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Re: Responding to Mumbai


On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:44 PM, msaithal <msaithal@...> wrote:
I've signed up recently, and this is my first post.

As of just now, many innocent hostages may lose their lives.

Should the commandos be called off you think?

In this case, and in general too, evil must be resisted , fought, and
overcome...clinically.

I am a practising surgeon. I dont have any ill will towards my
patient's gangrenous arm, but I choose to use my knife to cut it
away, to save his life. It can hardly be called retribution.....and I
think is beyond the scope of positive thoughts and vibrations.

The highest and purest form of knowledge and conciousness, and all
the love and forgiveness could not save Nalanda from being virtually
razed to the ground, precious knowledge lost forever, and Buddhist
monks from being all but exterminated by invaders many centuries
ago... but for stiff resistance and repulsion by the Kshatriya king
there.

If I am to spread my knowledge of the eternal truth, I must be strong
enough to defend myself against anyone who intends to slash me with
his sword. If I cant, I may die forgiving him, but doesnt it signify
the victory of evil, over good?

Regards,
Manoj Aithal
Mumbai.
 
 
 
Hi Manoj,
 
Thank-you for raising these genuine questions. 
 
To percievie the "Divine Order" in this incident is not about positive thinking.
 
It is about understanding the full spectrum of the incident.
 
There isn't a shadow without light.
 
Can we honour both, the shadow and the light?
 
Nor is it about being passive and advocating some superficial kind of "love" that is afraid of
 
defending lives and the security of an entire city.
 
Actions will need to be taken and will inevitably be taken.
 
However we also know that actions can be motivated by different levels of consciousness.
 
For example : making a donation can be motivated by a hunger for fame, or by a joyous wish to support a cause.
 
Similarly taking appropriate actions is entirely necessary in this situation.
 
However actions clouded by rage, fear and revenge never benefit anyone in the long run.
 
Actions taken with detachment, awareness and compassion always do.
 
Percieving Divine Order is the essence of wisdom, and far beyond positive and negative thinking.
 
As a surgeon you are motivated by compassion, not anger when you remove diseased parts.
 
It is possible to have a similar motivation when dealing with these people, who are also sick after all.
 
If both sides are angry and self-righteous...how can one side claim to be fundamentally different from the other?
 
If Nalanda could have been avoided by an army, then how come the US and India 
 
and so many other contries are suffering today despite having huge armies?
 
Creation and destruction is as natural as inhaling and exhaling. It applies to mountains, oceans, nations & religions.
 
Even so, The Buddha never asked any king to disband their army. He taught people how to find freedom within.
 
And the way to do that is by deactivating the seeds of violence within.
 
That is when balanced action can be taken, which is truly beneficial.
 
And this is not mere philosophy...it can be practiced.
 
I for one cannot bring myself to fault anyone in this whole incident.
 
Everyone is fulfilling their Dharma and reaping their karma.
 
And death, as far as I am concerned, is not a tragedy...any more than birth is.
 
We come from essence and return to essence.
 
Few however ever learn to live from essence...to see the world through eyes of essence.
 
Anyway, most people reading these messages are not out there fighting those individuals!
 
Yet they might be fighting what has happened within.
 
The purpose of the message is to calm the inner vicissitude by offering a different perspective.
 
The perspective of the Divine Dance, the Divine Drama, indeed...the Divine Comedy
 
This drama of life will continue!
 
Did you know that all of us exist today because of a HUGE explosion?
 
Scientists tell us that after the universe was formed, stars exploded into supernovas...
 
and the resulting nuclear reactions created all the known elements!
 
We are all STARS! As we are made of star dust.
 
So explosions aren't entirely bad...sometimes great beauty can also emerge from them!
 
Divine Order prevails.
 
Only love and Best wishes...
 
Nithya 
 
 


--- In lovingsilence@yahoogroups.com, "Nithya Shanti"
<nithyashanti@...> wrote:
>
> So we can respond to the incidents in mumbai
>
> with shock and horror and anger and rage
>
> and thats exactly what the people who did this
>
> wanted to evoke in us anyway
>
> Or we can choose to respond by contemplating
>
> the Divine Order manifesting even in this incident
>
> And when we look closely there is Divine Order
>
> there is nothing but Divine Order
>
> Infact every event in space-time is pure love
>
> how is that?
>
> isn't it true that
>
> incidents like this bring us all closer together
>
> they toss us out of our comfort zones
>
> and remind us to find true security within
>
> they force us to question what we normally dont
>
> they remind us that life is so precious
>
> many people's lives have changed
>
> and despite the trauma today
>
> many will learn positive lessons from their experience
>
> many will discover resources of strength
>
> and courage and service and sacrifice
>
> and compassion and generosity
>
> that they never knew they had
>
> many boys will become men
>
> many girls will become women
>
> many turn to god for solace
>
> and many will turn away from outer gods
>
> to seek their own truth within
>
> great growth always comes
>
> from great challenges
>
> and challenges are never pleasant
>
> but on hindsight
>
> always essential
>
> people have died
>
> have been injured
>
> have lost loved ones
>
> have been psychologically wounded
>
> and yet the cycles of life
>
> will lift them up again
>
> like the seed rising from the mud
>
> and rising towards the sun
>
> So there is a profound Divine Order
>
> at every moment
>
> some will percieve it
>
> and will access its liberating power
>
> and reflect that power through their
>
> heart intentions
>
> in unconditional love towards all who struggle today
>
> and this is master consciousness
>
> and of-course most will deny
>
> all such talk of order
>
> as nonsense
>
> and demand justice
>
> and retaliation
>
> and divide their world
>
> into the prosecutors and prosecuted
>
> and thereby divide
>
> their heart
>
> and their love
>
> and thereby limit themselves
>
> and their ability to help and heal
>
> because to deny love
>
> to anybody
>
> is to deny ourself
>
> the experience of love
>
> and this is mass consciousness
>
> so this message
>
> is an invitation
>
> to return to our center
>
> our source
>
> where we recognize
>
> that the world is but a reflection
>
> of our world within
>
> so long as there is violence within us
>
> so long as there are "right" and "wrong"
>
> voices within us
>
> there will be such events
>
> we percieve outside as well
>
> this is an opportunity to heal
>
> this is an opportunity to grow
>
> this is an opportunity to pray
>
> to love
>
> to say "i'm sorry, I love you!"
>
> to our wounded selves
>
> and the people in our lives
>
> because as we empower ourselves
>
> and percieve the Divine Order
>
> manifesting right now
>
> we become a part of the soul-ution.
>
> and the onward march of the universe
>
> shifts in response
>
> to our larger heart
>
> and wider consiousness
>
> let there be peace within each one of you
>
> let there be love
>
> let there be love
>
> om
>
> shanti
>
> shanti
>
> shanti
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "There is so much to do.
> There is so little time.
> We must go slowly."
> - Taoist saying
>
>
> www.lovingsilence.org
>





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"There is so much to do.
There is so little time.
We must go slowly."
- Taoist saying


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So we can respond to the incidents in mumbai with shock and horror and anger and rage and thats exactly what the people who did this wanted to evoke in us...
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... Hi Manoj, Thank-you for raising these genuine questions. To percievie the "Divine Order" in this incident is not about positive thinking. It is about...
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