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Re: Non S/CA possible myth: Magnesium feeds lyme   Message List  
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Hi Phil R and all,

Marc has made several references to Bb consuming magnesium...


Here is a more recent reference Marc has made Bb feeding off of Magnesium, post #81802

<<<<<Re: [lymestrategies] Non Salt/C: Racing Heart

Hi Lymegal,

Potassium is an electrolyte that interacts with calcium, magnesium and others in many metabolic actions.
Low potassium levels can see racing heart and is often recommended for it.
Lesser known is that calcium is the electrolytic mineral that causes muscles to contract.  Magnesium causes them to relax.
The heart is a muscle as well.  Calcium is what causes it to contract in a beat, magnesium relaxes it for the next beat.  They work back and forth.
Where magnesium is also a little low, the relaxation time may be a little shorter, so the effect can be a quickening of pulse.
Lymies typically are deficient in magnesium too because Bb feeds on it.
However, the best is to take it as CalMag, a 2:1 calcium to magnesium mix.  The potassium electrolyte can be low too where the others are off.
Some folks find a little Cream of Tartar in warm water sipped helps as well as with irregular pulse (it is inexpensive potassium bitartrate) and is anti-fungal too.

For overall heart health, Hawthorn is the best (used it a lot in remedying my atrial fibrillation and acute arrhythmia years ago).

Onward & upward,

Marc>>>>>>>>


Post # 81860


<<<<Re: Non Salt/C: Racing Heart...Mg


Yes, Bryan is correct.  That research came out a few years back that rather than parasiting iron (as many microbes do, such as Babesia), Borrelia b. parasites magnesium.

You can find the abstracts.  This, long with electrolyte drain, is why Lymies are typically low in magnesium as well as other minerals.
Thus our long-standing proviso for minerals (like Concentrace) as integral part of the protocol.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14979639?dopt=Abstract

"Lyme disease: A Look Beyond Antibiotics
"Dietrich K.Klinghardt, MD, PhD
"Most depleted minerals in our Lyme patients are often copper, magnesium, manganese (in Lyme) and iron (in Babesiosis). Bb and Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the hosts body rapidly. Copper and iron have all but disappeared from most of our supplements based on faulty interpretation of hair analysis. The immune system uses those two metals in the process of phagocytosis"

"ADVANCED TOPICS IN LYME DISEASE
"DIAGNOSTIC HINTS AND TREATMENT GUIDELINES FOR LYME AND OTHER TICK BORNE ILLNESSES
Sixteenth Edition
JOSEPH J. BURRASCANO JR., M.D.
Board Member,
International Lyme and Associated
Diseases Society
"Magnesium deficiency is very often present and quite severe. Hyperreflexia, muscle twitches, myocardial irritability, poor stamina and recurrent tight muscle spasms are clues to this deficiency."

Onward & upward,

Marc>>>>>>>>


Post # 80066

<<<<Re: [lymestrategies] Severe stomach Problems with Lyme

Hi Mary Ellen,

You might consider getting Homozon.
It is ozone bonded to magnesium which is released in the digestive and alimentary tract.
Lymies are notoriously drained of magnesium which the Bb feeds upon, so that is a plus.
But the larger benefit is the ozone.  Stomach issues, pain, constipation are all consistent with low positive flora relative to bad, pathogenic bacteria, yeast and parasites.  Over time, with use, the Homozon helps clean the tract and kill these things off.
Supplementing with probiotics will help as well.
http://www.healthsprings.net/Homozon/homozon.html


Onward & upward,

Marc>>>>



Take care,
Jim

Salt/C, EMEM, MMS ozone

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7a. A possible myth: Magnesium feeds lyme
Posted by: "Phil Rich" philrich@... philcr2004
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 6:44 am ((PDT))
Hi everybody,
My congratulations to Robin and Sue who have reached the same conclusion as
I about whether magnesium is a food for lyme. I hesitated to start this
discussion up on the group previous to this, but the fact is I have NEVER
been able to find a single study that proves that ANY pathogen feeds off
magnesium. I would LOVE to see any factual information that shows
differently. I have been on the lyme groups since 2004 and the statement
that "Magnesium feeds spirochetes" has been stated as fact for all that
time. If someone has a link to ANY study that proves this, please forward it
up.
If this is a myth, it needs to stop. I already know some lymies who hesitate
using magnesium because of this potential myth - much to their damage if it
is just a myth!! Lyme disease is an inflammatory infection - magnesium is
used by cells to counter inflammation. To quote: "Clearly, numerous
inflammatory responses have the potential to develop in the wake of
magnesium deficiency.7 " referenced from: Durlach J, Bac P, Bara M,
Guiet-Bara A. Physiopathology of symptomatic and latent forms of central
nervous system hyperexcitability due to magnesium deficiency: a current
general scheme. Magnes Res 2000;13:293-302.
As to Dr K stating that lyme feeds off magnesium in the gut... Could we have
a reference from where/when Dr K said this? There is no mention of this on
his website, and in fact he recommends taking magnesium.
If he indeed HAS stated that lyme feeds off magnesium in the gut... I have
ABSOLUTE respect for this man. I don't know how he has formulated this
opinion and would equally be interested in seeing any research he has done
in this field. Even if it is his intuition that guides him in make this
statement, I for one am willing to certainly consider it - given how much
experience he has treating lyme. But until I see a reference where he states
it, I'll just hang fire a bit :-)
Let the conversation begin :-)
Phil



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