Kava kava is good too.
Anna


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Beal" <dana@...>
To: <pantheon@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:36 PM
Subject: [IBOGAINE] NDE & waking REM events


> At 6:42 PM -0400 9/26/00, White Light wrote:
> >Some people are, i donnt want to say in a bad way but *out there*
> >dana beal has PKD, patrick kroupa is tlaking about i dont know what
> >but he sees lights all the time and the purple light fixes
> >everything, nick sandberg is writing articles about the same thing.
> >
> >the difference between all of u and NA is in na they keep telling
> >you to do all this to get intouch with your 'higher power' you guys
> >are *on* all the time.
>
> Maybe we're just in touch with our higher power.
>
> At 10:50 PM -0400 9/27/00, booker w wrote:
> >Hi. You're right in that for each addict it "takes whatever it
> >takes," and that seems to be a very individual road. I took
> >ibogaine 3 times - still relapsed. No doubt the ibogaine made my
> >relapse so uncomfortable that I knew I couldn't continue to get
> >high, but also didn't know how to stay quit. I know you don't like
> >it, but for me the 12 step road is definitely proving to be the way
> >for me to stay quit continuously. I resisted the 12 step route for
> >twenty-five years! Why...I don't have a clue as I am not stupid and
> >knew that they had the highest success rate. I was just too
> >stubborn and rebellious and hadn't been knocked down enough I guess.
> >
> >Addictions are such a puzzle and again it seems to take whatever it
> >takes. It seems like if you just keep throwing stuff at it,
> >whatever you do, finally something softens and maybe it can end. I
> >only have three months clean again, but I do feel like I may've
> >found the lasting way to stay clean - the "tools" as they say. Even
> >tho I still desire to get high often, when I was getting high this
> >last time there was absolutely no real enjoyment of it and no peace
> >whatsoever. At least I have that peace now. In my opinion trying
> >more ibogaine could help, but I agree with Jane, just keep trying
> >anything. I had hoped that ibogaine was that "magic pill" too, but
> >even tho it made a lasting difference, it definitely wasn't the
> >whole answer.
> >
> >Best of wishes and don't give up.
> >Sandy
>
> My higher power is as good as your higher power. In fact they are, I
> suspect, one & the same.
>
> At 7:13 PM -0400 9/29/00, White Light wrote:
> >Patrick i've read some of what you wrote and no way am I doing that.
> >If you think ibogaine is weak as a 'headchange tool and spiritual
> >integrater' and follow it up with 2 or 3 mg of lsd because that will
> >'blow apart ego boundaries' you are you and you are not me. ibogaine
> >was not 'weak' to me, it was hell. I would rather spend 10 years in
> >NA meetings then eat 20 or 30 doses of lsd. I hate acid its even
> >more awful then ibogaine. I know u didnt recommend that to me but
> >even doing 2 or 3 doses is awful and I dont want to do acid or
> >ketamine or anything that makes me 'trip' i dont like it.
> >
> >Nick yes the us and them people are everywhere. I'm not a us and
> >them person I think whatever floats your boat is fine. I am not sure
> >if its because i'm repressed or in denial or whatever people have
> >said to me through mail but you, patrick, are both saying that there
> >has to be something wrong with me if I like to get high. Maybe im
> >not you guys and i dont like pschedelic drugs, I like heroin. I want
> >to stay off it and will try what I can if i have to do ibogaine
> >again i will do it after that I dont know what yet but it wont be
> >lsd. all ibogaine had reminded me of is how much i hate pschedelics
> >and dont want to ever do them.
>
> Tried melatonin? Dreaming at nite definitely takes the edge off.
> Gives you a feeling of more SPACE in your head to fall back into, so
> life doesn't seem so jammed up. A pretty benign way to get some of
> the same NMDA action as Ibo--and naturally, while you're asleep.
>
> Dana/cnw
>
>
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