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#88513 From: Clair Roper <clairnroper@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:27 am
Subject: Re: it's more than some news Gloria!
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Congratulations Gloria so pleased for you.
I know what you mean about doing a test I think the last time I did about 5 over 2 days and still did not believe it until I had my scan. Kept thinking I was having a phantom pregnancy.
 
Keep us posted, Clair xx


#88511 From: "egran03" <egran03@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 3:05 am
Subject: Re: PG with Twins and IUGR = caused by Immune problem ?! (PG mentioned)
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> if its just IUGR and bloodflow problem, im already on many vitamins
> and medicines (increased heparin dosage, Nitro patch, Trental,
> Persantin, 160mg aspirin for bloodflow and heraclene vitamins and
> amino acids to increase baby's weight) and its not really helping.
> she will give me 2 more weeks or she might "force" me to get IVIG
> which Im really scared of because of past experience.
> my R.I. said LIT at this late is not that effective anymore.
>
> any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.


Hi Marilyn & congratulations on your pregnancy!  I'm sorry you are
having to deal with this worry of one of your twins being smaller.

I see from your list of tx that you have so many bases covered.  I am
the old timer who went a completely natural and alternative health
route to overcome my cat 2,3 & 5 immune problems.  Maybe some of what
I did will help you now.

First - have you tried acupuncture?  This is beneficial in
surpressing the immune system and in increasing blood flow to the
baby.

Second - how is your diet?  Is it truly nutrient dense?  Check out
www.makersdiet.com - but really just get the book, The Makers Diet,
if this is of interest. I followed many of the main tenets of this
diet and didn't know it as I just discovered the book this year and
had my 2 all natural tx RI sons in 2005 and 2007.

Here are some of the keys to this diet:
- absolutely nothing artificial or synthetic
- whole grains only (the life force of wheat is stripped out to make
white flour - so no white flour products - period.)
- no other denatured foods - i.e. drink whole milk and eat whole milk
dairy products - your babies need fat to develop their brains -
pregnancy is not the time for a low fat diet.  Many cultures for
thousands of years have had a special diet for women and couples ttc -
  and there's nothing low fat about it.  No hydrogenated oils (again
denatured is not good.)
- organic as much as possible
- homemade bone broths for soups to cook whole grains etc.
- filter your water to make sure the chlorine is out - many
municipalities have toxic levels of chlorine in the water

Believe me, planning for and preparing my food during my past 2
pregnancies was just about a full time job.  But it was so worth it!
I believe The Makers Diet can be an incredible addition to any RI
patient's protocol and treatment plan.

Hope this outside the box advice is helpful.

Will keep you and both your babes in my thoughts and prayers,
Beth in NC

send many good thoughts your way t

#88510 From: "Nanci" <ndesousa@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 2:15 am
Subject: quest about SIRM
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I was wondering if anyone has every seen Dr. Peters from SIRM (PA/NJ).
I just emailed hid and asked hime a bunch of quest.  I was very
suprised to see that he responded so quickly...and on a Sunday
evening.  I actually wasn't expecting a response at all.  I asked him
if he could do immune testing.  He doesn't feel that it will give me an
answer.  I told him that I have unexplained IF and just found out that
I am Pos. for CT ( I am a patient of Dr. Toth).  He said that he will
do the testing  and he wants me to set up a consult.  If anyone has any
info about him I would greatly apprectiate it.

Nanci

#88509 From: njide nj <njidez4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thyriod and Lining problems
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Perme
here is a copy of the article
 

The Butterfly Effect: Thyroid Problems E-mail
conceive's library - reproductive threats

The thyroid is a butterfly-shaped gland in your neck. You probably don’t even know it’s there. But if it’s not working properly, you might not be able to get pregnant.

Mary Shomon was one of the lucky women who got pregnant within the first few months of trying. But when she called an obstetrician’s office to make an appointment, the office staff told her it wasn’t necessary for her to see a doctor until her eighth week. “I told them I needed to come in earlier because I have a thyroid problem. And they didn’t know what I was talking about,” she remembers.
     Mary insisted on seeing the doctor sooner, and when she did, she found out her thyroid hormone levels were already nearly outside the normal range. If her medication hadn’t been adjusted immediately, Mary would have risked losing the baby. Instead, she had a healthy pregnancy and delivered a baby girl, Julia, who is now a healthy eight year old.
     Mary has since become a patient advocate, disseminating information via books and the Web on the under-recognized problem of thyroid disease, especially in women of reproductive age. “Women are all told to take folic acid before getting pregnant, but no one tells you to get your thyroid checked,” she says.
     According to The Thyroid Foundation of America, there are as many as 8 million women in America with untreated thyroid disorders. For those of reproductive age, infertility or miscarriage may be the first sign that something is wrong.

When Things Go Too Slow. . .

Hypothyroidism, the condition of having an underactive thyroid, is the most common thyroid disorder. The slowed-down metabolism associated with it can manifest as constipation, heavier periods, weight gain, decrease in appetite, lethargy, depression, cognitive problems, fatigue, dry skin, cold intolerance, or muscle aches. “But individual patients have different symptoms that vary with severity,” explains Carolyn Coulam, M.D., a reproductive endocrinologist with The Rinehart Center for Reproductive Medicine in Chicago.
     Hypothyroidism can cause infertility by preventing ovulation—even when menstrual periods are occurring regularly. Women with undiagnosed hypothyroidism who do conceive have an elevated risk of miscarriage. And even hypothyroid women who’ve already been diagnosed, treated, and stabilized with medication—like Mary Shomon—need to be monitored closely. “Metabolism increases during pregnancy and often the thyroid can’t keep up,” explains Dr. Coulam. “Doses may need to be increased during pregnancy for some women.”
     Some women with an underactive thyroid may experience elevated levels of prolactin, the hormone that induces the production of breast milk in postpartum women. Excess prolactin can have a negative impact on fertility, again by preventing ovulation. Hypothyroidism’s effects on metabolism can also bring on a condition known as luteal phase defect. The luteal phase is the second half of the monthly cycle, lasting from ovulation to menstruation. It is normally 12 to 16 days long. But if the luteal phase chronically runs shorter than ten days, then the uterine lining can’t build up sufficiently for the embryo to implant, and it will be flushed from the body with the next menstrual period.

. . .Or Too Fast

The opposite scenario is hyperthyroidism, in which the thyroid gland becomes overactive and the body’s metabolism runs too fast. Signs of hyperthyroidism include more frequent bowel movements, weight loss, irregular periods, increased appetite, insomnia, nervousness, heat intolerance, hand tremors and heart palpitations.
     One common cause of hyperthyroidism is Graves’ disease, an autoimmune disorder which tends to run in families and affects the entire thyroid gland. Another cause of an overactive thyroid are so-called “hot nodules” that can form on the gland. In this case, most of the gland continues to perform normally, but the nodule contains cells that produce too much of the T4 hormone.
     Whatever the cause of the hyperthyroidism, the result is that the condition can sometimes prevent ovulation. But the bigger problem, according to Celia Dominguez, M.D., of Atlanta’s Emory Clinic, is that when a woman with hyperthyroidism conceives, her metabolism may be so out of balance that miscarriage or fetal death may result.

Simple Blood Tests

Thyroid disorders are easily detected by a couple of simple blood tests that measure levels of the thyroid hormones T4 (thyroxine) and TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone). TSH works like a thermostat; it’s produced by the pituitary gland to regulate thyroid function. Levels of this hormone may also become too high or too low, as the pituitary gland attempts to compensate for an over- or underactive gland. Together, these blood test results let doctors know whether the thyroid is functioning normally or not.
     There’s also a blood test that checks for the presence of anti-thyroid antibodies. High levels of these antibodies are typical of a thyroid disease called Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis (Mary Shomon’s eventual diagnosis), which always results in hypothyroidism. Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis is classified as an autoimmune disease, because the body has essentially turned against itself, forming antibodies that attack the cells in the thyroid and slow down production of thyroid hormone. The gland itself may compensate by becoming enlarged.

Preconception Planning

If your thyroid is underactive, your doctor will prescribe some form of a synthetic version of the T4 hormone. Your body will respond to it the same way it would to the real thing. While establishing the correct dose can be quite easy in some individuals, others will fluctuate up and down before stabilizing. During pregnancy, your doctor should do blood tests every month or two, then at least yearly once you’re stabilized.
     With hyperthyroidism, or overactivity, some treatments are designed to slow down the thyroid’s secretion of hormones. This can be done with anti-thyroid drugs, or with radioactive iodine that essentially kills part of the gland to slow down its hormone production. Radioactive iodine cannot be used in women who are already pregnant, however, and Dr. Dominguez stresses there should be a six-month waiting period after treatment before attempting to conceive.
     Normal laboratory TSH ranges are generally considered to be .3 to 5.5. For women who are already managing a thyroid disorder, experts generally agree that preconception planning is a must, and that medication should be adjusted until TSH levels are between 1 and 2 before a woman conceives. During pregnancy, an endocrinologist or an obstetrician that’s familiar with thyroid issues should monitor blood levels closely.
     Among the various threats to fertility, thyroid disorders are arguably the easiest to identify and treat. With a little extra attention on the part of your doctor, women with thyroid disorders—whether too slow or too fast—are very likely to have problem-free conceptions, normal pregnancies, and healthy babies.

Thyroid Theory

The thyroid is a large, butterfly-shaped gland located in the base of the neck. It manufactures a host of hormones, the most important being thyroxine (T4), which acts as a metabolism master. As more T4 is produced, virtually every cell in the body increases the rate at which it does its job—including those in the heart, which beats faster under the influence of T4. Conversely, when T4 levels fall, metabolism slows down. Ideally, the body maintains the perfect level of T4 hormone, and the perfect rate of metabolism.
     The most common thyroid disorders are marked by either too much T4 (hyperthyroidism) or too little T4 (hypothyroidism) in the body. The symptoms reflect the effects of a too-fast or too-slow metabolism. Depending on how severe the imbalance is, the symptoms may be so subtle that the condition goes unrecognized for years. Even worse, doctors may dismiss or discount a woman’s account of her symptoms. This happened to Mary Shomon: Even though she repeatedly visited her family doctor because of unexplained weight gain and heavy fatigue (classic symptoms of a slow thyroid), her doctor didn’t test her thyroid for several months. conceive

This article originally appeared in the Fall 2006 issue of conceive magazine.
 
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--- On Sun, 30/11/08, perme <perme@...> wrote:
From: perme <perme@...>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Re: Thyriod and Lining problems
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 4:59 PM

--- In immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com, "njidez4" <njidez4@... >
wrote:
>
Hello,

I was unable to access the article with the link. I was wondering if
you could help me access the link.

I have hashimotos and I have had multiple miscarriages and am
interested in reading the article.

Thank you.

> Thyriod and Lining problems
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
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> ----------
>
> Hi girls
> I saw this info, on how underactive thyriod can affect the luteal
> phase and the lining, see link below
>
> Some women with an underactive thyroid may experience elevated
levels
> of prolactin, the hormone that induces the production of breast
milk
> in postpartum women. Excess prolactin can have a negative impact on
> fertility, again by preventing ovulation. Hypothyroidism' s effects
on
> metabolism can also bring on a condition known as luteal phase
> defect. The luteal phase is the second half of the monthly cycle,
> lasting from ovulation to menstruation. It is normally 12 to 16
days
> long. But if the luteal phase chronically runs shorter than ten
days,
> then the uterine lining can't build up sufficiently for the embryo
to
> implant, and it will be flushed from the body with the next
menstrual
> period.
>
> http://www.conceive online.com/ index...= 143&Itemid= 126
>



#88508 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: immunoglobulin panel
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Cheers girls! Njide, I'm due to get my results 15 Dec, we're ttc
naturally. That's encouraging that you both got them done by GP. Thx
Sam, so it's maybe not a done deal that I'm heading for IVIg ;)

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, "manders41"
<manders41@...> wrote:
>
> Just wondered if anyone could help with a question. I received a
> letter from CARE today which was copied to my GP. It asks for me
to
> have these tests, namely IgG, IgA and IgM. My research shows they
> relate to infection and antibodies. I knew that these had to be
tested
> prior to using IVIg as if IgA is active then IVIg can't be used. I
> wonder whether with results already into CARE from Chicago this
leads
> them to know I need to get this checked as the results are showing
I
> need IVIg? Or maybe it is a routine test anyway? I know this may
just
> be wishful thinking on my part ;)
>
> I'm hoping my GP will be able to organise this test for me (anyone
had
> this done by their GP?)and quickly as I'd like to have the result
for
> our review at CARE 15 Dec.
>
> Any thoughts for me?
>
> Cheers
>
> X+x
>

#88507 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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Just wanted to say how interesting it was to read your posts. I knew
that thyroid impacted on my fertility  as when my thyroid point
showed thru reflexology I couldnt' fall pg but when it disappeared
thru use of acupuncture and herbs I fall pg straight away. I've been
battling with Drs for 2 yrs to recognise this but as my TSH was
in 'normal range' they refused to believe me. I've recently been to
see an RI and he noticed that my free T4 is very low but still in
range and hopefully I will be treated soon with thyroxine. I'll be
getting my immune test results back 15 Dec so will see what else has
been 'at play'. My ATAs are ok. I knew that thyroid impacted on
fertility but wasn't so sure about miscarriages but my RI believes
this. Thank goodness I've found him :)

Pooja, I don't think your FSH is that high. I've heard great reports
of acupuncture and herbs working on getting FSH down so you might
like to think if this is something you would investigate. Good luck
with getting your thyroid corrected.

Mandy

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, Pooja Tiwari
<poojat2005@...> wrote:
>
> Dear JoAnn,
>
> Your reply sounds so much like how I am thinking now - not wasting
a single month and heading staright to IVF and getting pregnant! its
spooky!!
>
> Hm... So I really need to wait, think through things, take
everything under my control and go from there. I am 32 years old
with FSH of 7.1 and TSH at 1.44. I do have age on my mind, all
through.
>
> Although, my RE is concerned about my FSH, which she says is high.
I really hope things work out for me naturally as well. I am so
thankful to you for writting in detail and explaining things.
>
> much thanks,
> Pooja
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...>
> To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:17:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
>
>
> Dear Pooja:
>
> I am happy to answer your questions. I am not a Dr. Beer expert, I
actually just finished his book, but I think I am right in saying
that those of us with elevated Thyroid Peroxidase have high NK cells
(generally) too. See an overactive immune system is what causes our
thyroid to be attacked by these antibodies. I read in the back of
Dr. Beer's it is probably caused by some kind of exposure to a
virus, but one also has to have the genetic predisposition. For some
people, their autoimmune disfunction manifests in their thyroids,
for others its arthritis, for others its lupus, for others its
psorasis, for others its diabetes, ectera, ecetera, ecetera. For you
and I its our thyroid.
>
> Yes, I did have the other autoimmune testing done. My NK cells
where elevated at 21%, actually! This corresponds to a very negative
pregnancy outcome.
>
> It sounds to me that that you need to have the NK assay test done
at a minimum. The thyroid is a marker of an overactive immune
system. This malfuncting immune problem is going to cause
implantation failure (which manifests as unexplained infertility)
and/or miscarriages.
>
> So, it is my understanding that the thyroid is a major red flag.
It is kinda a good one to have because it really leaps out at the
immune doctors though regular endocrinologists and traditional
reproductive endocrinologist don't get the connection, I have found.
>
> See, one needs to treat the underlying problem.
>
> My elevated NK activity is being treated with IVIG. I have only
had it once and I am not even sure what it has gone down to. I have
yet to be retested. I got pregnant so fast when my thyroid levels
went into range, that I didn't even have time to get a round of IVIG
pre-conception!
>
> Having anti-thyroid antibodies, by the way, I have heard is not
good for your baby while you are pregnant anyways. It is important
to tame these levels down for your baby's health, not just to get
pregnant.
>
> For you, you are going to do ART/IVF which is very expensive and
challenging. So, it behooves you to take care of your thyroid
problem before you spend the money and the emotional energy.
>
> Someone told me to "take care of your thyroid problem" this last
May. But, I was too stubborn and anxious to listen to them. I
thought I am NOT going to waste another month NOT trying to get
pregnant! Plus I had all these doctors telling me that plenty of
women get pregnant with hyperthyrodism and three told me it had
nothing to do getting pregnant or staying pregnant anyways.
>
> I tried to pass over my thyroid problem and tried really, really
hard, during this time, to just get pregnant but to no avail. At
first, I didn't even want to take PTU because the side effects
sounded scary.
>
> Then, I said, wait---I have been infertile for 7 years! I have to
change my tune.
>
> So, I decided to focus on my stupid thyroid 100%!
>
> I went to three endocrinologists, only 1 would listen to me.
>
> I finally got a perscription for PTU, I starting taking Selenium
supplements and I even interviewed a thyroid surgeon just in case I
needed it!
>
> I initially took a strong dose of PTU, 200 ml for a month or so. I
insisted that my endocrinologist check my levels every 2 weeks, well
he wouldn't so that's why I just got three different ones, and
between them, I got my levels checked every 2 weeks or so.
>
> I ordered copies of my blood tests from Quest so I could see my
progress.
>
> At first my TSH would not budge. That's when I added the Selenium.
> Eventually, my TSI went below the cut off. The cut off is 125.
> My TPO also went down by about half.
>
> But, I also decided to go for the full immune treatments as well.
So, I did IVIG and the other protocols given to me.
>
> I hope this helps. It sounds like your RE is good but you HAVE TO
take your thyroid health into your own hands for not only your good
but your baby's good.
>
> I don't know why these RE's do not know more about the connection
between the thyroid and the ability to get pregnant. I don't want to
think that they are purposefully trying to be ignorant, but
unfortunately, that is the conclusion I have reached after 5 months
of research.
>
> You are on the right path. Keep insisting that any test you want
performed gets done.
> Soon, you will put the whole puzzle together. And, who knows, (I
don't know what your ovarian reserve situation is) but, like me, you
might find yourself achieving pregnancy naturally.
>
> And, by the way, I am not a spring chicken. I am 38 years old.
>
> Yours fondly,
>
> JoAnn.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:28 AM
>
>
> Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel
your 7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can
do is nothing about it.
>
> I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be
more to this "unexplained" thing.
>
> I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me
think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti
Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me.
Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti
Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then
only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.
>
> Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly,
thats so much encouraging! !
>
> I have one more question - As I was going through archives and
file section, I found some information saying If you have Anti
Thyroid problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems
within like killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or
just went with Thyroid treatment?
> My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other
than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other
tests like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own.
But if I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot
afford. So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and
go with her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and
not bother about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done,
wait for the results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound
really confused but that is where I am.
>
> thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
> Pooja
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@yahoo. com>
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
>
>
> Dear Pooja:
>
> I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid
Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know
it. I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
>
> Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of
PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right
away and eventually my TSH up into range.
>
> My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out
of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold,
during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got
pregnant (naturally).
>
> To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of
a positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't
not expect to get pregnant this cycle).
>
> Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be
hard at all to bring you into range.
>
> Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about
this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with
my ability to get or stay pregnant.
>
> But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between
Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
> thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early
miscarriage.
>
> Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should
tackle this issue ASAP.
>
> As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid
issues got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear
from anyone else, it was the truth.
>
> Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident
going forward.
>
> As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my
thyroid levels fell into line.
>
> I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you),
but I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is
autoimmune.. ..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying
autoimmune causation anyways.
>
> I hope this helps!
>
> JoAnn
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My
Thyroid
> Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
> Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".
>
> What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
> Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the
treatment
> for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning
IVF
> cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
> the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
> pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .
>
> thanks a lot!
> Pooja
>

#88506 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: Thyriod and Lining problems
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Yes thyroid impacts on such a lot, that's why the list of symptoms
from thyroid can be so long! I know from the Dr Peatfield book it
can impact on progesterone and therefore that follows that fertility
will be compromised. That connects with the LP being affected too.
Dr P feels that it impacts on fertility and causes miscarriages. I
wasn't too sure the latter was as proven but after George agreed
when I asked the question I don't doubt it now.

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, "njidez4" <njidez4@...>
wrote:
>
>  Thyriod and Lining problems
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> ----------
>
> Hi girls
> I saw this info, on how underactive thyriod can affect the luteal
> phase and the lining, see link below
>
> Some women with an underactive thyroid may experience elevated
levels
> of prolactin, the hormone that induces the production of breast
milk
> in postpartum women. Excess prolactin can have a negative impact
on
> fertility, again by preventing ovulation. Hypothyroidism's effects
on
> metabolism can also bring on a condition known as luteal phase
> defect. The luteal phase is the second half of the monthly cycle,
> lasting from ovulation to menstruation. It is normally 12 to 16
days
> long. But if the luteal phase chronically runs shorter than ten
days,
> then the uterine lining can't build up sufficiently for the embryo
to
> implant, and it will be flushed from the body with the next
menstrual
> period.
>
> http://www.conceiveonline.com/index...=143&Itemid=126
>

#88505 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: PG with Twins and IUGR = caused by Immune problem ?! (PG mentioned)
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So sorry Marilyn you are having such a worry. In addition to
checking these other websites you could re-post your question FAO
JANE and hopefully she will pick up on it. I'm sorry I don't have
the knowledge to help you.

Thinking of you and hang in there.

Mandy

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, "emailme_marilyn"
<emailme_marilyn@...> wrote:
>
> hi. i have immune problem to start with and I had 6 paternal LITs
> during the 1st trimester. I never had IVIG this pregnancy because
I
> miscarry 2x before 2 days after IVIG.
>
> Now im on my 23rd week, one twin is measuring a week behind and
the
> other 2-3weeks behind.
> i wonder if IUGR and discordant twin is a manifestation of immune
> problems with twins pregnancy? my OB said my "smaller" twin still
> have absent diastolic flow (?) because of the umbilical bloodflow
is
> not smooth. she can't really say if its cause of immune problem.
>
> Both sides of my uterine bloodflow and bigger twin's bloodflow is
> good.
>
> if its just IUGR and bloodflow problem, im already on many
vitamins
> and medicines (increased heparin dosage, Nitro patch, Trental,
> Persantin, 160mg aspirin for bloodflow and heraclene vitamins and
> amino acids to increase baby's weight) and its not really helping.
> she will give me 2 more weeks or she might "force" me to get IVIG
> which Im really scared of because of past experience.
> my R.I. said LIT at this late is not that effective anymore.
>
> any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.
>
> marilyn
>

#88504 From: "sbebb" <sbebb@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: immunoglobulin panel
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Hi Mandy
I had a letter stating that I needed the full immunoglobulin panel
too. The same letter was also sent to my GP and they did the lot for
me:) Don't worry. Glad you have your flight all booked - man the
lengths we all have to go to! But let's keep going girls! LOL Mandy
Sam x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, "manders41" <manders41@...>
wrote:
>
> Just wondered if anyone could help with a question. I received a
> letter from CARE today which was copied to my GP. It asks for me to
> have these tests, namely IgG, IgA and IgM. My research shows they
> relate to infection and antibodies. I knew that these had to be tested
> prior to using IVIg as if IgA is active then IVIg can't be used. I
> wonder whether with results already into CARE from Chicago this leads
> them to know I need to get this checked as the results are showing I
> need IVIg? Or maybe it is a routine test anyway? I know this may just
> be wishful thinking on my part ;)
>
> I'm hoping my GP will be able to organise this test for me (anyone had
> this done by their GP?)and quickly as I'd like to have the result for
> our review at CARE 15 Dec.
>
> Any thoughts for me?
>
> Cheers
>
> X+x
>

#88503 From: njide nj <njidez4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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pooja, what was your TSH, this needs to be between 1-2,
Check out the website below on underactive thyriod
 
http://www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=139078.0

--- On Sun, 30/11/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@...> wrote:
From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@...>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 3:05 PM

Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .

thanks a lot!
Pooja



#88502 From: njide nj <njidez4@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: PG with Twins and IUGR = caused by Immune problem ?! (PG mentioned)
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I would suggest you post this email on the 2 websites below, there would Drs to answer you
 
 
 
http://www.inciid.org/forum/index.php

--- On Sun, 30/11/08, emailme_marilyn <emailme_marilyn@...> wrote:
From: emailme_marilyn <emailme_marilyn@...>
Subject: [immunologysupport] PG with Twins and IUGR = caused by Immune problem ?! (PG mentioned)
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 3:01 AM

hi. i have immune problem to start with and I had 6 paternal LITs
during the 1st trimester. I never had IVIG this pregnancy because I
miscarry 2x before 2 days after IVIG.

Now im on my 23rd week, one twin is measuring a week behind and the
other 2-3weeks behind.
i wonder if IUGR and discordant twin is a manifestation of immune
problems with twins pregnancy? my OB said my "smaller" twin still
have absent diastolic flow (?) because of the umbilical bloodflow is
not smooth. she can't really say if its cause of immune problem.

Both sides of my uterine bloodflow and bigger twin's bloodflow is
good.

if its just IUGR and bloodflow problem, im already on many vitamins
and medicines (increased heparin dosage, Nitro patch, Trental,
Persantin, 160mg aspirin for bloodflow and heraclene vitamins and
amino acids to increase baby's weight) and its not really helping.
she will give me 2 more weeks or she might "force" me to get IVIG
which Im really scared of because of past experience.
my R.I. said LIT at this late is not that effective anymore.

any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

marilyn



#88501 From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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Dear JoAnn,

Your reply sounds so much like how I am thinking now - not wasting a single month and heading staright to IVF and getting pregnant! its spooky!!

Hm... So I really need to wait, think through things, take everything under my control and go from there. I am 32 years old with FSH of 7.1 and TSH at 1.44. I do have age on my mind, all through.

Although, my RE is concerned about my FSH, which she says is high. I really hope things work out for me naturally as well. I am so thankful to you for writting in detail and explaining things.

much thanks,
Pooja


From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...>
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:17:20 AM
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase

Dear Pooja:
 
I am happy to answer your questions. I am not a Dr. Beer expert, I actually just finished his book, but I think I am right in saying that those of us with elevated Thyroid Peroxidase have high NK cells (generally) too. See an overactive immune system is what causes our thyroid to be attacked by these antibodies. I read in the back of Dr. Beer's it is probably caused by some kind of exposure to a virus, but one also has to have the genetic predisposition. For some people, their autoimmune disfunction manifests in their thyroids, for others its arthritis, for others its lupus, for others its psorasis, for others its diabetes, ectera, ecetera, ecetera. For you and I its our thyroid.
 
Yes, I did have the other autoimmune testing done. My NK cells where elevated at 21%, actually! This corresponds to a very negative pregnancy outcome.
 
It sounds to me that that you need to have the NK assay test done at a minimum. The thyroid is a marker of an overactive immune system. This malfuncting immune problem is going to cause implantation failure (which manifests as unexplained infertility) and/or miscarriages.
 
So, it is my understanding that the thyroid is a major red flag. It is kinda a good one to have because it really leaps out at the immune doctors though regular endocrinologists and traditional reproductive endocrinologist don't get the connection, I have found.
 
See, one needs to treat the underlying problem.
 
My elevated NK activity is being treated with IVIG. I have only had it once and I am not even sure what it has gone down to. I have yet to be retested. I got pregnant so fast when my thyroid levels went into range, that I didn't even have time to get a round of IVIG pre-conception!
 
Having anti-thyroid antibodies, by the way, I have heard is not good for your baby while you are pregnant anyways. It is important to tame these levels down for your baby's health, not just to get pregnant.
 
For you, you are going to do ART/IVF which is very expensive and challenging. So, it behooves you to take care of your thyroid problem before you spend the money and the emotional energy.

Someone told me to "take care of your thyroid problem" this last May. But, I was too stubborn and anxious to listen to them. I thought I am NOT going to waste another month NOT trying to get pregnant! Plus I had all these doctors telling me that plenty of women get pregnant with hyperthyrodism and three told me it had nothing to do getting pregnant or staying pregnant anyways.
 
I tried to pass over my thyroid problem and tried really, really hard, during this time, to just get pregnant but to no avail. At first, I didn't even want to take PTU because the side effects sounded scary.
 
Then, I said, wait---I have been infertile for 7 years! I have to change my tune.
 
So, I decided to focus on my stupid thyroid 100%!
 
I went to three endocrinologists, only 1 would listen to me.
 
I finally got a perscription for PTU, I starting taking Selenium supplements and I even interviewed a thyroid surgeon just in case I needed it!
 
I initially took a strong dose of PTU, 200 ml for a month or so. I insisted that my endocrinologist check my levels every 2 weeks, well he wouldn't so that's why I just got three different ones, and between them, I got my levels checked every 2 weeks or so.
 
I ordered copies of my blood tests from Quest so I could see my progress. 
At first my TSH would not budge. That's when I added the Selenium.
Eventually, my TSI went below the cut off. The cut off is 125.
My TPO also went down by about half.
 
But, I also decided to go for the full immune treatments as well. So, I did IVIG and the other protocols given to me.
 
I hope this helps. It sounds like your RE is good but you HAVE TO take your thyroid health into your own hands for not only your good but your baby's good.

I don't know why these RE's do not know more about the connection between the thyroid and the ability to get pregnant. I don't want to think that they are purposefully trying to be ignorant, but unfortunately, that is the conclusion I have reached after 5 months of research.
 
You are on the right path. Keep insisting that any test you want performed gets done.
Soon, you will put the whole puzzle together. And, who knows, (I don't know what your ovarian reserve situation is) but, like me, you might find yourself achieving pregnancy naturally.
 
And, by the way, I am not a spring chicken. I am 38 years old.
 
Yours fondly,
 
JoAnn.

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:28 AM

Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel your 7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can do is nothing about it.

I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be more to this "unexplained" thing.

I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me. Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.

Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly, thats so much encouraging! !

I have one more question - As I was going through archives and file section, I found some information saying If you have Anti Thyroid problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems within like killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or just went with Thyroid treatment?
My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other tests like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own. But if I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot afford. So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and go with her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and not bother about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done, wait for the results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound really confused but that is where I am.

thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
Pooja


From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@yahoo. com>
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase

Dear Pooja:
 
I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it. I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
 
Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away and eventually my TSH up into range.
 
My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold, during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant (naturally).
 
To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not expect to get pregnant this cycle).
 
Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard at all to bring you into range.
 
Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with my ability to get or stay pregnant.
 
But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early miscarriage.
 
Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should tackle this issue ASAP.
 
As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone else, it was the truth.
 
Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going forward.
 
As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my thyroid levels fell into line.

I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune.. ..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation anyways.
 
I hope this helps!
 
JoAnn

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM

Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .

thanks a lot!
Pooja




#88500 From: "angelinevic" <angelinevic@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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Sorry to budge in Joann, but what is PTU? I too have Hashimoto's and
they have gone up again after I started doing a metal detox.

Thanks,
Rachel

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Pooja:
> 
> I am happy to answer your questions. I am not a Dr. Beer expert, I
actually just finished his book, but I think I am right in saying that
those of us with elevated Thyroid Peroxidase have high NK cells
(generally) too. See an overactive immune system is what causes our
thyroid to be attacked by these antibodies. I read in the back of Dr.
Beer's it is probably caused by some kind of exposure to a virus, but
one also has to have the genetic predisposition. For some people,
their autoimmune disfunction manifests in their thyroids, for others
its arthritis, for others its lupus, for others its psorasis, for
others its diabetes, ectera, ecetera, ecetera. For you and I its our
thyroid.
> 
> Yes,I did have the other autoimmune testing done.MyNK cells where
elevated at 21%, actually! This corresponds to a very negative
pregnancy outcome.
> 
> It sounds to me that that you need to have the NK assay test done at
a minimum. The thyroid is a marker of an overactive immune system.
Thismalfuncting immune problem is going to cause implantation failure
(which manifests as unexplained infertility) and/or miscarriages.
> 
> So, it is my understanding that the thyroid is a major red flag. It
is kinda a good one to have because it really leaps out at the immune
doctors though regular endocrinologists and traditional reproductive
endocrinologist don't get the connection, I have found.
> 
> See, one needs to treat the underlying problem.
> 
> My elevated NK activity is being treated with IVIG. I have only had
it once and I am not even sure what it has gone down to. I have yet to
be retested. I got pregnant so fast when my thyroid levels went into
range, that I didn't even have time to get a round of IVIG pre-conception!
> 
> Having anti-thyroid antibodies, by the way, I have heard is not good
for your baby while you are pregnant anyways.It is important totame
these levelsdown for your baby's health, not just to get pregnant.
> 
> For you, you are going to do ART/IVF which is very expensive and
challenging. So, it behooves you to take care of your thyroid problem
before you spend the money and the emotional energy.
>
> Someone told me to "take care of your thyroid problem" this last
May. But, I was too stubborn and anxious to listen to them. I thought
I am NOT going to wasteanother monthNOT trying to get pregnant!Plus
I had all these doctors telling me that plenty of women get pregnant
with hyperthyrodism and three told me it had nothing to do getting
pregnant or staying pregnant anyways.
> 
> I tried to pass over my thyroid problem and tried really, really
hard, during this time, to just get pregnant but to no avail. At
first, I didn't even want to take PTU because the side effects sounded
scary.
> 
> Then, I said, wait---Ihave been infertile for 7 years! Ihave to
change my tune.
> 
> So, I decidedto focus onmy stupid thyroid 100%!
> 
> I went to three endocrinologists, only 1 would listen to me.
> 
> I finally got a perscription for PTU, I starting taking Selenium
supplements and I eveninterviewed athyroid surgeonjust in case
Ineeded it!
> 
> I initially took a strong dose of PTU, 200 ml for a month or so. I
insisted that my endocrinologist check my levels every 2 weeks,
wellhe wouldn't so that's why I just got three different ones, and
between them, I got my levels checked every 2 weeksor so.
> 
> I ordered copies of my bloodtests from Quest so Icould see my
progress.
>
> At first my TSH would not budge. That's when I added the Selenium.
> Eventually, my TSI went below the cut off. The cut off is 125.
> My TPO also went down by about half.
> 
> But, I also decided to go for the full immune treatments as well.
So, I did IVIG and the other protocols given to me.
> 
> I hope this helps. It sounds like your RE is good but you HAVE TO
take your thyroid health into your own hands for not only your good
but your baby's good.
>
> I don't know why these RE's do not know more about the connection
between the thyroid and the ability to get pregnant. I don't want to
think that they are purposefully trying to be ignorant, but
unfortunately, that is the conclusion I have reached after 5 months of
research.
> 
> You are on the right path. Keep insisting that any test you want
performed gets done.
> Soon, you will put the whole puzzle together. And, who knows, (I
don't know what your ovarian reserve situation is) but, like me, you
might find yourself achieving pregnancy naturally.
> 
> And, by the way, I am not a spring chicken. I am 38 years old.
> 
> Yours fondly,
> 
> JoAnn.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...> wrote:
>
> From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...>
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:28 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel your
7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can do is
nothing about it.
>
> I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be
more to this "unexplained" thing.
>
> I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me
think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti
Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me.
Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti
Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then
only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.
>
> Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly,
thats so much encouraging! !
>
> I have one more question - As I was going through archives and file
section, I found some information saying If you have Anti Thyroid
problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems within like
killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or just went with
Thyroid treatment?
> My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other
than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other tests
like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own. But if
I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot afford.
So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and go with
her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and not bother
about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done, wait for the
results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound really confused
but that is where I am.
>
> thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
> Pooja
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@yahoo. com>
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Pooja:
> 
> I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid
Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it.
I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
> 
> Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of
PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away
and eventually my TSH up into range.
> 
> My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out
of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold,
during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant
(naturally).
> 
> To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a
positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not
expect to get pregnant this cycle).
> 
> Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard
at all to bring you into range.
> 
> Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about
this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with
my ability to get or stay pregnant.
> 
> But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between
Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
> thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early
miscarriage.
> 
> Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should
tackle this issue ASAP.
> 
> As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues
got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone
else, it was the truth.
> 
> Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going
forward.
> 
> As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my
thyroid levels fell into line.
>
> I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but
I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune..
..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation
anyways.
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
> JoAnn
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
> Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
> Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".
>
> What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
> Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
> for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
> cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
> the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
> pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .
>
> thanks a lot!
> Pooja
>

#88499 From: "angelinevic" <angelinevic@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
angelinevic
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Sorry to budge in Joann, but what is PTU? I too have Hashimoto's and
they have gone up again after I started doing a metal detox.

Rachel

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Pooja:
> 
> I am happy to answer your questions. I am not a Dr. Beer expert, I
actually just finished his book, but I think I am right in saying that
those of us with elevated Thyroid Peroxidase have high NK cells
(generally) too. See an overactive immune system is what causes our
thyroid to be attacked by these antibodies. I read in the back of Dr.
Beer's it is probably caused by some kind of exposure to a virus, but
one also has to have the genetic predisposition. For some people,
their autoimmune disfunction manifests in their thyroids, for others
its arthritis, for others its lupus, for others its psorasis, for
others its diabetes, ectera, ecetera, ecetera. For you and I its our
thyroid.
> 
> Yes,I did have the other autoimmune testing done.MyNK cells where
elevated at 21%, actually! This corresponds to a very negative
pregnancy outcome.
> 
> It sounds to me that that you need to have the NK assay test done at
a minimum. The thyroid is a marker of an overactive immune system.
Thismalfuncting immune problem is going to cause implantation failure
(which manifests as unexplained infertility) and/or miscarriages.
> 
> So, it is my understanding that the thyroid is a major red flag. It
is kinda a good one to have because it really leaps out at the immune
doctors though regular endocrinologists and traditional reproductive
endocrinologist don't get the connection, I have found.
> 
> See, one needs to treat the underlying problem.
> 
> My elevated NK activity is being treated with IVIG. I have only had
it once and I am not even sure what it has gone down to. I have yet to
be retested. I got pregnant so fast when my thyroid levels went into
range, that I didn't even have time to get a round of IVIG pre-conception!
> 
> Having anti-thyroid antibodies, by the way, I have heard is not good
for your baby while you are pregnant anyways.It is important totame
these levelsdown for your baby's health, not just to get pregnant.
> 
> For you, you are going to do ART/IVF which is very expensive and
challenging. So, it behooves you to take care of your thyroid problem
before you spend the money and the emotional energy.
>
> Someone told me to "take care of your thyroid problem" this last
May. But, I was too stubborn and anxious to listen to them. I thought
I am NOT going to wasteanother monthNOT trying to get pregnant!Plus
I had all these doctors telling me that plenty of women get pregnant
with hyperthyrodism and three told me it had nothing to do getting
pregnant or staying pregnant anyways.
> 
> I tried to pass over my thyroid problem and tried really, really
hard, during this time, to just get pregnant but to no avail. At
first, I didn't even want to take PTU because the side effects sounded
scary.
> 
> Then, I said, wait---Ihave been infertile for 7 years! Ihave to
change my tune.
> 
> So, I decidedto focus onmy stupid thyroid 100%!
> 
> I went to three endocrinologists, only 1 would listen to me.
> 
> I finally got a perscription for PTU, I starting taking Selenium
supplements and I eveninterviewed athyroid surgeonjust in case
Ineeded it!
> 
> I initially took a strong dose of PTU, 200 ml for a month or so. I
insisted that my endocrinologist check my levels every 2 weeks,
wellhe wouldn't so that's why I just got three different ones, and
between them, I got my levels checked every 2 weeksor so.
> 
> I ordered copies of my bloodtests from Quest so Icould see my
progress.
>
> At first my TSH would not budge. That's when I added the Selenium.
> Eventually, my TSI went below the cut off. The cut off is 125.
> My TPO also went down by about half.
> 
> But, I also decided to go for the full immune treatments as well.
So, I did IVIG and the other protocols given to me.
> 
> I hope this helps. It sounds like your RE is good but you HAVE TO
take your thyroid health into your own hands for not only your good
but your baby's good.
>
> I don't know why these RE's do not know more about the connection
between the thyroid and the ability to get pregnant. I don't want to
think that they are purposefully trying to be ignorant, but
unfortunately, that is the conclusion I have reached after 5 months of
research.
> 
> You are on the right path. Keep insisting that any test you want
performed gets done.
> Soon, you will put the whole puzzle together. And, who knows, (I
don't know what your ovarian reserve situation is) but, like me, you
might find yourself achieving pregnancy naturally.
> 
> And, by the way, I am not a spring chicken. I am 38 years old.
> 
> Yours fondly,
> 
> JoAnn.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...> wrote:
>
> From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...>
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:28 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel your
7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can do is
nothing about it.
>
> I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be
more to this "unexplained" thing.
>
> I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me
think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti
Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me.
Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti
Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then
only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.
>
> Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly,
thats so much encouraging! !
>
> I have one more question - As I was going through archives and file
section, I found some information saying If you have Anti Thyroid
problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems within like
killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or just went with
Thyroid treatment?
> My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other
than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other tests
like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own. But if
I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot afford.
So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and go with
her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and not bother
about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done, wait for the
results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound really confused
but that is where I am.
>
> thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
> Pooja
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@yahoo. com>
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Pooja:
> 
> I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid
Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it.
I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
> 
> Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of
PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away
and eventually my TSH up into range.
> 
> My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out
of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold,
during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant
(naturally).
> 
> To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a
positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not
expect to get pregnant this cycle).
> 
> Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard
at all to bring you into range.
> 
> Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about
this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with
my ability to get or stay pregnant.
> 
> But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between
Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
> thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early
miscarriage.
> 
> Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should
tackle this issue ASAP.
> 
> As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues
got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone
else, it was the truth.
> 
> Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going
forward.
> 
> As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my
thyroid levels fell into line.
>
> I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but
I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune..
..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation
anyways.
> 
> I hope this helps!
> 
> JoAnn
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
> To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
> Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
> Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".
>
> What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
> Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
> for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
> cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
> the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
> pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .
>
> thanks a lot!
> Pooja
>

#88498 From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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Dear Pooja:
 
I am happy to answer your questions. I am not a Dr. Beer expert, I actually just finished his book, but I think I am right in saying that those of us with elevated Thyroid Peroxidase have high NK cells (generally) too. See an overactive immune system is what causes our thyroid to be attacked by these antibodies. I read in the back of Dr. Beer's it is probably caused by some kind of exposure to a virus, but one also has to have the genetic predisposition. For some people, their autoimmune disfunction manifests in their thyroids, for others its arthritis, for others its lupus, for others its psorasis, for others its diabetes, ectera, ecetera, ecetera. For you and I its our thyroid.
 
Yes, I did have the other autoimmune testing done. My NK cells where elevated at 21%, actually! This corresponds to a very negative pregnancy outcome.
 
It sounds to me that that you need to have the NK assay test done at a minimum. The thyroid is a marker of an overactive immune system. This malfuncting immune problem is going to cause implantation failure (which manifests as unexplained infertility) and/or miscarriages.
 
So, it is my understanding that the thyroid is a major red flag. It is kinda a good one to have because it really leaps out at the immune doctors though regular endocrinologists and traditional reproductive endocrinologist don't get the connection, I have found.
 
See, one needs to treat the underlying problem.
 
My elevated NK activity is being treated with IVIG. I have only had it once and I am not even sure what it has gone down to. I have yet to be retested. I got pregnant so fast when my thyroid levels went into range, that I didn't even have time to get a round of IVIG pre-conception!
 
Having anti-thyroid antibodies, by the way, I have heard is not good for your baby while you are pregnant anyways. It is important to tame these levels down for your baby's health, not just to get pregnant.
 
For you, you are going to do ART/IVF which is very expensive and challenging. So, it behooves you to take care of your thyroid problem before you spend the money and the emotional energy.

Someone told me to "take care of your thyroid problem" this last May. But, I was too stubborn and anxious to listen to them. I thought I am NOT going to waste another month NOT trying to get pregnant! Plus I had all these doctors telling me that plenty of women get pregnant with hyperthyrodism and three told me it had nothing to do getting pregnant or staying pregnant anyways.
 
I tried to pass over my thyroid problem and tried really, really hard, during this time, to just get pregnant but to no avail. At first, I didn't even want to take PTU because the side effects sounded scary.
 
Then, I said, wait---I have been infertile for 7 years! I have to change my tune.
 
So, I decided to focus on my stupid thyroid 100%!
 
I went to three endocrinologists, only 1 would listen to me.
 
I finally got a perscription for PTU, I starting taking Selenium supplements and I even interviewed a thyroid surgeon just in case I needed it!
 
I initially took a strong dose of PTU, 200 ml for a month or so. I insisted that my endocrinologist check my levels every 2 weeks, well he wouldn't so that's why I just got three different ones, and between them, I got my levels checked every 2 weeks or so.
 
I ordered copies of my blood tests from Quest so I could see my progress. 
At first my TSH would not budge. That's when I added the Selenium.
Eventually, my TSI went below the cut off. The cut off is 125.
My TPO also went down by about half.
 
But, I also decided to go for the full immune treatments as well. So, I did IVIG and the other protocols given to me.
 
I hope this helps. It sounds like your RE is good but you HAVE TO take your thyroid health into your own hands for not only your good but your baby's good.

I don't know why these RE's do not know more about the connection between the thyroid and the ability to get pregnant. I don't want to think that they are purposefully trying to be ignorant, but unfortunately, that is the conclusion I have reached after 5 months of research.
 
You are on the right path. Keep insisting that any test you want performed gets done.
Soon, you will put the whole puzzle together. And, who knows, (I don't know what your ovarian reserve situation is) but, like me, you might find yourself achieving pregnancy naturally.
 
And, by the way, I am not a spring chicken. I am 38 years old.
 
Yours fondly,
 
JoAnn.

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...> wrote:
From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...>
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:28 AM

Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel your 7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can do is nothing about it.

I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be more to this "unexplained" thing.

I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me. Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.

Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly, thats so much encouraging! !

I have one more question - As I was going through archives and file section, I found some information saying If you have Anti Thyroid problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems within like killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or just went with Thyroid treatment?
My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other tests like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own. But if I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot afford. So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and go with her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and not bother about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done, wait for the results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound really confused but that is where I am.

thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
Pooja


From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@yahoo. com>
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase

Dear Pooja:
 
I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it. I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
 
Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away and eventually my TSH up into range.
 
My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold, during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant (naturally).
 
To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not expect to get pregnant this cycle).
 
Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard at all to bring you into range.
 
Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with my ability to get or stay pregnant.
 
But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early miscarriage.
 
Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should tackle this issue ASAP.
 
As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone else, it was the truth.
 
Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going forward.
 
As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my thyroid levels fell into line.

I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune.. ..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation anyways.
 
I hope this helps!
 
JoAnn

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM

Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .

thanks a lot!
Pooja



#88497 From: "perme" <perme@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: Thyriod and Lining problems
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--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, "njidez4" <njidez4@...>
wrote:
>
Hello,

I was unable to access the article with the link.  I was wondering if
you could help me access the link.

I have hashimotos  and I have had multiple miscarriages and am
interested in reading the article.

Thank you.

>  Thyriod and Lining problems
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----------
>
> Hi girls
> I saw this info, on how underactive thyriod can affect the luteal
> phase and the lining, see link below
>
> Some women with an underactive thyroid may experience elevated
levels
> of prolactin, the hormone that induces the production of breast
milk
> in postpartum women. Excess prolactin can have a negative impact on
> fertility, again by preventing ovulation. Hypothyroidism's effects
on
> metabolism can also bring on a condition known as luteal phase
> defect. The luteal phase is the second half of the monthly cycle,
> lasting from ovulation to menstruation. It is normally 12 to 16
days
> long. But if the luteal phase chronically runs shorter than ten
days,
> then the uterine lining can't build up sufficiently for the embryo
to
> implant, and it will be flushed from the body with the next
menstrual
> period.
>
> http://www.conceiveonline.com/index...=143&Itemid=126
>

#88496 From: Pooja Tiwari <poojat2005@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
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Congratulations JoAnn for your pregnancy and I really can feel your 7 years of infertility. I too feel so frustrated when all I can do is nothing about it.

I feel good that I joined this group and found that there can be more to this "unexplained" thing.

I had first failed IVF in June 08 wihch was BFN and which made me think about it all. Luckily, this time I got an RE who ordered Anti Thyroid, Anti Ovarian and Anti Micsosomian (spelling?) tests for me. Anti Ovarian came out normal. We are still waiting for Anti Microsomian Antibody. My RE told me to wait for the results and then only we can start with the treatment as they are all realted.

Your mail gives me so much hope! You became successful naturaly, thats so much encouraging!!

I have one more question - As I was going through archives and file section, I found some information saying If you have Anti Thyroid problem, its sure that there are more underlying problems within like killer cells? Did you do all other tests as well? or just went with Thyroid treatment?
My RE is in India and doesnot believe in any of these tests (other than ATA, AOA, and Anti microsmian) and If I want to have other tests like killer cell etc. done, I need to get them done on my own. But if I do them, I have to get IVF done here in US which we cannot afford. So how do I go about it? Have faith in my Indian doctor and go with her treatment as she has already found thyroid issues and not bother about Dr. Beer's suggested tests? or get full panel done, wait for the results and then think about IVF etc? I know I sound really confused but that is where I am.

thanks much for your reply, and a very positive one!
Pooja


From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...>
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:40:34 AM
Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase

Dear Pooja:
 
I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it. I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
 
Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away and eventually my TSH up into range.
 
My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold, during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant (naturally).
 
To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not expect to get pregnant this cycle).
 
Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard at all to bring you into range.
 
Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with my ability to get or stay pregnant.
 
But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between Hashimoto's/ Hyper/Hypo
thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early miscarriage.
 
Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should tackle this issue ASAP.
 
As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone else, it was the truth.
 
Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going forward.
 
As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my thyroid levels fell into line.

I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune.. ..and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation anyways.
 
I hope this helps!
 
JoAnn

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@yahoo. com>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM

Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .

thanks a lot!
Pooja



#88495 From: Joe Fuge <jodijoey@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: Thyroid Peroxidase
jodijoey
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Dear Pooja:
 
I am not a doctor but I too suffered from elevated Thyroid Peroxidase. I probably had this for over 7 years and did not know it. I did not have even one positive pregnancy test during this time.
 
Then, I got treated for my overactive thyroid. I went on 200 ml of PTU for about 3 months. It brought my T3 and T4 into range right away and eventually my TSH up into range.
 
My Thyroid Peroxidase also dropped. It is still quite high and out of range (much higher than yours for example) but lo and behold, during the first month my thyroid levels got into range I got pregnant (naturally).
 
To treat the elevated Thyroid Peroxidase I had IVIG at the time of a positive pregnancy test. I would have had it on day 6 (but didn't not expect to get pregnant this cycle).
 
Your levels are not really that high, so it is not going to be hard at all to bring you into range.
 
Just so you know, many endocrinologists do not know anything about this. My endos (three of them) all told me it had nothing to do with my ability to get or stay pregnant.
 
But, of course it did. Dr. Beer's book describes the link between Hashimoto's/Hyper/Hypo
thyroidism the immune system, implantatation failure and early miscarriage.
 
Since you plan to get pregnant in January, I would say you should tackle this issue ASAP.
 
As I said, I got nowhere with my infertility until my thyroid issues got worked out. Although, it was not what I wanted to hear from anyone else, it was the truth.
 
Now, that I know how to tame my thyroid down, I feel confident going forward.
 
As I said, I achieved my pregnancy right away, naturally, when my thyroid levels fell into line.

I still have elevated Thyroid Peroxidase (much higher than you), but I think this just tells you that your thyroid problem is autoimmune....and Dr. Beer's protocol works on the underlying autoimmune causation anyways.
 
I hope this helps!
 
JoAnn

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, poojat2005 <poojat2005@...> wrote:
From: poojat2005 <poojat2005@...>
Subject: [immunologysupport] Thyroid Peroxidase
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:05 AM

Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility" .

thanks a lot!
Pooja


#88494 From: "poojat2005" <poojat2005@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Thyroid Peroxidase
poojat2005
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Hello,

My blood test came back positive for Anti Thyroid Antibody. My Thyroid
Peroxidase AB is "out of range" at 77, Normal range is <35. My
Thyroglobulin AB is <20 - "within range".

What does this mean? When I searched internet, I found it can be
Hashimoto's thyroid? Am I correct? And if yes, what is the treatment
for it and how long will it take to get corrected? I am planning IVF
cycle in JAN '09. Can I hope for successful pregnancy and can it be
the cause of my 5 year long infertility, and never a positive
pregnancy test? We are case of "unexplained infertility".

thanks a lot!
Pooja

#88491 From: "emailme_marilyn" <emailme_marilyn@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:01 am
Subject: PG with Twins and IUGR = caused by Immune problem ?! (PG mentioned)
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hi. i have immune problem to start with and I had 6 paternal LITs
during the 1st trimester. I never had IVIG this pregnancy because I
miscarry 2x before 2 days after IVIG.

Now im on my 23rd week, one twin is measuring a week behind and the
other 2-3weeks behind.
i wonder if IUGR and discordant twin is a manifestation of immune
problems with twins pregnancy? my OB said my "smaller" twin still
have absent diastolic flow (?) because of the umbilical bloodflow is
not smooth. she can't really say if its cause of immune problem.

Both sides of my uterine bloodflow and bigger twin's bloodflow is
good.

if its just IUGR and bloodflow problem, im already on many vitamins
and medicines (increased heparin dosage, Nitro patch, Trental,
Persantin, 160mg aspirin for bloodflow and heraclene vitamins and
amino acids to increase baby's weight) and its not really helping.
she will give me 2 more weeks or she might "force" me to get IVIG
which Im really scared of because of past experience.
my R.I. said LIT at this late is not that effective anymore.

any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

marilyn

#88490 From: njide nj <njidez4@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: immunoglobulin panel
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Mandy
I have had the tests done at my gp, it is called immunoglobin panel or assay.
You may have to take the form in to your local hospital
With gp the results take a week to come back, even if you don't have the result before seeing george you can fax it, you would not need your ivig until about 10-15 days before ET.
Have you got your NK results what were they, If yo don't have it get a copy of any blood test you have done from george in your nrxt appoint, it is good to keep and make referrence to it

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From: manders41 <manders41@...>
Subject: [immunologysupport] immunoglobulin panel
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 29 November, 2008, 7:17 PM

Just wondered if anyone could help with a question. I received a
letter from CARE today which was copied to my GP. It asks for me to
have these tests, namely IgG, IgA and IgM. My research shows they
relate to infection and antibodies. I knew that these had to be tested
prior to using IVIg as if IgA is active then IVIg can't be used. I
wonder whether with results already into CARE from Chicago this leads
them to know I need to get this checked as the results are showing I
need IVIg? Or maybe it is a routine test anyway? I know this may just
be wishful thinking on my part ;)

I'm hoping my GP will be able to organise this test for me (anyone had
this done by their GP?)and quickly as I'd like to have the result for
our review at CARE 15 Dec.

Any thoughts for me?

Cheers

X+x



#88489 From: "njidez4" <njidez4@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:53 pm
Subject: Stories of Natural pregnancy after IVF BFP
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Hi girls
I saw this post on another site on a lot of girls stories of natural
pregnacy ,after first positive with IVF treatment.
It makes intresting reading, see link below!!



http://www.fertilityfriends.co.uk/forum/index.php?
topic=139514.0;topicseen

#88488 From: "njidez4" <njidez4@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:49 pm
Subject: Thyriod and Lining problems
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Thyriod and Lining problems

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Hi girls
I saw this info, on how underactive thyriod can affect the luteal
phase and the lining, see link below

Some women with an underactive thyroid may experience elevated levels
of prolactin, the hormone that induces the production of breast milk
in postpartum women. Excess prolactin can have a negative impact on
fertility, again by preventing ovulation. Hypothyroidism's effects on
metabolism can also bring on a condition known as luteal phase
defect. The luteal phase is the second half of the monthly cycle,
lasting from ovulation to menstruation. It is normally 12 to 16 days
long. But if the luteal phase chronically runs shorter than ten days,
then the uterine lining can't build up sufficiently for the embryo to
implant, and it will be flushed from the body with the next menstrual
period.

http://www.conceiveonline.com/index...=143&Itemid=126

#88487 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: immunoglobulin panel
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Just wondered if anyone could help with a question. I received a
letter from CARE today which was copied to my GP. It asks for me to
have these tests, namely IgG, IgA and IgM. My research shows they
relate to infection and antibodies. I knew that these had to be tested
prior to using IVIg as if IgA is active then IVIg can't be used. I
wonder whether with results already into CARE from Chicago this leads
them to know I need to get this checked as the results are showing I
need IVIg? Or maybe it is a routine test anyway? I know this may just
be wishful thinking on my part ;)

I'm hoping my GP will be able to organise this test for me (anyone had
this done by their GP?)and quickly as I'd like to have the result for
our review at CARE 15 Dec.

Any thoughts for me?

Cheers

X+x

#88486 From: "Jane Reed" <edreed@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:49 pm
Subject: Thanks Njide
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Thanks Njide. I appreciate the spam alert.

(and for every one else who helps me regarding this!)

Jane

#88485 From: "Jane Reed" <edreed@...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:00 pm
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Thanks for the spam alert, Kelly. Thanks for all your help with the
boards.

It has been dealt with!

Jane

#88483 From: Jenny Fancellu <jfancellu@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: Some news - Mandy / Clair / Sam - (preg ment)
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Gloria,

Great news. congratulation.

Jenny


From: Gloria Anne Thompson Ortiz <gloriatortiz@...>
To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [immunologysupport] Some news - Mandy / Clair / Sam - (preg ment)

Hi Ladies,

I've been very quiet for sometime, nothing to report, really, but I do
have some news now, I have had had a positive pregnancy test!! I'm
quite excited because unlike previous times, the test result wasn't
very faint, it was a bit fainter than the control line but still very
visible. So, I guess HCG levels are not too low.... will test again in
a couple of days and see how it goes.

And now, well see if Mr Armstrong's LIT therapy works, if this is
sucessful, the credit will not be just for him, but also for Fertile
Soul, that have prescribed me a cocktail of supplements and Chinese
herbs as well as acupuncture.

I'll keep you posted...

XX Gloria



#88482 From: Jenny Fancellu <jfancellu@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:18 pm
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Sam,

I have not been to Italy yet. DH's mum divorced his Italian father many years ago and DH rarely contacts with his family and relatives in Italy. I am not meeting Sioban Quenby. Trevor Wing will do the biopsy in his office, the biopsy sample will be sent to AB centre or RFU for test. DH always says I have a very low pain threshold, good to know the pain only lasts for a short time.

Jenny


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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:35:31 PM
Subject: [immunologysupport] Re: Jenny

Hi Jenny
I thought you were in US - No idea why!! That's cool about marrying
a half Italian - my husband did the same thing! My maiden name is
Difelice, but no idea if we have any distant relations in Sardina! My
family are from near Rome. We visited Sardinia for the first time
this year - loved it. A very rugged place with stunning beaches.
Don't worry about the biopsy next week - yes, it is painful, but it
is for such a short time and you will get a really clear result from
it that can help you know what is going on with your fertility. Just
wait til you meet Sioban Quenby - she is fabulous and she has such a
heart for women in our situation.
Keep us informed and thank you for your good wishes.
Sam x

 


#88481 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:20 pm
Subject: Fw: Re: Re: to Becki
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Booked the flights today :) Just the car rental to sort out now. I'm
kindof low on rattling just now ;) I just take the tab George
advised and I take an extra folic acid one. I thought there was no
harm in taking the FA again after having the blood taken but now
that MTHFR has been ruled out I could stop I guess.

I remember the herbs, they were in powder form and sometimes it took
focus to swallow! I have a friend in the States who used Fertile
Soul, Gloria mentioned them in her post. I have been thinking of
using them for a while now but since I was going to CARE I decided
to hold on it for the time being. See where we are after results and
then I'll decide if I need any more alternative help. Fertile Soul
was formed by Randine Lewis Becki, have you heard of her? She wrote
the book The Infertility Cure. Not that I want to add to your
bookshelf ;)

That's great about the counselling. I think in some places
counselling is offered routinely but it's sporadic :( Agree about in
years to come Becki immunology will be better known. Just think
about all the women with Hughes/APS and it was only a little while
ago that the solution of aspirin and heparin was discovered and
tested and is now routine.

Yes the charting can be hilarious! I've got TCOYF and the pictures
in there are outstanding!!

We stay in Dunbar which is a small fishing town down the coast from
Edinburgh. It's prob about 1.5 hrs from Glasgow.

Oh you are a gluten pro, put me to shame ;) I haven't been asked to
give up. It just seems everyone seems better for it and I read a
post where someones NK cells had been reduced by going gluten free.
I don't even know if I have NK cells LOL but I'm presuming!

Just take it easy at work next week Becki!

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Willetts
<beckiwuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mandy
>  
> Are you all confirmed for the 15th??? You'll just be glad to know
whats what!!! You'll soon be rattling with pills!!!
>  
> Def know what you mean about being pro-active!! I'm just the same
as you!! It makes you feel like you are trying to get some control
back over something you don't really have control over!! I'm the
same as you and have tried anything and everything!! In fact just
had my daily does of lovely herbs! not half as bad as the vile
Chinese herbs though!! I've booked us both in for a counselling
session with a lady who specialises in infertility and m/c. she was
really nice and said that's its such a shame it is not done
routinely after a m/c.
>  
> You are right about Lesley Regan. I think that's the funny world
of medicine - evidence based!! The funny thing is that you have so
much treatment that is not but I guess some Dr's are just more
willing to take the bull by the horns. Prob in a few years time the
immunology stuff will be better known. I certainly knew nothing
about it until I read by chance Beers book!! I still find it so sad
that there are so many women who would benefit from it!!
>  
> Its great that your DH is on board!! You read so much about the
women doing everything and the men being very reluctant!! My
neighbour who is a midwife has been doing charting cervical mucus
for fertility with me and DH now realises why I make him go at it
like rabbits for a few days of the month!! hee hee!! He kept leaving
the room when she got graphic about the mucus!! She had pics and
everything!!
>
> Your shop sounds lovely... where is it you actually live? How far
are you from Glasgow?
>  
> I have to say that I've been gluten free for so long now I don't
miss it!! Saying that when I was pregnant I did not fancy anything
so had a toasted bagel with lots of butter!!! It was v nice!! I did
see that post about the toast!!! Now I have my toasted rye bread
with hummus!!It will be easier than you think to give it up! As you
said...one thing at a time! Why do they tell you to give up gluten
and dairy anyway???
>  
> Work same old poo!! Back to full hours next week after a 2-week
phased return. Could quite get used to the old part time!!!
>  
> beckixx
>
> --- On Thu, 27/11/08, manders41 <manders41@...> wrote:
>
> From: manders41 <manders41@...>
> Subject: Fw: Re: [immunologysupport] Re: to Mandy
> To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 27 November, 2008, 1:50 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You are making me blush Becki! I guess when you've been ttc-ing so
> long and are desperate for answers it refines the old researching
> skills ;)
>
> Nic the sec is on a course today so she said just leave a msg on
her
> voicemail but I might just try one of the other Secs this
afternoon
> to confirm the 15th. I'd like to know if we should book our
flights
> asap to take advantage of the cheap cost. Have to admit I am
feeling
> quite excited. It's bizarre isn't it that here are results that
> could be serious and will require more medications than I'd hoped
> I'd take in a lifetime but hey ho!
>
> That's a good idea about a local beauty college. I think the
nearest
> one is maybe 1/2 hr away but other than that it'll be more in
> Edinburgh. Have spent lots on alternatives but when I was getting
no
> help NHS-wise I decided to do something myself and it's nice to be
> proactive in your own right - helps mentally too. You know it was
> funny but I was doing my stretches before I opened yahoo.
Obviously
> knew you'd be checking up on me!
>
> I think the time will come for Lesley Regan to acknowledge
> immunology. She likes to have very robust tests for anything she
is
> going to recommend and also because it's NHS the funding for
trials
> etc is low. But I know just now her colleague at St marys is
> conducting a prog trial. They've extended it to some European
> countries I presume so that they can get a decent sample size. LOL
> at squirts, put all the immune drugs together and eekk there are
> some s/es to deal with! (Thinking os you Sas!) He also I know
seems
> to be more inclined to think about immune aspects as I know he has
> given steroids before. Infact it would not surprise me if there
are
> maybe long term trials going on there just now regarding
immunology.
> I can understand why Regan wants to do it that way but all I can
say
> is thank goodness for the other Drs doing it just now or all us
lot
> wouldn't have much hope!
>
> Good luck with your DH. I know the guys can be more reluctant. My
DH
> has been itching to do something to help so when George told him
to
> take some supplements I think he's happy that he's now
> getting 'involved' ;)
>
> Not sure about lovely little shop! Just your average local bicycle
> shop and DH is not the tidiest so it very much typifies the
> stereotype. But he does have loyal customers who spread the word
> about his service so he's obviously doing something right! It's a
> good wee community we're in too and very family friendly. We're
just
> 40 mins from Edinburgh centre so close enough to visit often too.
> Shop is 10 mins walk from house, so we're very lucky. Confession,
> not got into gluten free at all yet...apart from my 'oat' bag ;) I
> need to get myself organised first and decide how I'm going to do
it
> re testing and so forth. Can't put my mind to that just now with
> everything else. But it's on the list!
>
> How's work for you Becki? and what about your gluten free? I hope
> you didn't see the post from naughty Katie ;) about a piece of
toast
> dripping in butter! That would make anyone buckle LOL
>
> X+x
>
> --- In immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com, Rebecca Willetts
> <beckiwuk@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 27/11/08, Rebecca Willetts <beckiwuk@ .> wrote:
> >
> > From: Rebecca Willetts <beckiwuk@ .>
> > Subject: Re: [immunologysupport] Re: to Becki
> > To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, 27 November, 2008, 11:38 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mandy
> >  
> > Wow!!! I'm soooo impressed with your knowledge about
everything!! !
> >  
> > I'm sooo pleased that you have got an even earlier appt now!!!
Had
> you gone ahead and booked your flights as well?? Thats only really
a
> couple of weeks away now!! I'm sure you'll be pleased if your DH
can
> go along too. I'm getting quite excited for you and can't wait to
> hear all about your results!!
> >  
> > Its maybe worth looking at local beauty colleges for
> massages...they tend to do them very cheaply!!! I love you calling
> it an oat bag!! They are very helpful though for neck pain! Hope
you
> are doing your stretches!!
> >  
> > Sounds like you are certainly spending a small fortune on
> treatments!I' m confident that it will be all worthwhile though
and
> your body will be ready for the next pg. Its all about
preparation!
> From what you said in previous posts it sounds like George is
> treating your thyroid as a prob so I'm sure he'll give you meds.
> >  
> > I read a lot of stuff about Lesley Regan and that she does not
> agree at all with immunology stuff!! I think that the outcomes of
> using prog are prob anecdotal rather than evidence based but I
don't
> see it doing any harm. It prob does not prevent m/c used in
> isolation but sure that it will help as part of the bigger picture
> (I hope!!).  I'm sure George will give it to you if he feels
necc.
> One of my friends had a massive dose of it with her IVF and she
said
> it gave her the squirts!! Lovely can't wait for that!! LOL!!
> >  
> > Thanks for the advcie about the EFT. I think its just persuading
> DH to try these things. It sounds like you have a lovely little
> shop!! Is it near your house?
> >  
> > HOws the old gluten free going??!!
> >  
> > Beckixx
> >
> > --- On Wed, 26/11/08, manders41 <manders41@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > From: manders41 <manders41@ ..>
> > Subject: [immunologysupport] Re: to Becki
> > To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008, 9:37 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's exactly what I was thinking today when I didn't see my
post
> I
> > sent you, you were bound to be thinking why didn't I send you
> one!!
> > I'll know the next time it crashes that I need to do it again!
> >
> > Well I called CARE today to say yes to the 22nd and I explained
I
> > would be on my own. Tbh I feel absolutely fine about this. BUT
> then
> > Nic offered me the week before!! So just trying to get things
> > organised to see if it's possible for DH to be there too. I was
so
> > shocked it turned around like this, in fact my voice went all
> > squeaky when I told my friend LOL
> >
> > I'm trying to figure out which alternative treatments to do just
> now
> > as we can't afford everything. Having EFT next week, as I think
I
> > need to work on the emotional side of things, then reflexology
the
> > week after. If I can't get thyroid meds from George altho I'm
> > keeping my fingers tightly crossed on this one, then I would
have
> to
> > use acu and herbs again as I know they can get my thyroid in
> balance
> > enough for me to fall pg at least. Maybe also just do local
quick
> > massages if need be too to save money. Yes I do use a wheat bag.
I
> > mentioned it to the physio and she seemed impressed! Altho I
> called
> > it an oat bag for some reason...avoiding the gluten maybe LOL
> >
> > I think your tests are more than a good start Becki :) In Lesley
> > Regan's book she doesn't agree with prog, certainly just given
> > empirically anyway. She views it as all it will do is keep a
> failing
> > pg going a bit longer and then you end up with a later m/c. Most
> NHS
> > Drs follow her lead so I think that is why that view is held. I
> > asked George about prog and he said let's look at our results
and
> > then decide.
> >
> > Your poor DH. As you say Becki it must be hard being on your own
> > every day. When we started our shop my DH felt quite lonely too
> but
> > now we are more established he has regulars who sometimes just
pop
> > in with lunch for him or for a quick chat. I remember seeing a
> > leaflet on the miscarriage assoc site specifically for men,
would
> > that be any help? Certainly I think counselling would be
> beneficial.
> > I also think EFT can help a great deal. I have a friend in the
US
> > who has had 2 challenging pgs and she felt she couldn't have
> gotten
> > thru them as well if she hadn't used EFT. EFT and a doppler
sound
> > like the 2 'must haves' for our pgs.
> >
> > That would be good for you both to get away boarding, hope you
can
> > persuade him.
> >
> > X+x
> > --- In immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com, Rebecca Willetts
> > <beckiwuk@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mandy
> > >  
> > > I was just really worried you would see all the other posts
from
> > me and wonder why I didn't send you one!! Sounds like you are
all
> > organised for your next visit to CARE! At least that extra
couple
> of
> > weeks will be helpful to get started. Just make sure you steer
> clear
> > of the M6 near rush hour!!! I'm going back down to get our
results
> > on my own too just to help a bit with cost.
> > >  
> > > It would be great to have a yoga buddy as I think I need one
> too!!
> > Its such a shame you have not been able to find somewhere as it
> > would really help with the stress and your neck too!!
Acupuncture
> > can be quite good for stress related neck pain. Is she going to
do
> > any treatment for you?  All those hours on the computer
also
> prob
> > don't help either!!! Remember that good posture!!! I think that
> the
> > focus is the stress relief which I know will be very difficult
for
> > you at the moment!! Have you tried a wee wheat bag that you put
in
> > the microwave? Also a good excuse to treat yourself to some
> relaxing
> > treatments like a facial or massage. Its like when people
say 'try
> > not to get stressed and you'll get pregnant'!! Obviously these
are
> > people who either don't have kids or conceived no probs!!!
> > >  
> > > Shehata has done the NKs, ANA, Thyroid, thromophillia and a
few
> > others. We get the Thromophillia done on nhs too (but we get
> results
> > quicker through Shehata) along with the chromosomes, lupus and a
> few
> > others I can't think of names of. Its a start and we can just
take
> > it from there. I'm really glad got prog as thought this was a
prob
> > all along. I think he only put me on it as my lining was so
thin,
> > and my herbs are meant to be helping with that too. As I said I
> feel
> > better just having that. I don't understand why Drs don't give
> prog
> > to people but I did read that a lot of Drs don't. I think the
sad
> > thing is thats it all seems a bit hit and miss dependent on who
> you
> > have seen. I think its also sad that diff people get such diff
> > things from the NHS. Did George mention anything about prog?
> > >  
> > > Have you thought any more about the food intolerance testing?
> I'm
> > just on the 3rd day of a 4 day detox as suggested in Zita West's
> > book so giving my system a good cleanse. I'm normally quite
> healthy
> > anyway but after the m/c I should ate crap as couldn't be
bothered
> > to make anything.
> > >  
> > > Sounds like you are going to have a very busy few weeks!! As
you
> > said better to be busy when you have your own business. My hubby
> has
> > his own business and feeling the stress. Don't think the m/c
> helped
> > as hes finding it v diff to get back into work. I'm trying to
get
> > him to have some counselling as hes not coping very well. Its
hard
> > because he works at home by himself so at least I can see people
> at
> > work. I think its hard been the man as all the focus always
seems
> to
> > be on the woman.
> > >  
> > > At least we'll both have some results before Xmas! As we can't
> try
> > until after then I'm trying to persuade hubby to take a snow
> > boarding holiday at new year while we can!!
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Beckixx
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 26/11/08, manders41 <manders41@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: manders41 <manders41@ ..>
> > > Subject: [immunologysupport] Re: to Becki
> > > To: immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008, 10:14 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Becki, I sent you a msg last night and it's not appeared this
> > > morning :( So sorry it didn't get to you. Yahoo crashed after
I
> > sent
> > > it late last night but I thought it had posted it anyway.
> > >
> > > Now to think what i was rambling about LOL, i'll reply to your
> > most
> > > recent mail first! Good that you got back to yoga, I'm sure it
> > will
> > > be really beneficial. It is a pity you weren't nearer I would
> love
> > > to be a yoga buddy :) DH and I have a bicycle business, so
this
> > time
> > > of year is busy! Well tbh we'd prefer it to be busier but we
> need
> > to
> > > be around to take any business we can get in this climate! I
> think
> > I
> > > got pushed into George's diary, it sounded like that rather
than
> a
> > > cancellation coming up. Prob reason I'm at the tail end of the
> > day!
> > > I checked flights and I can get a 9.20 from Edin to Bir then
> I'll
> > > hire a car. Try and find an out of town shopping centre to
while
> > > away the time before appt ;) then I'll be back in Edin at
> 9.45pm.
> > It
> > > won't be that much more expensive than driving I don't think.
> > >
> > > Really pleased your appt went so well :) How was London? Great
> > that
> > > you have prog. I pleaded with local Drs to let me try it but
no-
> > one
> > > would :( I have light periods too but so far scans and prog
> tests
> > > seem ok but I don't think it would hurt for me to take it. So
> > which
> > > tests is Shehata doing for you? NK cells incl? Have you had
> blood
> > > taken thru NHS in Glasgow too? Will you get those results in
Dec
> > too?
> > >
> > > Physio appt was good, I like the way that there's a good time
> > > allocated and it is thorough :) Yes I've exercises and having
a
> > > physio to bug me to do them is good ;) As you said Becki she
> feels
> > > it is the stress that is causing a lot of the probs so will
give
> > > this a go and should see improvements.
> > >
> > > I feel so happy for you that you are on the road now to
finding
> > out
> > > answers. It brings peace of mind :)
> > >
> > > X+x
> > >
> > > --- In immunologysupport@ yahoogroups. com, "beckiwuk"
> > <beckiwuk@ .>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mandy
> > > >
> > > > How did your physio go today??? Hope they got you sorted?
I'll
> > > keep
> > > > checking that you are doing all your exercises like a good
> > > patient!!
> > > > Just read on another post that you are phoning tomorrow to
see
> > if
> > > you
> > > > results are through? You must be getting quite excited to be
> > near
> > > > some answers!
> > > >
> > > > I think we got on quite well on Sat with Shehata. He
actually
> > took
> > > > note of my very very light periods and queried if I might
have
> > > PCOS,
> > > > so he did a scan to check them. I had actually had a scan in
> the
> > > > summer to check my tubes and the cons never mentioned
anything
> > > then.
> > > > However, my womb lining was only 2mm!! He said that can
happen
> > > after
> > > > a D&C but given my history of very light periods, likely
that
> > this
> > > is
> > > > always a prob for me! So yippee hes given me progesterone to
> get
> > > > started on. I've always thought I had a prob with prog from
a
> > few
> > > > diff things so I feel this is a good start. This fits in
with
> > what
> > > > the herbalist is trying to do also as she gave me herbs to
try
> > and
> > > > build up the lining from my history of light periods, and my
> > > friend
> > > > who is a midwife said that spotting before a period (which I
> > have)
> > > > can also mean low prog levels. So I guess at least it all
fits
> > in!!
> > > >
> > > > I had loads of bloods taken which I guess are just the stage
I
> > > tests
> > > > to start but we won't get these ones via the nhs as only 2
> m/cs.
> > I
> > > > feel its a start and if any of those come back +ve then I'll
> > maybe
> > > > look at the more extensive testing via CARE maybe. I'm
hoping
> > that
> > > > the prog is a good start! I go back on 20 Dec to get the
> results
> > > so
> > > > fingers crossed!!
> > > >
> > > > Anyway thats me....hows you?
> > > >
> > > > Beckixx
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#88480 From: "manders41" <manders41@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: another success story to cheer us on :) ( not me!)
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That is so funny Becki LOL

I do have a fertility talisman tho! There is a couple who lend it
out to friends and it's never failed. My friend had it and she now
has 2 LOs and then she gave it to me. Funnily enough I think it is
working its magic thru me?! I've had it for just over a year now and
a dozen people who I've been communicating with online have become
pg, in fact 2 now have baby girls and these are all women who have
challenging pg circumstances.

I know you all thought I was cooky and that has confirmed it!

X+x

--- In immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Willetts
<beckiwuk@...> wrote:
>
> Mandy
>  
> Thanks for the words of inspiration!! I have decided that we
should rename you lovely 'fertility fairy godmother'!!! A name quite
fitting me thinks!!
>  
> Beckixx
>
> --- On Fri, 28/11/08, manders41 <manders41@...> wrote:
>
> From: manders41 <manders41@...>
> Subject: [immunologysupport] another success story to cheer us
on :) ( not me!)
> To: immunologysupport@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 28 November, 2008, 10:08 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I normally check the CARE fertility msg boards for info, I just
> browse, am not a member. There is a thread on the immunology board
> called 'Loonie Immunies' - how apt is that?!
>
> Anyway there is a lovely birth announcement there this morning and
so
> thought I'd just paste a couple of phrases from it to cheer us all
on.
>
> "I am still completely over whelmed with the whole labour and
birth
> experience, just wonderful. I just can not believe that we have a
son,
> he is so beautiful and perfect and we are so so blessed".
> "Thank you so so so much George Nduke, without you none of this
would
> have been possible".
>
> X+x
>

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