--- In insectstings@yahoogroups.com, EloquentIntent@... wrote:
>Ya its kind of shocking to hear theres that much venom in the shots
for wasp venoms anyways!!The funny part is most allegists dont even
know they just think its 2 stings worth which is true for honeybee
immunotherapy but its alot more for wasps/yellowjackets and hornets!!
Both venom manufactures confirmed this since i talked to the
president of Hollistier Stier and AlK abello and i talked to one of
the chemists that is the head guy in the lab at Hollistier-Stier And
they said Its roughly about 2 stings worth of venom for honeybee and
roughly around 30-50 stings worth of venom for yellowjacket and
roughly 20-40 for whitefaced hornet and yellow hornet!!They said the
reason behind it is honeybees only sting once and unless your a bee
keeper being stung more than once is rare since most people might
get one stuck in there cloths or step on a honeybee in the clover!!
But not the case with yellowjackets and hornets its usually multiple
stings when you run in to a nest or even if you get one caught in
your shirt they can sting you over and over!!So thats why they
immunize us with so much venom so you would be protected if you got
stung a dozen times!!And the funny part is ive talked to people that
have been stung 4-20 times at once after being on the maintenence
dose of venom immunotherapy with no problems at all other than ouch
that was no fun!!David can also confirm this!!I suppose it dont
matter how much venom they put in the shots as long as it works!!
Rich
>
> Rich -
>
> I had no idea they put that much venom in the injections! I knew
it was two
> stings worth for a honey bee, had no idea it was that many for a
yellow
> jacket.
>
> Oddly enough, the honey bee sting is the one that's causing the
most trouble
> for me now, though the yellow jacket sting started off worse.
Still, the
> reaction for both is less than what happened the last time I got
stung by a
> yellow jacket (I had my arm swell up like an over-stuffed sausage
the last time.
> It stung me on the inside of my forearm and the whole arm was
puffy for TWO
> weeks for ONE lousy sting!) - I now only get about a third of my
upper arm
> itchy and swollen, and it goes away after a couple of days.
>
> I think everyone's reaction for the injections will be
different.
> Obviously, my body still thinks the venom is a true invader that
needs to be taken to
> task. Lol.
>
> I envy the people around me who get stung by these things (like my
father!)
> and only end up with a lump the size of a mosquito bite for a
couple of days.
> But at least I know that with these injections, the likelihood of
me having
> to go to the hospital the next time I get stung will be minimal.
YAY!
>
> In the meantime, maintenance doses of venoms, here I come. Got
my first
> round of maintenance last week. Yay. Hurt like nobody's
business! But the
> pain went away after 24 hours (that seems to be the magical
number), and the
> itch is now almost completely gone (well, technically I got the
injection Monday
> of this week, so... five days ago?)
>
> After they clear me for venom, I get to start up 'environmental
allergens'
> immunization. THIS is going to be fun (insert eyeroll here). But
if it'll
> help keep me out of the emergency room, I say 'let's do it!'
>
> ~Melanie
>
> In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:44:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> buddysneade@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> --- In _insectstings@insectstingsins_
(mailto:insectstings@yahoogroups.com) ,
> EloquentIntent@, Eloq
> >I just got my mixed vespid and honeybee injection today ive been
on
> them 3 years and they do hurt for about 24 hours still. im used
to
> it and it dont bother me much anymore!!You are right the shots do
> hurt more than a real live sting thats if you get stung in the
same
> spot were they give us our venom injections!!spot were they give
us ou
> the back of the upper arm it felt like a little pinprick and a
burn
> like someone flicked a match tip on the back of my arm and it
lasted
> mabe a minute or two if that and barley hurt at all although it
was
> itchy for an hour or so no worse than a mosquito bite!!And i still
> had two shots to go before i was at the full maintenence dose
when
> that happened!!Yet the shots are hot and sore for a day or two!!
The
> Honeybee shots are equal to 2 live stings from a Honeybee where
the
> Yellowjacket shots here in the U.S. are equivilent to around 10
> stings from 5 different species do the math theres around 50
stings
> worth of venom in a typical yellowjacket maintenence shot!!Same
goes
> for the yellow and whitefaced hornets theres roughly around 20 or
> more stings worth of venom in those shots!!The problem is bees
and
> wasps can inject different amounts of venom per sting even within
> the same species!!an average Honeybee injects about 50 micrograms
of
> venom per sting yellowjackets inject between 1.7 and 3.1
micrograms
> per sting and hornets between 2.4 and 5 micrograms per sting!!so
> when we get a maintenence injection we get 100 micrograms of
> purified venom injected into us do the math about 2 stings for a
> honeybee shot and a whole boat load of stings for wasps
> yellowjackets and hornets!!!So that would make the mixed vespid
shot
> at 300 micrograms which is a mix of 5 different yellowjacket
species
> + the yellow hornet and the whitefaced hornet that shot is
basically
> around 70-100 stings worth of venom seems like alot but thats
around
> how much venom is in that shot!!Wonder why they hurt!!
> LOL Rich
> > David,
> >
> > I get yellowjacket and honey bee injections - at first, they
> didn't bother
> > me at all, but as I moved up in the dosage, all I can say is
> OUCH. The
> > injection site is sore for about 24 hours (though sorest in the
> first 6 hours or
> > so) now that I'm only two shots away from maintenance dose.
> >
> > I think it's more that a wasp will sting you wherever it can
> reach - often
> > in the muscle. The injections we get are intended to go in an
> area that isn't
> > supposed to have a lot of muscle - and not a lot of nerves,
> either. It's
> > one of the recommended areas for insulin doses for that very
> reason, too.
> >
> > If a wasp stung you in the exact same spot as we're getting our
> injections,
> > it likely wouldn't hurt much, either. But no... they sting us
on
> our hands,
> > lower arms, legs, etc... where there are a lot of nerve
endings,
> and a lot of
> > muscle.
> >
> > Still, it does get somewhat sore for me after an injection.
> luckily, the
> > feeling goes away quickly enough - these last few, however,
have
> been a bit
> > rough. The following itch is maddening, too!
> >
> > Any other ideas on this? All of what I've said is just based on
> what I've
> > picked up on, listening to others in the allergist office. I
could
> be wrong,
> > and could be hearing things wrong, too.
> >
> > ~Melanie
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/31/2009 3:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard
Time,
> > david@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Robin,
> >
> > I have to say that I barely get any reaction to the venom
> injection
> > whatsoever - not even a red mark. In fact it hardly hurts at
all!
> >
> > What I do get is a horrible headache and a dizzy type of
feeling
> for an hour
> > or two afterwards - which is kind of strange, but definitely
> tolerable.
> >
> > However these venom shots are far less painful for me than a
> genuine sting
> > used to be and it is really a bit of a puzzle. Wasp stings
> really sting but
> > my venom injections do not and I do not really understand why
> that happens
> > completely. I think that it is because the venom is injected
> under the skin
> > whilst the wasp is only able to inject into the skin which is
> where all the
> > nerve endings are located - but I am not completely sure.
> >
> > Anywhay, for what it is worth, my venom shots are really no
> problem at all
> > now. How about others?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: _maxboots1_ (mailto:maxboots1@
> > To: _insectstings@ To: _insects
> (mailto:_insectstings@insectstingsins_
(mailto:insectstings@yahoogroups.com)
> )
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:25 AM
> > Subject: [insectstings] Re: Life after Immunotherapy.
> [insectstings] Re:
> > Life after
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Chris ....Hey Ya'll
> >
> > Starting last Jan 08, going into my fifth year of therapy, I
> asked my
> > doctor about how I finish, or wind down the therapy. We decided
> to go
> > with every other month for my fifth year.
> > I was and still am only getting slight reactions from my fire
ant
> > venom injections and the paper wasp venom injections. They hurt
> and
> > burn with some swelling but an antihistamine taken after
> injections
> > helps with that.
> >
> > Now the mixed vespid, which for me(in the US) is the yellow
> (gold)
> > hornet, white hornet and the yellow jacket- which is the 'wasp'
> in
> > the UK.
> > This injection still gives me problems. In September 08 I had a
> > pretty big welt(wheel) it was raised up, looked kind of like a
> > hurricane on a weather map....
> > ...so in Nov the doc didn't give me a full injection, He said
it
> was
> > just a tad short of a full injection,
> > because all of his patients were having bigger than normal
> reactions
> > to the mixed vespid venom.
> > This slightly less than a full injection, I hardly had any
> reaction.
> >
> > Jan 09, going into year six, he gave me a full injection of
mixed
> > vespid....My reaction was not quite as bad as last
> > September, but pretty close. So he says next time he's not
going
> to
> > give me a full injection.
> > This year, I'm going every 10 weeks. I asked if I could make it
> every
> > 12 weeks, but he said no.
> > We talked a bit about stopping the therapy, but since my
> main 'sting
> > event' was with yellow jackets, and I'm still outside mowing
the
> > grass, and I've yet to have a run in with a yellow jacket,
maybe
> I
> > will stick with the therapy for a bit longer.
> >
> > I got stung on my back, in August last year, by a paper wasp
> while
> > push mowing, that was my fifth sting by a paper wasp since I
> started
> > therapy in Sep '03.
> > Earlier that day I got into some fire ants, they caught me not
> > paying attention to where my feet were. When you start feeling
a
> > bunch of stings around your knees, you know they've got your
feet
> > covered.
> > All of my run ins with real life stinging critters since being
on
> > immunotherapy I can describe as not any more
> > bothersome that a mosquito bite....except for the fire ants,
they
> > burn and itch for several days.
> >
> > So are any of ya'll, getting varying degrees of reactions from
> your
> > mixed vespids/or wasps venom(UK) ???
> >
> > Keeping Ya'll in my thoughts and prayers
> > Stay safe,
> > Robin
> > down in Louisiana
> >
> > -- In _insectstings@ -- In _insec
> (mailto:_insectstings@insectstingsins_
(mailto:insectstings@yahoogroups.com)
> ) ,
> > "Insect Stings" <david@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > It all depends on what your perspective is really Chris.
> > >
> > > If you were undergoing immunotherapy and having the
maintenance
> > dose every month or so then each time you go you are proving to
> > yourself and those around you that you can tolerate insect
venom.
> > However, like many conditions there is never any guarantee
about
> the
> > future and the same is true of immunotherapy.
> > >
> > > You cannot guarantee that you will not have anaphylaxis again
> but
> > the great probability is that you won't.
> > >
> > > If you had not undergone the treatment then the great
> probability
> > is that you would have anaphylaxis again on the next sting.
> > >
> > > Immunotherapy for me was definitely a "no brainer" - whatever
> > happens on the next sting I have had huge peace of mind for the
> last
> > few years that I will probably be fine and that for me is
> fantastic
> > compared to where I was before the immunotherapy.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: chris.thornton@ Fro
> > > To: _insectstings@ To: _insects
> (mailto:_insectstings@insectstingsins_
(mailto:insectstings@yahoogroups.com)
> )
> > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:53 AM
> > > Subject: [insectstings] Re: Another set back....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > > I went to Liverpool for my final consultation yesterday after
> > finishing the programme last October.
> > > The doctor told me that, although it had reduced, I still had
a
> > significant sensitivity to wasp venom and that he couldn't say
> what
> > would happen if stung again...
> > > It did leave me wondering about the value of the last 3 years
> > worth of treatment, but I am sure time will tell.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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