This is interesting.
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/no-fishy-business-millions-flock-to-hyd-for-mira
cle-cure/66818-17.html

Guru

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maureen B [mailto:maureenb1955@...]
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: hgrao
> Subject: Re: Asthma treatment in India
>
> Hi Guru,
>
> This only went to me.  You must send it to this email address
> in order for it to hit the group:
>
> infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Maureen
>
>
>
> --- hgrao <hgrao@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering is anyone in India undergoing the treatment as
> > mentioned in Dr. Hahn's journal/document.
> >
> > I am interested in knowing what antibiotics are used, the
> dosage, and
> > whether the blood testing is done before taking this medication.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guru
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Maureen B" <maureenb1955@...>
> > To: "hgrao" <hgrao@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [infectious_asthma] Re: Any input on my asthma
> question
> > would be very appreciated!
> >
> >
> > > Hi Guru,
> > >
> > > The protocol, or treatment, is what he wrote in
> > his
> > > document to other doctors, which you'll find in
> > the
> > > files section of the group.  It's either 500 mgs
> > for
> > > three days in a row, followed by weekly doses of
> > 750
> > > mgs, or it's something like (and I'm trying to
> > > remember, but I may be off) 600 mgs three days in
> > a
> > > row, followed by weekly doses of 600 mgs.  In
> > > different parts of the country/world, or depending
> > on
> > > whether you use Azithromycin or Zithromax, you get
> > it
> > > either in 250mgs or 300mgs, thus the different
> > dosing.
> > >
> > > He also states in his document he does NOT
> > recommend
> > > testing because it's inconclusive.  VERY
> > important.
> > > We have seen cases where the blood test comes back
> > > negative, the person is treated anyway and they
> > find
> > > success with treatment.
> > >
> > > We could take a poll when people are starting to
> > > finish their treatment, but it's really too new
> > right
> > > now to show anything.  If you want to see some
> > success
> > > stories, go back to the old forum where I was a
> > > moderator at www.asthmastory.com and look at the
> > > success stories there.  Very motivating!  It's too
> > bad
> > > Jim suddenly closed that forum leaving people
> > > helpless.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
> > >
> > > --- hgrao <hgrao@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Maureen,
> > >>
> > >> I just wanted to know about Dr. Hahn's protocol.
> > Is
> > >> it the blood test to check for those
> > >> 2 bacterias and getting anitbiotic medicines or
> > is
> > >> it something else ? I went through the
> > >> document listed in the Files section of this
> > group.
> > >>
> > >> Also, I was thinking, it would be a great idea to
> > >> create a poll to see how many in this
> > >> group are treated successfully with Dr. Hahn's
> > >> protocol. This gives some confidence
> > >> and hope for those who are new to this group, and
> > >> also, those who are planning to
> > >> undergo such testing.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Guru
> > >>
> > >>   ----- Original Message -----
> > >>   From: maureenb1955
> > >>   To: infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com
> > >>   Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:55 AM
> > >>   Subject: [infectious_asthma] Re: Any input on
> > my
> > >> asthma question would be very appreciated!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   Welcome! A couple of thoughts here. You don't
> > >> mention whether or not
> > >>   you're on any medication for asthma currently.
> > >>
> > >>   If you're on medication and it just doesn't
> > seem
> > >> to be working well,
> > >>   it's possible you have asthma caused by
> > bacteria.
> > >> My son had exercise
> > >>   induced asthma and had no problems playing
> > >> baseball or competing in
> > >>   gymnastics, but football and basketball were
> > >> horrible for him. He was
> > >>   treated using Dr. Hahn's protocol more than
> > three
> > >> years ago and has
> > >>   had no problems at all during football or
> > >> lacrosse.
> > >>
> > >>   It's also possible, as you suspect, that you
> > have
> > >> allergies. I know
> > >>   some people have asthma-type symptoms if they
> > >> don't take medicine for
> > >>   their allergies, even though they don't have
> > >> asthma - or they have
> > >>   exacerbated symptoms if they do have asthma and
> > >> aren't treating their
> > >>   allergies. Then again, my allergies seemed to
> > go
> > >> from severe to mild
> > >>   once I was treated for asthma, so it's really
> > >> difficult to pinpoint
> > >>   exactly what's going on sometimes.
> > >>
> > >>   If I were you, I would seek treatment for the
> > >> allergies first and see
> > >>   how you feel. I would consider trying Dr.
> > Hahn's
> > >> protocol, as well.
> > >>   If you haven't talked to your doctor about
> > this,
> > >> check out our files
> > >>   and links and print up the studies and document
> > >> from Dr. Hahn to other
> > >>   doctors, and let him or her review them for a
> > week
> > >> before you follow up.
> > >>
> > >>   Just based on what my son went through, I know
> > >> it's very frustrating
> > >>   to want to play a sport well, and to be
> > struggling
> > >> out there gasping
> > >>   for air despite the medication you took
> > >> beforehand. I'd definitely
> > >>   consider being treated.
> > >>
> > >>   Maureen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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Thanks Maureen!

I haven't used my Symbicort or any inhaler for 2
months now. I still do continue to get a small amount
of wheezing, an allergic reaction I think to certain
things and I just take a claritin (daytime) or
Benadryl at night (helps me sleep), if I need it. I
imagine that eventually there were be less frequency
in the allergic attacks.

I spoke to a woman on the weekend who has an asthmatic
son who is having difficulties and suggested she check
it out online. She seemed receptive to the Zithromax
regimen.

~Melanie

--- maureenb1955 <maureenb1955@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Melanie, I've talked to Dr. Hahn about silent
> carriers and he said
> that while he's not sure, it's an interesting and
> possible concept.
> He even treated one friend of mine while treating
> her son because he
> thought this might have been the scenario.
>
> Glad you're doing so well now!!
>
> Maureen

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Thanks Maureen!

I haven't used my Symbicort or any inhaler for 2
months now. I still do continue to get a small amount
of wheezing, an allergic reaction I think to certain
things and I just take a claritin (daytime) or
Benadryl at night (helps me sleep), if I need it. I
imagine that eventually there were be less frequency
in the allergic attacks.

I spoke to a woman on the weekend who has an asthmatic
son who is having difficulties and suggested she check
it out online. She seemed receptive to the Zithromax
regimen.

~Melanie


--- maureenb1955 <maureenb1955@...> wrote:

> Melanie, I've talked to Dr. Hahn about silent
> carriers and he said
> that while he's not sure, it's an interesting and
> possible concept.
> He even treated one friend of mine while treating
> her son because he
> thought this might have been the scenario.
>
> Glad you're doing so well now!!
>
> Maureen

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Maureen

Barry, yes, I remember having really great days followed by not so
great days.  You do have your ups and downs as you go through
treatment and even during the months that follow treatment.  Just
remember that improvement can be seen for up to a year after taking
the antibiotics, so have positive thoughts and keep us posted!

Maureen




--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, "barrymossman2000"
<b.mossman@...> wrote:
>
> Been on Zithro for 8 weeks. First 6 weeks no change. Last week,marked
> improvement in breathing for 3 days mid-week then back to the same ol'
> shortness.Same thing this week,took meds on Sunday. no change till today
> breathing much better
>

Melanie, that was me.  So used to being sick four to six times a year
that it didn't even phase me anymore, it was just my way of life.

So glad you're doing well.  If you haven't already done so, talk to
your friend about the possibility that her daughter has asthma caused
by bacteria.  No kid should suffer like that.  A neighbor of mine had
a son who suffered from two years until fourteen years of age and he's
been cured using Dr. Hahn's protocol, too.  Hopefully, she won't have
to suffer as long as he did.

Maureen



--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, "princessinthengtower"
<princessinthengtower@...> wrote:
>
> Been doing really good this past spring and summer.
>
> I got laid off from my job last spring.
>
> I decided to take time off until the Fall. I am taking courses to
upgrade my skills. I find
> now that I was underevaluating myself, so now I can feel confident
in updating my resume.
>
> Anyway, I haven't needed my inhaler for a couple weeks now. One year
ago I was using it
> twice a day.
>
> Usually I can tell when I wake up in the morning if I am going to
get wheezy and
> congested. I find that I can now take one antihistamine like Airius
or some other form of
> Loratadine and that will get me past the wheeziiness and I won't get
an asthma attack, nor
> need my inhaler.
>
> I expect that being away from a workplace full of asthma triggers
helps. So that when I do
> get back to work, I will be healthier and my lungs will be stronger
and I will be able to say
> no to foods that I should not be eating.
>
> Let's see what else. Overall health has been super. I am no longer
getting bizarre
> infections like last year.
>
> I did take a trip to Vegas last May and I got Norwalk Virus on the
trip home, but the worst
> of it was over in 24 hours, plus another week to get my strength
back. Everyone was
> freaking out and I was saying "THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO HAVING
PNEUMONIA". LOL
>
> I'm sure you understand what I mean when you get sick now and it's
like WHATEVER.
> YAWN. Bring me the Gravol, water and soup and see you in a week.
>
> One of my friend's 2 year old daughter just got diagnosed with
asthma. She is being given
> 5 doses of steroids a day!
>
> Can I say )(*(&$%#@@%^**I(&^! I feel so bad for that child. How old
does one have to be
> before one starts taking their health back into their hands and
saying I don't want to take
> a gazillion meds every day?
>
> Anyway, I hope everyone else is doing well.
>
> ~Melanie
>

Melanie, I've talked to Dr. Hahn about silent carriers and he said
that while he's not sure, it's an interesting and possible concept.
He even treated one friend of mine while treating her son because he
thought this might have been the scenario.

Glad you're doing so well now!!

Maureen


--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, Melanie D
<princessinthengtower@...> wrote:
>
> I didn't find Zith that expensive, as you only take a
> certain amount every week. I orded mine online and it
> worked out to about $7 a pill. Which is nothing if you
> sit down and work out what you really spend on wine,
> coffee, junk food, cigarettes, potato chips, steak or
> those other things not so good for your health, and
> everyone has their weaknesses somewhere and can cut
> back on the budget. If you want to think of costs that
> way, and this is to benefit your health.
>
> I'm doing way so much better now. I have barely even
> had any hayfever this spring.
>
> Something strange that happened was that I broke up
> with my boyfriend in October and suddenly, all the
> infections stopped. I later found out he had been
> visiting friends in hospitals at least 3 times a week
> the past year. Great for them, but I think he was
> bringing infections back to me, though he displayed no
> symptoms. One of them was staph, which is quite common
> from a hospital. I haven't been sick since October.
>
> So is it possible there is someone you are around who
> is a silent carrier? If you have a poor immune system
> you have to be really careful to limit contact with
> any sick people. When I go to my doctor's I actually
> wait in the hallway until I can go into the exam room,
> and the MOA totally understands. I scrub my hands down
> after I leave there. I'm sure you understand the
> paranoia we go through now!
>
> I hope you feel better soon and I would order the zith
> if I were you. It was great and gave me no side
> effects.
>
> ~Melanie
>
>
>
> --- "gina.spence1" <gina.spence1@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50
> > years of age. My
> > asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of
> > pneumonia 7 years ago. I
> > started to surf the net for advice as my asthma
> > worsened even though I
> > had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and
> > antibiotics I was
> > wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn
> > infection. I do
> > have a medical history of getting infections over
> > the years not just
> > resperatory but our family seems to be prone to
> > infection. Each time I
> > am on a course of antibiotics I get much better
> > after around 3 days
> > and continue to improve for the 5 days of the
> > course. Eventually when
> > I have stopped the course I become worse and worse
> > until I can stand
> > it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor
> > again. Sometimes
> > they won't give me antibiotics again and give me
> > predisolone which
> > does not work as well but gives me some relief. When
> > I saw my asthma
> > story and the links on that site I printed
> > everything off and took it
> > to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and
> > said I had COPD as
> > well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally
> > against the antibiotic
> > treatment and said that you read all sorts on the
> > internet and that
> > azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well
> > that was two weeks
> > ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly
> > walk now and I am
> > going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so
> > desperate. It is
> > such a struggle at work and I am constantly
> > exhausted. I have been
> > thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I
> > have found through
> > the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate
> > now. OK I may have
> > COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of
> > life with the
> > antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to
> > loose! My doctor said
> > that if you have an infection you have a temperature
> > but I have not.
> > Is there any other way to tell if you have an
> > infection. I live in
> > England and wondered if this was an English problem
> > that our doctors
> > will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone
> > any advice and is
> > there any other way I can tell if I have an
> > underlying infection that
> > anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina
> >
> >
>
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Gina, it does sound like your asthma is either worst because of
bacteria, or caused by bacteria.

I've been in contact with many doctors in the U.K. who are not at all
open to this, despite the links to research I've emailed them.  I
can't recommend your ordering drugs online, but I will say that
several people I know finally did just that and found great relief
when they did.

I believe I know of another place you might order from that's actually
in the U.K., but I don't have your complete email address and I would
rather send you the information privately.  Please post your email
address so I can send that off to you.

Maureen




-- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, "gina.spence1"
<gina.spence1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50 years of age. My
> asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of pneumonia 7 years ago. I
> started to surf the net for advice as my asthma worsened even though I
> had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and antibiotics I was
> wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn infection. I do
> have a medical history of getting infections over the years not just
> resperatory but our family seems to be prone to infection. Each time I
> am on a course of antibiotics I get much better after around 3 days
> and continue to improve for the 5 days of the course. Eventually when
> I have stopped the course I become worse and worse until I can stand
> it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor again. Sometimes
> they won't give me antibiotics again and give me predisolone which
> does not work as well but gives me some relief. When I saw my asthma
> story and the links on that site I printed everything off and took it
> to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and said I had COPD as
> well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally against the antibiotic
> treatment and said that you read all sorts on the internet and that
> azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well that was two weeks
> ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly walk now and I am
> going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so desperate. It is
> such a struggle at work and I am constantly exhausted. I have been
> thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I have found through
> the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate now. OK I may have
> COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of life with the
> antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to loose! My doctor said
> that if you have an infection you have a temperature but I have not.
> Is there any other way to tell if you have an infection. I live in
> England and wondered if this was an English problem that our doctors
> will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone any advice and is
> there any other way I can tell if I have an underlying infection that
> anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina
>

--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, "noralambert"
<nora_lambert@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
> iam beside myself tring to figure out what is going on with me. the
> do\rs. keep saying its Asthma. which it may be some type. I have been
> on and off Predisone  and antibotics so many times I cant count and it
> doesnt help. but they just keep pushing them at me. I am also on
> Advair 250/50. I have been reading on the infectious astma on the link
> here an I would love for someone to tell me more about it. ther was
> messages from Kim Pitsenburger and Maureen if either of you read this
> please let me hear from you. and anyone else who has a clue about
> this.they where call Dr, Hahn's Protocol and Dr, Wagshul protocol.
>
> Please let me here from someone Very worryrd in Rhinelander wis.
>
>
>                                      Nora
>


Nora, if you log into the group, rather than just reading the messages
through email, you'll find on the left side of the page Files and
Links.  All the information you want is there.

I don't know how far Rhinelander is from Madison, but if you can get
there, it might be best to make an appointment with Dr. Hahn.  If you
google Dr. David Hahn, Madison, WI, his number at Dean East Clinic
will come up.  If not, try to get your doctor to call him on your
behalf, and show him the sheet from Dr. Hahn directed to other doctors
explaining the protocol.  It's in the Files section.

If asthma meds don't seem to help and you find yourself on prednisone
and antibiotics a lot, it's very likely you have infectious asthma, or
asthma caused by bacteria.  Frustrating, I know, but that's good news,
since you may find your asthma gone once you treat the bacteria that's
probably causing it.

Maureen

I'm going to answer some questions here, but before I do, I wanted to
once again apologize for not being here.  I finally figured out that I
find this Yahoo group setup difficult to manage, so I'm creating a
blog we can all move to once I'm done.  I'll make it my homepage, just
delete any spammers so nobody needs approval to post and it should be
much easier for me to handle.

I will post a link to the blog as soon as I'm done with it.  In the
meantime, let me go answer some of your questions.

Maureen

Been on Zithro for 8 weeks. First 6 weeks no change. Last week,marked
improvement in breathing for 3 days mid-week then back to the same ol'
shortness.Same thing this week,took meds on Sunday. no change till today
breathing much better

Been doing really good this past spring and summer.

I got laid off from my job last spring.

I decided to take time off until the Fall. I am taking courses to upgrade my
skills. I find
now that I was underevaluating myself, so now I can feel confident in updating
my resume.

Anyway, I haven't needed my inhaler for a couple weeks now. One year ago I was
using it
twice a day.

Usually I can tell when I wake up in the morning if I am going to get wheezy and
congested. I find that I can now take one antihistamine like Airius or some
other form of
Loratadine and that will get me past the wheeziiness and I won't get an asthma
attack, nor
need my inhaler.

I expect that being away from a workplace full of asthma triggers helps. So that
when I do
get back to work, I will be healthier and my lungs will be stronger and I will
be able to say
no to foods that I should not be eating.

Let's see what else. Overall health has been super. I am no longer getting
bizarre
infections like last year.

I did take a trip to Vegas last May and I got Norwalk Virus on the trip home,
but the worst
of it was over in 24 hours, plus another week to get my strength back. Everyone
was
freaking out and I was saying "THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO HAVING PNEUMONIA".
LOL

I'm sure you understand what I mean when you get sick now and it's like
WHATEVER.
YAWN. Bring me the Gravol, water and soup and see you in a week.

One of my friend's 2 year old daughter just got diagnosed with asthma. She is
being given
5 doses of steroids a day!

Can I say )(*(&$%#@@%^**I(&^! I feel so bad for that child. How old does one
have to be
before one starts taking their health back into their hands and saying I don't
want to take
a gazillion meds every day?

Anyway, I hope everyone else is doing well.

~Melanie

--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, elena h <halikie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gina,
>   You have to take 750 mg for 3 days in a row and then one day a week
but for 11 weeks or more if you didn't feel good



Actually, it's different in every person, and some people may find
little difference after twelve weeks of treatment, but then find
themselves off all asthma meds in the months to come.  Improvement is
seen for up to a year following treatment.

Maureen

Oh yah, I think you are ordering from where I got
mine. You buy 4 and get one free. On the website it
says they are expiring soon, but when I got my
packages, they had a 2008 expiry date on them. So
don't let that deter you.

~Melanie




--- "gina.spence1" <gina.spence1@...>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for the replies I am having it feels so good
> for someone to
> understand what you are going through and to also
> believe you when you
> talk about asthma and infection! I take it that when
> you take
> azythromicine you take it for 3 days and then one
> day a week for 9
> weeks. I have had a price of 35$ a Z pack buy 4 and
> get one free. Is
> this about right for the price? I understand you
> take 75mg per day. Is
> this right too?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gina
>
>


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Hi

Thanks for the replies I am having it feels so good for someone to
understand what you are going through and to also believe you when you
talk about asthma and infection! I take it that when you take
azythromicine you take it for 3 days and then one day a week for 9
weeks. I have had a price of 35$ a Z pack buy 4 and get one free. Is
this about right for the price? I understand you take 75mg per day. Is
this right too?

Thanks

Gina

Hi

Thanks for your reply and it has given me some hope that this is
perhaps a mix between infection and a dog we aquired a year ago. I am
allergic to dust through an allergy test and he is dropping hairs and
raking up dust on the carpet like a mad thing when he runs about bless
him. Well hopefully when I get my infection sorted out with the
azythromicine the dog won't be such a problem. But just to let you
know why my doctor prescribed COPD - THIS IS ENGLAND!!! - Our medical
care is poo! The doctor sees low response to spyrometry and the fact
that I smoked for 20 years and diagnoses COPD. I have no confidence in
that doctor any more he has regigged my meds and now even they are not
so good. I was on combivent and seratide and he has changed it all.

Well I am going this morning to see another partner in the practice.
Wish me luck.

Thanks

Gina








--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, elena h <halikie@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Gina,
>   can't believe you get COPD diagnosed by a  simple spyrometry.Is
there some sophisticated devices in pulmonary institutes who can do
many tests.I did 3 years ago.I was in a bad asthma crise and the
result paper conclusion was :obstructive process.I asked the institute
doctors:what that conclusion mean?They don't tell me anything
clear,said that can mean anything :fungus infection,benign obstruction
mass,asthma,COPD etc.
>   I have showed the result to a young doctor who said with no
hesitation:you have asthma,end of story.
>   Ten weeks ago I have started azythromicin  with  Dr. Han's
protocol.His advice to me was that the mycoplasma and chlamydia tests
are not accurate so don't bother with them.I'm feeling much better
now,not perfect,but better.You are just in a middle of a bad asthma
crisis who seems to last for ever.I know how  hard it is.It will
pass,take your medication for crisis.Take vitamin C-1 gram daily.Help
with immunity.When you get better begin azythro .
>   Hang in there,
>   Elena
>
>
> "gina.spence1" <gina.spence1@...> wrote:
>           Hi
>
> I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50 years of age. My
> asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of pneumonia 7 years ago. I
> started to surf the net for advice as my asthma worsened even though I
> had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and antibiotics I was
> wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn infection. I do
> have a medical history of getting infections over the years not just
> resperatory but our family seems to be prone to infection. Each time I
> am on a course of antibiotics I get much better after around 3 days
> and continue to improve for the 5 days of the course. Eventually when
> I have stopped the course I become worse and worse until I can stand
> it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor again. Sometimes
> they won't give me antibiotics again and give me predisolone which
> does not work as well but gives me some relief. When I saw my asthma
> story and the links on that site I printed everything off and took it
> to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and said I had COPD as
> well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally against the antibiotic
> treatment and said that you read all sorts on the internet and that
> azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well that was two weeks
> ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly walk now and I am
> going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so desperate. It is
> such a struggle at work and I am constantly exhausted. I have been
> thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I have found through
> the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate now. OK I may have
> COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of life with the
> antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to loose! My doctor said
> that if you have an infection you have a temperature but I have not.
> Is there any other way to tell if you have an infection. I live in
> England and wondered if this was an English problem that our doctors
> will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone any advice and is
> there any other way I can tell if I have an underlying infection that
> anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi

Thanks for the replies I am having it feels so good for someone to
understand what you are going through and to also believe you when you
talk about asthma and infection! I take it that when you take
azythromicine you take it for 3 days and then one day a week for 9
weeks. I have had a price of 35$ a Z pack buy 4 and get one free. Is
this about right for the price? I understand you take 75mg per day. Is
this right too?

Thanks

Gina

Hi

I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50 years of age. My
asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of pneumonia 7 years ago. I
started to surf the net for advice as my asthma worsened even though I
had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and antibiotics I was
wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn infection. I do
have a medical history of getting infections over the years not just
resperatory but our family seems to be prone to infection. Each time I
am on a course of antibiotics I get much better after around 3 days
and continue to improve for the 5 days of the course. Eventually when
I have stopped the course I become worse and worse until I can stand
it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor again. Sometimes
they won't give me antibiotics again and give me predisolone which
does not work as well but gives me some relief. When I saw my asthma
story and the links on that site I printed everything off and took it
to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and said I had COPD as
well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally against the antibiotic
treatment and said that you read all sorts on the internet and that
azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well that was two weeks
ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly walk now and I am
going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so desperate. It is
such a struggle at work and I am constantly exhausted. I have been
thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I have found through
the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate now. OK I may have
COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of life with the
antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to loose! My doctor said
that if you have an infection you have a temperature but I have not.
Is there any other way to tell if you have an infection. I live in
England and wondered if this was an English problem that our doctors
will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone any advice and is
there any other way I can tell if I have an underlying infection that
anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina

I didn't find Zith that expensive, as you only take a
certain amount every week. I orded mine online and it
worked out to about $7 a pill. Which is nothing if you
sit down and work out what you really spend on wine,
coffee, junk food, cigarettes, potato chips, steak or
those other things not so good for your health, and
everyone has their weaknesses somewhere and can cut
back on the budget. If you want to think of costs that
way, and this is to benefit your health.

I'm doing way so much better now. I have barely even
had any hayfever this spring.

Something strange that happened was that I broke up
with my boyfriend in October and suddenly, all the
infections stopped. I later found out he had been
visiting friends in hospitals at least 3 times a week
the past year. Great for them, but I think he was
bringing infections back to me, though he displayed no
symptoms. One of them was staph, which is quite common
from a hospital. I haven't been sick since October.

So is it possible there is someone you are around who
is a silent carrier? If you have a poor immune system
you have to be really careful to limit contact with
any sick people. When I go to my doctor's I actually
wait in the hallway until I can go into the exam room,
and the MOA totally understands. I scrub my hands down
after I leave there. I'm sure you understand the
paranoia we go through now!

I hope you feel better soon and I would order the zith
if I were you. It was great and gave me no side
effects.

~Melanie



--- "gina.spence1" <gina.spence1@...>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50
> years of age. My
> asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of
> pneumonia 7 years ago. I
> started to surf the net for advice as my asthma
> worsened even though I
> had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and
> antibiotics I was
> wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn
> infection. I do
> have a medical history of getting infections over
> the years not just
> resperatory but our family seems to be prone to
> infection. Each time I
> am on a course of antibiotics I get much better
> after around 3 days
> and continue to improve for the 5 days of the
> course. Eventually when
> I have stopped the course I become worse and worse
> until I can stand
> it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor
> again. Sometimes
> they won't give me antibiotics again and give me
> predisolone which
> does not work as well but gives me some relief. When
> I saw my asthma
> story and the links on that site I printed
> everything off and took it
> to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and
> said I had COPD as
> well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally
> against the antibiotic
> treatment and said that you read all sorts on the
> internet and that
> azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well
> that was two weeks
> ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly
> walk now and I am
> going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so
> desperate. It is
> such a struggle at work and I am constantly
> exhausted. I have been
> thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I
> have found through
> the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate
> now. OK I may have
> COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of
> life with the
> antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to
> loose! My doctor said
> that if you have an infection you have a temperature
> but I have not.
> Is there any other way to tell if you have an
> infection. I live in
> England and wondered if this was an English problem
> that our doctors
> will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone
> any advice and is
> there any other way I can tell if I have an
> underlying infection that
> anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina
>
>


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Hi

I got adult onset asthma when I was 32 I am now 50 years of age. My
asthma has slowly got worse since a bout of pneumonia 7 years ago. I
started to surf the net for advice as my asthma worsened even though I
had stopped smoking. Before I heard about asthma and antibiotics I was
wondering myself if i had a problem with a stubborn infection. I do
have a medical history of getting infections over the years not just
resperatory but our family seems to be prone to infection. Each time I
am on a course of antibiotics I get much better after around 3 days
and continue to improve for the 5 days of the course. Eventually when
I have stopped the course I become worse and worse until I can stand
it no longer and demand antibiotics from my doctor again. Sometimes
they won't give me antibiotics again and give me predisolone which
does not work as well but gives me some relief. When I saw my asthma
story and the links on that site I printed everything off and took it
to my doctor. Who immediately did a spyrometry and said I had COPD as
well and changed my asthma meds. He is totally against the antibiotic
treatment and said that you read all sorts on the internet and that
azythromicine is a very expensive antibiotic. Well that was two weeks
ago now and I am still getting worse. I can hardly walk now and I am
going to visit my doctor again tomorrow as I am so desperate. It is
such a struggle at work and I am constantly exhausted. I have been
thinking of ordering AZYTHROMICINE from a site I have found through
the links on my asthma story as I am so desperate now. OK I may have
COPD but I am sure I could improve my quality of life with the
antibiotics if not, well I have got nothing to loose! My doctor said
that if you have an infection you have a temperature but I have not.
Is there any other way to tell if you have an infection. I live in
England and wondered if this was an English problem that our doctors
will just not accept this infection idea. Has anyone any advice and is
there any other way I can tell if I have an underlying infection that
anyone knows of. Thanks to anyone who can help. Gina

Hi everyone
iam beside myself tring to figure out what is going on with me. the
do\rs. keep saying its Asthma. which it may be some type. I have been
on and off Predisone  and antibotics so many times I cant count and it
doesnt help. but they just keep pushing them at me. I am also on
Advair 250/50. I have been reading on the infectious astma on the link
here an I would love for someone to tell me more about it. ther was
messages from Kim Pitsenburger and Maureen if either of you read this
please let me hear from you. and anyone else who has a clue about
this.they where call Dr, Hahn's Protocol and Dr, Wagshul protocol.

Please let me here from someone Very worryrd in Rhinelander wis.


                                      Nora

Kim, I had mine for over thirty years and I was treated with Dr. Hahn's
protocol almost four years ago.

The treatment with Azithromycin takes only twelve weeks, and Dr.
Wagshul's takes longer.  I faxed over a bunch of questions about his
protocol last week, and I will post his reply when I get it.  I know
that people who were on his protocol were on it for a minimum of nine
months, and some over a year.  I think he treats them for three months
at a time, but I don't know if he changes the medication, etc.  Those
are some of the questions I have.

I would definitely recommend Dr. Hahn's treatment with Azithromycin and
see what happens.  If it doesn't work, you can always try Dr. Wagshul's.

Maureen

Tina, I don't think five weeks of intense antibiotics would have
necessarily killed this off.  I would still try Dr. Hahn's protocol.

What "other meds" is he talking about?

Maureen

Elena, I used to have good days and bad days, too, and I would be so
worried that it wasn't working.  You just have to hang in there, and as
you said, what else can you do?

I don't know why there is that inconsistency during, and following,
treatment, but most of us experience it.  You go a week and think
you're in the clear, only to have three or four bad days, followed by
another good week.  I guess our lungs just need time to heal.

Great to hear from you - thanks for the update!

Maureen

Hi there everyone. I hope you are all doing well.

I have seen my GP about infectious asthma and the possibilities of
taking zithro. I gave him all the handouts to look at. He took a
glace and told me he is willing to give it a try. However he wants to
first try me on more different meds to see if it helps.

That is a bit frustrating but I can be patient for a little med
tryout. Now his reasoning was what confused me. I had ended up in
hospital a few years ago for three weeks with a weird lung infection
that was behaving like pnuemonia but the x-rays were clear. My wbc
count was extremely high so they knew there was infection somewhere.
I was on IV antibiotics of all types, including zithro for those 3
weeks and sent home with oral antibiotics for another two weeks. My
GP doc says he has doubts about it being infectious asthma since all
those treatments in and out of hospital for five weeks would have
killed off any lingering bacteria.

It was alot af antibiotics, so could this be true? Should i still
attempt a run at this or do I look into something else now?

-Tina

--- In infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, Maureen B
<maureenb1955@...> wrote:
>
> How is everyone doing?  Can we get some updates on
> those who are on antibiotics, or have finished them?
>
> Any questions from new people?
>
> It's too quiet here.  ;)
>
>
> Maureen
>
> Hi Maureen,
I'm in week 5 on azithr.I'm feeling pretty bad in this last
week,peack flow readings are going back at 500 from 750.No cold or
asthma attack ,just tightness in the chest all the time.I'm trying to
be patient,what else could I do?Anyway I don't have any explanation
for this  change.Time will tell if it's gonne work .Thanks,
Elena
>
>
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How is everyone doing?  Can we get some updates on
those who are on antibiotics, or have finished them?

Any questions from new people?

It's too quiet here.  ;)


Maureen



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Hey Al,
Well I am not sure about the spitting up blood thing.  Unless there
is just so much drainage that your sinuses are bleeding.  Do you see
an allergist or a pulmonary doc or an internist? I totally agree
with Maureen that specialist such as pulmonologists are usually very
closed minded. Dr. Robinson in the Macon area is supposed to be very
good.   I have used Advair in the past and it is great also there is
a new one out called Asmanex and it is wonderful too. Love it! I
have been able to taper off most of my steriods and I think it is
from the Asmanex and the Azithromycin. The Mucinex is good and I
think you should find that it will help keep the mucous moving so
you don't feel quite as congested.  Have you had a sinus study done
recently? That could answer some questions about the constant
drainage. The weather here in Middle Georgia has really been so
unpredictable lately that even the flowers can't make up their minds
whether or not they are going to bloom.  I have daffodils in my yard
that are blooming right now and it is just February!  So I think it
is tough for a lot of allergy sufferers because things are in bloom
that really shouldn't be right now.
infectious_asthma@yahoogroups.com, "bareback212003"
<bareback212003@...> wrote:
>
> Kim thanks for the reply. still trying to learn how to navigate
this site dont want to keep dragging everything forward  all the
time.
>
> I dont know if my case is as bad as some but to me it is.  I have
it all.  the cough hasnt stopped in over a year now, in the past 4
months its gotten really bad, had to drop out of choir.  I have the
tightness in the chest and neck. and glands on both sides of my neck
swell at times.  I have the shortness of breathe.  and the excess
mucus.  at nite when i sleep of course i am swallowing  so about
every  two or three days i have these throwing up spells  to get the
mucus out of my stomache because it cant process it.  heres what I
dont understand.....when I lie down for several hours  and get up  I
spit blood.  usually not a lot but any is too much. sometimes its
just pink others it is almost solid red.  sometimes throwing up it
is blood mixed too and the same sometimes not much sometimes solid
red.  and why am I spitting non-stop?  it has come to the point I
have to take a cup nearly everywhere  I go.
>
> Now my stomache is bloating.  I feel and look like i swallowed a
watermelon.
>
> the doc prescribed ambuterol and gave me a sample of another kind
of inhaler.  and also wanted me  to take mucinex.  I could tell no
improvements  except it seemed the albuterol  was helping.
>
> any ideas?  Im a basket case.
>
> thanks
> AL
>