In a message dated 1/10/2009 2:51:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
johnie@... writes:

There are other, more subtle ways, to get the amnesia. The beautiful
thing about the Elman is that it includes a built in test so that you
know you have it. The other methods require you to test for it separately.
I have always had a problem with this assumption. When I'm suggesting that
someone allow those numbers to grow dim and distant and fade away and the
client does this, all it means is that they are good at visualizing or
imagining
those numbers fading away. I can do this without trance.

Unless you go further and test for amnesia of the numbers, like asking them
to try to count, you can't prove anything. Where is the research that Elman
was pulling from and how did he know it's somnambulism? I'm always a little
doubtful when some hypnotists claim that you must get somnambulism to achieve
most changes, when research seems to refute that time and time again. Not only
the fact that it seems only a small percentage can achieve true somnambulism
(whatever the hell that is) but also that, for many, suggestion seems to work
just as well with out any formal trance.

I teach and use variations of the Elman induction because it's rapid and
achieves a nice state of trance. Is somnambulism built into it? I have no idea.
As soon as I hear anything said with conviction in this mind field we play in,
I get, well, a little curious...

What do you all think?

Happy New Year!
Melissa



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