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#2716 From: "jill1313" <jenbooks13@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: natural immunogenics silver 		jill1313
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Noodly, I started a yahoo group for this, "naturalsilver."
I hvae to tell you I got so sick from taking just 1/2 tsp 3x a day I
had to back off. It is the strongest stuff I've ever taken. You
probably will NOT get sick, I am very sensitive. Once my liver/gb
recover I am going to start back on a few DROPS a day. I'll probably
be taking less than anybody around but I have to do that.

I would recommend it highly.

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#2715 From: "kristy day" <kdaygd@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 6:25 am
Subject: Re: Re: Nature's Biotic & Primal Defense 		daysiechain
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Have a look at www.onegrp.com. They have a certified organic probiotic product called In-Liven based on 26 living wholefoods (predigested to prevent any intollerances and allergies), 18 amino acids and 13 lactobacillus bacteria (full spectrum). My Lyme symptoms improved quite a bit since January when I started using it. ThreeLac didn't do much for me at all.
 
Kristy (new)


Is NB better than Threelac?  I've been on Threelac for many months.
Cant tell if its helping or not.

Thanks,
Noodlydoo

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "tansyap" <tansyap@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "thelymelight"
> <thelymelight@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was looking to try Nature's Biotic (as per Marc's recommen) but as
> > of yet I cannot find it in Ontario...I was wondering if anyone knew
> > whether the Primal Defense from Garden Of Life would be about the
> > same thing, as it too contains the Soil based organsims, SBO's?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lisa
>
> Nature's Biotics does not have such wide range of SBOs as the Primal
> Defense has but are still considered very effective, NB also has
> fewer additional ingredients so less likely to be a problem for those
> with a lot of sensitivities or intolerances.
>
> I have used both and although some purists insist NB is better I
> really could not tell the difference. The PD was significantly more
> helpful when I developed diarrhoea through long term low dose doxy,
> whether that was the range of SBOs and probiotics or the additional
> ingredients, I was never able to ascertain.
>
> Tansy





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#2714 From: LymeAngl@...
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 12:58 am
Subject: Re: Re: Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler(reply) 		lymeangl
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In a message dated 03/31/2005 9:37:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, successfulhealing@... writes:


would add that I just kicked a lung infection using sovereign
silver in a nebulizer along with oral silver.


*****May I ask where you get the "sovereign silver" for the nebulizer??  I am being treated for a nano-bacteria in my lungs and had a
Hydrogen Peroxide/DMSO IV on Monday, as well as a UV 'hot blood' on Tuesday......all I can say is whewwwwwwwww.....they are working, but I have to go in for another IV tomorrow....I have no idea what he will give me....however, the green YUCK I was spitting up is subsiding and my body feels as though the bacterial infection is on its way out, but not completely gone.  I was running a low-grade temp (99.8), fatigue, coughing and then when he started the first IV the Babesia went on a rage and the sweats were horrible.  The herxing from these IV;s have been horrific and I mean horrific.....the worst I have ever had, but all I can say is THANK GOD for coffee enemas, castor oil packs and MiracleII/Epsom Salt baths.....I have also been taking 27 drops, 3 times a day of Samento, 3 tablespoons daily of CS orally, 4 scopes sometimes 5 scopes scattered out over the day of Radiant Greens and Ruby Red.  He increased my Catie's Calcium-Magnesium to 3 tablespoons twice daily during this infection.

*****The problem grew because I stopped using the Genie for over 10 days and BAMB a nano-bacteria got me.  The chem-trails have been horribly bad here in the Phoenix area and the ER's have been full of some "strange" infection??!!

*****I keep the Eucalyptus brewing and have a sponge bottle right on my night stand.  I used the nebulizer but would like to add the silver you mentioned....I will ask my docs and see what they think. 

*****They started me drinking a liter a day of EVAMOR water, to help keep my body alkaline....here is the link.... eVamor :::::http://www.evamor.com/::::::  I just found out that Catie who makes the Catie's Calcium-Magnesium has a machine that makes wanter even better than eVamor.....wish I could afford it....<sigh>

****All three of my alternative doctors will not let me take steroids in an inhaler.

Angel Huggzz
Linda or Angel

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#2713 From: "noodlydoo" <noodlydoo@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 5:51 am
Subject: Re: natural immunogenics silver 		noodlydoo
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Can someone who REALLY understands and has studied silver comment on
this web page:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#CompTable

Is immunogenics silver ionic?

Thanks,
Noodlydoo

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#2712 From: "noodlydoo" <noodlydoo@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 5:32 am
Subject: 180lbs at 8 grams 		noodlydoo
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OK.  For some reason I just came across the 1gram per 12 lbs rule
somewhere.  I've been at 6-8 grams a day for almost three months, and
I think that I'm  S L O W L Y getting ever so worse. Perhaps I'm under
dosing?  I've always been a little afraid to go more than 8 because
for some reason I have it in my head that to much salt will cause
stones. Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Noodlydoo

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#2711 From: "noodlydoo" <noodlydoo@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 5:29 am
Subject: Re: Nature's Biotic & Primal Defense 		noodlydoo
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Is NB better than Threelac?  I've been on Threelac for many months.
Cant tell if its helping or not.

Thanks,
Noodlydoo

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "tansyap" <tansyap@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "thelymelight"
> <thelymelight@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was looking to try Nature's Biotic (as per Marc's recommen) but as
> > of yet I cannot find it in Ontario...I was wondering if anyone knew
> > whether the Primal Defense from Garden Of Life would be about the
> > same thing, as it too contains the Soil based organsims, SBO's?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lisa
>
> Nature's Biotics does not have such wide range of SBOs as the Primal
> Defense has but are still considered very effective, NB also has
> fewer additional ingredients so less likely to be a problem for those
> with a lot of sensitivities or intolerances.
>
> I have used both and although some purists insist NB is better I
> really could not tell the difference. The PD was significantly more
> helpful when I developed diarrhoea through long term low dose doxy,
> whether that was the range of SBOs and probiotics or the additional
> ingredients, I was never able to ascertain.
>
> Tansy

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#2710 From: "noodlydoo" <noodlydoo@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 5:25 am
Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Yeast Killer 		noodlydoo
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Hi Sue,

I wish you wouldn't write privately, as I for one am VERY interested.
  Vita Biosa is water, 3 kinds of sugar, herbs and fermentation
(bacteria).  Its the three sugars that scares the daylights out of me.
It goes against everything I've ever learned.  Product says that the
sugars are fermented out...but are they really??

Noodlydoo

ps.  Where does one procure cream of tarter?

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Suemassie45@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/30/2005 8:58:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> garyandpam@c... writes:
>
> > Hi Sue and Angela,
> > I tried the cream of tartar. It really hurts my intestines for about
> > 30-60 min after taking it. I think the pain is the gas that gurgles
> > through my intestines. Have you heard of this happening? I'd like to
> > continue trying this...but do you know if my body over time will be
> > able to deal with it better?
> >
>
> Pam-
> It means you are pretty toxic... suggestion.. you can either 'cut
back' on
> the dosage or I have another suggestion... I will write you
privately about a
> new product from Denmark called Vita Biosa.
>
> sue massie, CNHP
> 732 933-4011

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#2709 From: "grball628" <successfulhealing@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 4:36 am
Subject: Re: Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler 		grball628
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I would add that I just kicked a lung infection using sovereign
silver in a nebulizer along with oral silver.

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Rowley" <krowley@i...>
wrote:
>
> I use a colloid silver atomizer spray (inhale it) for bronchitis
and
> that seems to help.  Also, a heat pack over the bronchial tube can
help,
> in fact a few times that has partly resolved bronchitis for me many
> times.
>
> Which steroids are in the inhaler?  I have used adrenal steroids
> regularly without problem with Lyme (cortisol), but would be
cautious
> about others.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael [mailto:mmck@j...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:23 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lymestrategies] Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've a quick question for you all. I have had a bronchial
infection for
> the last 10 days that has been keeping me from sleeping. Nothing
else
> I've tried including Chinese medicine has helped me. My doctor, as
a
> last resort, has given me a prescription for an inhaler that has
> steroids. Do any of you have knowledge on the temporary use of
steroids
> and Lymes.
> Also does have a recommendation as to where a glutathione inhaler
might
> be purchased.
>
> Thanks
> Michael

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#2708 From: "Kurt Rowley" <krowley@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 4:16 am
Subject: RE: Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler 		kurtrowley
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I use a colloid silver atomizer spray (inhale it) for bronchitis and that seems to help.  Also, a heat pack over the bronchial tube can help, in fact a few times that has partly resolved bronchitis for me many times.

 

Which steroids are in the inhaler?  I have used adrenal steroids regularly without problem with Lyme (cortisol), but would be cautious about others. 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael [mailto:mmck@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:23 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler

 

Hello all,

I’ve a quick question for you all. I have had a bronchial infection for the last 10 days that has been keeping me from sleeping. Nothing else I’ve tried including Chinese medicine has helped me. My doctor, as a last resort, has given me a prescription for an inhaler that has steroids. Do any of you have knowledge on the temporary use of steroids and Lymes.
Also does have a recommendation as to where a glutathione inhaler might be purchased.

Thanks
Michael


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#2707 From: Suda Kuna <mysoore911@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 3:29 am
Subject: cartilage inflammation sternum where ribs connect 		mysoore911
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Hi
following is major symptom i have ,it wont let me take
a deep breath, the pain is so severe i thought
something wrong with the liver and did a liver biopsy
and the result is normal. All doctor i have seen were
telling me something wrong with gallbladder, they were
all wrong. Yesterday i was talking friend of mine, he
was test lyme postive many years ago, he was telling
me his side of story how he was diagnosed for lymes,
he had severe cartilage inflammation on his knee ,
then he saw his family doctor, the doctor told him
right away to test for lyme. he is very lucky that the
he has seen is very smart,
In my case it was too late , i was asking many doctors
for many years about the rib cartilage inflammation ,
all the doctors were telling me that it is part of
anxiety. well any one suffering similar symptom, if so
any advise to get relief would greatly be appreciated.
-sunny
> >> >>
> >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just over
> my
> >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt like
> >> someone
> >> >> was sticking me with a knife or something. I
> >> found out
> >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
> >> >>

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#2706 From: Mr Roger Morten <rmor67@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 1:55 am
Subject: Re: chest pain~Peg 		rmor67
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my lyme dr. did it same time as lyme and all the
virus testing. and hemex blood test. for
hypercoagulation.
1-877-676-2241 this is the # on the c.d.they send me.
i would ask them for the cd. it is a good explanation
by james c. roberts,md,facc cardiologist.
1-800-480-4416
1-866-nanobac
www.calcify.com/excerpts%20calcification.html
the calcium bomb is a good book
www.nanobacsciences.com
www.heartfixer     i donot know the rest of the web
address, may try a search.
roger

--- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...> wrote:

> No, I haven't been tested for that.  Can you give me
> any additional
> information on what test to request and what type of
> doctor would be willing
> to perform it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bobbi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mr Roger Morten" <rmor67@...>
> To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
>
>
> >
> > were you tested for nanobacteria?this con be a big
> > heart problem.
> > roger
> > --- Peg Sutherland <rueruel@...> wrote:
> >> HI Boobi,
> >> I guess I would read up on the symptoms for a
> heart
> >> attacks in women. Remember womens symptoms trend
> to
> >> be
> >> different than mens. Ask your Dr. as well so that
> >> you
> >> can be able to determine the difference.
> >>
> >> It could give you a little peace of mind. Sorry
> >> don't
> >> know any LL cardiologist. I would think they are
> a
> >> rare breed.
> >> PegS
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I have an appointment with my LLMD in May and
> will
> >> > mention that to him as I
> >> > hadn't thought about asking for another EKG.
> >> >
> >> > Knowing when it is beyond the Lyme is
> difficult.
> >> I
> >> > really wish I could find
> >> > a Lyme literate cardiologist.  Believe me, I
> >> depend
> >> > on the Lord for a lot of
> >> > strength and wisdom as there are times when I
> >> really
> >> > debate going to the
> >> > emergency room.  Apparently, the Lord isn't
> >> finished
> >> > with me yet.  :)
> >> >
> >> > God bless,
> >> > Bobbi
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Peg Sutherland" <rueruel@...>
> >> > To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:56 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Bobbi,
> >> > >
> >> > > Just make sure that you know when these
> symptoms
> >> > are
> >> > > more than the lyme disease.
> >> > >
> >> > > I am sure you are keeping track of the
> symptoms.
> >> > It
> >> > > never hurts to have an EKG done once a year
> to
> >> see
> >> > if
> >> > > there are any changes. Since you have a
> baseline
> >> > your
> >> > > LLMD can keep a handle on it.
> >> > >
> >> > > PegS
> >> > > --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop
> <bishopjb@...>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> Hi, Peg,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Yes, I have had it checked out for the past
> few
> >> > >> years over and over again.
> >> > >> The problem is that I know that I do have
> heart
> >> > >> problems as they showed up
> >> > >> on echocardiograms, ekgs, holter monitors,
> and
> >> > >> stress tests, although the
> >> > >> stress tests and ekgs were borderline /
> >> > >> questionable.  The first doctor who
> >> > >> found the Lyme verified the heart issues and
> >> said
> >> > >> that this was to be
> >> > >> expected as a result of my main illnesses.
> My
> >> > >> current LLMD does not
> >> > >> question the validity of the heart issues
> >> either.
> >> > >> Before I went to these
> >> > >> two docs, most doctors just wrote me off as
> >> > >> depressed and anxious.  So I
> >> > >> refuse to go to a cardiologist who isn't
> Lyme
> >> > >> literate.  I won't put myself
> >> > >> through that again.  Anyone know of a Lyme
> >> > literate
> >> > >> cardiologist?
> >> > >> Anywhere??
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Since the symptoms have returned after a
> long
> >> > period
> >> > >> without such severe
> >> > >> heart problems, I am just trying to connect
> the
> >> > dots
> >> > >> and figure out what I
> >> > >> am doing that could be bringing this whole
> >> > scenario
> >> > >> back to the forefront.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> God bless,
> >> > >> Bobbi
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Peg Sutherland wrote:
> >> > >> >> HI Boobi,
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Just a couple of questions for you.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> 1.Have you checked with an MD about your
> >> chest
> >> > >> pains?
> >> > >> >> 2. Did they find any thing wrong?
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just
> over
> >> > my
> >> > >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt
> like
> >> > >> someone
> >> > >> >> was sticking me with a knife or
> something. I
> >> > >> found out
> >> > >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Just a thought.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __________________________________
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> >
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> > The information anywhere on Lyme Strategies should
> not be considered
> > complete, nor should it be relied on or
> interpreted to suggest a course of
> > treatment for any individual.  It is research
> information only and it
> > should not be used in place of a visit, call,
> consultation or the advice
> > of your physician or other qualified health care
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#2705 From: "Jeff and Bobbi Bishop" <bishopjb@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 1:25 am
Subject: Re: chest pain~Peg 		wadobato
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No, I haven't been tested for that.  Can you give me any additional
information on what test to request and what type of doctor would be willing
to perform it?

Thanks!

Bobbi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr Roger Morten" <rmor67@...>
To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg


>
> were you tested for nanobacteria?this con be a big
> heart problem.
> roger
> --- Peg Sutherland <rueruel@...> wrote:
>> HI Boobi,
>> I guess I would read up on the symptoms for a heart
>> attacks in women. Remember womens symptoms trend to
>> be
>> different than mens. Ask your Dr. as well so that
>> you
>> can be able to determine the difference.
>>
>> It could give you a little peace of mind. Sorry
>> don't
>> know any LL cardiologist. I would think they are a
>> rare breed.
>> PegS
>>
>>
>> --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
>> wrote:
>> > I have an appointment with my LLMD in May and will
>> > mention that to him as I
>> > hadn't thought about asking for another EKG.
>> >
>> > Knowing when it is beyond the Lyme is difficult.
>> I
>> > really wish I could find
>> > a Lyme literate cardiologist.  Believe me, I
>> depend
>> > on the Lord for a lot of
>> > strength and wisdom as there are times when I
>> really
>> > debate going to the
>> > emergency room.  Apparently, the Lord isn't
>> finished
>> > with me yet.  :)
>> >
>> > God bless,
>> > Bobbi
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Peg Sutherland" <rueruel@...>
>> > To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:56 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Bobbi,
>> > >
>> > > Just make sure that you know when these symptoms
>> > are
>> > > more than the lyme disease.
>> > >
>> > > I am sure you are keeping track of the symptoms.
>> > It
>> > > never hurts to have an EKG done once a year to
>> see
>> > if
>> > > there are any changes. Since you have a baseline
>> > your
>> > > LLMD can keep a handle on it.
>> > >
>> > > PegS
>> > > --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Hi, Peg,
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes, I have had it checked out for the past few
>> > >> years over and over again.
>> > >> The problem is that I know that I do have heart
>> > >> problems as they showed up
>> > >> on echocardiograms, ekgs, holter monitors, and
>> > >> stress tests, although the
>> > >> stress tests and ekgs were borderline /
>> > >> questionable.  The first doctor who
>> > >> found the Lyme verified the heart issues and
>> said
>> > >> that this was to be
>> > >> expected as a result of my main illnesses.  My
>> > >> current LLMD does not
>> > >> question the validity of the heart issues
>> either.
>> > >> Before I went to these
>> > >> two docs, most doctors just wrote me off as
>> > >> depressed and anxious.  So I
>> > >> refuse to go to a cardiologist who isn't Lyme
>> > >> literate.  I won't put myself
>> > >> through that again.  Anyone know of a Lyme
>> > literate
>> > >> cardiologist?
>> > >> Anywhere??
>> > >>
>> > >> Since the symptoms have returned after a long
>> > period
>> > >> without such severe
>> > >> heart problems, I am just trying to connect the
>> > dots
>> > >> and figure out what I
>> > >> am doing that could be bringing this whole
>> > scenario
>> > >> back to the forefront.
>> > >>
>> > >> God bless,
>> > >> Bobbi
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > Peg Sutherland wrote:
>> > >> >> HI Boobi,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Just a couple of questions for you.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 1.Have you checked with an MD about your
>> chest
>> > >> pains?
>> > >> >> 2. Did they find any thing wrong?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just over
>> > my
>> > >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt like
>> > >> someone
>> > >> >> was sticking me with a knife or something. I
>> > >> found out
>> > >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Just a thought.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
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>> Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search.
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#2704 From: Michael <mmck@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:23 pm
Subject: Steroids ? and glutathione inhaler 		mmck32000
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Hello all,

I’ve a quick question for you all. I have had a bronchial infection for
the last 10 days that has been keeping me from sleeping. Nothing else
I’ve tried including Chinese medicine has helped me. My doctor, as a
last resort, has given me a prescription for an inhaler that has
steroids. Do any of you have knowledge on the temporary use of steroids
and Lymes.
Also does have a recommendation as to where a glutathione inhaler might
be purchased.

Thanks
Michael

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#2703 From: "levingo" <levingo@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:29 pm
Subject: stalled--suggestions? 		levingo
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Taking 10 grams (full dose for me) for about 5 weeks.  Couple mild
herxes at staart then nothing.  Still have mid back muscle spasms,
memory and stupidity probs, insomnia.  Also severe diarrhea but have
had that for about 9-10 months, may be from lyme, other parasites,
emotions.  Anyway, any ideas to push the protocol?  Also taking Teasel
root (30 drops 3X/day)which had rumors of herxes from hell at even one
drop.   Nothing.  Any suggestions besides continue with same?

Thank you all

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#2702 From: Mr Roger Morten <rmor67@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: chest pain~Peg 		rmor67
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were you tested for nanobacteria?this con be a big
heart problem.
roger
--- Peg Sutherland <rueruel@...> wrote:
> HI Boobi,
> I guess I would read up on the symptoms for a heart
> attacks in women. Remember womens symptoms trend to
> be
> different than mens. Ask your Dr. as well so that
> you
> can be able to determine the difference.
>
> It could give you a little peace of mind. Sorry
> don't
> know any LL cardiologist. I would think they are a
> rare breed.
> PegS
>
>
> --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
> wrote:
> > I have an appointment with my LLMD in May and will
> > mention that to him as I
> > hadn't thought about asking for another EKG.
> >
> > Knowing when it is beyond the Lyme is difficult.
> I
> > really wish I could find
> > a Lyme literate cardiologist.  Believe me, I
> depend
> > on the Lord for a lot of
> > strength and wisdom as there are times when I
> really
> > debate going to the
> > emergency room.  Apparently, the Lord isn't
> finished
> > with me yet.  :)
> >
> > God bless,
> > Bobbi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peg Sutherland" <rueruel@...>
> > To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Bobbi,
> > >
> > > Just make sure that you know when these symptoms
> > are
> > > more than the lyme disease.
> > >
> > > I am sure you are keeping track of the symptoms.
> > It
> > > never hurts to have an EKG done once a year to
> see
> > if
> > > there are any changes. Since you have a baseline
> > your
> > > LLMD can keep a handle on it.
> > >
> > > PegS
> > > --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi, Peg,
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I have had it checked out for the past few
> > >> years over and over again.
> > >> The problem is that I know that I do have heart
> > >> problems as they showed up
> > >> on echocardiograms, ekgs, holter monitors, and
> > >> stress tests, although the
> > >> stress tests and ekgs were borderline /
> > >> questionable.  The first doctor who
> > >> found the Lyme verified the heart issues and
> said
> > >> that this was to be
> > >> expected as a result of my main illnesses.  My
> > >> current LLMD does not
> > >> question the validity of the heart issues
> either.
> > >> Before I went to these
> > >> two docs, most doctors just wrote me off as
> > >> depressed and anxious.  So I
> > >> refuse to go to a cardiologist who isn't Lyme
> > >> literate.  I won't put myself
> > >> through that again.  Anyone know of a Lyme
> > literate
> > >> cardiologist?
> > >> Anywhere??
> > >>
> > >> Since the symptoms have returned after a long
> > period
> > >> without such severe
> > >> heart problems, I am just trying to connect the
> > dots
> > >> and figure out what I
> > >> am doing that could be bringing this whole
> > scenario
> > >> back to the forefront.
> > >>
> > >> God bless,
> > >> Bobbi
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Peg Sutherland wrote:
> > >> >> HI Boobi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just a couple of questions for you.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1.Have you checked with an MD about your
> chest
> > >> pains?
> > >> >> 2. Did they find any thing wrong?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just over
> > my
> > >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt like
> > >> someone
> > >> >> was sticking me with a knife or something. I
> > >> found out
> > >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just a thought.
> >
> >
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#2701 From: "cactuskickers" <jillallen@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: herx help 		cactuskickers
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--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "hohner40" <hohner40@y...>
wrote:


Hi Hohner,

Well, that is good news, I guess.  Means the goat whey is working.  I
guess all the stuff is working and then I just am ungracious enough
to whine about the evidence of success.  Guess I will put a No
Whining sign on my computer.

Cactus
> Hi Cactus --
>
> I don't know of a website re: herxes specifically, sorry.  FWIW,
> though, I have in the past described my experiments with whey as
> feeling like "being kicked in the head repeatedly".
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "cactuskickers"
> <jillallen@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Cactus here,
> >
> > I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
treating
> > herx symptoms.  I have been miserable for going on five days
now.  I
> > feel like someone threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental
and
> > physical symptom is occurring. It feels like a bad case of the
flu
> > combined with a head injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet
along
> > with a lot of coconut oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is
this
> > contributing?   I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of
list
> > that a person could look at to feel "anchored" ?
> > I just cannot get past it and housework needs doing and April 15
is
> > coming and I need to be able to figure out paperwork, at least a
little.
> >
> >
> > Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
> >
> > Cactus

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#2700 From: "Gina Kindscher (Charter)" <morningsunranch@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: getting intelligence back 		ginakindscher
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Hi Rosemary,

No I did not use salt & C, I did ambrotose and antioxidants, and
endocrine support and vit/minerals and enzymes and probiotics.I believe
in support the failing systems and then letting them do the work. Gina

roseagain wrote:
> Hi Gina,
> Did you get your brain back by using the salt & C?  I really hope so as I am
> missing mine terribly!  LOL!
> Rosemary.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gina Kindscher (Charter) [mailto:morningsunranch@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 1:51 PM
> To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: getting intelligence back
>
> Hi Cactus,
>
> I got my brain back I think it is actually better then before I got
> really sick. Occaisionally by words will slip out wrong and it scares
> me, but then I realize everyone get tongue tied once in a while. My
> memory is recovered also. Yours will come just takes time. Gina
>
> cactuskickers wrote:
>  >
>  > --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Lyme Strategies
>  > <lymestrategies@w...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi Marc and Thank You,
>  >
>  > Yes, now I remember about the Advanced Section.  I have had a
>  > membership since December and read the info many times.  However, it
>  > is like the movie 50 First Dates.  The info does not stick with me.
>  > My Lyme-soaked brain just did not connect the information with actual
>  > actions that I could take.   Ain't it a pistol that when you need
>  > your brain the most, it can read, but not reason.  You can see the
>  > dots, but cannot connect them.  And, as long as we are on this
>  > subject, do you know if any of the recovered Lymies got their
>  > intelligence, logic, etc. back?  I would sure like that.
>  >
>  > I have been doing most of the adjuncts.  Do at least one green drink
>  > and one green salad a day.  Do all of the supplements listed. Do
>  > additional supplements my MD says to in a fruit smoothie every
>  > morning of lecithin, coconut oil, fish oil, almonds, ice, blueberries
>  > goat whey and probiotics.   Do Bodie Water with Real Salt.  Need to
>  > order some Miracle Soap, however.
>  >
>  > I guess tomorrow I will go to the drug store and get the charcoal and
>  > then slide on over the the aisle with the enema stuff and hope I
>  > don't run into anyone I know.   If you know any Norwegian Lutherans
>  > brought up in the Dakotas or Minnesota then you have an idea of how
>  > hard it is for a person to even buy the equipment, let alone
>  > implement the action.   Oh well, a chance to loosen up, I guess.
>  >
>  > I am really glad to hear about the deep organized layers getting
>  > cleared out.   This is what it feels like, whole layers of yourself
>  > getting reorganized.  I can hardly recognise myself day to day, if
>  > that makes any sense, which of course it doesn't, because lyme
>  > doesn't.  Oh well, now that I am reassured for the umpteenth time
>  > that I am okay and experiencing more or less what is predicted, I
>  > think I can relax and wait this herx out.
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks for holding my hand.
>  >
>  > Cactus
>  >
>  >  > Hi Cactus,
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > >Cactus here,
>  >  > >I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
>  >  > >Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
>  > treating
>  >  > >herx symptoms.
>  >  > -------------------------
>  >  > The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to
>  >  > recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C
>  > protocol.  It
>  >  > also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually
>  > expect
>  >  > too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is
>  > very
>  >  > consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even
>  > colonized)
>  >  > microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the
>  > herxes
>  >  > can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier
>  > phases.  Days
>  >  > and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these
>  > points of
>  >  > these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > >I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like
>  > someone
>  >  > >threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical
>  > symptom is
>  >  > >occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a
>  > head
>  >  > >injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of
>  > coconut
>  >  > >oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?
>  >  > -----------------------
>  >  > The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered
>  > by our
>  >  > researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to
>  > immune
>  >  > reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the
>  > immune is a
>  >  > much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to
>  > the
>  >  > immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages,
>  > etc.)
>  >  > becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of
>  > microbes
>  >  > that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing,
>  > mutation,
>  >  > stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the
>  > microbes
>  >  > irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells
>  > can "see"
>  >  > this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming
>  > proper
>  >  > antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune
>  > reactions
>  >  > they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-
>  > ish
>  >  > feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even
>  > headaches,
>  >  > diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have
>  > seen strong
>  >  > drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.
>  >  >
>  >  > The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the
>  > herxy
>  >  > stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it
>  > can use
>  >  > for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for
>  > assimilating it
>  >  > (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability
>  > impaired
>  >  > with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the
>  > body and
>  >  > the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > >I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person
>  > could
>  >  > >look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and
>  > housework
>  >  > >needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure
>  > out
>  >  > >paperwork, at least a little.
>  >  > >Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
>  >  > >Cactus
>  >  > -----------------
>  >  > Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle
>  > II stuff
>  >  > (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are
>  > helpful in
>  >  > helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good
>  > veggies
>  >  > (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping
>  >  > phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink
>  > is vital
>  >  > (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt
>  > to
>  >  > taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a
>  > person can
>  >  > get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour
>  > or so
>  >  > away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it
>  > absorbs
>  >  > 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes,
>  > so body
>  >  > can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved
>  > alkalinity
>  >  > herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes,
>  > etc.,
>  >  > often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like
>  > a "liver
>  >  > dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this
>  > as
>  >  > enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict
>  > and
>  >  > dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and
>  > eliminated).
>  >  >
>  >  > All the best,
>  >  >
>  >  > Marc
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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#2699 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: Re: getting intelligence back 		firefox8808
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Hi Gina,


Hi Cactus,
I got my brain back I think it is actually better then before I got really sick. Occaisionally by words will slip out wrong and it scares
me, but then I realize everyone get tongue tied once in a while. My memory is recovered also. Yours will come just takes time. Gina
-----------------------
I just wanted to echo what you note.  I too had acute cognitive issues, especially focus, memory, speaking effected, and even my penmanship going to hell (reminding me of my father's as he descended into alzheimers).  However, I had the fortune (I believe I was granted a "glimpse") of having the entire complex knocked out for a period of time a few years back and everything - and I mean everything - came right back better than ever.  Which was as fascinating as it was heartening, for it meant lack of lasting 'damage' despite the acute effects.
However, the complex crept back and became severe again.  However, due to the "glimpse" I did not believe the cognitive effects were ever permanent, only reflection of microbial "load" (i.e. - if you can reduce/eliminate it, the effects go away and there is spontaneous healing). 
This turned out to be the case.  I have recovered the ol' brain box back again.  And interestingly, in the latter stages of healing, even when the body would have some herxy roller-coaster or flare, the cognitive issues never returned.  Considering the priorities the body naturally and immunologically give the brain area, this would make sense though.

All the best,

Marc







cactuskickers wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Lyme Strategies
> <lymestrategies@w...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc and Thank You,
>
> Yes, now I remember about the Advanced Section.  I have had a
> membership since December and read the info many times.  However, it
> is like the movie 50 First Dates.  The info does not stick with me.
> My Lyme-soaked brain just did not connect the information with actual
> actions that I could take.   Ain't it a pistol that when you need
> your brain the most, it can read, but not reason.  You can see the
> dots, but cannot connect them.  And, as long as we are on this
> subject, do you know if any of the recovered Lymies got their
> intelligence, logic, etc. back?  I would sure like that.
>
> I have been doing most of the adjuncts.  Do at least one green drink
> and one green salad a day.  Do all of the supplements listed. Do
> additional supplements my MD says to in a fruit smoothie every
> morning of lecithin, coconut oil, fish oil, almonds, ice, blueberries
> goat whey and probiotics.   Do Bodie Water with Real Salt.  Need to
> order some Miracle Soap, however.
>
> I guess tomorrow I will go to the drug store and get the charcoal and
> then slide on over the the aisle with the enema stuff and hope I
> don't run into anyone I know.   If you know any Norwegian Lutherans
> brought up in the Dakotas or Minnesota then you have an idea of how
> hard it is for a person to even buy the equipment, let alone
> implement the action.   Oh well, a chance to loosen up, I guess.
>
> I am really glad to hear about the deep organized layers getting
> cleared out.   This is what it feels like, whole layers of yourself
> getting reorganized.  I can hardly recognise myself day to day, if
> that makes any sense, which of course it doesn't, because lyme
> doesn't.  Oh well, now that I am reassured for the umpteenth time
> that I am okay and experiencing more or less what is predicted, I
> think I can relax and wait this herx out.
>
>
> Thanks for holding my hand.
>
> Cactus
>
>  > Hi Cactus,
>  >
>  >
>  > >Cactus here,
>  > >I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
>  > >Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
> treating
>  > >herx symptoms.
>  > -------------------------
>  > The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to
>  > recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C
> protocol.  It
>  > also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually
> expect
>  > too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is
> very
>  > consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even
> colonized)
>  > microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the
> herxes
>  > can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier
> phases.  Days
>  > and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these
> points of
>  > these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like
> someone
>  > >threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical
> symptom is
>  > >occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a
> head
>  > >injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of
> coconut
>  > >oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?
>  > -----------------------
>  > The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered
> by our
>  > researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to
> immune
>  > reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the
> immune is a
>  > much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to
> the
>  > immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages,
> etc.)
>  > becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of
> microbes
>  > that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing,
> mutation,
>  > stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the
> microbes
>  > irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells
> can "see"
>  > this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming
> proper
>  > antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune
> reactions
>  > they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-
> ish
>  > feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even
> headaches,
>  > diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have
> seen strong
>  > drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.
>  >
>  > The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the
> herxy
>  > stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it
> can use
>  > for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for
> assimilating it
>  > (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability
> impaired
>  > with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the
> body and
>  > the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person
> could
>  > >look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and
> housework
>  > >needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure
> out
>  > >paperwork, at least a little.
>  > >Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
>  > >Cactus
>  > -----------------
>  > Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle
> II stuff
>  > (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are
> helpful in
>  > helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good
> veggies
>  > (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping
>  > phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink
> is vital
>  > (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt
> to
>  > taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a
> person can
>  > get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour
> or so
>  > away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it
> absorbs
>  > 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes,
> so body
>  > can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved
> alkalinity
>  > herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes,
> etc.,
>  > often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like
> a "liver
>  > dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this
> as
>  > enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict
> and
>  > dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and
> eliminated).
>  >
>  > All the best,
>  >
>  > Marc
>
>
>
>
>
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#2698 From: "roseagain" <roseagain@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:05 am
Subject: RE: Re: getting intelligence back 		aussietickchick
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Hi Gina,
Did you get your brain back by using the salt & C?  I really hope so as I am
missing mine terribly!  LOL!
Rosemary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Kindscher (Charter) [mailto:morningsunranch@...]
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 1:51 PM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] Re: getting intelligence back

Hi Cactus,

I got my brain back I think it is actually better then before I got
really sick. Occaisionally by words will slip out wrong and it scares
me, but then I realize everyone get tongue tied once in a while. My
memory is recovered also. Yours will come just takes time. Gina

cactuskickers wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Lyme Strategies
> <lymestrategies@w...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc and Thank You,
>
> Yes, now I remember about the Advanced Section.  I have had a
> membership since December and read the info many times.  However, it
> is like the movie 50 First Dates.  The info does not stick with me.
> My Lyme-soaked brain just did not connect the information with actual
> actions that I could take.   Ain't it a pistol that when you need
> your brain the most, it can read, but not reason.  You can see the
> dots, but cannot connect them.  And, as long as we are on this
> subject, do you know if any of the recovered Lymies got their
> intelligence, logic, etc. back?  I would sure like that.
>
> I have been doing most of the adjuncts.  Do at least one green drink
> and one green salad a day.  Do all of the supplements listed. Do
> additional supplements my MD says to in a fruit smoothie every
> morning of lecithin, coconut oil, fish oil, almonds, ice, blueberries
> goat whey and probiotics.   Do Bodie Water with Real Salt.  Need to
> order some Miracle Soap, however.
>
> I guess tomorrow I will go to the drug store and get the charcoal and
> then slide on over the the aisle with the enema stuff and hope I
> don't run into anyone I know.   If you know any Norwegian Lutherans
> brought up in the Dakotas or Minnesota then you have an idea of how
> hard it is for a person to even buy the equipment, let alone
> implement the action.   Oh well, a chance to loosen up, I guess.
>
> I am really glad to hear about the deep organized layers getting
> cleared out.   This is what it feels like, whole layers of yourself
> getting reorganized.  I can hardly recognise myself day to day, if
> that makes any sense, which of course it doesn't, because lyme
> doesn't.  Oh well, now that I am reassured for the umpteenth time
> that I am okay and experiencing more or less what is predicted, I
> think I can relax and wait this herx out.
>
>
> Thanks for holding my hand.
>
> Cactus
>
>  > Hi Cactus,
>  >
>  >
>  > >Cactus here,
>  > >I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
>  > >Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
> treating
>  > >herx symptoms.
>  > -------------------------
>  > The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to
>  > recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C
> protocol.  It
>  > also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually
> expect
>  > too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is
> very
>  > consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even
> colonized)
>  > microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the
> herxes
>  > can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier
> phases.  Days
>  > and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these
> points of
>  > these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like
> someone
>  > >threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical
> symptom is
>  > >occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a
> head
>  > >injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of
> coconut
>  > >oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?
>  > -----------------------
>  > The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered
> by our
>  > researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to
> immune
>  > reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the
> immune is a
>  > much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to
> the
>  > immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages,
> etc.)
>  > becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of
> microbes
>  > that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing,
> mutation,
>  > stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the
> microbes
>  > irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells
> can "see"
>  > this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming
> proper
>  > antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune
> reactions
>  > they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-
> ish
>  > feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even
> headaches,
>  > diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have
> seen strong
>  > drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.
>  >
>  > The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the
> herxy
>  > stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it
> can use
>  > for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for
> assimilating it
>  > (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability
> impaired
>  > with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the
> body and
>  > the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person
> could
>  > >look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and
> housework
>  > >needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure
> out
>  > >paperwork, at least a little.
>  > >Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
>  > >Cactus
>  > -----------------
>  > Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle
> II stuff
>  > (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are
> helpful in
>  > helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good
> veggies
>  > (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping
>  > phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink
> is vital
>  > (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt
> to
>  > taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a
> person can
>  > get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour
> or so
>  > away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it
> absorbs
>  > 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes,
> so body
>  > can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved
> alkalinity
>  > herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes,
> etc.,
>  > often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like
> a "liver
>  > dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this
> as
>  > enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict
> and
>  > dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and
> eliminated).
>  >
>  > All the best,
>  >
>  > Marc
>
>
>
>
>
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> complete, nor should it be relied on or interpreted to suggest a course
> of treatment for any individual.  It is research information only and it
> should not be used in place of a visit, call, consultation or the advice
> of your physician or other qualified health care provider.  Information
> obtained with regards to Lyme Strategies is research only on an ongoing
> basis for review and evaluation.  Any application or implementation of
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#2697 From: "roseagain" <roseagain@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:57 am
Subject: RE: herx help 		aussietickchick
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Hi Cactus,
Try coffee enemas to dump the toxins out of the liver.  Also, infrared
sauna, Epsom salt baths and lots of good water.  Drink some fresh veggie
juices if you can.
Rosemary.

-----Original Message-----
From: cactuskickers [mailto:jillallen@...]
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 9:36 AM
To: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lymestrategies] herx help

Cactus here,

I am in my fourth month on the protocol.

Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and treating
herx symptoms.  I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I
feel like someone threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and
physical symptom is occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu
combined with a head injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along
with a lot of coconut oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this
contributing?   I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list
that a person could look at to feel "anchored" ?
I just cannot get past it and housework needs doing and April 15 is
coming and I need to be able to figure out paperwork, at least a little.


Thank you for any specific info anyone has.

Cactus








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#2696 From: "Jeff and Bobbi Bishop" <bishopjb@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:36 am
Subject: Re: chest pain~Peg 		wadobato
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Hi, Peg,

I'm sure that you are very right about a LL cardiologist being a rare breed.
I did get in contact with a naturopathic cardiologist via a call-in
television show this week.  Most of what he suggested that I do are things
that I am already doing.  There were a few suggestions that I will add, such
as regularly taking ginger and cayenne for chronic inflammation.  I already
used the ginger when I was having a particularly bad bout of chest pain and
there has been alot of discussion lately about the benefits of cayenne on
this board.  It was a very interesting contact and I am amazed at how God
provided for this opportunity.

As far as learning about women's symptoms vs men's, I wonder how to go about
finding that info.  Any ideas?

God bless,
Bobbi

God bless,

Bobbi
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg


>
> HI Boobi,
> I guess I would read up on the symptoms for a heart
> attacks in women. Remember womens symptoms trend to be
> different than mens. Ask your Dr. as well so that you
> can be able to determine the difference.
>
> It could give you a little peace of mind. Sorry don't
> know any LL cardiologist. I would think they are a
> rare breed.
> PegS
>
>
> --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...> wrote:
>> I have an appointment with my LLMD in May and will
>> mention that to him as I
>> hadn't thought about asking for another EKG.
>>
>> Knowing when it is beyond the Lyme is difficult.  I
>> really wish I could find
>> a Lyme literate cardiologist.  Believe me, I depend
>> on the Lord for a lot of
>> strength and wisdom as there are times when I really
>> debate going to the
>> emergency room.  Apparently, the Lord isn't finished
>> with me yet.  :)
>>
>> God bless,
>> Bobbi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peg Sutherland" <rueruel@...>
>> To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi Bobbi,
>> >
>> > Just make sure that you know when these symptoms
>> are
>> > more than the lyme disease.
>> >
>> > I am sure you are keeping track of the symptoms.
>> It
>> > never hurts to have an EKG done once a year to see
>> if
>> > there are any changes. Since you have a baseline
>> your
>> > LLMD can keep a handle on it.
>> >
>> > PegS
>> > --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
>> wrote:
>> >> Hi, Peg,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I have had it checked out for the past few
>> >> years over and over again.
>> >> The problem is that I know that I do have heart
>> >> problems as they showed up
>> >> on echocardiograms, ekgs, holter monitors, and
>> >> stress tests, although the
>> >> stress tests and ekgs were borderline /
>> >> questionable.  The first doctor who
>> >> found the Lyme verified the heart issues and said
>> >> that this was to be
>> >> expected as a result of my main illnesses.  My
>> >> current LLMD does not
>> >> question the validity of the heart issues either.
>> >> Before I went to these
>> >> two docs, most doctors just wrote me off as
>> >> depressed and anxious.  So I
>> >> refuse to go to a cardiologist who isn't Lyme
>> >> literate.  I won't put myself
>> >> through that again.  Anyone know of a Lyme
>> literate
>> >> cardiologist?
>> >> Anywhere??
>> >>
>> >> Since the symptoms have returned after a long
>> period
>> >> without such severe
>> >> heart problems, I am just trying to connect the
>> dots
>> >> and figure out what I
>> >> am doing that could be bringing this whole
>> scenario
>> >> back to the forefront.
>> >>
>> >> God bless,
>> >> Bobbi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Peg Sutherland wrote:
>> >> >> HI Boobi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just a couple of questions for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1.Have you checked with an MD about your chest
>> >> pains?
>> >> >> 2. Did they find any thing wrong?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just over
>> my
>> >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt like
>> >> someone
>> >> >> was sticking me with a knife or something. I
>> >> found out
>> >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just a thought.
>>
>>
>
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#2695 From: "Jeff and Bobbi Bishop" <bishopjb@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:26 am
Subject: Re: Leaky gut? 		wadobato
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Subject: [lymestrategies] Leaky gut?


>
>
> No idea if I asked this here already. Any good ideas to fix a leaky gut?
>
>
>
>
>
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#2694 From: "hohner40" <hohner40@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:19 am
Subject: Re: herx help 		hohner40
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Hi Cactus --

I don't know of a website re: herxes specifically, sorry.  FWIW,
though, I have in the past described my experiments with whey as
feeling like "being kicked in the head repeatedly".

--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, "cactuskickers"
<jillallen@c...> wrote:
>
> Cactus here,
>
> I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
>
> Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and treating
> herx symptoms.  I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I
> feel like someone threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and
> physical symptom is occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu
> combined with a head injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along
> with a lot of coconut oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this
> contributing?   I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list
> that a person could look at to feel "anchored" ?
> I just cannot get past it and housework needs doing and April 15 is
> coming and I need to be able to figure out paperwork, at least a little.
>
>
> Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
>
> Cactus

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#2693 From: "Gina Kindscher (Charter)" <morningsunranch@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: getting intelligence back 		ginakindscher
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Hi Cactus,

I got my brain back I think it is actually better then before I got
really sick. Occaisionally by words will slip out wrong and it scares
me, but then I realize everyone get tongue tied once in a while. My
memory is recovered also. Yours will come just takes time. Gina

cactuskickers wrote:
>
> --- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Lyme Strategies
> <lymestrategies@w...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc and Thank You,
>
> Yes, now I remember about the Advanced Section.  I have had a
> membership since December and read the info many times.  However, it
> is like the movie 50 First Dates.  The info does not stick with me.
> My Lyme-soaked brain just did not connect the information with actual
> actions that I could take.   Ain't it a pistol that when you need
> your brain the most, it can read, but not reason.  You can see the
> dots, but cannot connect them.  And, as long as we are on this
> subject, do you know if any of the recovered Lymies got their
> intelligence, logic, etc. back?  I would sure like that.
>
> I have been doing most of the adjuncts.  Do at least one green drink
> and one green salad a day.  Do all of the supplements listed. Do
> additional supplements my MD says to in a fruit smoothie every
> morning of lecithin, coconut oil, fish oil, almonds, ice, blueberries
> goat whey and probiotics.   Do Bodie Water with Real Salt.  Need to
> order some Miracle Soap, however.
>
> I guess tomorrow I will go to the drug store and get the charcoal and
> then slide on over the the aisle with the enema stuff and hope I
> don't run into anyone I know.   If you know any Norwegian Lutherans
> brought up in the Dakotas or Minnesota then you have an idea of how
> hard it is for a person to even buy the equipment, let alone
> implement the action.   Oh well, a chance to loosen up, I guess.
>
> I am really glad to hear about the deep organized layers getting
> cleared out.   This is what it feels like, whole layers of yourself
> getting reorganized.  I can hardly recognise myself day to day, if
> that makes any sense, which of course it doesn't, because lyme
> doesn't.  Oh well, now that I am reassured for the umpteenth time
> that I am okay and experiencing more or less what is predicted, I
> think I can relax and wait this herx out.
>
>
> Thanks for holding my hand.
>
> Cactus
>
>  > Hi Cactus,
>  >
>  >
>  > >Cactus here,
>  > >I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
>  > >Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
> treating
>  > >herx symptoms.
>  > -------------------------
>  > The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to
>  > recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C
> protocol.  It
>  > also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually
> expect
>  > too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is
> very
>  > consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even
> colonized)
>  > microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the
> herxes
>  > can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier
> phases.  Days
>  > and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these
> points of
>  > these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like
> someone
>  > >threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical
> symptom is
>  > >occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a
> head
>  > >injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of
> coconut
>  > >oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?
>  > -----------------------
>  > The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered
> by our
>  > researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to
> immune
>  > reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the
> immune is a
>  > much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to
> the
>  > immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages,
> etc.)
>  > becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of
> microbes
>  > that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing,
> mutation,
>  > stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the
> microbes
>  > irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells
> can "see"
>  > this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming
> proper
>  > antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune
> reactions
>  > they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-
> ish
>  > feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even
> headaches,
>  > diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have
> seen strong
>  > drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.
>  >
>  > The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the
> herxy
>  > stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it
> can use
>  > for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for
> assimilating it
>  > (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability
> impaired
>  > with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the
> body and
>  > the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.
>  >
>  >
>  > >I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person
> could
>  > >look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and
> housework
>  > >needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure
> out
>  > >paperwork, at least a little.
>  > >Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
>  > >Cactus
>  > -----------------
>  > Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle
> II stuff
>  > (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are
> helpful in
>  > helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good
> veggies
>  > (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping
>  > phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink
> is vital
>  > (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt
> to
>  > taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a
> person can
>  > get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour
> or so
>  > away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it
> absorbs
>  > 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes,
> so body
>  > can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved
> alkalinity
>  > herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes,
> etc.,
>  > often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like
> a "liver
>  > dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this
> as
>  > enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict
> and
>  > dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and
> eliminated).
>  >
>  > All the best,
>  >
>  > Marc
>
>
>
>
>
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#2692 From: "cactuskickers" <jillallen@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:29 am
Subject: Re: herx help 		cactuskickers
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--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, Lyme Strategies
<lymestrategies@w...> wrote:

Hi Marc and Thank You,

Yes, now I remember about the Advanced Section.  I have had a
membership since December and read the info many times.  However, it
is like the movie 50 First Dates.  The info does not stick with me.
My Lyme-soaked brain just did not connect the information with actual
actions that I could take.   Ain't it a pistol that when you need
your brain the most, it can read, but not reason.  You can see the
dots, but cannot connect them.  And, as long as we are on this
subject, do you know if any of the recovered Lymies got their
intelligence, logic, etc. back?  I would sure like that.

I have been doing most of the adjuncts.  Do at least one green drink
and one green salad a day.  Do all of the supplements listed. Do
additional supplements my MD says to in a fruit smoothie every
morning of lecithin, coconut oil, fish oil, almonds, ice, blueberries
goat whey and probiotics.   Do Bodie Water with Real Salt.  Need to
order some Miracle Soap, however.

I guess tomorrow I will go to the drug store and get the charcoal and
then slide on over the the aisle with the enema stuff and hope I
don't run into anyone I know.   If you know any Norwegian Lutherans
brought up in the Dakotas or Minnesota then you have an idea of how
hard it is for a person to even buy the equipment, let alone
implement the action.   Oh well, a chance to loosen up, I guess.

I am really glad to hear about the deep organized layers getting
cleared out.   This is what it feels like, whole layers of yourself
getting reorganized.  I can hardly recognise myself day to day, if
that makes any sense, which of course it doesn't, because lyme
doesn't.  Oh well, now that I am reassured for the umpteenth time
that I am okay and experiencing more or less what is predicted, I
think I can relax and wait this herx out.


Thanks for holding my hand.

Cactus

> Hi Cactus,
>
>
> >Cactus here,
> >I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
> >Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and
treating
> >herx symptoms.
> -------------------------
> The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to
> recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C
protocol.  It
> also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually
expect
> too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is
very
> consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even
colonized)
> microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the
herxes
> can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier
phases.  Days
> and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these
points of
> these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.
>
>
> >I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like
someone
> >threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical
symptom is
> >occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a
head
> >injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of
coconut
> >oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?
> -----------------------
> The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered
by our
> researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to
immune
> reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the
immune is a
> much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to
the
> immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages,
etc.)
> becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of
microbes
> that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing,
mutation,
> stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the
microbes
> irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells
can "see"
> this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming
proper
> antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune
reactions
> they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-
ish
> feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even
headaches,
> diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have
seen strong
> drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.
>
> The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the
herxy
> stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it
can use
> for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for
assimilating it
> (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability
impaired
> with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the
body and
> the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.
>
>
> >I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person
could
> >look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and
housework
> >needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure
out
> >paperwork, at least a little.
> >Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
> >Cactus
> -----------------
> Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle
II stuff
> (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are
helpful in
> helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good
veggies
> (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping
> phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink
is vital
> (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt
to
> taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a
person can
> get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour
or so
> away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it
absorbs
> 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes,
so body
> can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved
alkalinity
> herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes,
etc.,
> often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like
a "liver
> dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this
as
> enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict
and
> dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and
eliminated).
>
> All the best,
>
> Marc

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#2691 From: Peg Sutherland <rueruel@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:23 am
Subject: Re: chest pain~Peg 		rueruel
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HI Boobi,
I guess I would read up on the symptoms for a heart
attacks in women. Remember womens symptoms trend to be
different than mens. Ask your Dr. as well so that you
can be able to determine the difference.

It could give you a little peace of mind. Sorry don't
know any LL cardiologist. I would think they are a
rare breed.
PegS


--- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...> wrote:
> I have an appointment with my LLMD in May and will
> mention that to him as I
> hadn't thought about asking for another EKG.
>
> Knowing when it is beyond the Lyme is difficult.  I
> really wish I could find
> a Lyme literate cardiologist.  Believe me, I depend
> on the Lord for a lot of
> strength and wisdom as there are times when I really
> debate going to the
> emergency room.  Apparently, the Lord isn't finished
> with me yet.  :)
>
> God bless,
> Bobbi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peg Sutherland" <rueruel@...>
> To: <lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [lymestrategies] chest pain~Peg
>
>
> >
> > Hi Bobbi,
> >
> > Just make sure that you know when these symptoms
> are
> > more than the lyme disease.
> >
> > I am sure you are keeping track of the symptoms.
> It
> > never hurts to have an EKG done once a year to see
> if
> > there are any changes. Since you have a baseline
> your
> > LLMD can keep a handle on it.
> >
> > PegS
> > --- Jeff and Bobbi Bishop <bishopjb@...>
> wrote:
> >> Hi, Peg,
> >>
> >> Yes, I have had it checked out for the past few
> >> years over and over again.
> >> The problem is that I know that I do have heart
> >> problems as they showed up
> >> on echocardiograms, ekgs, holter monitors, and
> >> stress tests, although the
> >> stress tests and ekgs were borderline /
> >> questionable.  The first doctor who
> >> found the Lyme verified the heart issues and said
> >> that this was to be
> >> expected as a result of my main illnesses.  My
> >> current LLMD does not
> >> question the validity of the heart issues either.
> >> Before I went to these
> >> two docs, most doctors just wrote me off as
> >> depressed and anxious.  So I
> >> refuse to go to a cardiologist who isn't Lyme
> >> literate.  I won't put myself
> >> through that again.  Anyone know of a Lyme
> literate
> >> cardiologist?
> >> Anywhere??
> >>
> >> Since the symptoms have returned after a long
> period
> >> without such severe
> >> heart problems, I am just trying to connect the
> dots
> >> and figure out what I
> >> am doing that could be bringing this whole
> scenario
> >> back to the forefront.
> >>
> >> God bless,
> >> Bobbi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Peg Sutherland wrote:
> >> >> HI Boobi,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a couple of questions for you.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.Have you checked with an MD about your chest
> >> pains?
> >> >> 2. Did they find any thing wrong?
> >> >>
> >> >> One of my lyme symptoms was a pain just over
> my
> >> >> sternum were the ribs connect. It felt like
> >> someone
> >> >> was sticking me with a knife or something. I
> >> found out
> >> >> it was an inflammation of the cartilage.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a thought.
>
>



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#2690 From: "cactuskickers" <jillallen@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:43 am
Subject: Re: herx help 		cactuskickers
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--- In lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com, levingo@e... wrote:Hi\\

Hi Levingo,

I am diagnosed with hypercoagulation.  I was taking natto for it, but
the lumbrokinase evidently does a better job.  I had forgotten that was
one of my problems.  I just cannot keep track of everything I have and
what each thing I take is supposed to do.  Thanks for pointing out this
information to me.  It makes perfect sense.

Cactus.>

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#2689 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:31 am
Subject: Re: herx help 		firefox8808
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Hi Cactus,


Cactus here,
I am in my fourth month on the protocol.
Does anyone know of a website or resource for recognizing and treating herx symptoms. 
-------------------------
The Advanced Member Section specifically describes herxes so as to recognize them - expressly as relates to lyme and the S/C protocol.  It also notes the common timeframes or "periods" a person can usually expect too along the way.  You are at the 16-17 week period, and this is very consistent with hitting "deeper", more entrenched (and even colonized) microbes.  In these later phases (especially at the 9-10 month) the herxes can not only be pronounced, but can last longer then earlier phases.  Days and even weeks is not unheard of.  It takes awhile to reach these points of these areas finally succumbing to the relentless S/C application.


I have been miserable for going on five days now.  I feel like someone threw me in a blender.  Every imaginable mental and physical symptom is occurring. It feels like a bad case of the flu combined with a head injury/concussion.   I added whey to my diet along with a lot of coconut oil and lecithin and lumbrokinase.   Is this contributing?  
-----------------------
The feeling particularly of "flu-like" symps is actually considered by our researchers to be a highly desirable indicator, as it points to immune reaction, and the eventual "tweaking" or "switching on" of the immune is a much desired signpost along the way.  We suspect it correlates to the immune cells (white cells, killer cells, lymphocytes, macrophages, etc.) becoming more and more "programmed" by particles and remnants of microbes that they had a hard time "seeing" before because of morphing, mutation, stealth tactics, and so on.  However, the protocol nukes the microbes irregardless of growth stage, form, etc., so now the immune cells can "see" this debris and go "wait, what's this?" and start programming proper antibodies for them.  Then a person starts to experience immune reactions they should have had before - chills, sweats, some temp/fever, flu-ish feelings, congestions, "massy" head, or lightheadedness, even headaches, diarrhea, nausea, and so on.  Some folks at the 9-10 month have seen strong drenching sweats occur where they had little or none before.

The whey, coconut oil, lecithin, etc., are likely not causing the herxy stuff.  The body is battling and these are just raw materials it can use for the battle.  The good fats (coconut oil) and help for assimilating it (the lecithin - as most lymies have their fat-absorption ability impaired with the lyme), is a great choice.  Fats are vitally needed by the body and the immune, and are even anti-microbial, anti-viral, etc.


I know I am rambling, but is their any kind of list that a person could look at to feel "anchored" ?  I just cannot get past it and housework needs doing and April 15 is coming and I need to be able to figure out paperwork, at least a little. 
Thank you for any specific info anyone has.
Cactus
-----------------
Try and give your body as much herx-aids as possible:  the Miracle II stuff (especially the Neutralizer and the Soap for soaking baths) are helpful in helping the body rid the toxins and raises pH (alkalizes).  Good veggies (especially with high-water content) have a host of herx-helping phytonutrients and electrolytes.  The "Bodie Water" mineral drink is vital (Concentrace liquid minerals in water and RealSalt or Krystal salt to taste).  A lot of it and of good pure water in general.  Also, a person can get good activated charcoal from he health food store and take hour or so away from supps and S/C (like late before bed for instance) as it absorbs 1000x its weight in toxins, chemicals, metals, even dead microbes, so body can then eliminate them.  With reduction of toxins and improved alkalinity herxes become mitigated.  (This is why many find herxes, migrianes, etc., often stopped in its tracks with coffee enemas, as it is like a "liver dialysis" where the caffeine from the coffee - and only does this as enemas, not when drunk orally - causes the liver ducts to constrict and dump toxins from the liver wholesale into the alimentary tract and eliminated).

All the best,

Marc



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#2688 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:22 am
Subject: Re: Leaky gut? 		firefox8808
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Hi Mike,


No idea if I asked this here already. Any good ideas to fix a leaky gut?
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L-Glutamine 3.7 g
N-Acetyl-D- Glucosamine  185 mg
Slippery Elm (Ulmus rubra) (bark) powdered 110 mg
Stevia (Stevia rebaudiana) (leaves), dried extract 30 mg
Glandular Complex with Epithelial Growth Factor 70 mg
MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane) 160 mg

Suggested Use:
As a dietary supplement, 1 to 3 level  tablespoons daily, or as directed by a healthcare practitioner. Sensitive individuals may want to start with a lower dose and increase gradually. Best taken 1 hour before or after a meal.


All the best,

Marc

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#2687 From: Lyme Strategies <lymestrategies@...>
Date: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:58 am
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Hi Tom,



Ive had something similar for over 3 months they itch like crazy, I get them mostly on my thighs and legs some on arms. I just started using a infared heat lamp on them and it seems to help. When ever an area starts to itch I zap it with the heat lamp and it stops itching. Get the 250 watt red bulb type. I bought the bulb at the hardware store and stuck it in an old lamp I had.I put the lamp real close to the skin and really heat it good. Put the face of the bulb close to the skin and hold it until you cant stand it.....Tom
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Not a medical doctor, yada, yada.  However, this is quite consistent with micro-parasites at/near the skin surface.  The S/C can drive them toward the surface as well.  heat/saunas are good for this.  Also helpful is Pomegranate extract with Ellagic Acid (Puritan's Pride) taken over time.

All the best,

Marc


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