Hi All!<br><br>I just want to take this
opportunity to welcome all the new members to this club and
to encourage you to<br><br>(1) pray for one
another,<br><br>(2) share your views and experiences,<br><br>(3)
visit the links, and<br><br>(4) visit my personal home
page.<br><br>May the Lord give each one of us the victory over
whatever would hinder us in our walk with Him, our worship
of Him, and our service to Him. And, in the
meantime, may His grace be sufficient for us in every
circumstance, every trial, and every temptation.<br><br>In
Christ's love,<br><br>Punchbug2

God bless you, Jodi! What a lovely message! Thank
you ever so much! May your New Year be bright,
blessed, and as beautiful as you are! And may the Lord
give us both the victory over every weight, every
care, and the sin that so easily besets us!

Hi Punchbug, hope your Christmas was nice and hope you have a safe and Happy New
Year too.  May God bless you in all you do this coming year take care. (smile)

Hi!<br><br>I just wanted to take this opportunity
to wish all my recovering female bashers a wonderful
Christmas and a bright and blessed New Year!<br><br>Let
your New Year's resolution be that you will try to be
extra kind and loving to women. And pray that God will
minister healing and grace in your relationship with
women--for nothing is impossible with Him!<br><br>In
Christ's love,<br><br>Punchbug2

Hi!<br><br>If you have not already visited my
personal home page, "Lady Busters Anonymous,"
at<br><br><a href=http://www.webspawner.com/users/punchbug2/index.html
target=new>http://www.webspawner.com/users/punchbug2/index.html</a><br><br>pleas\
e do so. It contains important information and
helpful links for recovering female
bashers.<br><br>Thanks, and glad to have you in my club!<br><br>Punchbug2

Hi All!<br><br>In terms of overcoming your
addiction to real and/or fantasy violence against women, I
believe the most important step you can take is to accept
Jesus into your heart as Lord and Savior. Once you do
that, He becomes your divine ally, your helper, your
enabler on the road to recovery. <br><br>For more
information along those lines, read my Christian testimony
at<br><br><a href=http://www.webspawner.com/users/punchbug22000/index.html
target=new>http://www.webspawner.com/users/punchbug22000/index.html</a><br><br>C\
heck it out, and have a wonderful
day!<br><br>Punchbug2

Again, its me...:)<br>The difference between
Christianity and all other religions is not that a person "has
a relationship with God". It is that a person has a
certain faith, given by that God, in that God. The
difference between 'born agains' and Christians, is that
'born agains' focus on their 'relationship' with God,
rather than on God. Do you see the difference? One looks
at the actions of the believer (which amount to
nothing, it is grace not works which saves), rather than
the actions of God. Christianity declares that all
sin is defeated for all time, 'born agains' demand
some act or work on the believers part to overcome
sin, as if we, as humans, could. Christians insist God
chooses us, while 'born agains' insist that we can choose
God.<br>These are partly why 'born agains' have such rises and
falls in their faiths, and keep getting physically
baptised over and over again, and why Christians keep
plodding along (How many Assembly of God denominations
have grown and folded in a few years, and why is
Catholicism ['Standard'] still here?)<br>This is also why
'born agains' have so many people leave their faiths
embittered and spiteful, rather than the amicable partings
of Catholicism - Christians know that God did not
promise to make this world a wonderful, sin-free place.
He promised us the next one would be better.

Well said and accepted by be. Just curious what
your fetish is may I ask?. My fetish is seing one girl
pin another in a school-girl pin after a playful
wrestling match. I do not get tuned on by watching
catfights that have violent, curseing and nude women
ripping each other apart. That's not me. Something pretty
innocent you would think. I have had this fetish as far
back as a very young child. I always wonderd how and
why this fetish came into my life. I never asked for
it either and I thought I would out grow it but here
I am 47 yrs old and still chasing after it. Is it
something God gave me to enjoy or is it something un
natural that God would like for me to overcome. I wonder
why female wrestling is tied so closely to porn. I
guess if you really don't believe in one God or the
bible then perhaps you would not feel guilty having a
fetish. I guess I do feel guilty or would not have joind
this club. I am not here to preach to or judge anyone.
I hope to find answers.

Guys,<br>Suppose you are going to drive your car.
You get in, you close the door, you fasten the seat
belt, you start the motor...wait a minute. You fasten
the seat belt... you prepare for the odd chance that
an accident may happen. You are not being negative,
you are being realistic in knowing that bad things,
unplanned things, or, just plain things happen. When I make
a date with a woman, I bring a book, because there
is a chance she will stand me up. I am not being
negative, I am preparing for the reality that this woman
can be deceptive and dishonest.<br>Is it negative to
think that "all" women are gifts, rather than "some"? I
think that some women have cheated on their husbands,
abused their bodies, stood men up, lied, coveted... etc
,etc. What I say, realistically, is that no one human
is perfect, but some may behave better than
others.<br>Thank you

Hello!<br><br>There are numerous recovery
programs currently available to help people deal with
addictions to drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. They can be
classified as faith-based or secular, twelve step or
non-twelve step. My former wife and both her parents
obtained victory over alcohol using the faith-based,
twelve step program developed by Alcoholics Anonymous.
In my opinion, the program most likely to succeed
for lady busters is the faith-based, twelve step
program, but with a MUCH greater emphasis upon a personal
relationship with God through saving faith in Jesus Christ.
Perhaps the best example of that type of program--and the
program which I personally recommend--is Christians in
Recovery. For more information, visit
<br><br><a href=http://www.christiansinrecovery.com
target=new>http://www.christiansinrecovery.com</a><br><br>Check it
out!<br><br>Thanks, and have a wonderful
day!<br><br>Punchbug2

Hi! <br><br>I just wanted to welcome everyone to
my club for recovering female bashers, "Lady Busters
Anonymous." I hope your membership proves to be a fruitful
and rewarding experience and that, by the grace of
God, you will indeed be given the victory--even as I
was--over your addiction to real and/or fantasy violence
against women. <br><br>God loves you, and so do I!
<br><br>With kindest regards, <br><br>Punchbug2 <br>  

QUIT THE LOOKS THING!!! Mentioning is one thing,
but we have gone too far. Looks are a woman's thing,
and we must not play that game. We should not care
what the world or humanity cares about our looks near
as to what God is concerned about.<br>About my
'negative' attitude, more later...

You know, I looked at the picture of you in your
Yahoo! profile, and you're not really a bad looking guy
after all. You look a lot like a younger brother of
mine, who has been happily married for many years. I
think, more than anything else, it's your negative
attitude toward women that is keeping you from having a
succesful relationship with one.

Gentlemen,<br>Despite the advice to 'play the
world's game' I will not, as I have been told in the
Bible to reman apart from such things. Christians
advocating the world's games as opposed to God's will need
to do some thinking.<br>2. Most Christians
understand that they cannot recover from addictions, nor
become better, nor 'get right with God'. We understand
that God makes us right through Christ, and that it is
not us keeping us on the moral path, but God who does
so.<br>3. The Lord of Hosts NEVER promised that life would
be easy once He granted us faith in Him. He never
said we would be 'sin-free', or ever make a mistake
again. He said that He freely forgives for the sake of
His Son, and that He looks at us through His Son as
perfect and redeemed, not through any act, word, decision
nor any work of our own.<br>4. I recognize that all
of us are sinners, what I detest is that if you
treat a woman as if she were human instead of some
goddess, she gets truly pissed. I am not insisting that
she be outwardly beautiful, but regard herself as God
regards her and NOT as the world convinces her.<br>5.
Wasn't it Socrates that said 'There is no stone as hard
as a woman's heart'? The problem of female
arrogance, etc, is not new. What is new is the weakness of
men in allowing this to go on. I propose that God's
order for the world be our order for the world, and not
some happy, liberal world-view of 'equality' or
what-not.<br>6. Charachter matters more than looks. Churchill nor
Washington nor Socrates nor Demosthenes (etc) were not
handsome, but men of charachter whom certain persons in
this group would have rejected by women because they
did not look like what the world considers
'handsome'.<br>7. I note that no-one here has challenged my views
of women being possessive, cold, deceptive,
etc....Could this be because this is true? I say this is the
case, and therefore we should assume that no one is
perfect, no one, including (gasp) women. We shouldn't have
illusions about them, and act accordingly, with
discernment.<br>Thank you for your time and attention.

May God grant you the grace to overcome your
addiction by whatever path you choose. Bear in mind,
however, the statement--not rhetoric, but the word of
God--in Acts 4:12 (referring to Jesus): "Neither is their
salvation in any other: for their is none other name under
heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (KJV)

Buddhists have a RELATIONSHIP with thier god. So
do Moslems. So do Jews. Christians don't have a
monopoly on this, despite the rhetoric.<br><br>Religions,
gods, and RELATIONSHIPS with gods are products of the
human imagination. I know--I was a born-again Christian
for several years before I woke up.

It's not religion that matters nearly so much as
a RELATIONSHIP--a relationship with the creator and
sustainer of the universe, and you can only have that type
of relationship by putting complete faith and trust
in Him who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the
light. No man comes to the Father but by me." There ARE
secular recovery programs in existence, but it is my
understanding--although they do work for some people--that the
faith-based programs are much more successful. If you want to
leave God out of the equation (and I think you'd be
making a big mistake by so doing), then do a search on
the Web for the secular programs, find one that you
feel most comfortable with, and follow through on it.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that
having a belly punch fetish is a harmful thing, that
this desire should be eliminated. How does your site
help those of us who are not able to believe in fairy
tales (i.e. religion)?

You're definitely worth a great deal in God's
sight. In fact, you're of so much value to God that He
sent Jesus into this world to suffer and die on a
cross to purchase your redemption. Your great worth in
God's sight, however, still doesn't obligate a woman to
give you a tumble if your physical appearance turn her
off, as yours apparently does. The Bible says that man
(and that includes WOMAN) looks upon the outward
appearance, whereas God looks upon the heart. I think you
expect too much from women--they're only human, just
like us guys (actually, guys are a lot more looks
conscious than gals). And if a woman meets a man whose
appearance they just don't care for, it doesn't really
matter (unless the guy's filthy rich--NO! JUST KIDDING!)
about the guy's heart qualities. My advice to you is
work on your appearance to MAKE yourself physically
attractive. If you're a skinny, go to the gym and start
lifting weights. It's my understanding that Charles Atlas
and Arnold Schwartzeneger were just skinny runts
until--through the right kind of exercise--they completely
transformed themselves into manly hunks that few women could
resist. If your teeth turn gals off, get them fixed or
replaced. Whatever it takes to make yourself physically
attractive to women, do it. Then watch your social life take
off!

I wish to God it were that easy! It took a miracle of grace to get the monkeys
off my back, and I still slip if I'm not careful!

Right! You pick yourself up, dust yourself off,
and get on with your life. That's the way it should
be! In my opinion, if you dwell upon these psychic
injuries, nurse them, stew in them, etc., you're headed for
trouble in your relations with members of the opposite
sex.

Punchbug,<br>In your response to my story, you
hit on something that is one of the prime reasons I
think women are in need of disciplining - because of my
physical appearance, I am rejected often (2,011 times
since June of 1999, and, yes, I'm counting). BUT there
are merits to me, at least in the eyes of God. I am
not wealthy, but not starving, and I am intelligent
and hard-working. But women are very surface-oriented
and incapable of looking beyond the most superficial
to any depth. After all, why are they so concerned
with appearance as opposed to what things really are
if they are not largely appearance-oriented? So what
if a person does not look like Tom Cruise or Selma
Hayk or whatever Hollywood star, they could still be
worth something. Unfortunately, women can't realize
such things, and, neither can some others if they
think that because one is 'ugly' they should be
rejected right off the bat.<br>I don't think so. I think
that even if a person is slender or whatever, or wears
glasses, that person still may be worth something. After
all, Christ died for all, not just the 'good-looking'.

Can you upload and delete my perverse demon??

i love women, i been rejected a few times i just move on

Sorry about your bad experiences with and
negative attitudes toward women. You have to admit,
though, being short and skinny with bad teeth, etc., you
really did not have much going for you. If I were the
gal in question, I would have given you the brush-off
too (though, hopefully, in a MUCH more gracious,
sensitive, and compassionate manner, taking great care NOT
to humilate you or hurt your feelings). Also, a
woman has every right to reject a guy she doesn't care
for just the same as a guy has every right to reject
a woman he doesn't care for. Being rejected is a
painful experience that can leave lasting hurts. In my
opinion, you need to forgive that gal--and all the others
who have hurt you--recognizing that all women are not
perfect and respectful of others' feelings (just like all
guys are not). Unless you do, I don't think you will
ever get past your negativity. May God grant you the
grace to do that and to see how beautiful women (in
general) really are and what a great gift they really
are--to each other, to children, to animals, to plants,
to the sick, to the aged, to the infirm,
and--ESPECIALLY--to us guys!

Thank you for reading this. My distaste for
females can be traced to this incident. When I was in
High School (or Junior High, they were equally bad), I
had a crush on a 'popular girl'. This is normal, I
think, for young people, a sort of familiar thing, for a
boy to have a fascination with a girl. Anyway, she
was quite popular, being with the 'in' clique, and I
was (and am) somewhat short and skinny, never dressed
in the latest fashions (too poor), had glasses and
bad teeth. <br>There was a dance coming up in the
school, and I actually gathered the courage to ask this
popular girl out to the dance with me. When I asked her,
her response (which I remember to this day) was,
'what, with a skinny geek like you?' And she laughed at
me with her girl friends and they turned and walked
down the hall as I cried in place. I remember the
humiliation, and just about wishing I was dead, and I don't
remember the rest of the day, or how long I was in that
hall..<br>You cannot tell me that this girl 'is a gift' or was
not in dire need of discipline from God or God's
agent. <br>Worse, from my experiences, and those of
others, this is a very common thing for women to do.
After all, look at the 'hurt me' expressions on the
faces of all the 'boys' that women are attracted to.
Women are attracted to people they can inflict pain on,
and they inflict pain as often as they can. The
infliction of pain on another person is a form of exercising
power, I think, and women are generally very
controlling. So, if they can cause damage to a person, it
means they can control them. How is that her being 'a
gift' to him? Or her being his 'helpmate'?<br>Thank you
for your time, may God's perfect Will be in your
life, and may He conform us to Him.

Greetings to all, <br>Maybe I am too cynical, or
too 'what-ever', but I have to disagree with the idea
that 'women are gifts'. I can agree that SOME women
are gifts to SOME men, but I have been stood up,
rejected, laughed at, scorned, snarled at, ignored, etc, by
some 2011 females. I did not have the fantasy of
conducting violence to women until I entered the dating
scene after my fiancee had an affair and left me. I
think my fantasies stem from the misery of the 'dating
situation' and from having to deal with women, the vast
majority of whom are arrogant, deceiving, cold-hearted,
treacherous, cruel and self-centered. I have not yet met a
woman that is not completely convinced that she is, in
some way, perfect, and that man, no matter what, are
not. I have not yet met a woman who is capable of
self-sacrifice in a larger cause, and most men I have met
are.<br>At present, I cannot conceive of actually beating a
woman who has stood me up, or laughed in my face or
lied to me or whatever, and the fantasy remains that,
a fantasy.<br>The question is, how does the founder
justify calling all women gifts? Has he met every woman
in the world and found all of them to be such
'helpmates' and supporters as God ordained them to be? I
cannot think so.<br>All the same, with the strength that
God gives me, I will be brought past my miscogeny,
hopefully by a woman who is in some way good, and God will
have made me purer.<br>Thank you.

Hey Gang!<br><br>Forgive me guys and gals, I
really blew it today. But I learned an important lesson
that I want to pass on to you. <br><br>When in the
course of your daily, weekly, or monthly affairs you
believe it's time to have an orgasm, ask yourself this
question: "Do I REALLY need this orgasm?" If you
can--because your problems are so closely associated with the
act of sexual gratification--I think it is best if
you prolong that event for as long as you comfortably
can. Also, if you are a guy (as by far most of the
members in this group are) it will be all the more
pleasurable when you do climax. <br><br>Now, if you simply
MUST fulfill your sexual desire, do not--I repeat, DO
NOT--log on to the Internet. If you do, you will in all
probability end up (as I did this morning) in a website that
promotes violence against women. The Internet has a large
and growing number of sites like that and--given your
particular addiction--you want to avoid them like the
PLAGUE. <br><br>What, then, should you do? My advice is
to make love to your wife (if you are blessed with
one) or just use your imagination to conjure up
normal, healthy sexual stuff and masturbate. <br><br>It
goes without saying that you have already discarded
all lady-busting videos, books, magazines, pictures,
stories, etc., because if you HAVEN'T, you're sure to go
digging into them and begin feeding your addiction all
over again (like the proverbial dog returning to his
vomit).<br><br>Maybe you too have learned some important lessons along
the way that would be of help to the whole group.
Take the plunge and share them with us. We are all in
this thing together, to help and encourage each other,
and to share whatever works so that all may benefit.
I am by no means an expert in these matters, and am
pretty much feeling my way along. So do help me and the
rest of the group with your experiences.<br><br>God
bless you my friends, and have a wonderful Labor Day
holiday!<br><br>Punchbug2

Dear Bugin,<br><br>Thank you for your honesty.
You're right, this club is not for you. Personally, I
think accepting Jesus into your heart as the Lord and
Master of your life is the most important decision you
will ever make. However, you do NOT need to be a
Christian to join and be welcome in this club. (There ARE
secular approaches to recovery that appear in the Links
section of this club and that apparently work very well
for some people.) What you DO need, though, is a
conviction that it's time to put violent fantasies against
women behind you and move on to that which is more
positive and constructive. The Bible says that as a man
thinks in his heart, so is he. It also says that a man
cannot keep fire in his bosom and not be burned. Someone
else has said that thoughts are things, and create
miracles or crimes as their currents run. Like you, I seem
to have been born with mine, but I think that
eventually you will have to deal with your negative
fantasies, and now is a good time to start. In my opinion,
they cannot help but color your relationship with
women in general and your relationship with your girl
friend in particular. They might not be a problem now,
but IN TIME they may very well become so--kind of
like the social drinker who ends up as an alcoholic.
<br><br>Punchbug2

No offense, what you've got going here is a
wonderful site and will hopefully bring about a lot of
inspiration to others and stuff, but it's not really for me.
I'm sure you're probably going to denounce me by
moral credo, but it doesn't matter too much because
frankly, I'm not a Christian person. I'm religious, some
kind of god does exist, Jesus existed and was a very
wise teacher who should be remembered in history as a
great philosopher in the likes of Socrates and Plato
(and really is too often presented as a mythical
figure of hardly any importance in "real history"), but
I'm not Christian-- can't be, there's too many other
beautiful religions in this world to isolate myself to
one.<br><br>The point I'm trying to make is, currently I harbor
certain fantasies. They're not fantasies I asked to hold,
or just decided I'd get into at some point in my
life, they're feelings I've just had as long as I know
I have. Unlike alcoholism or any other act that can
really benefit from recovery, moral recovery isn't as
fine a program if you ask me. They may be disturbing
fantasies, but they're fantasies. I've never acted out on
them, and I never would-- I've been in a healthy
relationship for two and a half years now (I'm 20), we're
engaged and plan to marry some day, I've never brought
physical harm to her and never plan to. We don't
experiment in belly punching, in fact the notion of it in
the real world is rather stupid. There's nothing
erotic about walking up to a real woman and slamming her
in the gut. But at the same time, my girlfriend
knows the "strange desires" I harbor, she's admitted to
having some of the same feelings (the difference being
she's occasionally turned on by the notion of being the
one without power, as I am as well). I see no wrong
in what I'm doing then, so long as it doesn't affect
my real life in any major way, and it doesn't bring
any harm to anyone else. And it doesn't.<br><br>This
is a very intriguing club, never seen anything quite
like it, but I'm saying it's not for me. I don't need
moral redemption, I live a fine, productive life and
don't see much need to change it-- at least in areas
like what I read about on the web. You're going to get
a lot of angry responses, or confused responses,
for sure. Do me a favor and don't try to impede any
moral judgement on those who do-- that does nothing but
fuel other people's anger, if people feel the need to
"redeem" themselves, they will. It's that simple. And,
basically, this club's not for me. Sorry.<br><br>bugin