Hi Dana,

Do you take it internally? If so, how much and how (in capsules, etc.)?

Avril



--- Dana Black <danablack@...> wrote:

> Hi Mistral-
>
> I get the FG clay at Mountain Rose Herbs in Oregon
> http://www.mountainroseherbs.com <http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/> . They
> have really good quality stuff and very good service. The package says it's
> for cosmetic use, but it's the same stuff as what is taken internally.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dana B
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of squireofyore
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:11 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: OT- Heavy Metals & Chelation 101
> questions(another product)
>
>
>
> Yea the price is steep... :-( Can you let me know where you get your
> french clay? Would like to give that a shot sometime!
> ___
>
>


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Thanks angel! All these sites will keep me busy reading. I'm also
going to start some B12 shots next week, since I am really low in
this. Just even the oral spray is giving me lots more energy after I
take it.

Jnanda



--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, LymeAngl@... wrote:
>
>
> Hello  jnanda@...,
> In reference to your  comment:
>
>
> I have had a long standing case of Lymes  and other issues - so my
> depletion of certain minerals is going to be  different than other
> peoples, plus I don't have much of a food variety  going on YET.
> Dietary intake certainly plays into the supplement picture.
>
> I do take a multi mineral and trace mineral, so I know I am
getting
> all the basics in, and not JUST taking large amounts of magnesium
> with  nothing else to balance it. This would not be wise. And, I
do
> supplement  with some individual amino acids, so I am also being
sure
> I supplement  with food or a complete amino acid supplement - so
as
> not to throw off  that balance as well.
>
> LOL -  really!
> Jnanda
>
> *********That was why darkfield microscopy is so wonderful....I
was lucky
> that the doctor who read mine was also educated in
vitamin/herbals.  What I
> took each month depended on what my darkfield microscopy read.
EVERY month  it
> changed.....some things stayed the same, but for the most part
things
> changed.....
>
> *********Here are some good web sites with knowledge and power.
I  don't pay
> attention to their products, but the information all say about
the  same
> thing...
>
> _Calcium - Elson M.  Haas M.D. - HealthWorld Online_
> (http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2019)
> _http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2019_
> (http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2019)
>
> _Calcium & Magnesium:  Requirements, health benefits,
interactions_
> (http://www.acu-cell.com/acn.html)
> _http://www.acu-cell.com/acn.html_ (http://www.acu-
cell.com/acn.html)
>
> _Ca and Mg_ (http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm)
> _http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm_
> (http://www.ithyroid.com/ca_and_mg.htm)
>
> _eMedicine - Vitamin  B-12 Associated Neurological Diseases :
Article by Alan
> L_ (http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic439.htm)
> _http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic439.htm_
> (http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic439.htm)
>
> _LEC  Natural Healing Solutions | Magnesium Supplementation_
> (http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index.php?
Q1=Products&Q2=Magnesium)
> _http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index.php?
Q1=Products&Q2=Magnesium_
> (http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index.php?
Q1=Products&Q2=Magnesium)
>
> _Osteoporosis:  Calcium and Magnesium_
>
(http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article1080.html)
> _http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article1080.html_
> (http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article1080.html)
>
> _8Bestsites  for Calcium Magnesium Ratio_
> (http://206.188.31.195/web/Calcium-Magnesium-Ratio/36/)
> _http://206.188.31.195/web/Calcium-Magnesium-Ratio/36/_
> (http://206.188.31.195/web/Calcium-Magnesium-Ratio/36/)
>

Kurt -

I really like what I've read on Modifilan. Thanks for the info. You
asked about why I didn't work with EDTA. I had a reaction to it, and
later found out sometimes it's not recommended for persons with
chemical sensitivities. I don't have any further info than that. Maybe
it's because it is an artificial amino acid. But I couldn't take it.

Jnanda

Been moving and just got back on line I hope your all are well. I was
wearing rubber gloves 2 days ago and had a deer sed tick in betten my
fingers all day before I found it. I am coursed. I just cant keep from
getting them I even had 0ff on my hands. I have been acting like I am
nomal and eating all the wrong thing working 13 hour a day. So I am
pettery sick. I thought I could guite neigteen, get a devorce, work for
famly, make a junk house livable, move, drink beer, and  have lymes all
at the same time. O well!! Now That I got this conputer back on I will
try to get back to group and on the right path. At lest till the bill
come. So If I disaper you will know I did not pay my bill !! Healing To
all And I will try to read somes post tomorrow, I miss you all!
Jeff

Is anybody using Immunocidin by Premmier Research Labs? Could you
please tell me what dose you are using and when you are taking it.
TIA
Marcia

Hey Dana

Yea I have used cilantro on and off for years as I think it works
really well (I hear reports from time to time that cilantro absorbs
heavy metals from the soil which keeps me from using it all the time)
but I use it about 20 minutes after taking something like chlorella
because 1) I don't want it to asborb possible metals in chlorella and
then 2) to have the chlorella ready to absorb metals that cilantro
released.

Dr K recommends this method and the few times I have taken chlorella
and cilantro together, it does not seem to work right (ie I get fog
and pain).

I am actually giving PCA-RX a try soon as soon as it comes!!

m
--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Dana Black" <danablack@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Minstral-
>
> Cilantro mobilizes mercury, so if you take it alone you can cause some
> serious problems. However, if you take it along with other
substances that
> chelate and remove toxic metals, I think it's OK. Another chelation
product
> that's OK to be taken while amalgams are still in place is NCD (Natural
> Cellular Defense). I'm not sure about PCA-RX.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dana B
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of squireofyore
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:18 AM
>
> The only product that seemed to be a problem that is in there is
> cilantro. Perhaps I am wrong or have misread but over the years I have
> read a lot that you should not take cilantro when you have metal in
> your mouth..
>
> Again I am not expert but that is what I come across a lot.
> ._,___
>

Ballady, I had this mostly every time after I ate, and was finally
diagnosed with celiac disease. Since going on a gluten free diet, I no
longer have that problem, even though I do still have other digestive
problems, which I attribute to Lyme. Mary V

> On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:25 PM, ballady4 wrote:
>
> > Sorry to drone on and on about this but I'm really worried about
this
> > constant, severe, completely liquid (sorry to be gross)diarrhea.
> >
> > Ballady
> >
> >
> >
>

Mt Rose Herbs says not to use the Fr Gr Clay internally.  Below is
their response to my inquiry. I've used bentonite as they recommend,
but I know some feel they are getting better results using the FR Gr
Clay. Now I don't know how to think about this.
Any ideas?
Naomi

"Thank you for your interest in the products offered by Mountain
Rose Herbs.  The French Green Clay that we sell is NOT intended for
internal use.  This clay was not manufactured for internal use, and
should only be used externally.  There are other clays that can be
taken internally, the main one being Bentonite clay.  However, you
always want to make sure that if you order a clay for internal use
that it was manufactured for that purpose.  That is, clays can be
manufactured to different grades, and only certain ones are suitable
for internal use.  I hope this helps to clarify things, and please
feel free to contact me again if you have any further questions or
concerns."

I think it's a herx.  I got back pain at the beginning as well.  It
hurt pretty badly but it did go away.  I have an electric massager
called a "Thumper" and used it on my back which helped a lot and
made me think it may have been a lymph issue so then I wound up with
a rebounder.  Can't say if the rebounder really helped but the
backaches haven't returned for quite a long time now.

So many things can cause back aches - spinal issues, GI, kidney,
bladder, all affected by lyme/detoxing.

Hope this helps!

- Renate

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Mallasani" <mallasani@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello All
>
> I started C/Salt 15days ago.
> I reached up to 3 doses, the same day i started the 3rd dose, i was
> kind of getting salt water out of my mouth so fast and also had
nausia
> feeling. so I went back to 2 doses per day.
> From yesterday i started having more back pain and all body pain
and i
> am tired.
> Is it a Herx reaction to the protocol or my lyme come back.
>
> Previously i was on abx for one year... as soon as i started
c/salt i
> stopped abx and i was doing well for about 12 days without abx.
>
> please advise what is happening and i should do.
>
> thanks
> Venkat
>

Dana -

Here here for mountain rose herbs. I order many things from them,
and they are wonderful. Really amazing quality control, customer
service and product line. I got my hot hot hot organic habanero
pepper powder from them, FYI - and some raw organic chocolate too.
They have the nibs and whole beans.

I'm feeling less herxy today, and rather chatty. Don't worry though,
leaving soon for the rest of the day - my posts will drop off.

Whew, the salt/c is working sooooooo well for me, and I'm so happy
to know I'm getting well. Yippeee!

Blessings,
Jnanda


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Dana Black" <danablack@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mistral-
>
> I get the FG clay at Mountain Rose Herbs in Oregon
> http://www.mountainroseherbs.com
<http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/> . They
> have really good quality stuff and very good service. The package
says it's
> for cosmetic use, but it's the same stuff as what is taken
internally.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dana B
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of squireofyore
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:11 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: OT- Heavy Metals & Chelation 101
> questions(another product)
>
>
>
> Yea the price is steep... :-( Can you let me know where you get
your
> french clay? Would like to give that a shot sometime!
> ___
>

There are differences of opinion among nutritionists on this cal/mag
issue. And, if you don't get enough magnesium, you won't be able to
absorb the calcium you are taking in, thus causing a shortage that
way. When I was tested for heavy metals, it also tested the good
minerals, so I have a general baseline idea for my body. I also go
on how I feel, what type of stress I might have recently been under,
since stress depletes magnesium in the body for sure. And, it comes
down to just making these decisions based upon individual need. I
don't think there is any golden formula out there that everyone can
follow in a situation of prolonged illness.

I have been able to develope the skill to self test for everything I
eat and take in the way of supplements - out of a necessity. Even my
doctors respect my intuitive abilities. This is the only way I can
ultimately decide on these matters for myself. Otherwise, everything
would be an educated guess - which in a highly allergic body, is not
enough insurance. So daily, I adjust everything as needed - because
the body has different needs all the time.

I have had a long standing case of Lymes and other issues - so my
depletion of certain minerals is going to be different than other
peoples, plus I don't have much of a food variety going on YET.
Dietary intake certainly plays into the supplement picture.

I do take a multi mineral and trace mineral, so I know I am getting
all the basics in, and not JUST taking large amounts of magnesium
with nothing else to balance it. This would not be wise. And, I do
supplement with some individual amino acids, so I am also being sure
I supplement with food or a complete amino acid supplement - so as
not to throw off that balance as well.

LOL - really!
Jnanda




In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, JimJax2@... wrote:
>
> Jnanada,
>
>   Roger has posted more mag than cal can tear up bones and teeth!
For
> sure I would like to avoid this.... Aren't you concerned about
this? I
> guess I am trying to find out what ratio we really need to stay
> healthy.... We do need extra mag because of Lyme, but do we also
take
> more calcium? Presently I am taking equal amounts of both, but I
> honestly don't know if this is correct!
>
>   I guess I don't want to make a big mistake with these ratios and
be
> sorry later...
>
>  Thanks,
>  Jim in Jax
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: jnandalampman <jnanda@...>
>  To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:02:23 -0000
>   Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: High Magnesium intake - David &
anyone
> else!
>
>  Jim in Jax -
>
>  I've read various things on the calc to mag ratio. Everything from
>  2:1, 1:1, and 1:2. After I realized how much magnesium I needed
and
>  why - (because of lyme apparently), now I am probably way high,
>  magnesium to calcium, and it's working. I have had quite a bit of
>  heart problems in the past, and now even with a significant lyme
>  flare up for the past four months plus herxing now - my heart is
>  doing really great, hardly a skip or flutter. I really credit that
>  to mostly taking a high dose of magnesium. I also started taking
>  magnesium orotate, and that has worked really well for me. I also
>  did Jernigan's Neuro Anti-tox Cardio formula, but they have
>  discontinued it. It was targeted at eliminating the lyme toxins in
>  the heart. Fortunately I have access to homeopathic/vibrational
>  remedies which are doing much the same, plus the mag. orotate.
>
>  So, another - do what works for you. And I know I have really
strong
>  bones and teeth fortunately, even though I have not had dairy,
>  sesame seeds or any common source of dietary calcium for a decade,
>  outside of broccoli - plus I do take a decent amount of Vit D.
>  daily, 4,000 in the winter and 2,000 IU in the summer.
>
>  Jnanda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________
___
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>

Susan,

Thanks. I'm definitely going to check this out.

Ballady

That just goes to show how much confusion is out there. I haven't
heard that excess magnesium is bad for you or that it erodes the teeth
etc. Carol B

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, JimJax2@... wrote:
>
> Jnanada,
>
>   Roger has posted more mag than cal can tear up bones and teeth! For
> sure I would like to avoid this.... Aren't you concerned about this? I
> guess I am trying to find out what ratio we really need to stay
> healthy.... We do need extra mag because of Lyme, but do we also take
> more calcium? Presently I am taking equal amounts of both, but I
> honestly don't know if this is correct!
>
>   I guess I don't want to make a big mistake with these ratios and be
> sorry later...
>
>  Thanks,
>  Jim in Jax
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: jnandalampman <jnanda@...>
>  To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:02:23 -0000
>   Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: High Magnesium intake - David & anyone
> else!
>
>  Jim in Jax -
>
>  I've read various things on the calc to mag ratio. Everything from
>  2:1, 1:1, and 1:2. After I realized how much magnesium I needed and
>  why - (because of lyme apparently), now I am probably way high,
>  magnesium to calcium, and it's working. I have had quite a bit of
>  heart problems in the past, and now even with a significant lyme
>  flare up for the past four months plus herxing now - my heart is
>  doing really great, hardly a skip or flutter. I really credit that
>  to mostly taking a high dose of magnesium. I also started taking
>  magnesium orotate, and that has worked really well for me. I also
>  did Jernigan's Neuro Anti-tox Cardio formula, but they have
>  discontinued it. It was targeted at eliminating the lyme toxins in
>  the heart. Fortunately I have access to homeopathic/vibrational
>  remedies which are doing much the same, plus the mag. orotate.
>
>  So, another - do what works for you. And I know I have really strong
>  bones and teeth fortunately, even though I have not had dairy,
>  sesame seeds or any common source of dietary calcium for a decade,
>  outside of broccoli - plus I do take a decent amount of Vit D.
>  daily, 4,000 in the winter and 2,000 IU in the summer.
>
>  Jnanda
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>

All sorts of clays, various oral chelation & foot patches failed to
work for me (all except for the on-site Dead Sea mud pool which is
dynamite). I have proof positive via Doctors Data tests. You can find
my detailed "clay expose" testimonial by searching eyton's earth yahoo
group.

Minni

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "squireofyore"
<squireofyore@...> wrote:
>
> Yea the price is steep... :-( Can you let me know where you get your
> french clay? Would like to give that a shot sometime!
>
> m

Yea the price is steep... :-( Can you let me know where you get your
french clay? Would like to give that a shot sometime!

m

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Dana Black" <danablack@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mistral-
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing about your trial of PCA-RX. It's not
in my
> budget at the moment, but it's still good to know how well it works for
> people. I have used NCD and I think it also works pretty well.
Unfortunately
> (being the "more is better Queen" :>) I took too much and it sent me
into a
> pretty big 2+ month herx. I've been afraid to use it again, but I
may try it
> again at a much lower dose. In the mean time, the French green clay is
> working pretty well (and it's *very* affordable). I forgot to take
it one
> day, and the next day (yesterday) I was exhausted. I took some
yesterday and
> feel quite a bit better today.
>
> Take care,
>
> Dana B
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of squireofyore
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:30 AM
>
> Yea I have used cilantro on and off for years as I think it works
> really well (I hear reports from time to time that cilantro absorbs
> heavy metals from the soil which keeps me from using it all the time)
> but I use it about 20 minutes after taking something like chlorella
> because 1) I don't want it to asborb possible metals in chlorella and
> then 2) to have the chlorella ready to absorb metals that cilantro
> released.
>
> Dr K recommends this method and the few times I have taken chlorella
> and cilantro together, it does not seem to work right (ie I get fog
> and pain).
>
> I am actually giving PCA-RX a try soon as soon as it comes!!
> _._,___
>

Jnanada,

   Roger has posted more mag than cal can tear up bones and teeth! For
sure I would like to avoid this.... Aren't you concerned about this? I
guess I am trying to find out what ratio we really need to stay
healthy.... We do need extra mag because of Lyme, but do we also take
more calcium? Presently I am taking equal amounts of both, but I
honestly don't know if this is correct!

   I guess I don't want to make a big mistake with these ratios and be
sorry later...

  Thanks,
  Jim in Jax


  -----Original Message-----
  From: jnandalampman <jnanda@...>
  To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:02:23 -0000
   Subject: [lymestrategies] Re: High Magnesium intake - David & anyone
else!

  Jim in Jax -

  I've read various things on the calc to mag ratio. Everything from
  2:1, 1:1, and 1:2. After I realized how much magnesium I needed and
  why - (because of lyme apparently), now I am probably way high,
  magnesium to calcium, and it's working. I have had quite a bit of
  heart problems in the past, and now even with a significant lyme
  flare up for the past four months plus herxing now - my heart is
  doing really great, hardly a skip or flutter. I really credit that
  to mostly taking a high dose of magnesium. I also started taking
  magnesium orotate, and that has worked really well for me. I also
  did Jernigan's Neuro Anti-tox Cardio formula, but they have
  discontinued it. It was targeted at eliminating the lyme toxins in
  the heart. Fortunately I have access to homeopathic/vibrational
  remedies which are doing much the same, plus the mag. orotate.

  So, another - do what works for you. And I know I have really strong
  bones and teeth fortunately, even though I have not had dairy,
  sesame seeds or any common source of dietary calcium for a decade,
  outside of broccoli - plus I do take a decent amount of Vit D.
  daily, 4,000 in the winter and 2,000 IU in the summer.

  Jnanda






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That's close. Dear Hubby. Once a number of years ago (after totally
crashing) I came bounding into the house from down town. I told my
daughter, "Gee! I feel pretty darn good today. I wonder what my temp
is?" Sure enough it was 98.6. Of course it didn't last. So I've always
equated normal temp with feeeling well. Maybe I'm wrong. The more I
learn the more I realize I don't know. LOL BTW, I was never tested for
lymes. I was given some chronic fatigue tests. I was positive for EBV
and Cytomegalovirus (past or present I dont' remember) but I wonder
how accurate those tests are. I also did a full chronic fatigue test
for things like mycoplasmas (about 6 tests listed by Garth Nicholson).
Supposedly they were ALL negative. I forgot to ask for the test
results. BUMMER! I belong to the hypo pit group and the moderator
wants me to get my aldosterone and renin tested (for addisons) but my
doctor won't do it. I don't think I have that anyways. I'd also love
to get my IGF-1 tested (growth hormone) but there again he won't do
it. I just heard of another doctor I might be interested in but he's
LONG distance from here so I'll have to think about it. Back to
Salt/C. When I first started I DEFINATELY had some reactions.
Stinging, biting, crawling etc etc. But once that died down I never
had any other reactions and that was last year sometime. I did get
real sick for a while but I wasn't sure it was the salt/c. I had gone
back on cod liver oil (a bottle that had been unopened in my frig for
a year) and I really think I reacted to it so I threw it out. Well,
I'm rambling again (I'm good at that LOL). Carol B

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@...> wrote:
>
> Carol,
>
> Good questions.  If the measure of success is feeling well, WS failed.
>  If you look at normal body temperature it did great.  Like you my
> ultimate marker of success is feeling well.  I think WS for me and
> thyroid is just a small part of the puzzle.  I really feel Salt/C is
> taking care of a much larger portion of my problems.  If I had know of
> the possibility of Lyme and the Salt/C protocol I would have done it
> before WS, since I have read that Lyme has affects on our endocrine
> system.  Oh well, hopefully doing the WS first will allow the Salt/C
> road to be easier.  For my wife the sucess marker of feeling well is
> much closer to being reached. For her though WS was a bumpy ride.  Her
> body is a quick compensator and as she increased dosage her temp.
> stayed constant or even dropped and then all of a sudden pop like a
> pressure cooker her body temp jumped to 99.2 and took a couple months
> to drop down to 98.6.  She did not like WS at all.  Now looking back
> she sees it helped tremendously.
>
> You vacation plans sounds like fun.  I agree with you regarding
> comedy.  I enjoy the old so much better than what we have on TV now.
>
> Here is a dumb question to a rather newbie regarding boards and posts
> and all, what does DH stand for?  I am guessing "Darling Husband".
>
> Broken to Serve,


> David J.
>
> The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back.
>
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks David. Out of curiosity (being I think to much LOL). How do you
> > know that the WS worked for you since you still have health
> > challanges? Just curious. DH and I are going away in August w/o kids.
> > First time ever except to a business function. Our oldest is 32 and
> > still lives at home and our youngest is 26. I'm really hoping I feel
> > well then. It's been a hard past month. DH is going to teach me to
> > shoot a 22 rifle (that he got me for my birthday) and with my
> > fibromyalgia I don't know how I'll do. We are also going to visit some
> > ghost towns in Nevada (which is where we are going). I've been reading
> > on the comedy. I love Clem Kadidlehopper, Freddy the Freeloader and
> > all the others they mentioned. Those were the Good Old Days. LOL
> > Thanks much, Carol B
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Carol,
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing.  In the past I would have said that I understand
> > > what you are going through, but in truth all I can say is that I
feel
> > > for you since I too have gone through health challenges and each of
> > > ours has its own differences and frustrations.
> > >
> > > I myself do not know with certainty that I have Lyme.  My Igenex WB
> > > IgM tho negative shows 2 bands and 1 IND.  Like you it has been a
> > > process of trying to find the cause of my problems.  I was initially
> > > hopeful that the WS was it and at times on it and after it I was
> > > feeling very good (but they were quite brief).  I started the Salt/C
> > > out of both God's divine direction and desperation as my health had
> > > really plummeted this winter.  Salt/C is showing great hope for
me.  I
> > > do not know if it is just because it is addressing some of my other
> > > problems (digestion, adrenal etc.) or not, but I have always thought
> > > that I was dealing with some type of chronic infection.  Unlike
you I
> > > was very healthy as a youngster.  My problems started at around 10
> > > years of age and have worsened with time to where now I am no longer
> > > working on a regular basis (I am hopeful that will change).  My
health
> > > battle has been around 30 years.  I think all of us on this board
> > > knows some of the frustration with doctors.  I applaud your
> > > perseverance, it is not easy.  You have a lot more than the average
> > > person and myself.  I am just starting to educate myself concerning
> > > health and it is a daunting task.  I was the type that just
ignored my
> > > problems and pushed on the best I could as doctors did not find the
> > > problem and I did not make the time to pursue it.
> > >
> > > Regarding thyroid, I do not know if WS will help you or not.  For me
> > > there were indicators that it was working in that I did not
require as
> > > high a dose on subsequent cycles so my doctor kept on pursuing.
  Your
> > > comment that if WS works Armour should also work makes sense.
For me I
> > > did much better with WS treatment.  It may have been that my dosage
> > > while on Armour was too low. If you want to post my wife's and my
> > > success on that board feel free.  I will try and remember to ask and
> > > verify with my ND her result rates.
> > >
> > > Is Salt/C helping you some?  Do not loose hope.  Keep up the
battle.
> > > I think the Greek doctors had it more right than we do now in that
> > > health involves body, mind, and spirit.  Take some time out for
> > > something you enjoy.  Some of the recent post have been on
commedy and
> > > laughter which I think is very important.
> > >
> > >
> > > Broken to Serve,
> > > David J.
> > >
> > > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks David. I don't even know if I have lymes or not. I came
here
> > > > from the frequent dose chelation group thanks to Jess. I knew
I had
> > > > adrenal fatigue and that Salt/C was good for that so I figured
I had
> > > > nothing to lose. Plus I didn't know if I had any parasites or not.
> > > > Basically, my problems began at birth and progessed. I was 57
a few
> > > > weeks ago, virtually have no life (I push myself to do
> everything) and
> > > > I'm still searching. According to Top Docs who think outside the
> box,
> > > > I have a thyroid problem based on testing, below normal temp,
> symptoms
> > > > and delayed reflexes. But the medication does virtually
nothing for
> > > > me. FRUSTRATING to say the least. I'm SO SICK of doctors. We don't
> > > > have any ND's in Calif that can prescribe meds. Chris from my
> hypo pit
> > > > group keeps pushing osteopaths. I've been to two of them and
> they were
> > > > both JERKS. My current doctor whom I've had for 6&1/2 years is the
> > > > best thing around. He was the first one (second actually) to
really
> > > > believe in me and order the right tests (at least some of
them). He
> > > > has run out of ideas, is still lacking in knoweldge in many
> areas and
> > > > refuses to do the testing I ask because he thinks I'm using him
> and he
> > > > doesn't like that. I guess I don't blame him but now I'm
STUCK. If I
> > > > went back to WS (and you're the first one to really speak
highly of
> > > > it) I would need someone to prescribe the SRT3. Oh well, I'm not
> sure
> > > > it would work. I mean, if SRT3 would work, then Armour should
> work. Or
> > > > so thinks everyone on my thyroid group. Thanks again. Maybe I
should
> > > > forward your posts there, or at least let them know that
SOMEONE got
> > > > well doing his protacol. :-)Carol B
> > > >
> > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Carol,
> > > > >
> > > > > With 3 cycles nothing much was happening with me either.  For
> me it
> > > > > just took a long time and somewhere around 7 or 8 cycles and
> > around 13
> > > > > months.  My ND also uses 3.75 microgram step increases of
ST3 when
> > > > > needed instead of just the 7.5 microgram steps and going
down many
> > > > > times she would have me go very very slowly.  I think it may
work
> > > > > easier with guys in that our bodies do not have to deal with
> monthly
> > > > > hormonal changes.  Also, I believe I remember my ND saying
> that for
> > > > > women she sometimes has to address other issues first or
possibly
> > > > > concurrently.  I can't remember but I guessing things like
> adrenal,
> > > > > progesterone etc.  All I know is she had a pretty good track
> > record of
> > > > > helping people using the protocol.  I do not remember her
> > success rate
> > > > > and will have to ask her again, but I think of those she put
> on the
> > > > > program over half were able to be off all thyroid meds,
around 40%
> > > > > were able to reduce the dosage of thyroid and the remaining 20%
> > had no
> > > > > success.  Also, I do not think she suggested the program to all
> > of her
> > > > > thyroid patients.  It was based more on her diagnosis and test
> > > > > results.  As an ND she also would use adjuncts along with the
> > protocol
> > > > > where she thought necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish you the best in your pursuit and I wish you were
> dealing with
> > > > > my ND on this issue.  I like my ND very much I just wish she was
> > more
> > > > > familiar with Lyme.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > > David J.
> > > > >
> > > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward and 2 steps back
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read both of his books. I even talked to him on his forum
> > which no
> > > > > > longer exists. 99%  on my thyroid group DON'T believe in his
> > > protacol.
> > > > > > However, you can't knock something that worked and it
worked for
> > > both
> > > > > > of you. YEA!!! I did 3 cycles exactly like his book said to
> > and they
> > > > > > talked about on the group. The doctor I went to told me it
> > wouldn't
> > > > > > work. He was convinced that ALL my problems from birth were
> do to
> > > > > > MULTIPLE food allergies (all foods). I thought he was nuts and
> > > found a
> > > > > > new doctor (whom I've since given up on). Thanks for sharing.
> > > Carol B
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Carol,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, both my wife and I are completely of all thyroid meds
> with
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > body temperature now of 98.6.  As I said it took quite a
while
> > > > for me
> > > > > > > at over 1 year and many cycles.  My ND has had very good
> success
> > > > using
> > > > > > > the protocol with just a small minority not seeing
> improvement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you inferred it does not work for everyone.  Wilson's
> Thyroid
> > > > > > > Syndrome protocol deals only with the conversions issue of
> > > > converting
> > > > > > > T4 to T3 and not the issue of your thyroid not producing
> enough
> > > > > > > thyroid to begin with.  With prolonged stress, like with
> health
> > > > > > > challenges, many people get stuck in the energy conservation
> > mode
> > > > > > > where their body converts too much T4 to RT3 and not
enough to
> > > > T3.  In
> > > > > > > cases were thyroid medication is needed, patients usually
> > > require a
> > > > > > > much smaller dose.  I am sorry the protocol did not work
> > > > initially for
> > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did your doctor follow the protocol exactly?  It needs to be
> > > > followed
> > > > > > > a little like our motto here of "Pace not race".  The
reason I
> > > > mention
> > > > > > > that is some doctors think that all that is needed is to
> give a
> > > > fairly
> > > > > > > large dose on ST3 and keep the patient there long enough to
> > > deplete
> > > > > > > the RT3 and repeat this a few cycles as necessary.  I have a
> > > > > > > sister-in-law whose doctor treated her this way with no
> success.
> > > >  From
> > > > > > > my experience the cycles have to be a gradual increase in
> > > > dosage.  My
> > > > > > > incremental dosage steps were 7.5 micrograms and even as low
> > > as 3.75
> > > > > > > micrograms.  Also, I believe it is more than just
> depleting the
> > > > RT3.
> > > > > > > It is the gradual cycling on and off ST3 somethings very
many
> > > times
> > > > > > > that retrains your body to were it should be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In case you do not have the patient and doctor's books on
> > Wilson's
> > > > > > > Thyroid Syndrome you can download them for FREE.  Here
are the
> > > link
> > > > > > > (The link to the books is at the bottom of the page)
> > > > > > > http://www.medaus.com/p/380.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > > > > David J.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are you off of the SRT3? Most people need something like
> > > > Armour and
> > > > > > > > they need it life long. Glad it worked for you. Did it
bring
> > > > > your temp
> > > > > > > > up to 98.6? Carol B
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker"
> <nw.hiker@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carol,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome worked for both my wife and
> > myself.
> > > > > > It took
> > > > > > > > > me at least 7 or 8 cycles though and over 1 year.  I
> > think it
> > > > > > takes us
> > > > > > > > > Lymies much longer than usual.  My ND was looking for my
> > > health
> > > > > > > > > problem so we were dealing with the thyroid since we
> did not
> > > > know
> > > > > > > > > about the lyme at the time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > > > > > > David J.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
<kalo777@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I found a doctor who let me try 3 cycles of the
> SRT3.I was
> > > > > on his
> > > > > > > > > > forum (which no longer exists) and read both his
books.
> > > It did
> > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > for me. Personally, with what I know now, it doesn't
> > exists.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > exists is a lot of
> undiagnosed/undertreated/untreated low
> > > > > > > thyroid. I'm
> > > > > > > > > > just a wierd case and sometimes think my body is
> > > dead.LOL Not
> > > > > > > much of
> > > > > > > > > > anything does anything for me. But as a Christian
I know
> > > > > > better. :-)
> > > > > > > > > > Carol B
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "squireofyore"
> > > > > > > > > > <squireofyore@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Carol
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried just T3/Wilson's protocol for the
> > thyroid?
> > > > > I did
> > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > past and it made no difference (or it seemed)
> > compared to
> > > > > > > armour, so
> > > > > > > > > > > just went back to the later. But it seems to help a
> > lot of
> > > > > > folks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > m
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
> > <kalo777@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank's Susan. I'm currently VERY FRUSTRATED
to the
> > > > point of
> > > > > > > > tears.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently doing 4 grams of salt/c just for GP.
> > I got
> > > > > > > > talked into
> > > > > > > > > > > > going back and looking into thyroid hormone
> resistance
> > > > (long
> > > > > > > > story).
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently on 5 grains of thyroid S (just
> went to 5
> > > > > after a
> > > > > > > > month
> > > > > > > > > > > > of being on 4) and 30 mg of HC. But I don't know
> why.
> > > > > > Tests have
> > > > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > > > > > I need this stuff but I see NO benefit from it
and I
> > > don't
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > else to turn. Actually, there is some testing
I need
> > > > to have
> > > > > > > > > done but
> > > > > > > > > > > > my doctor won't do it (actually I've given up on
> > him and
> > > > > he's
> > > > > > > > > the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > thing around) and I've heard horror stories about
> > Endos.
> > > > > They
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > probably look at me and tell me there was NOTHING
> > > > wrong with
> > > > > > > me. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > tried out a new osteopath earlier this year.
HA! She
> > > > > heard my
> > > > > > > > health
> > > > > > > > > > > > history and looked at some test results (that
> actually
> > > > show
> > > > > > > > > something)
> > > > > > > > > > > > and told me she knew exactly what was wrong
with me.
> > > "Your
> > > > > > > > > DEPRESSED".
> > > > > > > > > > > >  My daughter wanted to kill her when she heard
> > that. She
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > had the
> > > > > > > > > > > > nerve to tell me that she has many friends with a
> > normal
> > > > > temp
> > > > > > > > of 96.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chris from the hypo pit group called her an
> IDIOT. LOL
> > > > > > Sorry for
> > > > > > > > > > > > rambling, I guess I just needed to vent. LOL I was
> > > > > thinking my
> > > > > > > > > post on
> > > > > > > > > > > > chlorella got over looked. Maybe your doctor will
> > > have the
> > > > > > > answer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I never quit, I just went no mail. Carol B
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Susan S.
> > > Moskaly"
> > > > > > > > > > > > <susan_moskaly@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol, I am wondering the same thing, as I am
> > > > > > > postmenopausal.  I
> > > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > presently taking 10 grams of Source Naturals
> > Chlorella
> > > > > daily
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > amounts to 10 mg iron, or 50% DV.  I guess that
> > > level of
> > > > > > > > iron is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > safe, but what if I were to take even higher
> > doses of
> > > > > > > chlorella
> > > > > > > > > > (as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mistral so highly recommends)?  When I see
my LLND
> > > > next, I
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > > > > > > > get his opinion.   At least my present iron
levels
> > > > in the
> > > > > > > blood
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not high.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, welcome back to the group!  I was
> > > > > wondering what
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > happened to you!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan in Eureka
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Carol wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been reading this discussion on
chlorella.
> > > > > Because I
> > > > > > > > had my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > amalgams out a year ago but never chelated I
> > decided
> > > > > > maybe I
> > > > > > > > > > > would try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some. So I got a bottle at my local health
food
> > > store
> > > > > > "Sunny
> > > > > > > > > > Green"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brand tablets. Then I found Mercolas info on
> > > > mercury and
> > > > > > > > > > > chlorella. He
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends a much higher dose. The problem
is he
> > > goes
> > > > > > on to
> > > > > > > > > > > state that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chlorella has iron and if you are post
menopause
> > > > > (me) your
> > > > > > > > iron
> > > > > > > > > > > levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be up and you could wind up with
> > > hemochromotosis
> > > > > > > > (spell?)
> > > > > > > > > > > if not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful. He recommends testing for this.
> > Guess, that
> > > > > > means I
> > > > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take the higher dosage he recommends. My last
> > > ferritin
> > > > > > > test I
> > > > > > > > > > > was fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (upper 2/3 of the range or higher. I'm
> > wondering if
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > > in this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very knowlegable group knows about the problem
> > with
> > > > > > iron in
> > > > > > > > > > > chlorella?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much, Carol B
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

If not, what *does* zap Lyme cysts? Rife? Salt/C?

If Salt/C does zap Lyme cysts,
would it zap Nano-calcified igloos as well?

Or are nano igloos a tougher calc to crack than Lyme
cysts?

Is there anyone with broad spectrum experience who can
answer this?

Thanks,
Minni

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I have known this experientially for a long time. I am chemically sensitive and
my head fills up with "cotton balls" and I become fatigued when I'm around
softener smells. It also contains "pthathalates"...a form of PVC's (I believe).
A recent study by Stanford University also found that the "synthetic musk" that
is the fragrance base for many of our cleaning and personal care products
damages the California Mollusk. This may sound obscure but if it affects this
creature then it probably affects other marine life and thus a whole ecosystem.
It strips away a protective shield from the mollusk, leaving it vulnerable to
even more damaging chemicals. Synthetic musk cannot be filtered out of the
water supply.

Louise



--- LymeAngl@... wrote:

> COULD IT BE YOUR FABRIC SOFTENER ??
>
> Sometimes it's hard to believe  that health problems can arise from the
> simplest products used in every day  living. There is a movement going on
> right now
> to participate in a class action  lawsuit against manufacturers of fabric
> softeners. Why?
>
> Turns out that  the chemicals used can cause serious trouble with your
> central nervous system!  Exposure can be through inhalation from the exhaust
> of
> dryers or skin contact  from the treated fabrics. Symptoms include (but are
> not
> limited to):  disorientation, dizziness, headaches, memory loss, neck and
> spine
> pain,  etc.
>
> A brief glance at the ingredients used along with some basic  research from
> their 'Material Safety Data Sheets' is enough to make me stop  using any of
> it.
>
> a.. Alpha-Terpineol-"highly irritating to  mucous membranes"."aspiration into
>
> lungs can produce pneumonitis or even fatal  edema"."can also cause loss of
> muscular coordination"----"Prevent repeated or  prolonged skin contact".
> b.. Benzyl Acetate-"Cardinogenic  (linked to pancreatic cancer). "from
> vapors: irritating to eyes and respiratory  passages, exciting cough".."can
> be
> absorbed through the skin causing systemic  effects"."do not flush to sewer".
>
> c.. Benzyl  Alcohol-"irritating to the upper respiratory tract"."headache,
> nausea, vomiting,  dizziness, drop in blood pressure, depression, and death
> in
> sever cases due to  respiratory failure".
> d.. Camphor-On EPA's Hazardous Waste  List. "readily absorbed through the
> body tissues"."irritation of eyes, skin,  nose and throat"."dizziness,
> confusion,
> nausea, twitching muscles and  convulsions"."avoid inhalation of vapors".
> e..  Chloroform-(You've got to be kidding!!)
> f.. Ethyl  Acetate-Narcotic. "may cause headache and narcosis"..."may cause
> anemia with  leukocytosis and damage to liver and kidneys"."wash thoroughly
> after handling".
> g.. Limonene-Carcinogenic. "prevent its' contact with skin or  eyes because
> it is an irritant and sensitizer"."always wash thoroughly after  using this
> material and before eating or drinking"."do not inhale limonene  vapor".
> h.. Linalool-Narcotic. "respiratory disturbances"."in  animal tests: ataxic
> gait, reduced spontaneous motor activity and  depression...depressed heart
> activity...development of respiratory disturbances  leading to death".
> i.. Pentane-"danger-Harmful if  inhaled.Avoid breathing vapor"."inhalation of
>
> vapors may cause headache, nausea,  vomiting, dizziness, drowsiness,
> irritation of respiratory tract and loss of  consciousness. Prolonged
> exposure can
> cause dermatitis".
> Ain't life grand  when the 'big buck' boys can foist this stuff on an
> unsuspecting public without  a guilty conscience!! Thanks for protecting us
> "big
> brother".
>


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Dear Renate, I was using a Hulda Clark zapper on my bite site when I
was reinfected, didn't work. Maybe the other ones would, definitely
worth a try. BTW there are so many posts I'd like to respond to but
I'm still a mess from 9 monther so anyone rteading this, I'm down but
not out! Thinking about you, praying but not able to post much. God
bless, Susie

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "haecklers" <haecklers@...>
wrote:
>
> Do you think this would work with tick bites to prevent infection?
> It's from the Native Nutrition list.
>
> -----------------
>
> Charles, list,
> Just last week I was bitten by a spider on my arm. It became swollen
> and pain was shooting up my arm. I immediately treated it with a
> mild electric
> shock which instantly stopped the swelling and pain.
>
> I have two electric devices for such purposes. The first is Hulda
> Clarks
> Zapper which I take on all my camping trips. It has multiple uses
> against
> infection, parasites, nausea as well as insect bites. The other
> device is simply
> an
> electric fence charger that I have mounted out near the barn to
> quickly treat
> fire ant bites as well as spider bites. I use it regularly, as the
> fire ants are
> everywhere here.
>
> Rather than touch the electric fence directly, it is only necessary
> to
> receive a mild shock to eliminate the pustule, itching and pain.
> Therefore, I
> use a
> small cheap VOM (Volt Ohm Meter), attaching the negative wire of
the
> VOM to
> the grounding lug of the charger. I then set the meter on 1000 AC
> volts. When I
> touch the positive wire of the meter to the bite, the VOM meter
> needle barely
> moves a bit and a tingling sensation can be felt. This is instant
> relief that
> prevents the fire ant bite from forming a pustule and there is
never
> a scar.
>
> In an emergency (Rattlesnake bite, etc.) I would not hesitate to
> touch the
> bitten area to the spark plug wire of a running lawn mower, tiller,
> or some such
> equipment. It could be an absolute life saver. With the elevated
> voltage, I
> doubt it would require a hospital visit ($3000-$5000). One would
> know shortly
> if further attention was necessary.
>
> I first discovered this treatment from reading a science magazine
> article in
> the mid 1980s which stated that scientist who traveled into jungles
> having no
> access to antidotes for poisonous bites, used the electric zappers
> that women
> carried in their purses for personal protection to shock and
> neutralize the
> poisons of reptile and spider bites. The electricity flowing
through
> the poison
> actually changes its chemical composition thereby neutralizing it.
>
> I worked at the time with a pilot who was severely allergic and
> reactive to
> insect bites. After an emergency landing because of a fire ant bite
> on his neck
> which required medical attention, I advised him to always carry a
> nine volt
> battery with him which he could dampen and apply to the site. This
> information
> can be a life saver. Thanks for posting. C R
>

Carol,

Good questions.  If the measure of success is feeling well, WS failed.
  If you look at normal body temperature it did great.  Like you my
ultimate marker of success is feeling well.  I think WS for me and
thyroid is just a small part of the puzzle.  I really feel Salt/C is
taking care of a much larger portion of my problems.  If I had know of
the possibility of Lyme and the Salt/C protocol I would have done it
before WS, since I have read that Lyme has affects on our endocrine
system.  Oh well, hopefully doing the WS first will allow the Salt/C
road to be easier.  For my wife the sucess marker of feeling well is
much closer to being reached. For her though WS was a bumpy ride.  Her
body is a quick compensator and as she increased dosage her temp.
stayed constant or even dropped and then all of a sudden pop like a
pressure cooker her body temp jumped to 99.2 and took a couple months
to drop down to 98.6.  She did not like WS at all.  Now looking back
she sees it helped tremendously.

You vacation plans sounds like fun.  I agree with you regarding
comedy.  I enjoy the old so much better than what we have on TV now.

Here is a dumb question to a rather newbie regarding boards and posts
and all, what does DH stand for?  I am guessing "Darling Husband".

Broken to Serve,
David J.

The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back.


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks David. Out of curiosity (being I think to much LOL). How do you
> know that the WS worked for you since you still have health
> challanges? Just curious. DH and I are going away in August w/o kids.
> First time ever except to a business function. Our oldest is 32 and
> still lives at home and our youngest is 26. I'm really hoping I feel
> well then. It's been a hard past month. DH is going to teach me to
> shoot a 22 rifle (that he got me for my birthday) and with my
> fibromyalgia I don't know how I'll do. We are also going to visit some
> ghost towns in Nevada (which is where we are going). I've been reading
> on the comedy. I love Clem Kadidlehopper, Freddy the Freeloader and
> all the others they mentioned. Those were the Good Old Days. LOL
> Thanks much, Carol B
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@> wrote:
> >
> > Carol,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing.  In the past I would have said that I understand
> > what you are going through, but in truth all I can say is that I feel
> > for you since I too have gone through health challenges and each of
> > ours has its own differences and frustrations.
> >
> > I myself do not know with certainty that I have Lyme.  My Igenex WB
> > IgM tho negative shows 2 bands and 1 IND.  Like you it has been a
> > process of trying to find the cause of my problems.  I was initially
> > hopeful that the WS was it and at times on it and after it I was
> > feeling very good (but they were quite brief).  I started the Salt/C
> > out of both God's divine direction and desperation as my health had
> > really plummeted this winter.  Salt/C is showing great hope for me.  I
> > do not know if it is just because it is addressing some of my other
> > problems (digestion, adrenal etc.) or not, but I have always thought
> > that I was dealing with some type of chronic infection.  Unlike you I
> > was very healthy as a youngster.  My problems started at around 10
> > years of age and have worsened with time to where now I am no longer
> > working on a regular basis (I am hopeful that will change).  My health
> > battle has been around 30 years.  I think all of us on this board
> > knows some of the frustration with doctors.  I applaud your
> > perseverance, it is not easy.  You have a lot more than the average
> > person and myself.  I am just starting to educate myself concerning
> > health and it is a daunting task.  I was the type that just ignored my
> > problems and pushed on the best I could as doctors did not find the
> > problem and I did not make the time to pursue it.
> >
> > Regarding thyroid, I do not know if WS will help you or not.  For me
> > there were indicators that it was working in that I did not require as
> > high a dose on subsequent cycles so my doctor kept on pursuing.  Your
> > comment that if WS works Armour should also work makes sense. For me I
> > did much better with WS treatment.  It may have been that my dosage
> > while on Armour was too low. If you want to post my wife's and my
> > success on that board feel free.  I will try and remember to ask and
> > verify with my ND her result rates.
> >
> > Is Salt/C helping you some?  Do not loose hope.  Keep up the battle.
> > I think the Greek doctors had it more right than we do now in that
> > health involves body, mind, and spirit.  Take some time out for
> > something you enjoy.  Some of the recent post have been on commedy and
> > laughter which I think is very important.
> >
> >
> > Broken to Serve,
> > David J.
> >
> > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks David. I don't even know if I have lymes or not. I came here
> > > from the frequent dose chelation group thanks to Jess. I knew I had
> > > adrenal fatigue and that Salt/C was good for that so I figured I had
> > > nothing to lose. Plus I didn't know if I had any parasites or not.
> > > Basically, my problems began at birth and progessed. I was 57 a few
> > > weeks ago, virtually have no life (I push myself to do
everything) and
> > > I'm still searching. According to Top Docs who think outside the
box,
> > > I have a thyroid problem based on testing, below normal temp,
symptoms
> > > and delayed reflexes. But the medication does virtually nothing for
> > > me. FRUSTRATING to say the least. I'm SO SICK of doctors. We don't
> > > have any ND's in Calif that can prescribe meds. Chris from my
hypo pit
> > > group keeps pushing osteopaths. I've been to two of them and
they were
> > > both JERKS. My current doctor whom I've had for 6&1/2 years is the
> > > best thing around. He was the first one (second actually) to really
> > > believe in me and order the right tests (at least some of them). He
> > > has run out of ideas, is still lacking in knoweldge in many
areas and
> > > refuses to do the testing I ask because he thinks I'm using him
and he
> > > doesn't like that. I guess I don't blame him but now I'm STUCK. If I
> > > went back to WS (and you're the first one to really speak highly of
> > > it) I would need someone to prescribe the SRT3. Oh well, I'm not
sure
> > > it would work. I mean, if SRT3 would work, then Armour should
work. Or
> > > so thinks everyone on my thyroid group. Thanks again. Maybe I should
> > > forward your posts there, or at least let them know that SOMEONE got
> > > well doing his protacol. :-)Carol B
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carol,
> > > >
> > > > With 3 cycles nothing much was happening with me either.  For
me it
> > > > just took a long time and somewhere around 7 or 8 cycles and
> around 13
> > > > months.  My ND also uses 3.75 microgram step increases of ST3 when
> > > > needed instead of just the 7.5 microgram steps and going down many
> > > > times she would have me go very very slowly.  I think it may work
> > > > easier with guys in that our bodies do not have to deal with
monthly
> > > > hormonal changes.  Also, I believe I remember my ND saying
that for
> > > > women she sometimes has to address other issues first or possibly
> > > > concurrently.  I can't remember but I guessing things like
adrenal,
> > > > progesterone etc.  All I know is she had a pretty good track
> record of
> > > > helping people using the protocol.  I do not remember her
> success rate
> > > > and will have to ask her again, but I think of those she put
on the
> > > > program over half were able to be off all thyroid meds, around 40%
> > > > were able to reduce the dosage of thyroid and the remaining 20%
> had no
> > > > success.  Also, I do not think she suggested the program to all
> of her
> > > > thyroid patients.  It was based more on her diagnosis and test
> > > > results.  As an ND she also would use adjuncts along with the
> protocol
> > > > where she thought necessary.
> > > >
> > > > I wish you the best in your pursuit and I wish you were
dealing with
> > > > my ND on this issue.  I like my ND very much I just wish she was
> more
> > > > familiar with Lyme.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > David J.
> > > >
> > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward and 2 steps back
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I read both of his books. I even talked to him on his forum
> which no
> > > > > longer exists. 99%  on my thyroid group DON'T believe in his
> > protacol.
> > > > > However, you can't knock something that worked and it worked for
> > both
> > > > > of you. YEA!!! I did 3 cycles exactly like his book said to
> and they
> > > > > talked about on the group. The doctor I went to told me it
> wouldn't
> > > > > work. He was convinced that ALL my problems from birth were
do to
> > > > > MULTIPLE food allergies (all foods). I thought he was nuts and
> > found a
> > > > > new doctor (whom I've since given up on). Thanks for sharing.
> > Carol B
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker" <nw.hiker@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Carol,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, both my wife and I are completely of all thyroid meds
with
> > > normal
> > > > > > body temperature now of 98.6.  As I said it took quite a while
> > > for me
> > > > > > at over 1 year and many cycles.  My ND has had very good
success
> > > using
> > > > > > the protocol with just a small minority not seeing
improvement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you inferred it does not work for everyone.  Wilson's
Thyroid
> > > > > > Syndrome protocol deals only with the conversions issue of
> > > converting
> > > > > > T4 to T3 and not the issue of your thyroid not producing
enough
> > > > > > thyroid to begin with.  With prolonged stress, like with
health
> > > > > > challenges, many people get stuck in the energy conservation
> mode
> > > > > > where their body converts too much T4 to RT3 and not enough to
> > > T3.  In
> > > > > > cases were thyroid medication is needed, patients usually
> > require a
> > > > > > much smaller dose.  I am sorry the protocol did not work
> > > initially for
> > > > > > you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did your doctor follow the protocol exactly?  It needs to be
> > > followed
> > > > > > a little like our motto here of "Pace not race".  The reason I
> > > mention
> > > > > > that is some doctors think that all that is needed is to
give a
> > > fairly
> > > > > > large dose on ST3 and keep the patient there long enough to
> > deplete
> > > > > > the RT3 and repeat this a few cycles as necessary.  I have a
> > > > > > sister-in-law whose doctor treated her this way with no
success.
> > >  From
> > > > > > my experience the cycles have to be a gradual increase in
> > > dosage.  My
> > > > > > incremental dosage steps were 7.5 micrograms and even as low
> > as 3.75
> > > > > > micrograms.  Also, I believe it is more than just
depleting the
> > > RT3.
> > > > > > It is the gradual cycling on and off ST3 somethings very many
> > times
> > > > > > that retrains your body to were it should be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In case you do not have the patient and doctor's books on
> Wilson's
> > > > > > Thyroid Syndrome you can download them for FREE.  Here are the
> > link
> > > > > > (The link to the books is at the bottom of the page)
> > > > > > http://www.medaus.com/p/380.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > > > David J.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you off of the SRT3? Most people need something like
> > > Armour and
> > > > > > > they need it life long. Glad it worked for you. Did it bring
> > > > your temp
> > > > > > > up to 98.6? Carol B
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "nw.hiker"
<nw.hiker@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carol,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome worked for both my wife and
> myself.
> > > > > It took
> > > > > > > > me at least 7 or 8 cycles though and over 1 year.  I
> think it
> > > > > takes us
> > > > > > > > Lymies much longer than usual.  My ND was looking for my
> > health
> > > > > > > > problem so we were dealing with the thyroid since we
did not
> > > know
> > > > > > > > about the lyme at the time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Broken to Serve,
> > > > > > > > David J.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The battle is won 3 steps forward 2 steps back
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <kalo777@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I found a doctor who let me try 3 cycles of the
SRT3.I was
> > > > on his
> > > > > > > > > forum (which no longer exists) and read both his books.
> > It did
> > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > for me. Personally, with what I know now, it doesn't
> exists.
> > > > What
> > > > > > > > > exists is a lot of
undiagnosed/undertreated/untreated low
> > > > > > thyroid. I'm
> > > > > > > > > just a wierd case and sometimes think my body is
> > dead.LOL Not
> > > > > > much of
> > > > > > > > > anything does anything for me. But as a Christian I know
> > > > > better. :-)
> > > > > > > > > Carol B
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "squireofyore"
> > > > > > > > > <squireofyore@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carol
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you tried just T3/Wilson's protocol for the
> thyroid?
> > > > I did
> > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > past and it made no difference (or it seemed)
> compared to
> > > > > > armour, so
> > > > > > > > > > just went back to the later. But it seems to help a
> lot of
> > > > > folks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > m
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"
> <kalo777@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thank's Susan. I'm currently VERY FRUSTRATED to the
> > > point of
> > > > > > > tears.
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently doing 4 grams of salt/c just for GP.
> I got
> > > > > > > talked into
> > > > > > > > > > > going back and looking into thyroid hormone
resistance
> > > (long
> > > > > > > story).
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently on 5 grains of thyroid S (just
went to 5
> > > > after a
> > > > > > > month
> > > > > > > > > > > of being on 4) and 30 mg of HC. But I don't know
why.
> > > > > Tests have
> > > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > > > > I need this stuff but I see NO benefit from it and I
> > don't
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > else to turn. Actually, there is some testing I need
> > > to have
> > > > > > > > done but
> > > > > > > > > > > my doctor won't do it (actually I've given up on
> him and
> > > > he's
> > > > > > > > the best
> > > > > > > > > > > thing around) and I've heard horror stories about
> Endos.
> > > > They
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > probably look at me and tell me there was NOTHING
> > > wrong with
> > > > > > me. I
> > > > > > > > > > > tried out a new osteopath earlier this year. HA! She
> > > > heard my
> > > > > > > health
> > > > > > > > > > > history and looked at some test results (that
actually
> > > show
> > > > > > > > something)
> > > > > > > > > > > and told me she knew exactly what was wrong with me.
> > "Your
> > > > > > > > DEPRESSED".
> > > > > > > > > > >  My daughter wanted to kill her when she heard
> that. She
> > > > also
> > > > > > > > had the
> > > > > > > > > > > nerve to tell me that she has many friends with a
> normal
> > > > temp
> > > > > > > of 96.
> > > > > > > > > > > Chris from the hypo pit group called her an
IDIOT. LOL
> > > > > Sorry for
> > > > > > > > > > > rambling, I guess I just needed to vent. LOL I was
> > > > thinking my
> > > > > > > > post on
> > > > > > > > > > > chlorella got over looked. Maybe your doctor will
> > have the
> > > > > > answer.
> > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I never quit, I just went no mail. Carol B
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Susan S.
> > Moskaly"
> > > > > > > > > > > <susan_moskaly@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Carol, I am wondering the same thing, as I am
> > > > > > postmenopausal.  I
> > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > presently taking 10 grams of Source Naturals
> Chlorella
> > > > daily
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > amounts to 10 mg iron, or 50% DV.  I guess that
> > level of
> > > > > > > iron is
> > > > > > > > > > > > safe, but what if I were to take even higher
> doses of
> > > > > > chlorella
> > > > > > > > > (as
> > > > > > > > > > > > mistral so highly recommends)?  When I see my LLND
> > > next, I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > > > > > > get his opinion.   At least my present iron levels
> > > in the
> > > > > > blood
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > not high.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, welcome back to the group!  I was
> > > > wondering what
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > happened to you!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Susan in Eureka
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Carol wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been reading this discussion on chlorella.
> > > > Because I
> > > > > > > had my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > amalgams out a year ago but never chelated I
> decided
> > > > > maybe I
> > > > > > > > > > would try
> > > > > > > > > > > > > some. So I got a bottle at my local health food
> > store
> > > > > "Sunny
> > > > > > > > > Green"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > brand tablets. Then I found Mercolas info on
> > > mercury and
> > > > > > > > > > chlorella. He
> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends a much higher dose. The problem is he
> > goes
> > > > > on to
> > > > > > > > > > state that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > chlorella has iron and if you are post menopause
> > > > (me) your
> > > > > > > iron
> > > > > > > > > > levels
> > > > > > > > > > > > > could be up and you could wind up with
> > hemochromotosis
> > > > > > > (spell?)
> > > > > > > > > > if not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > careful. He recommends testing for this.
> Guess, that
> > > > > means I
> > > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > take the higher dosage he recommends. My last
> > ferritin
> > > > > > test I
> > > > > > > > > > was fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (upper 2/3 of the range or higher. I'm
> wondering if
> > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > in this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > very knowlegable group knows about the problem
> with
> > > > > iron in
> > > > > > > > > > chlorella?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much, Carol B
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Thanks for input Judith, DR Christoppher talked about
deep breathing all the time and I never thought of it
that way so that is certainly worth trying, also sometimes
I excercise w/my oxy machine on and that does seem to help
at least temporarily.
regards David G


--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Judith" <howdeeeyall@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks, David.  I think Duffy's Law definitely applies to most
> doctors! <g>
>
> I wasn't specific about the kind of oxygen treatment I was
thinking
> of, but I was really thinking about yoga breathing methods.  A few
> years ago, I had a case of the flu that would not stop.   I had a
> high fever for 8 days straight, and it didn't even come down in
the
> morning--stayed up at 102 or more all the time.  I missed work all
> that time of course, and the office was going crazy and needed
me.  I
> was burning up but my immune system was not fighting it off, and
it
> seemed the fever would go on forever.  (Now I wonder if this was
Lyme
> or something similar.)
>
> I decided to do some intense "connected breathing" and did that
for a
> couple of hours.  I went from freezing (two sweatsuits, two
sleeping
> bags for covers) to burning up and heavy sweats (throwing
everything
> off) several times during the process.  When I was done, the fever
> was coming down and went away in an hour or two, never to return.
I
> went to work in a day or two.
>
> I was pretty impressed, to say the least.  Didn't think it would
work
> that well.  That breathing process is intense if not done often,
and
> I was, and am, out of practice so it's not that easy to do, but I
> think I should try it again.  Something tells me that daily
breathing
> practice would at least help some with Lyme.
>
> Judith
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dnat1@> wrote:
> >
> > HI Judith, in theory Oxy can help w/infections, however I did
> > 150 Ozone insufflations(enamas), about 100 ozone steam saunas
> > but neither had any effect on the infections, the real help
> > will come from all natural tried & true methods like Salt/C,
> > herbal & coffee enamas, and all natural food & nutrition program,
> > I suspect some may have had good results w/oxy treatments, I just
> > read about in the books they sell, but don't know anyone,  I go
> > by personal experience, I've done most programs out there and
> > keep in mind that book knowledge has very little value in the
> > real world of disease,also I go by Duffy's law; "Most people are
> > wrong about most things, most of the time" (esp DR's )
> > http://www.duffyslaw.com/
> > it's always worth a try if you are suffering.
> > best of health  David G
> >
> >
> > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Judith" <howdeeeyall@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > If Babesia causes air hunger, does increased oxygenation help
> kill
> > off
> > > the Babesia?
> > >
> > > Judith
> > >
> > > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "haecklers"
<haecklers@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One of the symptoms of babesia is "air hunger", pretty
> > descriptive,
> > > > does that sound like your "breathing problems"?  It's a
pretty
> > > > common co-infection with lyme.  Also, the tingling
sensations
> > could
> > > > be nerve damage from the lyme, or from poor circulation due
to
> > thick
> > > > blood from babesia, so magnesium may not be the culprit for
> > either.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>