out in
hives. This
> was recently discovered to be a sensitivity to phthalates which are
> chemicals put into some plastics to soften them. See
> http://www.calisafe.org/_disc1/00000066.htm and
> http://www.jobwerx.com/news/Archives/plastics_biz-
id=947140_529.html for
> more info on phthalates.
>
>
> Thanks for reading!
>
> _jason_
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