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#30 From: "ray" <ray@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xxx
Date: Fri Sep 3, 1999 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [0-Hypnosis] Welcome to 0-Hypnosis@onelist.com
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Rask, I don't mean to be unkind, but might it not be a good idea for you to
perhaps go into a second hand bookstore or look at one or two of the
hundreds of thousands of hypnosis sites on the web?

That way I'm sure you would gain a lot more from whatever information you
will have from this list, and will be able to ask questions that can be
answered by the people here with ease and in an e-mail format.

best,

Silvia

#29 From: "ray" <ray@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xxx
Date: Fri Sep 3, 1999 8:34 pm
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Rask, I don't mean to be unkind, but might it not be a good idea for you to
perhaps go into a second hand bookstore or look at one or two of the
hundreds of thousands of hypnosis sites on the web?

That way I'm sure you would gain a lot more from whatever information you
will have from this list, and will be able to ask questions that can be
answered by the people here with ease and in an e-mail format.

best,

Silvia

#28 From: "ray" <ray@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xxx
Date: Fri Sep 3, 1999 8:34 pm
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Rask, I don't mean to be unkind, but might it not be a good idea for you to
perhaps go into a second hand bookstore or look at one or two of the
hundreds of thousands of hypnosis sites on the web?

That way I'm sure you would gain a lot more from whatever information you
will have from this list, and will be able to ask questions that can be
answered by the people here with ease and in an e-mail format.

best,

Silvia

#27 From: Rask <chuc@xxx.xxxx
Date: Fri Sep 3, 1999 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [0-Hypnosis] Welcome to 0-Hypnosis@onelist.com
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At 11:12 PM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Judy Porter" <naturalbalance@...>
>
I'd
>like to know if anyone else in the group works with D.I.D. (M.P.D.) clients.
>I have two, and have found my parts training is perfect in working with
>multiples.

I am not a therapist, but I spend a lot of time with two people who have
been diagnosed MPD.  I'd be interested in swapping insights with you...
Incidentally, I don't know anything about hypnosis and wondered if it was
something you could do unintentionally.  What *is* hypnosis?

Rask

#26 From: "Judy Porter" <naturalbalance@xxxx.xxxx
Date: Fri Sep 3, 1999 6:12 am
Subject: Re: [0-Hypnosis] Welcome to 0-Hypnosis@onelist.com
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Hello, I was surfing and ran into the group!  I do alternative healing and
have my own business here in Seattle.  Am a clinical hypnotherapist (lay),
with 6 yrs. experience - I do inner child work, past life regression,
addictions therapy, grief work, hypnotherapeutic bodywork, and parts therapy
(conference room), among other things.  Also am a licensed massage therapist
and energy worker.  I like to combine and integrate the modalities, since
all of us are healed thru all our layers (mind, body, emotions, spirit, and
probably others I've never heard of!).  Glad to have found the group!  I'd
like to know if anyone else in the group works with D.I.D. (M.P.D.) clients.
I have two, and have found my parts training is perfect in working with
multiples.
Hope to hear more about everyone else soon.

Judy

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> Hello,
>
>     Welcome to the Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy list.  Please feel free to
introduce yourself, and you interests, to the other list members.
>    Contributions are welcome on all issues relating to the use of hypnosis
or similar topics, such as psychoanalysis, meditation, guided visualisation,
depth relaxation, psychotherapy, self-hypnosis, stress management etc.
>
> *** Important ***
> Please vote for your interests at the survey website:
> http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/0-Hypnosis.
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> Thanks,
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> Donald Robertson
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#25 From: DJRNews@...
Date: Thu Sep 2, 1999 5:22 pm
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Argghhhh, how annoying!   The people at onelist seem to have changed all of
the survey web pages.  The new web page for this list's members survey is:

http://www.onelist.com/surveys/0-Hypnosis
<A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/surveys/0-Hypnosis">Click here</A>

(I think)  Sorry for any confusion.

Don.

#24 From: "J. Donahue" <donahuej@xx.xxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 11:32 pm
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To ray and Others,
I had clinical training as a 'late' grad student. We had comprehensive studies
of Freud and his theories and a follow-up during an internship at a hospital .
It is an interesting model( transference et al )  and helped me more as a
teacher of  emotionally handicapped ( excuse the label ) high school students.
Their anger was easier for me to 'handle'. The model, however, is as much based
on a mythology as a religion and I am a devout catholic, so one religion was all
I could use. at a time.
   I think the users of Freud's tools and models of perception would have more
success in acceptance if they would explain to the public as much as possible
the model in layman like terms. I moved into cognitive therapy ( when I became a
high school counselor)  and hypnosis ,as a result of my coaching at the
collegiate level where individual counseling became a necessity and relaxation
training led to imagery, imagery to self hypnosis and on to formal hypnosis
training with NLP. My clinical training has been very helpful and I would advise
anyone to intern or read about these models, whether you use them or not.
Enough , I have picked the therapeutic model which fits me or was the model
modifying me? Maybe a little of both you think?
Joe

Joseph J. Donahue M.Ed. CCMHC,
CH  and Master Certified Practitioner NLP.
Sports and Personal Performance Coaching

#23 From: "ray" <ray@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xx.xxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hi Don and all,

I'm Silvia, just joined the list.

I'm a NLP-Hypnotherapist and as such have very little experience of notions
such as transference; it is not something that really ever came up in any of
my trainings. So I'm finding the discussion of such more classical issues
very fascinating and enlightening.

look forward to joining and sharing

best,

Silvia

Silvia Hartmann-Kent CHABH MSNLP MAMT
United Kingdom





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Project Sanctuary
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#22 From: Jacob Ghitis <ghitis@xxxx.xxx.xxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: Please Read
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> From: DJRNews@...
Dear all,
Well this list hasn't been going long but it's growing very quickly and
already we have about 30 members. Don
***********
Don,
I'm glad to hear good news this time.
Jacob

#21 From: DJRNews@xxx.xxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 3:59 pm
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Dear all,

     Well this list hasn't been going long but it's growing very quickly and
already we have about 30 members.  Beneath are the results of the member
survey.  You can still vote by visiting the survey website at:

http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/0-Hypnosis
<A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/0-Hypnosis">Click here</A>

Subject                                                        Votes
Percentage
Hypnotherapy                                                 7  10.14 %
Self-hypnosis                                                  6  8.70 %
Ericksonian hypnosis                                       5  7.25 %
Depth relaxation/stress management                4  5.80 %
Integrative counselling/therapy                          4  5.80 %
Altered states of consciousness (inc. drugs).     4  5.80 %
Philosophy of mind/psychiatry etc.                   3  4.35 %
Psychology                                                    3  4.35 %
Personal development/growth                           3  4.35 %
Regression work                                             3  4.35 %
Meditation                                                      3  4.35 %

Psychoanalysis                                              3  4.35 %
Psychodynamic psychotherapy (non-Freudian)  2  2.90 %
Humanistic counselling/therapy                        2  2.90 %
Transpersonal counselling/therapy                    2  2.90 %
Behavioural therapy                                         2  2.90 %
Group hypnosis/therapy                                   2  2.90 %
Spirituality/mysticism/occult                            2  2.90 %
Yoga                                                              2  2.90 %

Visualisation techniques                                  2  2.90 %
Neuro-Linguistic Programming                          2  2.90 %
Psychiatry                                                     1  1.45 %
Cognitive counselling/therapy                           1  1.45 %
Autogenics                                                     1  1.45 %

69 votes

Donald Robertson
(Moderator)

#20 From: "Marcampbell" <gmcpath1@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: auto suggestive response?
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Don wrote.....

>    In the terminology of psychoanalysis 'projection' and 'displacement'
are
>primitive mechanisms (arguably projection is reducible to a form of
>displacement, but that's debatable).  Projection occurs when I attribute
any
>aspect of my own psyche (or my own desires) to someone else, so paranoia is
>sometimes interpreted as the projection of the paranoiac's own repressed
>aggression onto other people.  Displacement occurs when I attribute any
>aspect of one person (or thing) to another person (or thing), or when I
>transpose my desire for one thing onto a substitute.  So kicking the cat
when
>you get sacked instead of kicking your boss is displacement, so is
>accidentally calling your schoolteacher "Mum", etc.  Fetishism is sometimes
>interpreted as involving displacement, so that I'm attracted to a woman's
>shoes instead of her, er... body (not me personally you understand, it's
just
>an example!).
>    Transference is a different kind of concept altogether, it really
refers
>to a particular complex of things like displacment and projection rather
than
>to a primitive mechanism.  Technically, transference is a form of neurosis
>(transference-neurosis) which occurs in certain types of relationship.  I
>think of it as a kind of bacterial culture in which everyday neuroses
develop
>in a concentrated form in a contained setting.  In this respect
>psychoanalysis seems to be "here and now" insofar as it catches neurosis as
>it happens, as it is "acted out" in the clinical setting, rather than
>depending on the client's recollections of problems occurring outside the
>session.


Don,
Thank you for your reply.  Yes it does help me to figure out what happened
to me.

I don't know if I should post to the list or just to you.  I would like to
share what happened with me when a new priest came to our parish.  He
started this staring and speaking in his homilies in a hypnotic tone.....

Would you mind if I posted to you off list?
Many thanks,
marlene

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Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 1:12 pm
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In a message dated 30/8/99 3:01am GMT Daylight Time, artie@... writes:

<< What is the difference between transferrence and projection (other than
paying the analyst for the privilege, and for a fifty minute hour)? >>


Dear Artie,

     Well I'm not an analyst, but I think you pay about the same price for
projection and transference, although you might be able to get a deal if you
haggle.  :)
     In the terminology of psychoanalysis 'projection' and 'displacement' are
primitive mechanisms (arguably projection is reducible to a form of
displacement, but that's debatable).  Projection occurs when I attribute any
aspect of my own psyche (or my own desires) to someone else, so paranoia is
sometimes interpreted as the projection of the paranoiac's own repressed
aggression onto other people.  Displacement occurs when I attribute any
aspect of one person (or thing) to another person (or thing), or when I
transpose my desire for one thing onto a substitute.  So kicking the cat when
you get sacked instead of kicking your boss is displacement, so is
accidentally calling your schoolteacher "Mum", etc.  Fetishism is sometimes
interpreted as involving displacement, so that I'm attracted to a woman's
shoes instead of her, er... body (not me personally you understand, it's just
an example!).
     Transference is a different kind of concept altogether, it really refers
to a particular complex of things like displacment and projection rather than
to a primitive mechanism.  Technically, transference is a form of neurosis
(transference-neurosis) which occurs in certain types of relationship.  I
think of it as a kind of bacterial culture in which everyday neuroses develop
in a concentrated form in a contained setting.  In this respect
psychoanalysis seems to be "here and now" insofar as it catches neurosis as
it happens, as it is "acted out" in the clinical setting, rather than
depending on the client's recollections of problems occurring outside the
session.

All the best,

Don.

#18 From: artie <artie@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Aug 30, 1999 2:02 am
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>From: DJRNews@...
>
>In a message dated 29/8/99 11:28pm GMT Daylight Time, gmcpath1@...
>writes:
>
><< What is transference?  How is it achieved?  How is auto-suggestion done?
>Is  it a form of ESP? >>
>
>Dear Marlene,
>
>    Transference is a very complex clinical concept that's difficult to
>define but I'll give it a go.  Well, of course, it derives from Freudian
>psychoanalysis.  Very roughly, transference is the "displacement" of
>unconscious thoughts, feelings and desires onto the analyst.

Don-

What is the difference between transferrence and projection (other than
paying the analyst for the privilege, and for a fifty minute hour)?

namaste-

artie

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Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 9:51 pm
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In a message dated 29/8/99 11:28pm GMT Daylight Time, gmcpath1@...
writes:

<< What is transference?  How is it achieved?  How is auto-suggestion done?
Is  it a form of ESP? >>

Dear Marlene,

     Transference is a very complex clinical concept that's difficult to
define but I'll give it a go.  Well, of course, it derives from Freudian
psychoanalysis.  Very roughly, transference is the "displacement" of
unconscious thoughts, feelings and desires onto the analyst.  What is
transferred is often the repressed infantile relation to the father, the
father-complex (although other relations may also be displaced).  This
complicates the picture because the father-complex also constitutes the
superego, so in a sense the analyst is invested with the role of the superego
(through projection).  The implication is that the analyst thereby takes on a
kind of authority in the client's eyes which must be challenged and analysed
so that it can be resolved.
     The peculiar nature of the therapeutic situation, combined with the
anonymity of the analyst, is supposed to make a powerful transference more
likely to occur.  Freud compares transference to the power of suggestion
which a hypnotist has, the authority of great orators and dictators, and the
power of the beloved over the lover.  It is fundamentally "ambivalent" so it
may shift between powerful positive (love) and negative (hate) poles.  Freud
realised, to his credit, that the analyst also had a transference (called the
"counter-transference") which had to be dealt with.  It's perceived as both
good and bad as it helps the therapy proceed but is fundamentally a neurosis
itself which must eventually be resolved.
     Auto-suggestion, as far as I can see, doesn't have anything to do with
ESP (but others may disagree).  You can give yourself suggestions in many
different ways.  In a hypnotic or meditative trance is usually preferred,
although just repeating something to yourself mantra-fashion on the bus is a
form of auto-suggestion.  You can give yourself suggestions in a more
indirect way by using images or symbols instead of words.  The person usually
associated with early auto-suggestion is Emile Coue, his book is called "My
Method".  The main factors in verbal auto-suggestion are simply repetition,
rhythm, emphasis and phrasing.  Coue's famous phrase was: "Every day, in
every way, I am getting better and better."

All the best,

Don.

#16 From: DJRNews@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 9:21 pm
Subject: Surrealism & Automatic Sketches
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Dear all,

     I've attached a short article on 'automatic sketches' written in 1916 by
Austin Spare, in Word 95 format.  It's a bit of an oddity so I thought some
of you might find it intriguing to read.  I think it might be of value as an
artists expression of the phenomenology of hypnoidal states.
     Below is another curious, although more famous, passage which expresses
similar notions about artistic 'automatism', and the use of hypnotic
techniques in art and poetry,

SURREALISM, noun, masc., Pure psychic automatism by which it is intended to
express, either verbally or in writing, the true function of thought.
Thought dictated in the absence of all control exerted by reason, and outside
all aesthetic or moral preoccupations.
ENCYCL. Philos. Surrealism is based on the belief in the superior reality of
certain forms of association heretofore neglected, in the omnipotence of the
dream, and in the disinterested play of thought.  It leads to the permanent
destruction of all other psychic mechanisms and to its substitution for them
in the solution of the principle problems of life.
From André Breton’s Le Manifeste du Surréalisme (1924)

All the best,

Don.

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Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 9:21 pm
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In a message dated 29/8/99 7:26pm GMT Daylight Time, lashrink@...
writes:

<< Mainly because no one uses Sigmund Freud as a basis for much more than
history at this point in time. >>

Dear William,

     Well that's not true where I am in the UK, I've just spent the last two
years studying contemporary applications of Freudian psychoanalysis in an
inter-disciplinary research centre.  Also, as far as I'm aware contemporary
psychoanalytic theorists like post-Kleinians and Lacanians also see the
transference as a phenomenon of general psychology.  In any case, your
criticism of Freud doesn't lend any support your hypothesis about the
transference.
     I don't know if this is what you mean but you make it sound like the
experiment I described is just an urban myth, but I'm sure it was reported in
one of Eysenck's books.  The phenomenon which it purports to deomonstrate
might be a myth, though.  However, I'm still not convinced by your example
regarding suggestions counter to the subject's morality.  Again, your claim
is very general and so it would need a lot of evidence to support it, and
only one genuine counter-example to refute it.  Given the paucity of evidence
I think the case should be considered unproven.  (Sorry to appear sceptical
but it's important to me to establish the truth in these matters as they
relate to ethical practice.)
     How do you justify your dichotomy between stage hypnosis and real
hypnosis?  I spoke to some students after a stage hypnosis show in Scotland
and they seemed to think they had really been under hypnosis.  If you were
to accept that stage hypnosis was analogous to clinical and experimental uses
of hypnosis your claim about moral psychology would become very difficult to
sustain.

All the best,

Don.

#14 From: "Marcampbell" <gmcpath1@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 10:29 pm
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Don wrote.....
>    You say that transference is confined to therapy.  I have to disagree.
>Of course, some people will reject the concept of transference altogether.
>In any case, most psychoanalysts see "transference" as a natural phenomenon
>occuring with great frequency outside the therapeutic relation.  Freud's
>Group Psychology & the Analysis of the Ego, e.g., is all about group
>formation (and love) as a transference-phenomenon.  What reason would you
>have for accepting the clinical concept of transference and confining it to
>the therapeutic relation?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Don.


Thanks for your interesting post.
Please forgive me for asking a couple of dumb questions.  I have been
looking for the answers to these questions for a few years.  The two of you
seem to know what you are talking about....maybe, just maybe I will have my
questions answered here on this list.

What is transference?  How is it achieved?  How is auto-suggestion done?  Is
it a form of ESP?

Thanks
marlene

#13 From: "William Upton-Knittle" <lashrink@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 6:26 pm
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> Dear William,
>
>     Is that a typo?  Surely you mean that the subject won't do anything
> unless it is *consistent* with his moral conscience?

YES, YES,,,,I should have proofread more closely....but answering nearly 200
posts a day can lead this this kind of error....I HOPE the person I was
responding to understood what I meant.


Wasn't there a famous experiment where a private was hypnotised
> and instructed to attack his officer... he resisted... then he was given
the
> suggestion (positive hallucination) that the officer was really a "dirty
Jap"
> (if you'll excuse the expression)... he launched himself at him and had to
be
> pulled off by the observers.

No, this is an urban legend that works on the stage, but not for real. As I
mentioned during the major operation in which a fellow killed himself while
on LSD (Cointelpro) and brothels were set up in San Francisco and other
places by the CIA to film the results of drugs given to the johns (they also
let go biologic material at Dulles Airport and the Greyhound bus station in
D.C. and had monitors at the other end of the trip to see how much could be
carried by unknowing people - I hold my breath whenever I walk through
Dulles to this day).......anyway they thought they found the perfect
assassin, a secretary in the State Department, I believe, who would do almos
anything under suggestion. The final test was to have her go somewhere, pick
up a weapon, take it to a certain place and "kill" the spy......all went
well until she started to pull the trigger...then she woke up wondering
where she was.......even though she thought her country was in danger she
could not pull the trigger.


>     You say that transference is confined to therapy.

I was asked about therapy and I responded at that level.

  I have to disagree.
> Of course, some people will reject the concept of transference altogether.
> In any case, most psychoanalysts see "transference" as a natural
phenomenon
> occuring with great frequency outside the therapeutic relation.  Freud's
> Group Psychology & the Analysis of the Ego, e.g., is all about group
> formation (and love) as a transference-phenomenon.  What reason would you
> have for accepting the clinical concept of transference and confining it
to
> the therapeutic relation?

Mainly because no one uses Sigmund Freud as a basis for much more than
history at this point in time.

b

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Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 9:14 am
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In a message dated 29/8/99 3:18am GMT Daylight Time, lashrink@...
writes:

<< No, you have the "stage" idea of hypnosis. You will not do ANYTHING (even
little things) under hypnosis unless it is against your  moral code. If you
BELIEVE you should mimic the hypnotist then you will.....but there's nothing
at all forced and certainly no transference (that happens in therapy and what
you are describing is not therapy.). >>

Dear William,

     Is that a typo?  Surely you mean that the subject won't do anything
unless it is *consistent* with his moral conscience?  Of course, by
distorting perceptions you can convince people to do things against their
conscience.  Wasn't there a famous experiment where a private was hypnotised
and instructed to attack his officer... he resisted... then he was given the
suggestion (positive hallucination) that the officer was really a "dirty Jap"
(if you'll excuse the expression)... he launched himself at him and had to be
pulled off by the observers.
     You say that transference is confined to therapy.  I have to disagree.
Of course, some people will reject the concept of transference altogether.
In any case, most psychoanalysts see "transference" as a natural phenomenon
occuring with great frequency outside the therapeutic relation.  Freud's
Group Psychology & the Analysis of the Ego, e.g., is all about group
formation (and love) as a transference-phenomenon.  What reason would you
have for accepting the clinical concept of transference and confining it to
the therapeutic relation?

Cheers,

Don.

#11 From: "William Upton-Knittle" <lashrink@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 2:17 am
Subject: Re: auto suggestive response?
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No, you have the "stage" idea of hypnosis. You will not do ANYTHING (even
little things) under hypnosis unless it is against your  moral code. If you
BELIEVE you should mimic the hypnotist then you will.....but there's nothing
at all forced and certainly no transference (that happens in therapy and
what you are describing is not therapy.).

b

#10 From: "Marcampbell" <gmcpath1@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 2:12 am
Subject: Re: auto suggestive response?
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>From: "William Upton-Knittle" <lashrink@...>
>
>> When someone hypnosis' another person, does it trigger an auto suggestive
>> response which is linked to self disclosure?
>> marlene
>>
>Only if that person either is prone to public self-disclosure or "believes"
>that this will happen under hypnosis. The government spent millions in
>search of such techniques during the cold war...they finally gave up.
>
>b


Thanks for the above.
  Okay what about transference with a therapist of sorts.....aren't the
therapist and client connected in some way?  Like to sit exactly in the same
position...to cross your legs...to scatch your head etc.....  What exactly
is this?
marlene

#9 From: "William Upton-Knittle" <lashrink@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 1:35 am
Subject: Re: auto suggestive response?
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> When someone hypnosis' another person, does it trigger an auto suggestive
> response which is linked to self disclosure?
> marlene
>
Only if that person either is prone to public self-disclosure or "believes"
that this will happen under hypnosis. The government spent millions in
search of such techniques during the cold war...they finally gave up.

b

#8 From: "Marcampbell" <gmcpath1@...>
Date: Sun Aug 29, 1999 12:05 am
Subject: auto suggestive response?
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When someone hypnosis' another person, does it trigger an auto suggestive
response which is linked to self disclosure?
marlene

#7 From: Jacob Ghitis <ghitis@xxxx.xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Aug 28, 1999 2:53 pm
Subject: Unable to Self-hypnotize
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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999
Subject: Re: [Hypno] Unable to Self-hypnotize
From: DJRNews@...
  In a message dated 26/8/99 , ghitis@...  writes:
<< For years I attempted self-hypnosis. Only once did I feel entering an
altered state of consciousness, but just fell asleep. I believe that I am
not susceptible. >>
>
> Hi Jacob,
Some people find heterohypnosis (being hypnotised by another person)
> easier than self-hypnosis, although the effects can vary a lot with the
> techniques used and the personal qualities of the hypnotist.  Also, I
think
> there is a "getting the knack" of going into hypnosis.  If you manage to
be
> hetero-hypnotised that in itself can make self-hypnosis easier to
understand
> and achieve.  However, training in self-hypnosis can be given under
> heterohypnosis and that is probably the technique of choice in cases like
> this.  I'm told Bernheim persevered 700 times with one particular client
> before he eventually managed to get him in a deep trance, so don't give
up!......
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Thanks, Don,

I'll go back to trying, following your advice, and will report after a
prudential time.
I believe not to be hetero-hyp. By the way, I thought at the fifties that
some people might react negatively to an hypnosis attempt due to unconscious
homosexual fears, in which case he might be inducible by a person of the
opposite sex. Is there something in the literature?

Jacob
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#6 From: DJRNews@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Aug 28, 1999 10:03 am
Subject: Re: Unable to Self-hypnotize
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In a message dated 26/8/99 9:19pm GMT Daylight Time, ghitis@...
writes:

<< For years I attempted self-hypnosis. Only once did I feel entering an
altered state of consciousness, but just fell asleep. I believe that I am not
susceptible. >>

Hi Jacob,

     Some people find heterohypnosis (being hypnotised by another person)
easier than self-hypnosis, although the effects can vary a lot with the
techniques used and the personal qualities of the hypnotist.  Also, I think
there is a "getting the knack" of going into hypnosis.  If you manage to be
hetero-hypnotised that in itself can make self-hypnosis easier to understand
and achieve.  However, training in self-hypnosis can be given under
heterohypnosis and that is probably the technique of choice in cases like
this.  I'm told Bernheim persevered 700 times with one particular client
before he eventually managed to get him in a deep trance, so don't give up!
     Tell us specifically what techniques you have used, or have had most
success with, and the list members can try to suggest alternatives.
     Falling asleep in self-hypnosis is extremely common.  There are simple
practical measures which can help like sitting upright in a straight chair
rather than reclining.  Try recording a script on tape and playing it while
you are in trance, the stimulus of the sound can keep some people from
drifting off.  Lighting: try keeping the room well lit.  Set a time aside
each day for practice when you are least tired.  Give yourself suggestions to
the effect that you will stay awake.  Incorporate stimulating imagery in your
induction, like bright glowing lights...  a walk in a bright sunny pine
forest, smelling the refreshin scent of the pine needles, hearing them crunch
beneath your feet etc. etc.

Good luck,

Don.

#5 From: ghitis@xxxx.xxx.xx
Date: Thu Aug 26, 1999 8:19 pm
Subject: Unable to Self-hypnotize
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For years I attempted self-hypnosis. Only once did I feel entering an altered
state of consciousness, but just fell asleep. I believe that I am not
susceptible.

#4 From: DonJohnR@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Aug 26, 1999 11:40 am
Subject: Psychoanalysis & Hypnosis
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Dear all,

     For those of you who are interested, I've put a copy of a short essay on
"psychoanalysis and hypnosis" on-line at the Philosophy & Counselling
Homepage.

http://members.aol.com/DonJohnR/PhilCouns/PhilCouns.html
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DonJohnR/PhilCouns/PhilCouns.html">Click
here</A>

It focuses on some texts by Freud, Ferenczi and Jones which deal explicitly
with hypnosis and suggestion.  I'm afraid the references aren't complete,
though, because it was only written to be given as a talk.

All the best,

Don.

#3 From: DJRNews@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Aug 25, 1999 7:27 pm
Subject: Psychoanalysis & Hypnosis
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Dear all,

     For those of you who are interested, I've put a copy of a short essay on
"psychoanalysis and hypnosis" on-line at the Philosophy & Counselling
Homepage.

http://members.aol.com/DonJohnR/PhilCouns/PhilCouns.html
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DonJohnR/PhilCouns/PhilCouns.html">Click
here</A>

It focuses on some texts by Freud, Ferenczi and Jones which deal explicitly
with hypnosis and suggestion.  I'm afraid the references aren't complete,
though, because it was only written to be given as a talk.

All the best,

Don.

#2 From: DJRNews@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Aug 25, 1999 3:32 pm
Subject: Hypnosis Scripts
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Dear all,

     I'm considering typing up some self-hypnosis scripts etc. and placing
copies in the list's shared file area, where everyone can access them.  It
would then be possible to discuss them on the list.  Meanwhile, if anyone has
any scripts which they would like to share or discuss (their own or one's
found on the web) they can upload them at the web address below.  Mailings
regarding scripts and techniques are also welcome.

http://www.onelist.com/shareddir/0-Hypnosis/
<A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/shareddir/0-Hypnosis/">Click here</A>

Thanks,

Donald Robertson (List Moderator)

#1 From: 0-Hypnosis-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx
Date: Wed Aug 25, 1999 1:36 am
Subject: New Survey
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