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Re: [lymestrategies] A possible myth: Magnesium feeds lyme

I wish I knew this too.  I want to take magnesium because my nervous system is so in need of it but I'm afraid to because Dr. Fry says it feeds the bartonella bug and I've got that big time.
He's the one who's been doing the actual research on the bartonella bug himself so he must know.  I don't have any references to forward though.
 
Sandra
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Rich
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: [lymestrategies] A possible myth: Magnesium feeds lyme

Hi everybody,

My congratulations to Robin and Sue who have reached the same conclusion as I about whether magnesium is a food for lyme. I hesitated to start this discussion up on the group previous to this, but the fact is I have NEVER been able to find a single study that proves that ANY pathogen feeds off magnesium. I would LOVE to see any factual information that shows differently. I have been on the lyme groups since 2004 and the statement that "Magnesium feeds spirochetes" has been stated as fact for all that time. If someone has a link to ANY study that proves this, please forward it up.

If this is a myth, it needs to stop. I already know some lymies who hesitate using magnesium because of this potential myth - much to their damage if it is just a myth!! Lyme disease is an inflammatory infection - magnesium is used by cells to counter inflammation. To quote: "Clearly, numerous inflammatory responses have the potential to develop in the wake of magnesium deficiency.7 " referenced from: Durlach J, Bac P, Bara M, Guiet-Bara A. Physiopathology of symptomatic and latent forms of central nervous system hyperexcitability due to magnesium deficiency: a current general scheme. Magnes Res 2000;13:293-302.

As to Dr K stating that lyme feeds off magnesium in the gut... Could we have a reference from where/when Dr K said this? There is no mention of this on his website, and in fact he recommends taking magnesium.

If he indeed HAS stated that lyme feeds off magnesium in the gut... I have ABSOLUTE respect for this man. I don't know how he has formulated this opinion and would equally be interested in seeing any research he has done in this field. Even if it is his intuition that guides him in make this statement, I for one am willing to certainly consider it - given how much experience he has treating lyme. But until I see a reference where he states it, I'll just hang fire a bit :-)

Let the conversation begin :-)

Phil




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Hi everybody, My congratulations to Robin and Sue who have reached the same conclusion as I about whether magnesium is a food for lyme. I hesitated to start...
Phil Rich
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Jul 5, 2009
1:44 pm

Hi Phil,   As noted before, magnesium and manganese are seperate elements (Mg and Mn, respectively, in the periodic table). A dated study was done that...
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I wish I knew this too. I want to take magnesium because my nervous system is so in need of it but I'm afraid to because Dr. Fry says it feeds the bartonella...
Sandra Gikas
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Jul 5, 2009
4:27 pm

Garry Gordon at the LIA conference last week said quote "There should be NO RESTRICTION of magnesium with Lyme". Shelly...
Shelly
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Jul 5, 2009
7:37 pm

I've also heard this for years without seeing anything to back it up. As with any nutrient, like b-12 or iron for example and other bacteria, it is possible...
sean carson
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Jul 6, 2009
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Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the host's body rapidly. http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf Common deficiencies in...
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Jul 5, 2009
8:59 pm

Thanks for the props, Phil - I appreciate your remarks!  I, too, would like to stop seeing this "myth" unless something surfaces to back it up. I am also...
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Jul 6, 2009
12:03 am

Interestin Sue... OK.. so manganese is also supplemented in PKU.. So it seems supplement because your body NEEDS it... ? Robin...
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Jul 7, 2009
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you have to take mag to chelate so I really don't care, I am taking it. I eat sugar too and that feeds yeast, but I love my sugar. Shelly...
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Jul 6, 2009
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I'm with you Shelly, but I'm tryin'! _____ From: lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lymestrategies@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Badaboom Sent: Monday,...
Nancy Wilson
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Jul 7, 2009
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I love your honesty! :)...
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Jul 7, 2009
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I understand that it is not wonderful if magnesium feeds Lyme/Bartonella etc........... but my understanding is also that if there is no free magnesium...
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Jul 7, 2009
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Just more anecdotal comment, but thought I'd share this excerpt from: ...
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